f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 1 play with pickup pd, you hold:
S: XX
H: KJ9X
D: T87XX
C: AX
W N E S
P
P 1D P 1H
P 2S P 3D
P 3N P 4C
P 4N P P
P
Pd has:
S: AKQX
H: X
D: AKJXX
C: KXX
Whose fault here? |
w****n
发帖数: 241 | 2 3N is not good.
usually strong South should start blackwood inquiry
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
: play with pickup pd, you hold:
: S: XX
: H: KJ9X
: D: T87XX
: C: AX
: W N E S
: P
: P 1D P 1H
: P 2S P 3D
: P 3N P 4C
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x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 3 agree, 3NT is not good.
But he is not that strong for 4NT either, I think.
I will choose 3S if it is me.
4NT is not good too.
he could bid 6D directly after your 4C, hehe
But I also think your fault is same as your PD.
Think you have at least 55 Ds, you should change to 5D after 4NT
then you probably have no fault. if you PD stoped, it is his fault.
【在 w****n 的大作中提到】
: 3N is not good.
: usually strong South should start blackwood inquiry
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m*e
发帖数: 155 | 4
good point---3D shows nothing but a suit preference
of the 5+d promised over the 4 spades promised in 1d-2s.
i.e. South's having one Ace doesn't necessarily lead to
a slam.
Moreover, North (of course not North with THIS hand) could
even pass 3D. 1D-2S doesn't promise a game. So if I were
North, based on such a 3D(passable) plus the 4C later(that
shows slam interest), supposing they are consistent, there
would be a 6 without ace asking, but no 7 (without ace asking either).
But isn't 3S a non-fo
【在 x***e 的大作中提到】
: agree, 3NT is not good.
: But he is not that strong for 4NT either, I think.
: I will choose 3S if it is me.
: 4NT is not good too.
: he could bid 6D directly after your 4C, hehe
: But I also think your fault is same as your PD.
: Think you have at least 55 Ds, you should change to 5D after 4NT
: then you probably have no fault. if you PD stoped, it is his fault.
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 5 with pick-up partner, the most practical bid over 2S would be 4D,
which shows your strength and good trumps.
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
: play with pickup pd, you hold:
: S: XX
: H: KJ9X
: D: T87XX
: C: AX
: W N E S
: P
: P 1D P 1H
: P 2S P 3D
: P 3N P 4C
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c****i
发帖数: 2 | 6 S could bid 3C instead of 3D, as game forcing, 3D is too weak as the other
post points out. After that, show D support and N should know 6D is cold.
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
: play with pickup pd, you hold:
: S: XX
: H: KJ9X
: D: T87XX
: C: AX
: W N E S
: P
: P 1D P 1H
: P 2S P 3D
: P 3N P 4C
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 7 i would say 3n is normal. after all, he didnt know my 3d is simply preference
or with good d spt like my hand. but i really dont like 4N. I would leap to
6d, or bid 4d/h/s. Blackwood is definitely one of the most abused convention.
【在 w****n 的大作中提到】
: 3N is not good.
: usually strong South should start blackwood inquiry
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 8 i think 3s is not good, pd might think u have 6511 or 6520. 【 在 xlxie (《※
★★★※§三少爷§※★★★※》) 的大作中提到: 】
Yes, i like 6d very much after 4c.
hehe, maybe. But in my pression there is a similar hand in mike lawrence's
workbook on 2/1 and i remembered he said this seq. is natural(not sure, need
to check)
perhaps my fault here is having not leapt to 6d, very practical bid. |
f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 9 i think 3d here shld show good hand, otherwise, i wld bid 2n, wont you?【 在
cozofu (但为君故) 的大作中提到: 】 |
f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 10 after 3c, pd surely will bid 3n, then you have to bid 4d, showing ur spt,
right? in this sequence you cannt cuebid 4c. so i think 3d is better. also
1m-1H-2OtherM-3m should show good hand, with dirty min 6hcp, i would bid 2n
after 2M.【 在 cumaui (飞) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 11 that's not a standard treatment, your partner may not think so. 4D is
way more clear. The more important thing with pick-up partners is not to
cover everything perfectly, but to make your partner comfortable and
make your own bids clear. over your 4D, even a beginner knows to bid
4NT to ask for aces or key cards.
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
: after 3c, pd surely will bid 3n, then you have to bid 4d, showing ur spt,
: right? in this sequence you cannt cuebid 4c. so i think 3d is better. also
: 1m-1H-2OtherM-3m should show good hand, with dirty min 6hcp, i would bid 2n
: after 2M.【 在 cumaui (飞) 的大作中提到: 】
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m*e
发帖数: 155 | 12 I don't remember where I read it from, but it seems that
there is no commonly known conventions(natural or not)
after reverse bid. So yes it would be perfectly fine to
define ONE(or two) bid dedicated to weak (such as 2N) hands,
for responder and leaving the rest to show extra, but that
would still be privately defined.
在
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: that's not a standard treatment, your partner may not think so. 4D is
: way more clear. The more important thing with pick-up partners is not to
: cover everything perfectly, but to make your partner comfortable and
: make your own bids clear. over your 4D, even a beginner knows to bid
: 4NT to ask for aces or key cards.
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 13 i think many use this 2N or 2M as weak bid. This is actually an extension of
Lebensohl.
I think any pd agreed to play lebensohl should play this extension as well.【
在 mhe (mhe) 的大作中提到: 】
【 |
m*e
发帖数: 155 | 14 I read from an expert that for about 70% of the slams, ace asking doesn't
contribute to the decisions to bid or not to. That becomes my belief too.
But in this particular case 4N wouldn't have hurt, were it not for the
previous 3N which created a big ambiguity (i.e. retreat to 4N) that usually
doesn't exist.
preference
convention.
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
: i would say 3n is normal. after all, he didnt know my 3d is simply preference
: or with good d spt like my hand. but i really dont like 4N. I would leap to
: 6d, or bid 4d/h/s. Blackwood is definitely one of the most abused convention.
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m*e
发帖数: 155 | 15
This "extension" is new to me. The core idea of Lebensohl is to allow you to
name your suit yet limit your hcp in two major ranges (without it there would
be only one bid range, or you would have to pass when weak). After reverse
bid,
there have been 3 suits named, such "leb" is obviously not for the 4th suit :)
【
you?
WWW-POST
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
: i think many use this 2N or 2M as weak bid. This is actually an extension of
: Lebensohl.
: I think any pd agreed to play lebensohl should play this extension as well.【
: 在 mhe (mhe) 的大作中提到: 】
: 【
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 16 many play 2NT as lebensohl. I have a better gadget than that though.
【在 m*e 的大作中提到】
:
: This "extension" is new to me. The core idea of Lebensohl is to allow you to
: name your suit yet limit your hcp in two major ranges (without it there would
: be only one bid range, or you would have to pass when weak). After reverse
: bid,
: there have been 3 suits named, such "leb" is obviously not for the 4th suit :)
: 【
: you?
: WWW-POST
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 17 marty bergen's good/bad 2N. recommend marty bergen's better bidding with
bergen, vol 1 and 2. fabulous!【 在 mhe (mhe) 的大作中提到: 】
of
would
well.
to |
m*e
发帖数: 155 | 18
are you sure good/bad 2N is this "lebensohl extension"?
i read about good/bad 2N from Larry Cohen's book once (he
speaks high of bergen), can't remember it now, but it seems
to be in competitive bidding, rather than the free bidding
as we were discussing?
extension
to
suit
is
not
WWW-POST
4D,
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
: marty bergen's good/bad 2N. recommend marty bergen's better bidding with
: bergen, vol 1 and 2. fabulous!【 在 mhe (mhe) 的大作中提到: 】
: of
: would
: well.
: to
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 19 yes, not same, but the rationale behind it is completely same.
you
reverse
and
bid
【在 m*e 的大作中提到】
:
: are you sure good/bad 2N is this "lebensohl extension"?
: i read about good/bad 2N from Larry Cohen's book once (he
: speaks high of bergen), can't remember it now, but it seems
: to be in competitive bidding, rather than the free bidding
: as we were discussing?
: extension
: to
: suit
: is
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