r*********h
发帖数: 28 | 1 国内本科GPA3.0,国内研究生3.3,学校都算国内前15吧,美国排名70-80的工科phd3.7,公
司工作了两三年当工程师,后来找了一个小学校做tenure track的AP做了4,5年,由于一
直想改行做自己想做的专业,准备在附近一个比较出名的学校读一个part time mba.自
己原来领域看上去还凑合,有20篇出头journal,绝大部分一作,另外还有不到20篇
conference paper不过conference paper不值钱.岁数比较大了,马上40了,英语还凑合,
有GC.想申请一个10-40名的商学院金融phd,希望怎么样?如果不行我就老老实实呆着了.
叩谢. | D*****a
发帖数: 2847 | 2 别折腾了吧。。
合,
了.
【在 r*********h 的大作中提到】
: 国内本科GPA3.0,国内研究生3.3,学校都算国内前15吧,美国排名70-80的工科phd3.7,公
: 司工作了两三年当工程师,后来找了一个小学校做tenure track的AP做了4,5年,由于一
: 直想改行做自己想做的专业,准备在附近一个比较出名的学校读一个part time mba.自
: 己原来领域看上去还凑合,有20篇出头journal,绝大部分一作,另外还有不到20篇
: conference paper不过conference paper不值钱.岁数比较大了,马上40了,英语还凑合,
: 有GC.想申请一个10-40名的商学院金融phd,希望怎么样?如果不行我就老老实实呆着了.
: 叩谢.
| r*********h
发帖数: 28 | 3 咳,这不是不敢确定能不能拿到tenure,也不想回公司继续打工嘛.给点建设性意见
吧
【在 D*****a 的大作中提到】
: 别折腾了吧。。
:
: 合,
: 了.
| t*****i
发帖数: 68 | 4 我的印象是很多学校要求tenure-track AP不能超过45岁，所以你读出来以后可能不好找
学校的工作。不过也可能是我记错了，你最好再问问。
合,
了.
【在 r*********h 的大作中提到】
: 国内本科GPA3.0,国内研究生3.3,学校都算国内前15吧,美国排名70-80的工科phd3.7,公
: 司工作了两三年当工程师,后来找了一个小学校做tenure track的AP做了4,5年,由于一
: 直想改行做自己想做的专业,准备在附近一个比较出名的学校读一个part time mba.自
: 己原来领域看上去还凑合,有20篇出头journal,绝大部分一作,另外还有不到20篇
: conference paper不过conference paper不值钱.岁数比较大了,马上40了,英语还凑合,
: 有GC.想申请一个10-40名的商学院金融phd,希望怎么样?如果不行我就老老实实呆着了.
: 叩谢.
| a**n
发帖数: 3801 | 5 不可能吧
这犯法吧
年龄歧视啊
好找
【在 t*****i 的大作中提到】
: 我的印象是很多学校要求tenure-track AP不能超过45岁，所以你读出来以后可能不好找
: 学校的工作。不过也可能是我记错了，你最好再问问。
:
: 合,
: 了.
| e*****k
发帖数: 282 | 6 真的别折腾了。
申请得到申请不到都是问题，申请到了然后才是大问题。你以为读个博士那么容易？以
为必要之后找到工作又那么容易？特别是你的情况，我认为当下想想能做什么做好什么
去寻找机会就好了。
合,
了.
【在 r*********h 的大作中提到】
: 国内本科GPA3.0,国内研究生3.3,学校都算国内前15吧,美国排名70-80的工科phd3.7,公
: 司工作了两三年当工程师,后来找了一个小学校做tenure track的AP做了4,5年,由于一
: 直想改行做自己想做的专业,准备在附近一个比较出名的学校读一个part time mba.自
: 己原来领域看上去还凑合,有20篇出头journal,绝大部分一作,另外还有不到20篇
: conference paper不过conference paper不值钱.岁数比较大了,马上40了,英语还凑合,
: 有GC.想申请一个10-40名的商学院金融phd,希望怎么样?如果不行我就老老实实呆着了.
: 叩谢.
| r****y
发帖数: 327 | 7 You mean in China?
好找
【在 t*****i 的大作中提到】
: 我的印象是很多学校要求tenure-track AP不能超过45岁，所以你读出来以后可能不好找
: 学校的工作。不过也可能是我记错了，你最好再问问。
:
: 合,
: 了.
| r*********h
发帖数: 28 | 8 这不就是在问希望大不大嘛,目前tenure的事虽然文章过得去但是感觉人事挺复杂,有点
不确信,如果拿到tenure我就不折腾了.看了一些录取率大概200个取5,6个,但是又说鼓
励多背景和研究潜力的人申请,我这在rsearch上是已经proven了,但是本科gpa一般所以
有点担心,另外也不是商科背景.phd我已经读过一个,以前我看商学院的金融phd们还没
有我干的累那,所以读下来应该问题不大.top40的金融博士找个容易混得学校问题不大
吧?
【在 e*****k 的大作中提到】
: 真的别折腾了。
: 申请得到申请不到都是问题，申请到了然后才是大问题。你以为读个博士那么容易？以
: 为必要之后找到工作又那么容易？特别是你的情况，我认为当下想想能做什么做好什么
: 去寻找机会就好了。
:
: 合,
: 了.
| s*****w
发帖数: 2065 | 9 你看的是哪个学校的金融phd啊？
要么是你太认真了，要么就是你看得不仔细。。。
【在 r*********h 的大作中提到】
: 这不就是在问希望大不大嘛,目前tenure的事虽然文章过得去但是感觉人事挺复杂,有点
: 不确信,如果拿到tenure我就不折腾了.看了一些录取率大概200个取5,6个,但是又说鼓
: 励多背景和研究潜力的人申请,我这在rsearch上是已经proven了,但是本科gpa一般所以
: 有点担心,另外也不是商科背景.phd我已经读过一个,以前我看商学院的金融phd们还没
: 有我干的累那,所以读下来应该问题不大.top40的金融博士找个容易混得学校问题不大
: 吧?
| r*********h
发帖数: 28 | 10 跑题了,比理工科phd特别是老板push的累的还真不多.给点建设性意见吧,比如工科背景
会不会成为负面因素还是说是正面因素,相对于商科本科出身怎么样?读个好学校的mba
会对申请有帮助吗?MBA的课是不是phd期间就不用上了?有MBA一般几年能毕业？
【在 s*****w 的大作中提到】
: 你看的是哪个学校的金融phd啊？
: 要么是你太认真了，要么就是你看得不仔细。。。
| | | a**n
发帖数: 3801 | 11 MBA的课对PhD一点用都没有
mba
【在 r*********h 的大作中提到】
: 跑题了,比理工科phd特别是老板push的累的还真不多.给点建设性意见吧,比如工科背景
: 会不会成为负面因素还是说是正面因素,相对于商科本科出身怎么样?读个好学校的mba
: 会对申请有帮助吗?MBA的课是不是phd期间就不用上了?有MBA一般几年能毕业？
| s*****w
发帖数: 2065 | 12 没跑题，我的意思是你没有真正了解到金融phd有多辛苦，所以问这些没用。
mba
【在 r*********h 的大作中提到】
: 跑题了,比理工科phd特别是老板push的累的还真不多.给点建设性意见吧,比如工科背景
: 会不会成为负面因素还是说是正面因素,相对于商科本科出身怎么样?读个好学校的mba
: 会对申请有帮助吗?MBA的课是不是phd期间就不用上了?有MBA一般几年能毕业？
| r*********h
发帖数: 28 | 13 难道金融phd比一周meet两次,每次meet都要有新结果,不然就被威胁停funding,同时还
要做TA,每天工作超过10小时,每周也就周五晚上买个菜吃个饭去个教会吹吹牛累?
【在 s*****w 的大作中提到】
: 没跑题，我的意思是你没有真正了解到金融phd有多辛苦，所以问这些没用。
:
: mba
| r*********h
发帖数: 28 | 14 不能抵掉一些phd的课吗?
【在 a**n 的大作中提到】
: MBA的课对PhD一点用都没有
:
: mba
| a**n
发帖数: 3801 | 15 估计骗钱的PhD Program可以
【在 r*********h 的大作中提到】
: 不能抵掉一些phd的课吗?
| s*****w
发帖数: 2065 | 16 看你怎么定义累了。
你觉得是有人push有明确的题目和方向只是需要劳动累，还是没有人管什么都要自己主
动去找找了几十个题目也不见得能成一个不找就最后什么都没有累？
没有新结果不会被push或者威胁停funding，但是phd几年的funding能有多少？白耗几年
最后毕不了业或者没有文章找不到工作，累不累？
我相信很多金融phd都巴不得天天有人push，呵呵。
【在 r*********h 的大作中提到】
: 难道金融phd比一周meet两次,每次meet都要有新结果,不然就被威胁停funding,同时还
: 要做TA,每天工作超过10小时,每周也就周五晚上买个菜吃个饭去个教会吹吹牛累?
| r*********h
发帖数: 28 | 17 见仁见智了,你说的这个理工科的多了
几年
【在 s*****w 的大作中提到】
: 看你怎么定义累了。
: 你觉得是有人push有明确的题目和方向只是需要劳动累，还是没有人管什么都要自己主
: 动去找找了几十个题目也不见得能成一个不找就最后什么都没有累？
: 没有新结果不会被push或者威胁停funding，但是phd几年的funding能有多少？白耗几年
: 最后毕不了业或者没有文章找不到工作，累不累？
: 我相信很多金融phd都巴不得天天有人push，呵呵。
| s*****w
发帖数: 2065 | 18 你是不到黄河不死心了，呵呵。
话说回来，我觉得MBA或者master应该还是有帮助的，没有好的经济学背景你读金融phd
很难生存，除非是个骗钱的program。
【在 r*********h 的大作中提到】
: 见仁见智了,你说的这个理工科的多了
:
: 几年
| r*********h
发帖数: 28 | 19 嗯,这个是我主要担心的,如果不读mba,读个什么样的master有帮助?经济吗？parttime
的录取时候会不会有负面作用？
phd
【在 s*****w 的大作中提到】
: 你是不到黄河不死心了，呵呵。
: 话说回来，我觉得MBA或者master应该还是有帮助的，没有好的经济学背景你读金融phd
: 很难生存，除非是个骗钱的program。
| s*****w
发帖数: 2065 | 20 这些都很难说，看运气，看你申请哪个学校。每个学校的人都有不同的看法。
有志者事竟成。如果你真的很喜欢金融，有决心读个金融phd，努努力肯定能被录取的。
问题就在于你的动机。如果就是为了生活轻松没有压力就业容易，那你就找错专业了。
parttime
【在 r*********h 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,这个是我主要担心的,如果不读mba,读个什么样的master有帮助?经济吗？parttime
: 的录取时候会不会有负面作用？
:
: phd
| | | V**0
发帖数: 889 | 21 金融phd不是老板push吧，
应该是push老板，push得当的话，大多数情况下，老板根本不鸟你
若push不得当就完蛋了
几年
【在 s*****w 的大作中提到】
: 看你怎么定义累了。
: 你觉得是有人push有明确的题目和方向只是需要劳动累，还是没有人管什么都要自己主
: 动去找找了几十个题目也不见得能成一个不找就最后什么都没有累？
: 没有新结果不会被push或者威胁停funding，但是phd几年的funding能有多少？白耗几年
: 最后毕不了业或者没有文章找不到工作，累不累？
: 我相信很多金融phd都巴不得天天有人push，呵呵。
| s*****w
发帖数: 2065 | 22 对啊，我就是这个意思，可能句子太长了没表达好。
选老板太重要了，但是就算你选对了人也要有机会让人家能看中你才行。就算这两步都
走对了，还要看运气好不好，能不能选个好题目。
【在 V**0 的大作中提到】
: 金融phd不是老板push吧，
: 应该是push老板，push得当的话，大多数情况下，老板根本不鸟你
: 若push不得当就完蛋了
:
: 几年
| j*k
发帖数: 182 | 23 我觉得快40了，估计也有家有口了，由奢入俭难。我觉得最好不要再读finance phd了
。现在的生活不是挺好的么。从老师又变成学生肯定不是很适应。
合,
了.
【在 r*********h 的大作中提到】
: 国内本科GPA3.0,国内研究生3.3,学校都算国内前15吧,美国排名70-80的工科phd3.7,公
: 司工作了两三年当工程师,后来找了一个小学校做tenure track的AP做了4,5年,由于一
: 直想改行做自己想做的专业,准备在附近一个比较出名的学校读一个part time mba.自
: 己原来领域看上去还凑合,有20篇出头journal,绝大部分一作,另外还有不到20篇
: conference paper不过conference paper不值钱.岁数比较大了,马上40了,英语还凑合,
: 有GC.想申请一个10-40名的商学院金融phd,希望怎么样?如果不行我就老老实实呆着了.
: 叩谢.
| A*******2
发帖数: 356 | 24 From your background, it should take about 2 years for you to get a decent MBA and you may have to do it full time to get it done in 2 years since you don't have any background in business. Then it takes at least 5 years to finish the Phd if everything goes smoothly. An MBA (not part-time, not E-mba) from a top 20 school maybe (just maybe) helpful for your application.
Never heard anybody getting a finance phd from a decent program in less than 5 years no matter what the background is. Can your family survive for 5 years based on your graduate assistantship only? Or, if your spouse has her own job, is she willing to sacrifice for 5 years for a lower life quality, and then another 6 years (usually more) before you eventually get your tenure? Your age may be a little too old to get into Wallstreet after a phd in finance.
What's your GMAT score? | e*****k
发帖数: 282 | 25 Why doing a PhD is often a waste of time
Dec 16th 2010 | from PRINT EDITION
from PRINT EDITION | Christmas Specials
ON THE evening before All Saints’ Day in 1517, Martin Luther nailed 95
theses to the door of a church in Wittenberg. In those days a thesis was
simply a position one wanted to argue. Luther, an Augustinian friar,
asserted that Christians could not buy their way to heaven. Today a doctoral
thesis is both an idea and an account of a period of original research.
Writing one is the aim of the hundreds of thousands of students who embark
on a doctorate of philosophy (PhD) every year.
In most countries a PhD is a basic requirement for a career in academia. It
is an introduction to the world of independent research—a kind of
intellectual masterpiece, created by an apprentice in close collaboration
with a supervisor. The requirements to complete one vary enormously between
countries, universities and even subjects. Some students will first have to
spend two years working on a master’s degree or diploma. Some will receive
a stipend; others will pay their own way. Some PhDs involve only research,
some require classes and examinations and some require the student to teach
undergraduates. A thesis can be dozens of pages in mathematics, or many
hundreds in history. As a result, newly minted PhDs can be as young as their
early 20s or world-weary forty-somethings.
One thing many PhD students have in common is dissatisfaction. Some describe
their work as “slave labour”. Seven-day weeks, ten-hour days, low pay and
uncertain prospects are widespread. You know you are a graduate student,
goes one quip, when your office is better decorated than your home and you
have a favourite flavour of instant noodle. “It isn’t graduate school
itself that is discouraging,” says one student, who confesses to rather
enjoying the hunt for free pizza. “What’s discouraging is realising the
end point has been yanked out of reach.”
Related topics
Physics
Science and technology
Science
United States
Colleges and universities
Whining PhD students are nothing new, but there seem to be genuine problems
with the system that produces research doctorates (the practical “
professional doctorates” in fields such as law, business and medicine have
a more obvious value). There is an oversupply of PhDs. Although a doctorate
is designed as training for a job in academia, the number of PhD positions
is unrelated to the number of job openings. Meanwhile, business leaders
complain about shortages of high-level skills, suggesting PhDs are not
teaching the right things. The fiercest critics compare research doctorates
to Ponzi or pyramid schemes.
Rich pickings
For most of history even a first degree at a university was the privilege of
a rich few, and many academic staff did not hold doctorates. But as higher
education expanded after the second world war, so did the expectation that
lecturers would hold advanced degrees. American universities geared up first
university students and half of its science and technology PhDs (at that
time it had only 6% of the global population). Since then America’s annual
output of PhDs has doubled, to 64,000.
Other countries are catching up. Between 1998 and 2006 the number of
doctorates handed out in all OECD countries grew by 40%, compared with 22%
for America. PhD production sped up most dramatically in Mexico, Portugal,
Italy and Slovakia. Even Japan, where the number of young people is
shrinking, churned out about 46% more PhDs. Part of that growth reflects the
expansion of university education outside America. Richard Freeman, a
labour economist at Harvard University, says that by 2006 America was
enrolling just 12% of the world’s students.
But universities have discovered that PhD students are cheap, highly
motivated and disposable labour. With more PhD students they can do more
research, and in some countries more teaching, with less money. A graduate
assistant at Yale might earn $20,000 a year for nine months of teaching. The
average pay of full professors in America was $109,000 in 2009—higher than
the average for judges and magistrates.
Indeed, the production of PhDs has far outstripped demand for university
lecturers. In a recent book, Andrew Hacker and Claudia Dreifus, an academic
and a journalist, report that America produced more than 100,000 doctoral
degrees between 2005 and 2009. In the same period there were just 16,000 new
professorships. Using PhD students to do much of the undergraduate teaching
cuts the number of full-time jobs. Even in Canada, where the output of PhD
graduates has grown relatively modestly, universities conferred 4,800
doctorate degrees in 2007 but hired just 2,616 new full-time professors.
Only a few fast-developing countries, such as Brazil and China, now seem
short of PhDs.
A short course in supply and demand
In research the story is similar. PhD students and contract staff known as
“postdocs”, described by one student as “the ugly underbelly of academia
”, do much of the research these days. There is a glut of postdocs too. Dr
Freeman concluded from pre-2000 data that if American faculty jobs in the
life sciences were increasing at 5% a year, just 20% of students would land
one. In Canada 80% of postdocs earn $38,600 or less per year before tax—the
average salary of a construction worker. The rise of the postdoc has
created another obstacle on the way to an academic post. In some areas five
years as a postdoc is now a prerequisite for landing a secure full-time job.
These armies of low-paid PhD researchers and postdocs boost universities’,
and therefore countries’, research capacity. Yet that is not always a good
thing. Brilliant, well-trained minds can go to waste when fashions change.
The post-Sputnik era drove the rapid growth in PhD physicists that came to
an abrupt halt as the Vietnam war drained the science budget. Brian Schwartz
, a professor of physics at the City University of New York, says that in
the 1970s as many as 5,000 physicists had to find jobs in other areas.
In America the rise of PhD teachers’ unions reflects the breakdown of an
implicit contract between universities and PhD students: crummy pay now for
a good academic job later. Student teachers in public universities such as
the University of Wisconsin-Madison formed unions as early as the 1960s, but
the pace of unionisation has increased recently. Unions are now spreading
to private universities; though Yale and Cornell, where university
administrators and some faculty argue that PhD students who teach are not
workers but apprentices, have resisted union drives. In 2002 New York
University was the first private university to recognise a PhD teachers’
union, but stopped negotiating with it three years later.
In some countries, such as Britain and America, poor pay and job prospects
are reflected in the number of foreign-born PhD students. Dr Freeman
estimates that in 1966 only 23% of science and engineering PhDs in America
were awarded to students born outside the country. By 2006 that proportion
had increased to 48%. Foreign students tend to tolerate poorer working
conditions, and the supply of cheap, brilliant, foreign labour also keeps
wages down.
A PhD may offer no financial benefit over a master’s degree. It can even
reduce earnings
Proponents of the PhD argue that it is worthwhile even if it does not lead
to permanent academic employment. Not every student embarks on a PhD wanting
a university career and many move successfully into private-sector jobs in,
for instance, industrial research. That is true; but drop-out rates suggest
that many students become dispirited. In America only 57% of doctoral
students will have a PhD ten years after their first date of enrolment. In
the humanities, where most students pay for their own PhDs, the figure is 49
%. Worse still, whereas in other subject areas students tend to jump ship in
the early years, in the humanities they cling like limpets before
eventually falling off. And these students started out as the academic cream
of the nation. Research at one American university found that those who
finish are no cleverer than those who do not. Poor supervision, bad job
prospects or lack of money cause them to run out of steam.
Even graduates who find work outside universities may not fare all that well
. PhD courses are so specialised that university careers offices struggle to
assist graduates looking for jobs, and supervisors tend to have little
interest in students who are leaving academia. One OECD study shows that
five years after receiving their degrees, more than 60% of PhDs in Slovakia
and more than 45% in Belgium, the Czech Republic, Germany and Spain were
still on temporary contracts. Many were postdocs. About one-third of Austria
’s PhD graduates take jobs unrelated to their degrees. In Germany 13% of
all PhD graduates end up in lowly occupations. In the Netherlands the
proportion is 21%.
A very slim premium
PhD graduates do at least earn more than those with a bachelor’s degree. A
study in the Journal of Higher Education Policy and Management by Bernard
Casey shows that British men with a bachelor’s degree earn 14% more than
those who could have gone to university but chose not to. The earnings
premium for a PhD is 26%. But the premium for a master’s degree, which can
be accomplished in as little as one year, is almost as high, at 23%. In some
subjects the premium for a PhD vanishes entirely. PhDs in maths and
computing, social sciences and languages earn no more than those with master
’s degrees. The premium for a PhD is actually smaller than for a master’s
degree in engineering and technology, architecture and education. Only in
medicine, other sciences, and business and financial studies is it high
enough to be worthwhile. Over all subjects, a PhD commands only a 3% premium
over a master’s degree.
Dr Schwartz, the New York physicist, says the skills learned in the course
of a PhD can be readily acquired through much shorter courses. Thirty years
ago, he says, Wall Street firms realised that some physicists could work out
differential equations and recruited them to become “quants”, analysts
and traders. Today several short courses offer the advanced maths useful for
finance. “A PhD physicist with one course on differential equations is not
competitive,” says Dr Schwartz.
Many students say they are pursuing their subject out of love, and that
education is an end in itself. Some give little thought to where the
qualification might lead. In one study of British PhD graduates, about a
third admitted that they were doing their doctorate partly to go on being a
student, or put off job hunting. Nearly half of engineering students
admitted to this. Scientists can easily get stipends, and therefore drift
into doing a PhD. But there are penalties, as well as benefits, to staying
at university. Workers with “surplus schooling”—more education than a job
requires—are likely to be less satisfied, less productive and more likely
to say they are going to leave their jobs.
The interests of universities and tenured academics are misaligned with
those of PhD students
Academics tend to regard asking whether a PhD is worthwhile as analogous to
wondering whether there is too much art or culture in the world. They
believe that knowledge spills from universities into society, making it more
productive and healthier. That may well be true; but doing a PhD may still
be a bad choice for an individual.
The interests of academics and universities on the one hand and PhD students
on the other are not well aligned. The more bright students stay at
universities, the better it is for academics. Postgraduate students bring in
grants and beef up their supervisors’ publication records. Academics pick
bright undergraduate students and groom them as potential graduate students.
It isn’t in their interests to turn the smart kids away, at least at the
beginning. One female student spoke of being told of glowing opportunities
at the outset, but after seven years of hard slog she was fobbed off with a
joke about finding a rich husband.
Monica Harris, a professor of psychology at the University of Kentucky, is a
rare exception. She believes that too many PhDs are being produced, and has
stopped admitting them. But such unilateral academic birth control is rare.
One Ivy-League president, asked recently about PhD oversupply, said that if
the top universities cut back others will step in to offer them instead.
Noble pursuits
Many of the drawbacks of doing a PhD are well known. Your correspondent was
aware of them over a decade ago while she slogged through a largely
pointless PhD in theoretical ecology. As Europeans try to harmonise higher
education, some institutions are pushing the more structured learning that
comes with an American PhD.
The organisations that pay for research have realised that many PhDs find it
tough to transfer their skills into the job market. Writing lab reports,
giving academic presentations and conducting six-month literature reviews
can be surprisingly unhelpful in a world where technical knowledge has to be
assimilated quickly and presented simply to a wide audience. Some
universities are now offering their PhD students training in soft skills
such as communication and teamwork that may be useful in the labour market.
In Britain a four-year NewRoutePhD claims to develop just such skills in
graduates.
Measurements and incentives might be changed, too. Some university
departments and academics regard numbers of PhD graduates as an indicator of
success and compete to produce more. For the students, a measure of how
quickly those students get a permanent job, and what they earn, would be
more useful. Where penalties are levied on academics who allow PhDs to
overrun, the number of students who complete rises abruptly, suggesting that
students were previously allowed to fester.
Many of those who embark on a PhD are the smartest in their class and will
have been the best at everything they have done. They will have amassed
awards and prizes. As this year’s new crop of graduate students bounce into
their research, few will be willing to accept that the system they are
entering could be designed for the benefit of others, that even hard work
and brilliance may well not be enough to succeed, and that they would be
better off doing something else. They might use their research skills to
look harder at the lot of the disposable academic. Someone should write a
thesis about that. | B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 26 应该先想想PhD + tenure-track加起来至少11年，也就是就算一切顺利您快到50才有可
能拿到
tenure,还有就是哪里拿tenure都有人事问题，系里没人support您或者有大佬不
support您不见得
您的publication够了就一定可以。
最后您对商学院的PhD的辛苦程度你不够了解，您不是科班出身缺乏很多institutional
knowledge，而这些knowledge不是您学了几个Master或者MBA就一定能弥补的，很多时
候您想
work hard都找不到work hard的direction，以至您以为人家不work hard
合,
了.
【在 r*********h 的大作中提到】
: 国内本科GPA3.0,国内研究生3.3,学校都算国内前15吧,美国排名70-80的工科phd3.7,公
: 司工作了两三年当工程师,后来找了一个小学校做tenure track的AP做了4,5年,由于一
: 直想改行做自己想做的专业,准备在附近一个比较出名的学校读一个part time mba.自
: 己原来领域看上去还凑合,有20篇出头journal,绝大部分一作,另外还有不到20篇
: conference paper不过conference paper不值钱.岁数比较大了,马上40了,英语还凑合,
: 有GC.想申请一个10-40名的商学院金融phd,希望怎么样?如果不行我就老老实实呆着了.
: 叩谢.
| e*****k
发帖数: 282 | 27 看来你似乎已经被折磨过的过来人了。
这哥们搞不清楚状况吧，或者想体验一下人生。。可是都快40了呀。感觉结婚生娃想个
现实一点的出路。不管你曾经多牛逼，从phd学生开始就是一粒小东西。
institutional
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: 应该先想想PhD + tenure-track加起来至少11年，也就是就算一切顺利您快到50才有可
: 能拿到
: tenure,还有就是哪里拿tenure都有人事问题，系里没人support您或者有大佬不
: support您不见得
: 您的publication够了就一定可以。
: 最后您对商学院的PhD的辛苦程度你不够了解，您不是科班出身缺乏很多institutional
: knowledge，而这些knowledge不是您学了几个Master或者MBA就一定能弥补的，很多时
: 候您想
: work hard都找不到work hard的direction，以至您以为人家不work hard
:
| d**o
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