b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 1 这次出5道叫牌题。无所谓对错，关键是思路。每副牌里你都是南家。
1）南北有局，ＩＭＰ
64 / AKJ5 / 84 / AK854
上家发牌并开叫：
Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
３Ｄ ？
2）双无，ＩＭＰ
Q8652 / K94 / 86 / A52
同伴开叫之后：
Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
１Ｃ ３Ｄ ？
3）东西有局，ＩＭＰ
A4 / J85 / KJT954 / Q5
叫牌过程：
Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
１Ｃ １Ｓ ２Ｄ＊ ３Ｓ
Ｐ Ｐ ？
你跟同伴对２Ｄ的理解：逼叫到３Ｄ，不逼局。
4）南北有局，ＩＭＰ
K873 / T76 / AT3 / AKJ
叫牌过程：
Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ Ｅ
１ＮＴ ２Ｄ ３Ｃ Ｘ
？
2D = 有一门高花套
3C = 方块套，邀叫或更好的牌力
X = 请同伴叫出他的高花套
5）双有，ＩＭＰ
-- / AKQT62 / AQ754 / 93
叫牌过程：
Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
Ｐ １Ｈ ３Ｓ ４Ｃ
４Ｈ ？ | m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 2 第一题就让我很烦恼。 干脆不做了。
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 这次出5道叫牌题。无所谓对错，关键是思路。每副牌里你都是南家。
: 1）南北有局，ＩＭＰ
: 64 / AKJ5 / 84 / AK854
: 上家发牌并开叫：
: Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
: ３Ｄ ？
: 2）双无，ＩＭＰ
: Q8652 / K94 / 86 / A52
: 同伴开叫之后：
: Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 3 做得好不好是方法问题，做与不做是态度问题。
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: 第一题就让我很烦恼。 干脆不做了。
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 4 我长考。
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 做得好不好是方法问题，做与不做是态度问题。
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 5 长考之下，必出。。。
而且临场可能也不允许长考太久，有时会限制同伴的选择。还是凭着感觉走吧。
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: 我长考。
| i****e
发帖数: 642 | 6 1）南北有局，ＩＭＰ
64 / AKJ5 / 84 / AK854
上家发牌并开叫：
Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
３Ｄ ？
Don't want to pass, but maybe it is the best to pass.
2）双无，ＩＭＰ
Q8652 / K94 / 86 / A52
同伴开叫之后：
Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
１Ｃ ３Ｄ ？
Pass again?
3）东西有局，ＩＭＰ
A4 / J85 / KJT954 / Q5
叫牌过程：
Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
１Ｃ １Ｓ ２Ｄ＊ ３Ｓ
Ｐ Ｐ ？
你跟同伴对２Ｄ的理解：逼叫到３Ｄ，不逼局。
Double. If they make it, I will double again next time to get it back. If pd
pulls to 3NT, I will be happy.
4）南北有局，ＩＭＰ
K873 / T76 / AT3 / AKJ
叫牌过程：
Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ Ｅ
１ＮＴ ２Ｄ ３Ｃ Ｘ
？
2D = 有一门高花套
3C = 方块套，邀叫或更好的牌力
X = 请同伴叫出他的高花套
Pass again. I don't need to make the final decision here. Also it seems
better for pd to declare D, so I don't want to bid 3D. Redouble is another
option, but I don't have max for my 1NT.
5）双有，ＩＭＰ
-- / AKQT62 / AQ754 / 93
叫牌过程：
Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
Ｐ １Ｈ ３Ｓ ４Ｃ
４Ｈ ？
Choices to me are pass, double, 4S, 6D, 6H. It seems 4S is the best. LHO bid
our H, I bid their S :) | v**********e
发帖数: 1295 | 7 (1) 3H
(2) X
(3) 4D (it should not be a forcing-pass sequence, right?)
(4) 3NT
(5) 4S
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 这次出5道叫牌题。无所谓对错，关键是思路。每副牌里你都是南家。
: 1）南北有局，ＩＭＰ
: 64 / AKJ5 / 84 / AK854
: 上家发牌并开叫：
: Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
: ３Ｄ ？
: 2）双无，ＩＭＰ
: Q8652 / K94 / 86 / A52
: 同伴开叫之后：
: Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 8 我用telnet， 如果要回帖， 它不能把原文全部带上， 后面的都变成了。。。。
所以很麻烦。
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 这次出5道叫牌题。无所谓对错，关键是思路。每副牌里你都是南家。
: 1）南北有局，ＩＭＰ
: 64 / AKJ5 / 84 / AK854
: 上家发牌并开叫：
: Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
: ３Ｄ ？
: 2）双无，ＩＭＰ
: Q8652 / K94 / 86 / A52
: 同伴开叫之后：
: Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 9 1. X
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 这次出5道叫牌题。无所谓对错，关键是思路。每副牌里你都是南家。
: 1）南北有局，ＩＭＰ
: 64 / AKJ5 / 84 / AK854
: 上家发牌并开叫：
: Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
: ３Ｄ ？
: 2）双无，ＩＭＰ
: Q8652 / K94 / 86 / A52
: 同伴开叫之后：
: Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 10 2. 3S
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 这次出5道叫牌题。无所谓对错，关键是思路。每副牌里你都是南家。
: 1）南北有局，ＩＭＰ
: 64 / AKJ5 / 84 / AK854
: 上家发牌并开叫：
: Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
: ３Ｄ ？
: 2）双无，ＩＭＰ
: Q8652 / K94 / 86 / A52
: 同伴开叫之后：
: Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
| | | m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 11 3. X
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 这次出5道叫牌题。无所谓对错，关键是思路。每副牌里你都是南家。
: 1）南北有局，ＩＭＰ
: 64 / AKJ5 / 84 / AK854
: 上家发牌并开叫：
: Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
: ３Ｄ ？
: 2）双无，ＩＭＰ
: Q8652 / K94 / 86 / A52
: 同伴开叫之后：
: Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 12 4. XX
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 这次出5道叫牌题。无所谓对错，关键是思路。每副牌里你都是南家。
: 1）南北有局，ＩＭＰ
: 64 / AKJ5 / 84 / AK854
: 上家发牌并开叫：
: Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
: ３Ｄ ？
: 2）双无，ＩＭＰ
: Q8652 / K94 / 86 / A52
: 同伴开叫之后：
: Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 13 5. 4S
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 这次出5道叫牌题。无所谓对错，关键是思路。每副牌里你都是南家。
: 1）南北有局，ＩＭＰ
: 64 / AKJ5 / 84 / AK854
: 上家发牌并开叫：
: Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
: ３Ｄ ？
: 2）双无，ＩＭＰ
: Q8652 / K94 / 86 / A52
: 同伴开叫之后：
: Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 14 大概讲一下我的想法。
1）PASS是合理的，甚至可能是本手。不过我倾向于3H，因为四张红心质量很好。虽然
这个叫品有点冒险，但如果我方能成局，最有可能的是4H或3NT，这里都兼顾到了。缺
陷是方块偏短，降低了同伴红心配合的可能。如果我有四张小方块之类的，那么争叫3H
就更心安理得了。最差的叫品当属4C，既越过了3NT，又未必找到高花配合，梅花质量
也不够好。
2）基本的想法是加倍。如果同伴叫3H，我就再叫3S，这显示一手黑桃至少5张但实力不
够直接叫3S（为逼局叫品）的牌。这个牌直接叫3S有点过，冒叫了一个A左右。PASS也
是合理的；如果同伴不能在平衡位置叫牌，也许防守3D是最好的。不过如果PASS而同伴
加倍，那么这个牌就有点难叫，可能必须要4S了。
3）我的叫牌思想是，在前期的时候把牌叫足，即便可能有些冒叫。这样后面到了高阶
我就可以相对保守些了。比方这副牌前面2D已经显示至少5张方块10点以上的牌，跟我
实际持牌差距不大，这里PASS为妥。如果是好的对手，有局瞎叫的可能性不大。加倍可
能是+200，也可能-730，因为我手里其实稳定的赢墩只有SA。如果方块是KQ带头的六张
，也许可以搏一下3NT；对方要是加倍的话就要考虑是不是逃到4D。
4）很明确地应该叫3D。有支持就一定要显示出来，同时暗示你并不是高限的牌，毕竟
3D不逼叫。我觉得方块应该是好的三张（甚至四张）支持。至于有没有3NT，同伴应该
比我清楚，我把牌叫明就可以了。对手用加倍表示高花支持，不是一个很明智的约定，
给了我方PASS/XX/3D等多种选择空间，我们需要善加利用。
5）太多选择了，PASS/X/4S/5C/5D/5H/5S/5NT/6C/6D/6H都是可能的叫品！！你跟同伴
对这些叫品是怎样理解的？4S看上去很好，既省空间，又明显是逼叫。但同伴会不会认
为是梅花支持呢？比方同伴叫了5C，你再叫5H，同伴能明确知道你是在试探红心小满贯
，而不是梅花大满贯吗？其实我觉得PASS不错，显然是逼叫性的。同伴如果加倍，我再
拉出5D/5H，同伴就能理解我是在试探满贯。 | p******e
发帖数: 1151 | 15 My choices:
1. Pass, almost always. 3H is much better than 4C; you could lose a
possible 4H or 3NT by pass. But if you believe statistics, then pass should
be better than 3H in the sense of statistic rules: suppose you play for a
long time, pass will gain benefit. But if you want to try something
different at a particular day, or you just have that mood or feeling that
day, I agree 3H is the only choice other pass. But I will pass always unless
there is a particular reason.
2. Pass. 4S looks hopeless if your partner cannot do something at balance
position. There is one drawback---sometimes west can do some nasty after
your pass, such as raise to 4D to make trouble for your partner. But pass is
not a bad choice anyway. Double is acceptable but S suit is too weak in my
sense to double. (Partner could bid 3H, then you have to make a tough
decision; 3H might be the best deal you could get; I would always prefer a
suit at least QT9xx if bidding 3S after partner's 3H ).
Nevertheless defend 3D does not seem to be a bad choice.
Sometimes you just have to admit opp's preempt worked.
3. 4D. Your hand is good enough to make an invitation, in particular after
3S preempt. S suit Ax looks great after 3S. It is clear not forcing (you
will double otherwise). Your partner passed after 3S, 3NT looks really
suspicious (I won't bet on that). D suit is good, maybe you have a shot with
5D (at least for me it is more probable than 3NT).
4. I agree 3D is a good choice, But I might just simply miss that---usually
we (partner and I) might have a convention on showing controls for 3NT.
Then 3S is not a bad choice; an invitation for 3NT, with certain support on
D---partner has good control on 3H, then 3NT, otherwise back to 4D.
5. 5D. No other choice for me. It should be understood as an invitation for
Slam (even grand slam is possible and D could be the suit). An ideal example
is,
partner has
S: XXX (XX)
H: X (XX)
D: KXX
C: AKxxxx
You really want to figure out whether partner has the key card DK and this
is your chance. The only problem is that whether 5D is forcing. If it is, 5D
might be the only good deal. If it is not, you could miss 6D/6H/7D/7H or
whatever. Nevertheless I will go with the option that
5D shows two suits 6H/5D at least, good hand and forcing (at least to 5H),
strong interest for slam. Then even if partner has
S: XXX
H: XX
D: KX
C: AKXXXX
you would have a good chance to make 6H.
4S looks great, showing good control on S, forcing, slam interest, but I
will prefer that shows additional support on C; strong interest for H/C slam
.
Pass is also a choice, but there are uncertainties and you might lose the
chance to show your D suit.
Clearly 5D has drawbacks, for example, what if your partner has something
like (whether he/she should try 4C with such a hand is a problem)
S: QXX
H: X
D:JXX
C: AKXXXX
You might go to a hopeless 6C/6D while miss the good 5C/5D. | b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 16 So what do you do with H-D two-suiter (say 5-6 shape) and weakish hand?
【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: My choices:
: 1. Pass, almost always. 3H is much better than 4C; you could lose a
: possible 4H or 3NT by pass. But if you believe statistics, then pass should
: be better than 3H in the sense of statistic rules: suppose you play for a
: long time, pass will gain benefit. But if you want to try something
: different at a particular day, or you just have that mood or feeling that
: day, I agree 3H is the only choice other pass. But I will pass always unless
: there is a particular reason.
: 2. Pass. 4S looks hopeless if your partner cannot do something at balance
: position. There is one drawback---sometimes west can do some nasty after
| p******e
发帖数: 1151 | 17 It is a complicated question. I do not really think thoroughly.
1. What I said about 5D should apply to this sequence (or similar situation
, 5level new suit should mean things like that, under a competitive
situation. In particular, you want to know the support and key card).
1H 3S 4C 4H
5D
Here 5D means slam interest and D suit, 6-5. (in the example you mentioned,
5D is particularly important since having DK or not makes a huge difference.
And you also have a somehow safe house 5H).
2. If a hand with H/D 5/6, 5/5, 6/5, something like AQTXX, AQJXXX, XX, then
no 5D definitely (5D might be the best deal though).
Pass 4H seems to be a good choice, but double could be better.
Since opp's 4H means typically S support with H control, you would like to
mean negative double (negative double applies up to 3S in my sense typically
), suggests D suit, no good support on C. But in a competitive situation
like this, it is hard, at least for me, to handle this ideally. Double shows
some extra nevertheless, but not a clear slam interest.
I will double, (does not really mean to seek D support from partner). But
suppose opp settle at 4S and your partner pass. If you do not really like to
defend 4S, your partner would not be shocked to see a 5D sometimes (which
seems out of nowhere). I might try 5D if partner pass a possible 4S (I don
't know for sure), with the hope that partner has one red king. If the suit
is AQJTXX, then definitely go with that.
3. While something weaker than above, something like AQXXX, AQXXXX, XX, I
will pass (also pass for a possible 4S in the end). You can miss a possible
5D or a good sacrifice 5D. But I cannot figure out better ways. Sometimes
partner could help you to do something. Pass is to play, or to wait for that
.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: So what do you do with H-D two-suiter (say 5-6 shape) and weakish hand?
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 18 Since you are in forcing pass situation, you can do better to show both
competitive hands and power hands.
You can bid 5D with offensive hands, something like --/KQxxx/KQxxxx/xx; you
definitely want to bid here, it could be double game swing.
You can double with balanced hands, typically two or more spades, such as 2-
5-4-2 or 2-5-3-3 shape.
You can pass with stiff or void in spades but no real strong preference in
the strain, such as 1-5-4-3 shape. This is the type of hands that, if
partner has offensive hand you want him to bid, but if partner wants to
defend you are fine too. You leave the decision to partner.
Finally, for an offensive hand with extra values, you can pass first.
Partner will think that you have a hand that wants him to make the final
call. But then after partner makes the expected double, you pull out, that
shows that you have this hand type (if you have the last hand type you would
have passed partner's double).
Making use of forcing pass is important since it allows you to show more
hand types at high-level when bidding space if very limited.
【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: It is a complicated question. I do not really think thoroughly.
: 1. What I said about 5D should apply to this sequence (or similar situation
: , 5level new suit should mean things like that, under a competitive
: situation. In particular, you want to know the support and key card).
: 1H 3S 4C 4H
: 5D
: Here 5D means slam interest and D suit, 6-5. (in the example you mentioned,
: 5D is particularly important since having DK or not makes a huge difference.
: And you also have a somehow safe house 5H).
: 2. If a hand with H/D 5/6, 5/5, 6/5, something like AQTXX, AQJXXX, XX, then
| p******e
发帖数: 1151 | 19 The analysis on forcing pass sounds good in general. I will take a look of
forcing pass on high levels.
1. This kind of hand looks suspicious though.
--/KQXXX/KQXXXX/XX
It could be double game swing and you definitely have zero interest to
defend 4s. But clearly this is not the final call (you have plenty time to
express your will not defending 4s, just want to seek a possible game at 5
level). As a comparison however, an accurate slam bid at high level is
really crucial for many cases.
I am not sure I would like to bid 5D in this situation (regardless forcing
pass or not). Pass is still a better option in my opinion (it is also ideal
with forcing pass unless it suggests a strong hand for slam). After an
expected 4S from opps (or even 5Ss), your partner might double or pull out
5C (maybe that is the best deal you have for double game, 5D definitely
kills that), or even back to your 5H.
With a hand like this, if partner pulls out 5C (suppose you do not bid 5D),
do you really want to cover it with your 5D?
2. Even with the forcing pass, in the actual example you showed in the topic
, seeking the key card DK is still priority No. one. In certain cases opps
will really do something to mess up (unlikely happen in this case though).
For example, if they want to preempt (in particular when they have no. vol),
they can raise to 5S before you can do anything meaningful.
For example, still the same hand
--/AKQTXX/AQXXX/XX
E S W N
P 1H 3S 4C
4H/4S P 5S(?) ?
This kind of situation is not uncommon, in particular when WE have no. Vol
and do a pre-sacrifice/preempt.
If there is a reasonable bid to seek key card DK directly, that would be
ideal in my opinion.
3. Accurate slam bidding is hard, in particular when opps are involved. I
wish I could do better.
you
2-
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: Since you are in forcing pass situation, you can do better to show both
: competitive hands and power hands.
: You can bid 5D with offensive hands, something like --/KQxxx/KQxxxx/xx; you
: definitely want to bid here, it could be double game swing.
: You can double with balanced hands, typically two or more spades, such as 2-
: 5-4-2 or 2-5-3-3 shape.
: You can pass with stiff or void in spades but no real strong preference in
: the strain, such as 1-5-4-3 shape. This is the type of hands that, if
: partner has offensive hand you want him to bid, but if partner wants to
: defend you are fine too. You leave the decision to partner.
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 20 Yes, this is an un-discussed situation for most partnerships, including pro
partnerships.
The general guideline I mentioned, applies when opponents bid to a real
contract such as 4S, then immediate bid shows offensive-oriented hand,
double shows no desire to bid to higher level, pass is neutral (semi-
encouraging if partner has offensive hand), pass then pulling partner's
double shows slam interest. This is similar to principle of fast arrival.
Here the opponents are not in 4S yet, so I guess you can theoretically
assign more sequences on your side to mean different things. You can pass
then bid over 4S (if partner passes), pass then bid over partner's double,
double then bid over 4S, double then double again, bid immediately over 4H,
cuebid 4S, etc. But the subtle difference between these sequences will be
generally un-discussed. So it is best to stick to the general principle,
just treat this as a normal forcing-pass situation.
【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: The analysis on forcing pass sounds good in general. I will take a look of
: forcing pass on high levels.
: 1. This kind of hand looks suspicious though.
: --/KQXXX/KQXXXX/XX
: It could be double game swing and you definitely have zero interest to
: defend 4s. But clearly this is not the final call (you have plenty time to
: express your will not defending 4s, just want to seek a possible game at 5
: level). As a comparison however, an accurate slam bid at high level is
: really crucial for many cases.
: I am not sure I would like to bid 5D in this situation (regardless forcing
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 21 When opponents pre-empts at high level, accurate slam bidding is not just
hard, it is nearly impossible. You just have to accept that, that's why
people preempt. The priority should be given to determining whether to
defend or declare, and which game we should be if declaring. It is important
to protect your game bonus. After all, slam/grand-slam are less common than
game hands, plus when the distribution is wild you may not have normal
break, so a good slam might go down anyway. That's why 5D needs to be
showing offensive shape, rather than a cuebid. You might miss a few slams
with this treatment, but you get to bid to game more accurately, or avoid 5-
level when it is right to defend.
【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: The analysis on forcing pass sounds good in general. I will take a look of
: forcing pass on high levels.
: 1. This kind of hand looks suspicious though.
: --/KQXXX/KQXXXX/XX
: It could be double game swing and you definitely have zero interest to
: defend 4s. But clearly this is not the final call (you have plenty time to
: express your will not defending 4s, just want to seek a possible game at 5
: level). As a comparison however, an accurate slam bid at high level is
: really crucial for many cases.
: I am not sure I would like to bid 5D in this situation (regardless forcing
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