y***n
发帖数: 6764 | 1 上次有人问出处，这里呢, 自己看吧，数据触目惊心。
http://www.examiner.com/article/concord-superfund-site-settleme
...
In particular, a Mass Department of Public Health analysis of cancer rates
from 2003-2007 in the town of Concord shows there were 28.5 percent more
women who developed kidney and renal pelvic cancer in Concord than was
expected. There also were 39.5 percent more women who developed breast
cancer, 96.1 percent more who developed multiple myeloma, 68.9 percent more
who developed ovarian cancer, 9.8 percent more who developed leukemia, and 8
percent more women who developed cancer overall then was expected for the
town and population.
The report also says that 20.6 percent more men developed prostate cancer,
54.5 percent more that developed leukemia, and 80.8 percent more men that
developed Melanoma of the Skin than was expected.
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y***n
发帖数: 6764 | 2 其实周围的town都不可避免得受到影响，其中以Acton为首，因为starmet就在Concord
和Acton交界的地方。
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【在 y***n 的大作中提到】
: 上次有人问出处，这里呢, 自己看吧，数据触目惊心。
: http://www.examiner.com/article/concord-superfund-site-settleme
: ...
: In particular, a Mass Department of Public Health analysis of cancer rates
: from 2003-2007 in the town of Concord shows there were 28.5 percent more
: women who developed kidney and renal pelvic cancer in Concord than was
: expected. There also were 39.5 percent more women who developed breast
: cancer, 96.1 percent more who developed multiple myeloma, 68.9 percent more
: who developed ovarian cancer, 9.8 percent more who developed leukemia, and 8
: percent more women who developed cancer overall then was expected for the
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t******g
发帖数: 10390 | 3 纽约长岛的乳腺癌的发病率高，
是否因为有长岛上的brookhaven national lab的加速器和同位素的研究？
但是各方面对这个投了不少钱做研究最后也没有一个确切的结论。
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【在 y***n 的大作中提到】
: 上次有人问出处，这里呢, 自己看吧，数据触目惊心。
: http://www.examiner.com/article/concord-superfund-site-settleme
: ...
: In particular, a Mass Department of Public Health analysis of cancer rates
: from 2003-2007 in the town of Concord shows there were 28.5 percent more
: women who developed kidney and renal pelvic cancer in Concord than was
: expected. There also were 39.5 percent more women who developed breast
: cancer, 96.1 percent more who developed multiple myeloma, 68.9 percent more
: who developed ovarian cancer, 9.8 percent more who developed leukemia, and 8
: percent more women who developed cancer overall then was expected for the
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b**l
发帖数: 33123 | 4 我上次就贴过这个；说明不了啥问题。
MA DPH does “not currently see a link between any cancers found in Concord
and exposure to contaminants from the Starmet site.”
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【在 y***n 的大作中提到】
: 上次有人问出处，这里呢, 自己看吧，数据触目惊心。
: http://www.examiner.com/article/concord-superfund-site-settleme
: ...
: In particular, a Mass Department of Public Health analysis of cancer rates
: from 2003-2007 in the town of Concord shows there were 28.5 percent more
: women who developed kidney and renal pelvic cancer in Concord than was
: expected. There also were 39.5 percent more women who developed breast
: cancer, 96.1 percent more who developed multiple myeloma, 68.9 percent more
: who developed ovarian cancer, 9.8 percent more who developed leukemia, and 8
: percent more women who developed cancer overall then was expected for the
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e**e
发帖数: 993 | 5 what's starmet?
Concord
【在 b**l 的大作中提到】
: 我上次就贴过这个；说明不了啥问题。
: MA DPH does “not currently see a link between any cancers found in Concord
: and exposure to contaminants from the Starmet site.”
:
: more
: 8
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b**l
发帖数: 33123 | 6 放狗，第一条
【在 e**e 的大作中提到】
: what's starmet?
:
: Concord
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B*****s
发帖数: 3463 | 7 如果长岛的男的乳腺癌高就肯定有问题了 lol
没觉得你们stonybrook 大波美女多
纽约长岛的乳腺癌的发病率高，是否因为有长岛上的brookhaven national lab的加速
器和同位素的研究？但是各方面对这个投了不少钱做研究最后也没有一个确切的结论。
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: 纽约长岛的乳腺癌的发病率高，
: 是否因为有长岛上的brookhaven national lab的加速器和同位素的研究？
: 但是各方面对这个投了不少钱做研究最后也没有一个确切的结论。
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: more
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W*****d
发帖数: 4196 | 8 it will take forever to establish such link, and it will never publish it
due to political reasons.
Concord
【在 b**l 的大作中提到】
: 我上次就贴过这个；说明不了啥问题。
: MA DPH does “not currently see a link between any cancers found in Concord
: and exposure to contaminants from the Starmet site.”
:
: more
: 8
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y***n
发帖数: 6764 | 9 agreed, the sad part is a lot people aren't even aware of the danger.
【在 W*****d 的大作中提到】
: it will take forever to establish such link, and it will never publish it
: due to political reasons.
:
: Concord
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b**l
发帖数: 33123 | 10 我只想说明这需要你的主观判断。
【在 W*****d 的大作中提到】
: it will take forever to establish such link, and it will never publish it
: due to political reasons.
:
: Concord
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g**u
发帖数: 53 | |
y***n
发帖数: 6764 | 12 billerica有个大的 - iron horse park，据说是剧毒
ashland有个也颇有名气的landfill
woburn有个水污染
其实整个东麻省都污染很严重。
【在 g**u 的大作中提到】
: 才知道这个。还有其他的需要注意的contaminated site么？
: 找了一下其他的superfund site， http://www.mass.gov/eea/agencies/massdep/cleanup/sites/npl-superfund-sites-in-massachusetts.html
: 其中还有哪些是很危害人的，需要避免的？
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e**e
发帖数: 993 | 13 还有哪些town?
【在 y***n 的大作中提到】
: billerica有个大的 - iron horse park，据说是剧毒
: ashland有个也颇有名气的landfill
: woburn有个水污染
: 其实整个东麻省都污染很严重。
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t******g
发帖数: 10390 | 14 你这个觉不觉得大波美女多需要通过实际的统计数据肯定吧。
【在 B*****s 的大作中提到】
: 如果长岛的男的乳腺癌高就肯定有问题了 lol
: 没觉得你们stonybrook 大波美女多
:
: 纽约长岛的乳腺癌的发病率高，是否因为有长岛上的brookhaven national lab的加速
: 器和同位素的研究？但是各方面对这个投了不少钱做研究最后也没有一个确切的结论。
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B*****s
发帖数: 3463 | 15 我样本空间小，没有统计意义
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: 你这个觉不觉得大波美女多需要通过实际的统计数据肯定吧。
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g***n
发帖数: 203 | 16 借问一下worcester附近的那些town呢？有没有什么类似的污染源啊？ 谢谢！
【在 y***n 的大作中提到】
: billerica有个大的 - iron horse park，据说是剧毒
: ashland有个也颇有名气的landfill
: woburn有个水污染
: 其实整个东麻省都污染很严重。
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y***n
发帖数: 6764 | 17 Worcester 附近有Westborough的一个pond,其余的town自己看下面的连接吧:
http://www.mass.gov/eea/agencies/massdep/cleanup/sites/npl-supe
【在 g***n 的大作中提到】
: 借问一下worcester附近的那些town呢？有没有什么类似的污染源啊？ 谢谢！
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 18 这个地方房价如何？
是否
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【在 y***n 的大作中提到】
: 上次有人问出处，这里呢, 自己看吧，数据触目惊心。
: http://www.examiner.com/article/concord-superfund-site-settleme
: ...
: In particular, a Mass Department of Public Health analysis of cancer rates
: from 2003-2007 in the town of Concord shows there were 28.5 percent more
: women who developed kidney and renal pelvic cancer in Concord than was
: expected. There also were 39.5 percent more women who developed breast
: cancer, 96.1 percent more who developed multiple myeloma, 68.9 percent more
: who developed ovarian cancer, 9.8 percent more who developed leukemia, and 8
: percent more women who developed cancer overall then was expected for the
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d*******n
发帖数: 1566 | 19 shit，有什么suspected原因么？？？
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【在 y***n 的大作中提到】
: 上次有人问出处，这里呢, 自己看吧，数据触目惊心。
: http://www.examiner.com/article/concord-superfund-site-settleme
: ...
: In particular, a Mass Department of Public Health analysis of cancer rates
: from 2003-2007 in the town of Concord shows there were 28.5 percent more
: women who developed kidney and renal pelvic cancer in Concord than was
: expected. There also were 39.5 percent more women who developed breast
: cancer, 96.1 percent more who developed multiple myeloma, 68.9 percent more
: who developed ovarian cancer, 9.8 percent more who developed leukemia, and 8
: percent more women who developed cancer overall then was expected for the
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r*******t
发帖数: 8550 | 20 为什么大家还要去东麻省钓鱼抓螃蟹？
【在 y***n 的大作中提到】
: billerica有个大的 - iron horse park，据说是剧毒
: ashland有个也颇有名气的landfill
: woburn有个水污染
: 其实整个东麻省都污染很严重。
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W*****d
发帖数: 4196 | 21 starmet 的核辐射最危险了，看到周围有不少民宅， brave souls
Concord
【在 y***n 的大作中提到】
: 其实周围的town都不可避免得受到影响，其中以Acton为首，因为starmet就在Concord
: 和Acton交界的地方。
:
: more
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s**********u
发帖数: 11996 | 22 Winchester 和 Lexington 房价那么贵，算不算东麻省的？再说波士顿的饮水是从麻西
那边的水库过来的吧？不是自己院子里的井水，不怕吧？
【在 r*******t 的大作中提到】
: 为什么大家还要去东麻省钓鱼抓螃蟹？
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s***e
发帖数: 7166 | 23 不是查尔斯河的水吗？
【在 s**********u 的大作中提到】
: Winchester 和 Lexington 房价那么贵，算不算东麻省的？再说波士顿的饮水是从麻西
: 那边的水库过来的吧？不是自己院子里的井水，不怕吧？
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y***n
发帖数: 6764 | 24 波士顿的饮水不知道，不过很多周边的镇都是用自己的井水的, 这还是用public water
的，很多地方还有用自家井水的 ...
【在 s**********u 的大作中提到】
: Winchester 和 Lexington 房价那么贵，算不算东麻省的？再说波士顿的饮水是从麻西
: 那边的水库过来的吧？不是自己院子里的井水，不怕吧？
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b**l
发帖数: 33123 | 25 Check your own town's annual report. Even the same town may have different
supplies and may change over time.
麻西
【在 s***e 的大作中提到】
: 不是查尔斯河的水吗？
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B*****s
发帖数: 3463 | 26 Boston 有一部分生活用水是 framingham 那边过来的，又很粗的引水管，当年一激动
差点哪里买房了，后来觉得里输水管太近也不好
波士顿的饮水不知道，不过很多周边的镇都是用自己的井水的, 这还是用public water
的，很多地方还有用自家井水的 ...
【在 y***n 的大作中提到】
: 波士顿的饮水不知道，不过很多周边的镇都是用自己的井水的, 这还是用public water
: 的，很多地方还有用自家井水的 ...
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u*********e
发帖数: 209 | 27 房价挺高哈，比ACTON高。
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 这个地方房价如何？
: 是否
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y*******w
发帖数: 5917 | 28 这种统计不行的，样本太小，要把癌症作为一个总体算，而不是分成这个癌症，那个癌
症。
要不然比如肺癌concord比别的地方少，难道是因为superfund site导致肺癌发病率下
降？
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【在 y***n 的大作中提到】
: 上次有人问出处，这里呢, 自己看吧，数据触目惊心。
: http://www.examiner.com/article/concord-superfund-site-settleme
: ...
: In particular, a Mass Department of Public Health analysis of cancer rates
: from 2003-2007 in the town of Concord shows there were 28.5 percent more
: women who developed kidney and renal pelvic cancer in Concord than was
: expected. There also were 39.5 percent more women who developed breast
: cancer, 96.1 percent more who developed multiple myeloma, 68.9 percent more
: who developed ovarian cancer, 9.8 percent more who developed leukemia, and 8
: percent more women who developed cancer overall then was expected for the
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y***n
发帖数: 6764 | 29 这个我也有相似的疑问，对于女性，报告里举了好几个特定的癌症Concord都比州里要
高double digit的percentage, 但是女性在所有癌症里只比州里的期望值高了8%,这势
必说明了其实有些没举出来的癌症Concord的女性发病率比州里的要低点。
然后有人又提醒我Concord居民的年龄普遍偏老，我查了一下city-data.com, 果然
Concord居民年龄的中位数是42.2，而州里的居民年龄的中位数是36.5，相差还是挺可
观的。
【在 y*******w 的大作中提到】
: 这种统计不行的，样本太小，要把癌症作为一个总体算，而不是分成这个癌症，那个癌
: 症。
: 要不然比如肺癌concord比别的地方少，难道是因为superfund site导致肺癌发病率下
: 降？
:
: more
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y*******w
发帖数: 5917 | 30 这其实是一个逻辑问题，举例说明只能用来帮助理解，不可以用作证明问题的。老美这
种报告断章取义，经常洋洋洒洒写上几百页，全部都是蒙外行人的废话。尤其是所谓的
consulting firm，先立论，然后选择性的找证据，而不是从证据里面归纳论点。
这里说的是癌症，假设癌症概率一样，那么他们就会找哮喘，贫血，幼儿发育，按照概
率分布的波动，只要找了足够多的事件来比较，总有几个是有区别的，然后就写到报告
里。这帮人和那些卖万能药的游医是一路货色。
【在 y***n 的大作中提到】
: 这个我也有相似的疑问，对于女性，报告里举了好几个特定的癌症Concord都比州里要
: 高double digit的percentage, 但是女性在所有癌症里只比州里的期望值高了8%,这势
: 必说明了其实有些没举出来的癌症Concord的女性发病率比州里的要低点。
: 然后有人又提醒我Concord居民的年龄普遍偏老，我查了一下city-data.com, 果然
: Concord居民年龄的中位数是42.2，而州里的居民年龄的中位数是36.5，相差还是挺可
: 观的。
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g***n
发帖数: 203 | 31 谢谢啊！
【在 y***n 的大作中提到】
: Worcester 附近有Westborough的一个pond,其余的town自己看下面的连接吧:
: http://www.mass.gov/eea/agencies/massdep/cleanup/sites/npl-supe
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