h*h 发帖数: 27852 | 1 微软现在的产品很狗屎,根子在当年GATES或其他不懂技术的管理人员瞎指挥
我知道GATES不是MBA,不过他也不懂技术,基本就是个MBA. |
a*****0 发帖数: 6788 | 2 WTF! Gates doesn't know technology?? You should go read about the early days
of his life.
Some marketing people got the upper hand over the technology people. That
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h*h 发帖数: 27852 | 3 20多年不敢技术了,早已经MBA化了
days
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】 : WTF! Gates doesn't know technology?? You should go read about the early days : of his life. : Some marketing people got the upper hand over the technology people. That : part I agree.
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a*****0 发帖数: 6788 | 4 There's hardly a tragedy at MSFT. Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 are
very well received in the marketplace. SQL Server has steadily been gaining
market share. SharePoint has blown all other portal/collab products away
since version 2007. .NET beats Java in enterprise environment hands-down
too.
Idiots like you who have taken one or two CS classes and installed Linux on
a beatup box, always claim MSFT is crap and dead.
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x****o 发帖数: 29677 | 5
.NET beats Java in enterprise environment hands-down too.
这句不敢苟同
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】 : There's hardly a tragedy at MSFT. Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 are : very well received in the marketplace. SQL Server has steadily been gaining : market share. SharePoint has blown all other portal/collab products away : since version 2007. .NET beats Java in enterprise environment hands-down : too. : Idiots like you who have taken one or two CS classes and installed Linux on : a beatup box, always claim MSFT is crap and dead. : The sign of a good (and deep-pocketed) company is that it can correct i
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a*****0 发帖数: 6788 | 6
You'd know if you've seen some of these Gartner reports. Maybe I should
have said it more precisely, ASP.NET far outgains JSP/Servlet in the web app
side.
【在 x****o 的大作中提到】 : : .NET beats Java in enterprise environment hands-down too. : 这句不敢苟同
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h*h 发帖数: 27852 | 7 听说过JSF吗?
app
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】 : : You'd know if you've seen some of these Gartner reports. Maybe I should : have said it more precisely, ASP.NET far outgains JSP/Servlet in the web app : side.
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w*******d 发帖数: 3714 | 8 看看楼主头像也知道不用跟他认真嘛
不过说实话微软的习惯就是搞一个烂的,让大家都怨声载道的时候马上推出一个新的,
于是大家都纷纷说新的好,群众表示兴趣稳定。。。
比如搞了一个98还行,于是搞了一个Me让大家骂骂,再出XP大家一对比就纷纷情绪稳定
了。要让7直接取代XP可能不容易,于是先搞了一个Vista让大家骂,回头又搞一个7大
家又纷纷情绪稳定了。我断言2014年微软要出一个Windows New Era让大家骂成猪头,
然后2018年推出Windows 2020,每次都可以收两分钱,赚的多开心。。。(纯属阴谋论
哈哈)
gaining
on
own mistakes, even if a gigantic one. And MSFT did just that.
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】 : There's hardly a tragedy at MSFT. Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 are : very well received in the marketplace. SQL Server has steadily been gaining : market share. SharePoint has blown all other portal/collab products away : since version 2007. .NET beats Java in enterprise environment hands-down : too. : Idiots like you who have taken one or two CS classes and installed Linux on : a beatup box, always claim MSFT is crap and dead. : The sign of a good (and deep-pocketed) company is that it can correct i
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i******t 发帖数: 370 | 9 LOL, 那windows 2000算啥?
【在 w*******d 的大作中提到】 : 看看楼主头像也知道不用跟他认真嘛 : 不过说实话微软的习惯就是搞一个烂的,让大家都怨声载道的时候马上推出一个新的, : 于是大家都纷纷说新的好,群众表示兴趣稳定。。。 : 比如搞了一个98还行,于是搞了一个Me让大家骂骂,再出XP大家一对比就纷纷情绪稳定 : 了。要让7直接取代XP可能不容易,于是先搞了一个Vista让大家骂,回头又搞一个7大 : 家又纷纷情绪稳定了。我断言2014年微软要出一个Windows New Era让大家骂成猪头, : 然后2018年推出Windows 2020,每次都可以收两分钱,赚的多开心。。。(纯属阴谋论 : 哈哈) : : gaining
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w*******d 发帖数: 3714 | 10 那个算NT系的,小众产品
【在 i******t 的大作中提到】 : LOL, 那windows 2000算啥?
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l****g 发帖数: 761 | 11 Bill Gates 不懂技术.................
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x****o 发帖数: 29677 | 12
app
真没看出来ASP.NET能比过JSP/Servlet,人人都告诉我ASP.NET快完蛋了
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】 : : You'd know if you've seen some of these Gartner reports. Maybe I should : have said it more precisely, ASP.NET far outgains JSP/Servlet in the web app : side.
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P********e 发帖数: 2610 | 13 你在学校看到的和工业界其实有差别的
【在 x****o 的大作中提到】 : : app : 真没看出来ASP.NET能比过JSP/Servlet,人人都告诉我ASP.NET快完蛋了
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v******d 发帖数: 1322 | 14 说实在, 大部分企业都相信微软,都优先考虑微软的产品
【在 P********e 的大作中提到】 : 你在学校看到的和工业界其实有差别的
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h*h 发帖数: 27852 | 15 Yes, except Vista and Windows 7
【在 v******d 的大作中提到】 : 说实在, 大部分企业都相信微软,都优先考虑微软的产品
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v******d 发帖数: 1322 | 16 windows 7还好吧,只是一般企业都会延后一段时间再开始升级的,确保各种程序的兼容性
【在 h*h 的大作中提到】 : Yes, except Vista and Windows 7
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j***e 发帖数: 2428 | 17 nod 阿,
微软就tm毁在这群mba手里了
【在 h*h 的大作中提到】 : 微软现在的产品很狗屎,根子在当年GATES或其他不懂技术的管理人员瞎指挥 : 我知道GATES不是MBA,不过他也不懂技术,基本就是个MBA.
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j***e 发帖数: 2428 | 18 asp.net 完蛋了?
这道不至于,赫赫
【在 x****o 的大作中提到】 : : app : 真没看出来ASP.NET能比过JSP/Servlet,人人都告诉我ASP.NET快完蛋了
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B*****l 发帖数: 192 | 19 居然敢说Gates不懂技术,真是无知者无畏!
【在 h*h 的大作中提到】 : 微软现在的产品很狗屎,根子在当年GATES或其他不懂技术的管理人员瞎指挥 : 我知道GATES不是MBA,不过他也不懂技术,基本就是个MBA.
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f**********r 发帖数: 2137 | 20 在底层写代码的技术员不一定真的就懂技术,要有技术的VISION才行,gates后来做的
也是首席技术官,ceo早早传给了balmer
【在 h*h 的大作中提到】 : 微软现在的产品很狗屎,根子在当年GATES或其他不懂技术的管理人员瞎指挥 : 我知道GATES不是MBA,不过他也不懂技术,基本就是个MBA.
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g*****g 发帖数: 34805 | 21 For J2EE vs. .Net, both are for enterprise applications,
and architecture wise, they are similar. Java features cross
platform, have a much larger open source community, and
have a longer history. .Net on the other hand, is controlled
by one company and arguably have better IDE.
My opinion is that both will exist for a long time. But the fact
that .net doesn't run on *nix system is a big no for many companies.
And for that reason alone, we'll continue to see most mid-large
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P********e 发帖数: 2610 | 22 有商用desktop里面linux比例吗
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : For J2EE vs. .Net, both are for enterprise applications, : and architecture wise, they are similar. Java features cross : platform, have a much larger open source community, and : have a longer history. .Net on the other hand, is controlled : by one company and arguably have better IDE. : My opinion is that both will exist for a long time. But the fact : that .net doesn't run on *nix system is a big no for many companies. : And for that reason alone, we'll continue to see most mid-large : enterprise application
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g*****g 发帖数: 34805 | 23 Probably not many, but enterprise app is more on the
server side. And the trend is thin client using browser.
The whole cloud story is repeating this.
M$ is dominant on desktop and there's no debate. But M$
is unlikely to crack IBM, Oracle who are dominant players
on enterprise market any time soon.
【在 P********e 的大作中提到】 : 有商用desktop里面linux比例吗
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P********e 发帖数: 2610 | 24 enterprise level apps have server/client.
不过企业看中的是稳定。
你说的和IBM oracle比是说数据库市场吧。
还是MS VS SUN?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : Probably not many, but enterprise app is more on the : server side. And the trend is thin client using browser. : The whole cloud story is repeating this. : M$ is dominant on desktop and there's no debate. But M$ : is unlikely to crack IBM, Oracle who are dominant players : on enterprise market any time soon.
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g*****g 发帖数: 34805 | 25 Enterprise apps focus on server side, clients are either
thin like browsers (which is also the trend), or they are
relatively simple part of the development most of the time.
Prime example is financial industry. Most clients are either
browsers or pretty dumb consoles. But the backend servers are
enormous and there are a lot of money to be made there.
Stability and scalability rule here. Also important is legacy support.
I was talking about this as a whole, and most notable part would
be applica
【在 P********e 的大作中提到】 : enterprise level apps have server/client. : 不过企业看中的是稳定。 : 你说的和IBM oracle比是说数据库市场吧。 : 还是MS VS SUN?
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x****o 发帖数: 29677 | 26
这是工业界做JAVA的观点,.net不能在unix上跑,大的企业级的web application都做
不了的
【在 P********e 的大作中提到】 : 你在学校看到的和工业界其实有差别的
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v******d 发帖数: 1322 | 27 谁说.net不能在unix上跑? 没听说过mono project?
不管能不能在unix上跑, .net在desktop的应用上已经超越java几条街了,
在服务器web application上两者的竞争很激烈, 一时间两者谁胜谁负还不清楚
【在 x****o 的大作中提到】 : : 这是工业界做JAVA的观点,.net不能在unix上跑,大的企业级的web application都做 : 不了的
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x****o 发帖数: 29677 | 28
恩,你是对的,算我没说
【在 v******d 的大作中提到】 : 谁说.net不能在unix上跑? 没听说过mono project? : 不管能不能在unix上跑, .net在desktop的应用上已经超越java几条街了, : 在服务器web application上两者的竞争很激烈, 一时间两者谁胜谁负还不清楚
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a*****0 发帖数: 6788 | 29
这个是不是就是传说中阴文的 I stand corrected. :)
【在 x****o 的大作中提到】 : : 恩,你是对的,算我没说
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g*****g 发帖数: 34805 | 30 没听说过哪个大项目用mono,写个前端可能问题不大。
在服务器端要维护几年的项目,就是另一回事了。
【在 v******d 的大作中提到】 : 谁说.net不能在unix上跑? 没听说过mono project? : 不管能不能在unix上跑, .net在desktop的应用上已经超越java几条街了, : 在服务器web application上两者的竞争很激烈, 一时间两者谁胜谁负还不清楚
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q*********u 发帖数: 280 | 32 .net 火就火在市场上许多用.net的网站的前端look and feel弄的越来越好了,v
s2010新建web 项目上来就结合jquery,这么多jquery的 open
src, 都超级pp。
jsf 和struts嘛,默认的界面都不能看,花好多功夫做look and feel
好在struts2也整合jquery.
另外一个, 不得不提ajax, 为了节约学习世界,大家都喜欢更加方便支持ajax的
framework。
超级公司的网站,他们有各种各有自己实际情况的考虑,比如银行用unix多点,那就
j2ee了,很多博彩公司的网站,aspx,花哨的不得了。
不能说java就被.net击败了,真要这么说,那php击败谁了。
来一个肤浅的理解,后台上,公司有什么样的机器和系统,就用什么样的技术, 当然
开发起来要越便宜越好,越快越好,越漂亮越好。
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b********p 发帖数: 875 | 33 所以说你们要体谅老刑
【在 q*********u 的大作中提到】 : .net 火就火在市场上许多用.net的网站的前端look and feel弄的越来越好了,v : s2010新建web 项目上来就结合jquery,这么多jquery的 open : src, 都超级pp。 : jsf 和struts嘛,默认的界面都不能看,花好多功夫做look and feel : 好在struts2也整合jquery. : 另外一个, 不得不提ajax, 为了节约学习世界,大家都喜欢更加方便支持ajax的 : framework。 : 超级公司的网站,他们有各种各有自己实际情况的考虑,比如银行用unix多点,那就 : j2ee了,很多博彩公司的网站,aspx,花哨的不得了。 : 不能说java就被.net击败了,真要这么说,那php击败谁了。
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d********u 发帖数: 5383 | 34 win2k是小众产品?
JOKE版原来转移到这里了。。。
【在 w*******d 的大作中提到】 : 那个算NT系的,小众产品
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d********u 发帖数: 5383 | 35 好虫你对商业还真是一窍不通呀...
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : For J2EE vs. .Net, both are for enterprise applications, : and architecture wise, they are similar. Java features cross : platform, have a much larger open source community, and : have a longer history. .Net on the other hand, is controlled : by one company and arguably have better IDE. : My opinion is that both will exist for a long time. But the fact : that .net doesn't run on *nix system is a big no for many companies. : And for that reason alone, we'll continue to see most mid-large : enterprise application
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g*****g 发帖数: 34805 | 36 Not sure what you mean, I am pretty keen on technology advancement
and I am always one step ahead in looking for new skills for my career.
【在 d********u 的大作中提到】 : 好虫你对商业还真是一窍不通呀...
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d********u 发帖数: 5383 | 37 我来多废话2句吧。我的意思是,在商业上考虑一个项目,技术从来就不是先考虑的问
题。资金,资源,产品周期,发布。。。这么说吧,技术根本就不被考虑。IT这个行当
,时间尤为重要。所以,开发上是怎么快怎么来。什么用J2EE还是。NET根本就无所谓
,完全由前面那些因素决定。SharePoint10分钟搭出一平台,你唧唧歪歪非搞什么狗屁
J2EE,怕公司死得不够快嘛?
做技术的可能很少有机会参与这些事。不过,如果你在做技术的时候不会考虑这些,你
永远只是一个下层打杂的。比如说,给你一个项目让你规划,你上来就谈“我们来搞
J2EE+GP模式”,你恐怕就呆在什么lead这个职位上到退休了。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : Not sure what you mean, I am pretty keen on technology advancement : and I am always one step ahead in looking for new skills for my career.
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