w****b
发帖数: 623 | 1 Holding A9xxx Jxxxx x 9x, you are 4th to speak and didn't fancy this could be
too tough a hand. Vul vs not, the bidding, however, went
LHO CHO RHO YOU
1D x 2C 2S(1)
P 4S 5C ?(2)
(1) do you agree with the 2S, or maybe 4D should show such shapely hand
without much strength?
(2) Now what? | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 2 2S is fine. I'd pass here and would pass partner's double eventually.
SA is good for defence.
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: Holding A9xxx Jxxxx x 9x, you are 4th to speak and didn't fancy this could be
: too tough a hand. Vul vs not, the bidding, however, went
: LHO CHO RHO YOU
: 1D x 2C 2S(1)
: P 4S 5C ?(2)
: (1) do you agree with the 2S, or maybe 4D should show such shapely hand
: without much strength?
: (2) Now what?
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 3 OK so you pass, and pd doubles 5C, now RHO fled to 5D. Now what?
be
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: 2S is fine. I'd pass here and would pass partner's double eventually.
: SA is good for defence.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 4 pass and pass partner's possible double.
opener rates to be short in C, I have so many losers
in H, so I need a perfect hand from partner to make 5S.
Giving partner such a good hand:
SKQJx HAKx Dxx CKxxx
or SKQJx HAQxx Dxx CKxx we still have very little play in 5S,
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: OK so you pass, and pd doubles 5C, now RHO fled to 5D. Now what?
:
: be
| l*********r
发帖数: 65 | 5 I don't feel comfortable about it, coz I have yet to show "weak with shape".
2S only says "I have something, not nothing". But partner doesn't know the
possible fit in hearts as well, so he may overlook his heart cards.
For example,
SKQJx HAKx Dxx CKxxx
Partner might overlook the defensive value in hearts.
SKQJx HAQxx Dxx CKxx
I don't think he should double 5C. Where is the defence? You may cash a
spade(doubtful), a heart, and the K of clubs is in front of their long suit.
Moreover, given those
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: pass and pass partner's possible double.
: opener rates to be short in C, I have so many losers
: in H, so I need a perfect hand from partner to make 5S.
: Giving partner such a good hand:
: SKQJx HAKx Dxx CKxxx
: or SKQJx HAQxx Dxx CKxx we still have very little play in 5S,
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 6 Pass probably would work better as pd might bid with SKJxx AKQxx x Axx, but on
the table I thought I knew what to do now pd chose to x after my forcing pass.
I doubled, partly out of worry of overbidding in previous bids. Dummy had - xx
T9xxx KQJTxx so only a trump lead (and pd ducks) would set 5C but 5D was
completely cold. 5S would go one off due to lack of structures in S, and 5H
played by me can go 2 off with S lead.
Postmortem I couldn't convince pd he underbidded his hand. I think after my
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: pass and pass partner's possible double.
: opener rates to be short in C, I have so many losers
: in H, so I need a perfect hand from partner to make 5S.
: Giving partner such a good hand:
: SKQJx HAKx Dxx CKxxx
: or SKQJx HAQxx Dxx CKxx we still have very little play in 5S,
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 7 Well I think bidding on your own is master minding too. Is Kxxx Axx Ax Axxx a
4S bid after the free 2S and consistent with the double of 5C? You chance of
making 5 anything is non-existent and you will likely go 500, if not toll
free.
【在 l*********r 的大作中提到】
: I don't feel comfortable about it, coz I have yet to show "weak with shape".
: 2S only says "I have something, not nothing". But partner doesn't know the
: possible fit in hearts as well, so he may overlook his heart cards.
: For example,
: SKQJx HAKx Dxx CKxxx
: Partner might overlook the defensive value in hearts.
: SKQJx HAQxx Dxx CKxx
: I don't think he should double 5C. Where is the defence? You may cash a
: spade(doubtful), a heart, and the K of clubs is in front of their long suit.
: Moreover, given those
| l*********r
发帖数: 65 | 8 No way. This is a max of the minimum-7-loser-takeout-double-hand. You are on
top of high card points in your range but nothing fancy. It is worth a 3S
invitation because of the quality of the high cards(ie, controls and Aces) but
definitely not a 4S bid. If you jump to 4S on that hand, then there are a lot
of hands your partner can't bid 2S anymore because you will stretch. He has to
wait for your 2nd double then bid 2S to "fit in" your style.
I'm not bidding 5S to make. I'm bidding 5S because I
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: Well I think bidding on your own is master minding too. Is Kxxx Axx Ax Axxx a
: 4S bid after the free 2S and consistent with the double of 5C? You chance of
: making 5 anything is non-existent and you will likely go 500, if not toll
: free.
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 9 OK, I guess I'm expecting a bit better than average 5pt for a free 2S after
oppo showed a minor suit each. (well my actual hand certainly qualifies).
Man, I'm a believer of insurance policy. In the same round (of swiss) on an
earlier board I bought 5Sx with KJxxxx x Q AKQxx for -200 (again vul vs. not),
and my pd was mad (but I didn't know). The auction was
1S-2D-2S-3D-4C-4H-x-5D-5H-p-5S-x-all pass. The four hands were
9xx KQT9xx xx JTx
T Axxx AJTxxxx x AQx xx Kxxx xxxx
【在 l*********r 的大作中提到】
: No way. This is a max of the minimum-7-loser-takeout-double-hand. You are on
: top of high card points in your range but nothing fancy. It is worth a 3S
: invitation because of the quality of the high cards(ie, controls and Aces) but
: definitely not a 4S bid. If you jump to 4S on that hand, then there are a lot
: of hands your partner can't bid 2S anymore because you will stretch. He has to
: wait for your 2nd double then bid 2S to "fit in" your style.
: I'm not bidding 5S to make. I'm bidding 5S because I
| l*********r
发帖数: 65 | 10 I would be more inclined to bid 5S had the DQ become SQ. Now the hand looks
more "pure", and you only need one Ace from partner, not a too high
requirement.Though here partner's double of 4H showed strong desire of
defending,5S as it turns out, isn't a too bad save(six-five, comes alive).
They shall can make 5D, can they?
not),
one.
to
Unfortunately, this is true for the whole bridge society. There are tons of
similar cases. People are more interested in getting masterpoints, instead of
learnin
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: OK, I guess I'm expecting a bit better than average 5pt for a free 2S after
: oppo showed a minor suit each. (well my actual hand certainly qualifies).
: Man, I'm a believer of insurance policy. In the same round (of swiss) on an
: earlier board I bought 5Sx with KJxxxx x Q AKQxx for -200 (again vul vs. not),
: and my pd was mad (but I didn't know). The auction was
: 1S-2D-2S-3D-4C-4H-x-5D-5H-p-5S-x-all pass. The four hands were
: 9xx KQT9xx xx JTx
: T Axxx AJTxxxx x AQx xx Kxxx xxxx
| | | S*c
发帖数: 29 | 11 I am a newbie. I have a question. Why everyone think 2s is better than 4d?
Coz I feel better in 4d than 2s, I want to hear some explaination.
be
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: Holding A9xxx Jxxxx x 9x, you are 4th to speak and didn't fancy this could be
: too tough a hand. Vul vs not, the bidding, however, went
: LHO CHO RHO YOU
: 1D x 2C 2S(1)
: P 4S 5C ?(2)
: (1) do you agree with the 2S, or maybe 4D should show such shapely hand
: without much strength?
: (2) Now what?
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 12 Well it's a non-problem trading DQ with SQ and I wouldn't post it here :-) On
the table I bid mainly because I couldn't be sure if pd's x implied 1st round
control or willingness of defense -- but somehow my table sense was his x was
based on length, which sounded like pointless, as you will not get to defend
4H, and the longer your H, the worse. So you might double with KQT9, but not
KQT9xx.
Secondly from LHO's 4H bid, I'm feeling he's preparing for better judgement on
5 level, why does he want
【在 l*********r 的大作中提到】
: I would be more inclined to bid 5S had the DQ become SQ. Now the hand looks
: more "pure", and you only need one Ace from partner, not a too high
: requirement.Though here partner's double of 4H showed strong desire of
: defending,5S as it turns out, isn't a too bad save(six-five, comes alive).
: They shall can make 5D, can they?
:
: not),
: one.
: to
: Unfortunately, this is true for the whole bridge society. There are tons of
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 13 The problem is it seems to lack default meaning of the 4D and it can be
disaster-prone due to this. On a good day, I'll just bid that and not bother
with another bid trusting pd will figure out. But yesterday is a bad day,
actually a very bad day. To see how our partnership trust is lost in the way,
put yourself in my pd's seat and test yourself on this hand:
Holding AKQTx AJx xx xx. Vul vs not, you are 4th to speak, LHO opened a 12-14
NT and 2 passes to you. You double for penalty, and all are
【在 S*c 的大作中提到】
: I am a newbie. I have a question. Why everyone think 2s is better than 4d?
: Coz I feel better in 4d than 2s, I want to hear some explaination.
:
: be
| S*c
发帖数: 29 | 14 (1) is a bad choice but it works sometime(maybe many times).
I choose (2), if I don't have 10 I will be happier about my choice.
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: The problem is it seems to lack default meaning of the 4D and it can be
: disaster-prone due to this. On a good day, I'll just bid that and not bother
: with another bid trusting pd will figure out. But yesterday is a bad day,
: actually a very bad day. To see how our partnership trust is lost in the way,
: put yourself in my pd's seat and test yourself on this hand:
: Holding AKQTx AJx xx xx. Vul vs not, you are 4th to speak, LHO opened a 12-14
: NT and 2 passes to you. You double for penalty, and all are
| a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 15 Yeah, definitely a bad day, one of your side is only dealt with 12 cards
while the 1NT hammered very likely to go down.
way,
12-14
I
could
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: The problem is it seems to lack default meaning of the 4D and it can be
: disaster-prone due to this. On a good day, I'll just bid that and not bother
: with another bid trusting pd will figure out. But yesterday is a bad day,
: actually a very bad day. To see how our partnership trust is lost in the way,
: put yourself in my pd's seat and test yourself on this hand:
: Holding AKQTx AJx xx xx. Vul vs not, you are 4th to speak, LHO opened a 12-14
: NT and 2 passes to you. You double for penalty, and all are
| a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 16 Hi, pal, you are not a novice. because a novice, I believe, would have won
the Ace and tried to cash her spades, which, again I believe, happened to
be right for this hand.
bother
way,
12-14
so I
4d?
【在 S*c 的大作中提到】
: (1) is a bad choice but it works sometime(maybe many times).
: I choose (2), if I don't have 10 I will be happier about my choice.
| a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 17 Yeah, I am with you. 4D bid 10 cards(or even 11 cards here),
while 2S only bid 5 cards. Don't you think it is the 2S bidding that
create this nasty problem in the first place?
Moreover, the situation here is: if you don't show your hearts, probably
nobody else will do. And I cannot imagine that someone will bid some hearts
later after the 2S.
But be careful, I have been always the minority here. :-)
【在 S*c 的大作中提到】
: I am a newbie. I have a question. Why everyone think 2s is better than 4d?
: Coz I feel better in 4d than 2s, I want to hear some explaination.
:
: be
| a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 18 (1) 4D.
(2) motive inspection, motive inspection! What was RHO trying to do?
obviously diamonds in reserve, so you better go on with 5S, and
tell him don't try to oversmart you next time.
be
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: Holding A9xxx Jxxxx x 9x, you are 4th to speak and didn't fancy this could be
: too tough a hand. Vul vs not, the bidding, however, went
: LHO CHO RHO YOU
: 1D x 2C 2S(1)
: P 4S 5C ?(2)
: (1) do you agree with the 2S, or maybe 4D should show such shapely hand
: without much strength?
: (2) Now what?
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 19 Hehe not another story of 12 vs 14 cards! My pd's hand was AKQTx AJx xxx xx.
bother
so
4d?
hand
【在 a*******s 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, definitely a bad day, one of your side is only dealt with 12 cards
: while the 1NT hammered very likely to go down.
:
: way,
: 12-14
: I
: could
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 20 I agree with you. I didn't bid not because I think it's inferior, it's because
I don't how it can backfire, but I felt somehow it will....
could
【在 a*******s 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, I am with you. 4D bid 10 cards(or even 11 cards here),
: while 2S only bid 5 cards. Don't you think it is the 2S bidding that
: create this nasty problem in the first place?
: Moreover, the situation here is: if you don't show your hearts, probably
: nobody else will do. And I cannot imagine that someone will bid some hearts
: later after the 2S.
: But be careful, I have been always the minority here. :-)
| f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 21 1stly, there is only 12 cards in ur hand, so there should be one more, ideally
in s suit:
2ndly, i think you should win with ha, opp certainly has 7 tricks, assuming pd
has one heart honour. And C suit breaks well for opp. If you dont tak ha, opp
may simply finesse c and clm 7 tricks.
thirdly, you should cash s honour. pd lead from k(u must assume it is k not
q)xxx of heart suit, his s is sth like xxx. If it is xx, he may consider lead
it, hoping to find ur suit, or lead c suit, which we assume
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: The problem is it seems to lack default meaning of the 4D and it can be
: disaster-prone due to this. On a good day, I'll just bid that and not bother
: with another bid trusting pd will figure out. But yesterday is a bad day,
: actually a very bad day. To see how our partnership trust is lost in the way,
: put yourself in my pd's seat and test yourself on this hand:
: Holding AKQTx AJx xx xx. Vul vs not, you are 4th to speak, LHO opened a 12-14
: NT and 2 passes to you. You double for penalty, and all are
| f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 22 i agree with lifemonster's analysis here. RHO apprently has d fit for his pd,
so 5c must be some direct-leading bid and fit-showing new suit. In this case,
you and ur pd must have dbl fit as well. So it is very likely 5c or 5d can
make, and you can mk 5s or 5h too. No matter what, bidding rather than dbl is
better. The problme with 5h here is that in case opp bid to 6d(who knows?
though not veryy likely), pd may lead h from kxxx, which may turn out be a
disaster for u【 在 wimptb (一失足成千古wimp) 的大作中 |
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