z****k 发帖数: 1057 | 1 以前学牌的时候是听人这么说的
双有局,坐南
/
KJ10xxx
x
Q9xxxx
P 1S 2S P
2N P 3C 3N
P P ?
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b***y 发帖数: 2804 | 2 先要搞清楚几点:第一,同伴2NT是什么意思;第二,对手水平怎样。先PASS再叫3NT是
比较有趣的想法,专家牌手很少会这样做。 |
b***y 发帖数: 2804 | 3 正好贴主再次光临,提一提旧线。后来到底发生什么事了?整手牌是怎样的? |
o*******n 发帖数: 6500 | 4 哈哈,帖子都沉了这么久了
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 正好贴主再次光临,提一提旧线。后来到底发生什么事了?整手牌是怎样的?
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b***y 发帖数: 2804 | 5 是啊,我好奇心比较重。有人问了问题但没有交待,我总在想,发生什么事了?:-))
【在 o*******n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 哈哈,帖子都沉了这么久了
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f******e 发帖数: 465 | 6 我看不出要叫4H的理由。牌不是已经基本描述清楚了吗?
bucky说左手先pass再叫3NT奇怪,为什么呢?我觉得他/她如果持成局牌力,但不知道
opps到底是哪门低花,好像pass很正常啊。opps几乎不可能打2s? 另外也留着将来惩罚
oppsH定约的可能性。这个叫牌过程说明opps各持两套,所以这个时候做判断叫3NT信息
非常清楚。比如如果左手只有H和一门较长低花,那么他几乎可以断定同伴持剩下一门
低花或有止。不知我的想法对不对。
【在 z****k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 以前学牌的时候是听人这么说的 : 双有局,坐南 : / : KJ10xxx : x : Q9xxxx : P 1S 2S P : 2N P 3C 3N : P P ? : 这里要叫4H么?
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b***y 发帖数: 2804 | 7 一般来说,早期明确牌况会比较好,对同伴来说也相对容易判断。否则下次轮到你叫的
时候可能已经在高阶了。
【在 f******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我看不出要叫4H的理由。牌不是已经基本描述清楚了吗? : bucky说左手先pass再叫3NT奇怪,为什么呢?我觉得他/她如果持成局牌力,但不知道 : opps到底是哪门低花,好像pass很正常啊。opps几乎不可能打2s? 另外也留着将来惩罚 : oppsH定约的可能性。这个叫牌过程说明opps各持两套,所以这个时候做判断叫3NT信息 : 非常清楚。比如如果左手只有H和一门较长低花,那么他几乎可以断定同伴持剩下一门 : 低花或有止。不知我的想法对不对。
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z****k 发帖数: 1057 | 8 haha 你记性真好啊
我肯定是叫了4h,但结果早就都忘了 估计是亏了被骂了才上来发帖的
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 正好贴主再次光临,提一提旧线。后来到底发生什么事了?整手牌是怎样的?
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o*******n 发帖数: 6500 | 9 有实力惩罚红心,又没有黑心支持,
我认为还是该加个倍,这样pd对自己手上的牌有个数
谁知道再回到自己手上,好不好叫呢
比如说在2N后,对方不是3C而是4C
你怎么办?
【在 f******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我看不出要叫4H的理由。牌不是已经基本描述清楚了吗? : bucky说左手先pass再叫3NT奇怪,为什么呢?我觉得他/她如果持成局牌力,但不知道 : opps到底是哪门低花,好像pass很正常啊。opps几乎不可能打2s? 另外也留着将来惩罚 : oppsH定约的可能性。这个叫牌过程说明opps各持两套,所以这个时候做判断叫3NT信息 : 非常清楚。比如如果左手只有H和一门较长低花,那么他几乎可以断定同伴持剩下一门 : 低花或有止。不知我的想法对不对。
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b***y 发帖数: 2804 | 10 还有一点,要叫也是叫4C,不是4H。同伴的2NT已经表明红心没有配合了。 |
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f******e 发帖数: 465 | 11 就这副牌来说,四家牌型都比较清楚吧?所以即使opps叫了4C,该怎么叫还是怎么叫?
如果敌方要叫4c,即使在2S后加倍也挡不住(既然同伴在这里并没有叫牌)?
【在 o*******n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 有实力惩罚红心,又没有黑心支持, : 我认为还是该加个倍,这样pd对自己手上的牌有个数 : 谁知道再回到自己手上,好不好叫呢 : 比如说在2N后,对方不是3C而是4C : 你怎么办?
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f******e 发帖数: 465 | 12 同伴的2NT也表示C不超过两张(还有很大可能是一张或更短),而且D长(至少4张)。
他叫2NT就是因为他/她“很清楚”你的低花是C(或者说他明显C短,D长,判断你不太
可能还有D套)。所以3NT后几乎没有再叫牌的理由,不管是H还是C。
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 还有一点,要叫也是叫4C,不是4H。同伴的2NT已经表明红心没有配合了。
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b***y 发帖数: 2804 | 13 没看到叫3NT手持的牌,没法具体评论。只是泛泛而言,有实力在早期表示为好。如果
持非均型offensive的牌,肯定应该尽早出套,否则容易被阻击。而如果是均型适合防
守的牌呢,先加倍可以听听同伴的意见,也许惩罚对手要好过自己做3NT,毕竟对方不
是每次都持有6-6牌型。先PASS后叫3NT,等于是完全靠自己做决定,有时候虽然具
体到某副牌,先叫后叫对结果没啥影响,但长远来说不是一个很好的策略。而且先PASS
再后期加倍是什么意思呢?技术还是惩罚?
如果是比较成熟的partnership,还可以打早期加倍建立逼叫进程(forcing pass),对
于后续的叫品更容易掌控。当然,很多时候不用那么复杂也能打桥牌,但是在有些情况
下这些区别就显示出来了。
【在 f******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 就这副牌来说,四家牌型都比较清楚吧?所以即使opps叫了4C,该怎么叫还是怎么叫? : 如果敌方要叫4c,即使在2S后加倍也挡不住(既然同伴在这里并没有叫牌)?
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o*******n 发帖数: 6500 | 14 深以为然
PASS
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 没看到叫3NT手持的牌,没法具体评论。只是泛泛而言,有实力在早期表示为好。如果 : 持非均型offensive的牌,肯定应该尽早出套,否则容易被阻击。而如果是均型适合防 : 守的牌呢,先加倍可以听听同伴的意见,也许惩罚对手要好过自己做3NT,毕竟对方不 : 是每次都持有6-6牌型。先PASS后叫3NT,等于是完全靠自己做决定,有时候虽然具 : 体到某副牌,先叫后叫对结果没啥影响,但长远来说不是一个很好的策略。而且先PASS : 再后期加倍是什么意思呢?技术还是惩罚? : 如果是比较成熟的partnership,还可以打早期加倍建立逼叫进程(forcing pass),对 : 于后续的叫品更容易掌控。当然,很多时候不用那么复杂也能打桥牌,但是在有些情况 : 下这些区别就显示出来了。
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f******e 发帖数: 465 | 15 I kind of agree with you now that showing the strength you had earlier
should not hurt. On the other hand, after pd opened 1s, RHO bid 2s, suppose
you don' t have S support (otherwise the bidding would be easier, I guess),
if you have a minor suit, do you want to bid now? I guess not b/c you don't
even know whether that's your RHO's suit? Also, after pass then X it has to
be for penalty (you don't want to X for take-out when there is only 1 unbid
suit, right?)
PASS
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 没看到叫3NT手持的牌,没法具体评论。只是泛泛而言,有实力在早期表示为好。如果 : 持非均型offensive的牌,肯定应该尽早出套,否则容易被阻击。而如果是均型适合防 : 守的牌呢,先加倍可以听听同伴的意见,也许惩罚对手要好过自己做3NT,毕竟对方不 : 是每次都持有6-6牌型。先PASS后叫3NT,等于是完全靠自己做决定,有时候虽然具 : 体到某副牌,先叫后叫对结果没啥影响,但长远来说不是一个很好的策略。而且先PASS : 再后期加倍是什么意思呢?技术还是惩罚? : 如果是比较成熟的partnership,还可以打早期加倍建立逼叫进程(forcing pass),对 : 于后续的叫品更容易掌控。当然,很多时候不用那么复杂也能打桥牌,但是在有些情况 : 下这些区别就显示出来了。
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b***y 发帖数: 2804 | 16 In general, it is more important to bid out your own hand. When you have a
good minor suit with length (not 5-card suit headed by 10), it will be much
more likely that RHO has the other minor suit. Bridge is a game of frequency
, in such a case you will want to concentrate on showing your hand rather
than catching RHO competing with a weak suit and penalizing him. You might
occasionally miss a juicy penalty, but you will reach a decent contract most
of the time.
As to pass then double, surely take-out has merit. Say you have 2-4-5-2
shape but not enough value to double earlier (say 8-9 HCP), now if you pass,
LHO bids 3C, Pass, Pass back to you, you can double to show some length in
diamond and tolerance in spade as well, it has to be better than a
committing 3D bid.
【在 f******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I kind of agree with you now that showing the strength you had earlier : should not hurt. On the other hand, after pd opened 1s, RHO bid 2s, suppose : you don' t have S support (otherwise the bidding would be easier, I guess), : if you have a minor suit, do you want to bid now? I guess not b/c you don't : even know whether that's your RHO's suit? Also, after pass then X it has to : be for penalty (you don't want to X for take-out when there is only 1 unbid : suit, right?) : : PASS
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o*******n 发帖数: 6500 | 17 如果手上的低花套好,实力够,我还是倾向于叫自己的套
因为从概率上来说,对手多半是另外一门低花套
呵呵
suppose
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t
to
unbid
【在 f******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I kind of agree with you now that showing the strength you had earlier : should not hurt. On the other hand, after pd opened 1s, RHO bid 2s, suppose : you don' t have S support (otherwise the bidding would be easier, I guess), : if you have a minor suit, do you want to bid now? I guess not b/c you don't : even know whether that's your RHO's suit? Also, after pass then X it has to : be for penalty (you don't want to X for take-out when there is only 1 unbid : suit, right?) : : PASS
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o*******n 发帖数: 6500 | 18 totally agree
much
frequency
most
pass,
in
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : In general, it is more important to bid out your own hand. When you have a : good minor suit with length (not 5-card suit headed by 10), it will be much : more likely that RHO has the other minor suit. Bridge is a game of frequency : , in such a case you will want to concentrate on showing your hand rather : than catching RHO competing with a weak suit and penalizing him. You might : occasionally miss a juicy penalty, but you will reach a decent contract most : of the time. : As to pass then double, surely take-out has merit. Say you have 2-4-5-2 : shape but not enough value to double earlier (say 8-9 HCP), now if you pass, : LHO bids 3C, Pass, Pass back to you, you can double to show some length in
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z****k 发帖数: 1057 | 19 http://mitbbs.com/article1/Bridge/30787155_3_0.html
学牌的过程中时常听到这类貌似矛盾的指导,
而且这种指导往往是同一个人在前后两副牌给的,
所以很多年来一直没有学会如何掌握这种平衡。
看来是资质不行。。。
much
frequency
most
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : In general, it is more important to bid out your own hand. When you have a : good minor suit with length (not 5-card suit headed by 10), it will be much : more likely that RHO has the other minor suit. Bridge is a game of frequency : , in such a case you will want to concentrate on showing your hand rather : than catching RHO competing with a weak suit and penalizing him. You might : occasionally miss a juicy penalty, but you will reach a decent contract most : of the time. : As to pass then double, surely take-out has merit. Say you have 2-4-5-2 : shape but not enough value to double earlier (say 8-9 HCP), now if you pass, : LHO bids 3C, Pass, Pass back to you, you can double to show some length in
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b***y 发帖数: 2804 | 20 呵呵,我自己也很矛盾地未能发觉哪里矛盾,资质更差。。。 |
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o*******n 发帖数: 6500 | 21 这个不矛盾吧
罚放3H加倍是因为已经肯定有好的对方套
而bucky说的叫自己的牌是说并不确定对方的套的情况下
【在 z****k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : http://mitbbs.com/article1/Bridge/30787155_3_0.html : 学牌的过程中时常听到这类貌似矛盾的指导, : 而且这种指导往往是同一个人在前后两副牌给的, : 所以很多年来一直没有学会如何掌握这种平衡。 : 看来是资质不行。。。 : : much : frequency : most
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z****k 发帖数: 1057 | 22 "catching RHO competing with a weak suit and penalizing him"
是指不确定对方套的意思?
看来不但桥牌资质差,英文那么多年也没长进啊 :(
【在 o*******n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个不矛盾吧 : 罚放3H加倍是因为已经肯定有好的对方套 : 而bucky说的叫自己的牌是说并不确定对方的套的情况下
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o*******n 发帖数: 6500 | 23 我英文不好是真的,我的理解是
2S叫品能确定的只有红心套,我有一个好低花的话
我觉得对方有另一个低花的可能性更大,所以我倾向于叫自己的套
而不是寄希望于对方和我是同一个低花套而惩罚对方
也许对方可能真是和我同一个低花套,那么我确实亏了
但从概率上来说,建设性的叫清楚自己的牌可能更好
【在 z****k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : "catching RHO competing with a weak suit and penalizing him" : 是指不确定对方套的意思? : 看来不但桥牌资质差,英文那么多年也没长进啊 :(
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b***y 发帖数: 2804 | 24 老龙说得很清楚。不过老龙的英文确实不行,因为只有差到我这个水平上才能理解我在
说什么。
"in such a case you will want to concentrate on showing your hand rather
than catching RHO competing with a weak suit and penalizing him. You might
occasionally miss a juicy penalty, but you will reach a decent contract most
of the time."
我也许应该写成 ...rather than TRYING to catch the unlikely case that RHO
competed with a weak suit and asked for penalty...
如果已知对方的低花套就在我的好套上,当然是惩罚。这点资质我还是有的。。。 |
o*******n 发帖数: 6500 | 25 我讨论牌基本不用英文就是因为我英文不好
呵呵
most
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 老龙说得很清楚。不过老龙的英文确实不行,因为只有差到我这个水平上才能理解我在 : 说什么。 : "in such a case you will want to concentrate on showing your hand rather : than catching RHO competing with a weak suit and penalizing him. You might : occasionally miss a juicy penalty, but you will reach a decent contract most : of the time." : 我也许应该写成 ...rather than TRYING to catch the unlikely case that RHO : competed with a weak suit and asked for penalty... : 如果已知对方的低花套就在我的好套上,当然是惩罚。这点资质我还是有的。。。
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z****k 发帖数: 1057 | 26 终于理解了
谢谢指点。。。
most
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 老龙说得很清楚。不过老龙的英文确实不行,因为只有差到我这个水平上才能理解我在 : 说什么。 : "in such a case you will want to concentrate on showing your hand rather : than catching RHO competing with a weak suit and penalizing him. You might : occasionally miss a juicy penalty, but you will reach a decent contract most : of the time." : 我也许应该写成 ...rather than TRYING to catch the unlikely case that RHO : competed with a weak suit and asked for penalty... : 如果已知对方的低花套就在我的好套上,当然是惩罚。这点资质我还是有的。。。
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z****k 发帖数: 1057 | 27 以前学牌的时候是听人这么说的
双有局,坐南
/
KJ10xxx
x
Q9xxxx
P 1S 2S P
2N P 3C 3N
P P ?
这里要叫4H么? |
b***y 发帖数: 2804 | 28 先要搞清楚几点:第一,同伴2NT是什么意思;第二,对手水平怎样。先PASS再叫3NT是
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f******e 发帖数: 465 | 29 这副牌如果西加倍3C应该是惩罚。北已“基本显示”了S+D两套(除非他有长C,不相信
pd还会有C套,但感觉这个可能性很小;当然西也可以根据自己手中的牌判断),所以
用3C加倍表示S tolerance 和D支持我觉得以大概率不合理。
我在QQ群上请教了康蒙老师。他说这个时候西如果加倍3C肯定是惩罚。
much
frequency
most
pass,
in
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : In general, it is more important to bid out your own hand. When you have a : good minor suit with length (not 5-card suit headed by 10), it will be much : more likely that RHO has the other minor suit. Bridge is a game of frequency : , in such a case you will want to concentrate on showing your hand rather : than catching RHO competing with a weak suit and penalizing him. You might : occasionally miss a juicy penalty, but you will reach a decent contract most : of the time. : As to pass then double, surely take-out has merit. Say you have 2-4-5-2 : shape but not enough value to double earlier (say 8-9 HCP), now if you pass, : LHO bids 3C, Pass, Pass back to you, you can double to show some length in
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b***y 发帖数: 2804 | 30 我也认为西的加倍应该是惩罚。我只是说,把加倍作为技术性并非完全不可打,所以桌
上如果没有讨论过的话可能会发生误解。同时我还认为西如果先PASS了2S后来又惩罚3C
,不建立逼叫进程,牌力大约介于6-10点。如果是更好的牌,应该在早期有所行动
,告诉同伴这手牌属于我方。
【在 f******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这副牌如果西加倍3C应该是惩罚。北已“基本显示”了S+D两套(除非他有长C,不相信 : pd还会有C套,但感觉这个可能性很小;当然西也可以根据自己手中的牌判断),所以 : 用3C加倍表示S tolerance 和D支持我觉得以大概率不合理。 : 我在QQ群上请教了康蒙老师。他说这个时候西如果加倍3C肯定是惩罚。 : : much : frequency : most : pass, : in
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p***r 发帖数: 20570 | 31 In your first round, you should bid 3S to show 6-6 two suiter. I don't buy
the western cue nonsense. In my 20 years' bridge experience, I never hold a
hand that justifies a 3S cuebid and I have no other way to show this hand.
【在 z****k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 以前学牌的时候是听人这么说的 : 双有局,坐南 : / : KJ10xxx : x : Q9xxxx : P 1S 2S P : 2N P 3C 3N : P P ? : 这里要叫4H么?
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b***y 发帖数: 2804 | 32 In your 20 years'bridge experience, how many times did you hold 6-6 two-
suiter? :-)
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : In your first round, you should bid 3S to show 6-6 two suiter. I don't buy : the western cue nonsense. In my 20 years' bridge experience, I never hold a : hand that justifies a 3S cuebid and I have no other way to show this hand.
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p***r 发帖数: 20570 | 33 At least twenty times.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : In your 20 years'bridge experience, how many times did you hold 6-6 two- : suiter? :-)
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f******e 发帖数: 465 | 34 对了,我也同时问了康老师一个相关的进程,就是你说的,pass 2s, LHO bids 3c,
pass, pass back to you, now you double. He said this x was also for penalty
and pd (i.e., the 1S opener) should pass even holding 0 club. But he did add
that it may still depend on partnership agreement. I interpret his last
comment as "he personally thought that x should be for penalty, although
some may use a different agreement."
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【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : In general, it is more important to bid out your own hand. When you have a : good minor suit with length (not 5-card suit headed by 10), it will be much : more likely that RHO has the other minor suit. Bridge is a game of frequency : , in such a case you will want to concentrate on showing your hand rather : than catching RHO competing with a weak suit and penalizing him. You might : occasionally miss a juicy penalty, but you will reach a decent contract most : of the time. : As to pass then double, surely take-out has merit. Say you have 2-4-5-2 : shape but not enough value to double earlier (say 8-9 HCP), now if you pass, : LHO bids 3C, Pass, Pass back to you, you can double to show some length in
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p***r 发帖数: 20570 | 35 That's right. My general bidding philosophy for IMPs is that if you are
likely to penalize opps for a two tricks set or more and you have no big
problems to show your cards with other bids, you should usually play the
double for penalty in that case. Of course, some never play penalty double
at low levels, which IMO is a losing strategy in IMPs.
penalty
add
【在 f******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 对了,我也同时问了康老师一个相关的进程,就是你说的,pass 2s, LHO bids 3c, : pass, pass back to you, now you double. He said this x was also for penalty : and pd (i.e., the 1S opener) should pass even holding 0 club. But he did add : that it may still depend on partnership agreement. I interpret his last : comment as "he personally thought that x should be for penalty, although : some may use a different agreement." : : much : frequency : most
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b***y 发帖数: 2804 | 36 你这个进程和前面说的LHO叫2NT,然后你加倍对方3C,是完全一样的。有些人打2NT是
“你的第二套是啥”,有些人打3C是 pass or correct,总之在对方第二套为梅花的情
况下,这个加倍都应该是惩罚。我只是想指出,“应该是”不同于“不可能有别的解释
和约定”,如果没有讨论过,很难说同伴是否会意见一致。而更重要的是,你究竟表示
何种牌力,如果对方逃叫的话同伴需要什么样的牌可以惩罚,后续的叫牌中对方可不可
能打一个未加倍的定约,等等。如果先期的PASS已经限制了你的牌,那么后续就会容易
得多。
【在 f******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 对了,我也同时问了康老师一个相关的进程,就是你说的,pass 2s, LHO bids 3c, : pass, pass back to you, now you double. He said this x was also for penalty : and pd (i.e., the 1S opener) should pass even holding 0 club. But he did add : that it may still depend on partnership agreement. I interpret his last : comment as "he personally thought that x should be for penalty, although : some may use a different agreement." : : much : frequency : most
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f******e 发帖数: 465 | 37 这点我同意,就是很多有实力的牌是该在2S的时候先加倍显示实力的,最明显的是一些
均型的有实力的牌。
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你这个进程和前面说的LHO叫2NT,然后你加倍对方3C,是完全一样的。有些人打2NT是 : “你的第二套是啥”,有些人打3C是 pass or correct,总之在对方第二套为梅花的情 : 况下,这个加倍都应该是惩罚。我只是想指出,“应该是”不同于“不可能有别的解释 : 和约定”,如果没有讨论过,很难说同伴是否会意见一致。而更重要的是,你究竟表示 : 何种牌力,如果对方逃叫的话同伴需要什么样的牌可以惩罚,后续的叫牌中对方可不可 : 能打一个未加倍的定约,等等。如果先期的PASS已经限制了你的牌,那么后续就会容易 : 得多。
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w****b 发帖数: 623 | 38 strategy说到底是hand evaluation问题。
人们建议6-6-1-0抢打是因为这种牌一般ODR比较高。但这手牌,到现在为止已经显示非
常垃圾。你的两套都不好,没有控制,在同伴短红心时也未必能拿到将吃。敌人如果不
是在玩我们,那么绝对不会有9张黑心配合,所以我们现在叫的话,有可能:
1。错误的牺牲,被罚上西天。
2。把敌人拱入正确的S或D定约。
3。把敌人拱上满贯发现打不宕。
4。泄漏牌型,帮助敌人找到不可能的深飞。
【在 z****k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 以前学牌的时候是听人这么说的 : 双有局,坐南 : / : KJ10xxx : x : Q9xxxx : P 1S 2S P : 2N P 3C 3N : P P ? : 这里要叫4H么?
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