c***i
发帖数: 206 | 1 Date: May 14, 2011 Saturday
Place: Fremont Middle School
28855 N. Fremont Center Road, Mundelein, IL 60060
Format: Round-Robins within groups then Playoffs
Roster limitation: Max 10 players to sign up
One non-Asian player is allowed to play in the
court any time.
Game Time: 12 + 12 min. (tentative)
Licensed refs will officiate all games
Award: Trophies + medals to the top winners
Sign Up Due Date: May 4, 2011 Wednesday
Sign Up Fee: $180 per team
$50 late fee extra after due date
Sign Up and Further Info: Please email to: i**[email protected]
Organizer: 美中华人康体文娱联会
Mid-America Chinese Recreation Org.
http://macrogroup.org |
a*******y
发帖数: 42 | 2 don't bother going if you are a serious player
they play HIGH SCHOOL RULES, which means no 24 or 30 sec. violation |
c***i
发帖数: 206 | 3 Hey dude,
This is not High School rules, these are basically tournaments rules being
adopted everywhere for any tournaments that have many games needed to play
continually in 1 day.
Using running clock instead of a stop clock here is apparently the most
important one. The major reason of taking this rule is to control the
tournament schedule on time. I guess you could image if stopping the clock
too many times in so many games, the last game could be easily many hours
late and it is out of control.
You could see more about these rules in this link:
http://www.inthezonesports.biz/pdf/Tournament%20info%202011.pdf
Rules are “dead” but players are “alive”. It is just a matter how you
adapt these rules and play smart.
As long as these rules are applied to every teams every players, then it is
a FAIR tournament to everyone. Right?
【在 a*******y 的大作中提到】
: don't bother going if you are a serious player
: they play HIGH SCHOOL RULES, which means no 24 or 30 sec. violation
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a*******y
发帖数: 42 | 4 it's against the spirit of competition
btw, i'm not that familiar with you, so, don't dude me
make sure you live your life at least for something
there are many leagues in the area that play REAL BASKETBALL
don't waste time on this crippled tournament
clock
【在 c***i 的大作中提到】
: Hey dude,
: This is not High School rules, these are basically tournaments rules being
: adopted everywhere for any tournaments that have many games needed to play
: continually in 1 day.
: Using running clock instead of a stop clock here is apparently the most
: important one. The major reason of taking this rule is to control the
: tournament schedule on time. I guess you could image if stopping the clock
: too many times in so many games, the last game could be easily many hours
: late and it is out of control.
: You could see more about these rules in this link:
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C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 5 This is interesting. 24s/30s violation is one topic, running clock vs stop
clock is another. I have played in leagues where running clock was employed,
but the 24s violation was also in effect.
IMO, a basketball game without 24s/30s rule is simply un-playable. Even in
high schools.
clock
【在 c***i 的大作中提到】
: Hey dude,
: This is not High School rules, these are basically tournaments rules being
: adopted everywhere for any tournaments that have many games needed to play
: continually in 1 day.
: Using running clock instead of a stop clock here is apparently the most
: important one. The major reason of taking this rule is to control the
: tournament schedule on time. I guess you could image if stopping the clock
: too many times in so many games, the last game could be easily many hours
: late and it is out of control.
: You could see more about these rules in this link:
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k******n
发帖数: 1265 | 6 Totally agree with u
played in this tournament last year, dragons led by 3 with 5 mins left,
they were holding the ball since, only took 1 shot in last 5 mins. u cant
really foul them either.
suck a waste of time....
【在 a*******y 的大作中提到】
: it's against the spirit of competition
: btw, i'm not that familiar with you, so, don't dude me
: make sure you live your life at least for something
: there are many leagues in the area that play REAL BASKETBALL
: don't waste time on this crippled tournament
:
: clock
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r***n
发帖数: 82 | 7 first time i ever heard basketball game without 24s/30s rule, i am wondering
the final scores for a 12+12 min game without such rules...2pts by free
throws? haha |
T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 8 你太年轻了。
或者你不是从中国来的。中国正规比赛采用时间限制都没有多长的历史。
自己去放狗吧。
不好意思，BSO是你的大叔。
wondering
【在 r***n 的大作中提到】
: first time i ever heard basketball game without 24s/30s rule, i am wondering
: the final scores for a 12+12 min game without such rules...2pts by free
: throws? haha
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V*H
发帖数: 1301 | 9 什么逻辑
与时俱进，这四个字懂不懂？
是不是bso你白活了？
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 你太年轻了。
: 或者你不是从中国来的。中国正规比赛采用时间限制都没有多长的历史。
: 自己去放狗吧。
: 不好意思，BSO是你的大叔。
:
: wondering
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c***i
发帖数: 206 | 10 I will ensure we will have the shot clock violation this year.
Difficult to do this last year as no such timer control in scoreboard. |
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T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 11 first time i ever heard basketball game without 24s/30s rule,
俺没别的意思，就针对这句话。
这是你马甲？看你激动的。
【在 V*H 的大作中提到】
: 什么逻辑
: 与时俱进，这四个字懂不懂？
: 是不是bso你白活了？
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V*H
发帖数: 1301 | 12 是个人就知道是不是我马甲
看看你自己激动的
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: first time i ever heard basketball game without 24s/30s rule,
: 俺没别的意思，就针对这句话。
: 这是你马甲？看你激动的。
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T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 13 你赢了，行了吧？
【在 V*H 的大作中提到】
: 是个人就知道是不是我马甲
: 看看你自己激动的
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d********A
发帖数: 121 | 14 怎么这么不友好？
Comet，你们在芝加哥打球一般什么氛围？
“i'm not that familiar with you, so, don't dude me”“是不是bso你白活了？”
这种serious的player多么？ |
a*******y
发帖数: 42 | 15 你来说说友好跟ｓｅｒｉｏｕｓ ｐｌａｙｅｒ有什么联系？
【在 d********A 的大作中提到】
: 怎么这么不友好？
: Comet，你们在芝加哥打球一般什么氛围？
: “i'm not that familiar with you, so, don't dude me”“是不是bso你白活了？”
: 这种serious的player多么？
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C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 16 我觉得吧 LZ既然是有组织还收费的 那么人家交了钱 期望值高一点那也是正常的
有些人对规则不满 自然是有意见了 篮球本来是挺热血的一运动 有点emotional情有可
原
至于我自己现在都是到处打野球了 赫赫
【在 d********A 的大作中提到】
: 怎么这么不友好？
: Comet，你们在芝加哥打球一般什么氛围？
: “i'm not that familiar with you, so, don't dude me”“是不是bso你白活了？”
: 这种serious的player多么？
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d********A
发帖数: 121 | 17 没联系。我喜欢场上打球较真的，拿球技压人一头。不过常打球的中国人就那么多，场
下大家都客客气气的，基本都是朋友。
你喜欢打球的话，估计早晚能遇到一起，到时候可以切磋切磋。
【在 a*******y 的大作中提到】
: 你来说说友好跟ｓｅｒｉｏｕｓ ｐｌａｙｅｒ有什么联系？
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d********A
发帖数: 121 | 18 你们不是有组织的么，组织解散了？
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得吧 LZ既然是有组织还收费的 那么人家交了钱 期望值高一点那也是正常的
: 有些人对规则不满 自然是有意见了 篮球本来是挺热血的一运动 有点emotional情有可
: 原
: 至于我自己现在都是到处打野球了 赫赫
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a*******y
发帖数: 42 | 19 exactly，大家付了钱的，至少得有个进攻限制吧，没有24s/30s，叫什么比赛？而且这
个问题不是一两个人提，提了不是一两年了。一定要等到大家都不爽了，不参加了，才
肯改。
如果没有进攻时限，大家自觉也就好了，偏偏就有人不自觉，比如那个dragon队，这样一来，大家都到前场传球玩，那还有什么意思？
【在 d********A 的大作中提到】
: 你们不是有组织的么，组织解散了？
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C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 20 我的组织是民间的松散的非常不规范的经常有路人甲乱入的有时打不爽了直接和旁边老
美一起玩儿去了的
和LZ这种不是一个档次得
【在 d********A 的大作中提到】
: 你们不是有组织的么，组织解散了？
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d********A
发帖数: 121 | 21 他们这个钱是收的不少，一天的比赛一个队180，盈利性质的？
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: 我的组织是民间的松散的非常不规范的经常有路人甲乱入的有时打不爽了直接和旁边老
: 美一起玩儿去了的
: 和LZ这种不是一个档次得
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c***i
发帖数: 206 | 22 No. it is not. Also, all staffs including the score-board controllers,
score sheet keepers etc. are just volunteers without pay.
The licensed referees are needed to pay though.
Yet the most costly item is the gym rental. If you happen to find one with
2~3 basketball courts and the rental can be under $1000 per day, please let
me know. I have tried very hard to secure the gym this year.
【在 d********A 的大作中提到】
: 他们这个钱是收的不少，一天的比赛一个队180，盈利性质的？
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h********g
发帖数: 187 | 23 cm如果有24秒或者30秒，我也想组织个队参加。今年MARCO自己有队吗？或者我可以加
入MARCO。
DRAGON确实挺过分的，我现在打的比赛也有这种无赖队，最后三分钟开始耗时间。不过
最后被绝杀了，笑死我了。 |
c***i
发帖数: 206 | 24 Both running clock and shot clock have been preferred since Day 1. It's
just most of the score boards have overall duration time only but not this
shot clock timer.
As far as I understand, Macro has no basketball team for years. Feel free
to make your own team.
I would say, this kind of 无赖队 is everywhere. Possibly all leading teams
will do that, I am afraid. You could see this very common in soccer also.
They just try to hold the ball in corner and guard it. Really awkward.
【在 h********g 的大作中提到】
: cm如果有24秒或者30秒，我也想组织个队参加。今年MARCO自己有队吗？或者我可以加
: 入MARCO。
: DRAGON确实挺过分的，我现在打的比赛也有这种无赖队，最后三分钟开始耗时间。不过
: 最后被绝杀了，笑死我了。
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a*******y
发帖数: 42 | 25 there is no SHOT CLOCK for soccer, not in FIFA
but there is SHOT CLOCK for basketball
don't try to mis lead here
if i didn't read it wrong, you actually encouraged such 无赖/无赖队
quote
Rules are “dead” but players are “alive”. It is just a matter how you
adapt these rules and play smart.
un quote
teams
【在 c***i 的大作中提到】
: Both running clock and shot clock have been preferred since Day 1. It's
: just most of the score boards have overall duration time only but not this
: shot clock timer.
: As far as I understand, Macro has no basketball team for years. Feel free
: to make your own team.
: I would say, this kind of 无赖队 is everywhere. Possibly all leading teams
: will do that, I am afraid. You could see this very common in soccer also.
: They just try to hold the ball in corner and guard it. Really awkward.
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C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 26 c'mon, there's a reason why soccer games don't have a shot clock while
basketball games do
If you have decided to listen to people's feedback and incorporate shot
clock - which is a good step - then don't defend the past absence of the
clock any more. These suggestions - while might be born and presented out of
disappointment and frustation at first - will eventually make your games
better and help you earn a better reputation.
teams
【在 c***i 的大作中提到】
: Both running clock and shot clock have been preferred since Day 1. It's
: just most of the score boards have overall duration time only but not this
: shot clock timer.
: As far as I understand, Macro has no basketball team for years. Feel free
: to make your own team.
: I would say, this kind of 无赖队 is everywhere. Possibly all leading teams
: will do that, I am afraid. You could see this very common in soccer also.
: They just try to hold the ball in corner and guard it. Really awkward.
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c***i
发帖数: 206 | 27 I do not encourage this kind of play.
What I meant was, as the rules had been set like that to all teams, players
should live with it, be flexible to adapt it and play.
For example, one can make a foul, let the opponent team shoot the free throw
(s) and change possession.
On the other hand, I just made an remark that this kind of play was very
common both in soccer and basketball. No matter under what the rule it is,
the leading teams always try to do this kind of play.
True that it is against the spirit of competition. I don't like it either
and will try to ‘fix’ it.
And, as clearly stated in our home page http://macrogroup.org, the ultimate goals of the tournament, is not to find out whom the winners are, but to provide a gathering opportunity for those players with a common interest to share fun and make friends. Unfortunately not everything would come out right. At this point, I thus feel very sorry that you are still unhappy even after such long one year.
This message will be my last reply on this conversation. I will just move
on and hope you could stay cool and let go.
【在 a*******y 的大作中提到】
: there is no SHOT CLOCK for soccer, not in FIFA
: but there is SHOT CLOCK for basketball
: don't try to mis lead here
: if i didn't read it wrong, you actually encouraged such 无赖/无赖队
: quote
: Rules are “dead” but players are “alive”. It is just a matter how you
: adapt these rules and play smart.
: un quote
:
: teams
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a*******y
发帖数: 42 | 28 again, there is no SHOT CLOCK in soccer (FIFA) but there is in basketball (
FIBA and NBA).
which part you don't understand?
guess what, not many players would make friends with those dragons.
yeah, it's been a long year, but the problem has been there even longer, as the organizer, it simply won't do you any good, turning a blind eye on this and trying to excuse yourself for not doing anything for the past several years.
players
throw
,
【在 c***i 的大作中提到】
: I do not encourage this kind of play.
: What I meant was, as the rules had been set like that to all teams, players
: should live with it, be flexible to adapt it and play.
: For example, one can make a foul, let the opponent team shoot the free throw
: (s) and change possession.
: On the other hand, I just made an remark that this kind of play was very
: common both in soccer and basketball. No matter under what the rule it is,
: the leading teams always try to do this kind of play.
: True that it is against the spirit of competition. I don't like it either
: and will try to ‘fix’ it.
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r***n
发帖数: 82 | 29 看来在组织个球赛还真不容易，组织者也挺难的了，一天内要完成那么多场次。
还是在学校期间参加学校本科生的Intramural 过瘾。标准规则，正规裁判，我们几个
老中PhD学生组队，最好成绩是前八强，后来被一伙大壮给灭了。我178CM,是首发阵容
个头最低的，3个1米9多的。跟美国本科生搞感觉更有意思，球风也好，超级怀念啊、
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a*******y
发帖数: 42 | 30 是不是你手受伤了？
组织当然不容易。但要make sure 无赖队能打高兴了更不容易。
【在 r***n 的大作中提到】
: 看来在组织个球赛还真不容易，组织者也挺难的了，一天内要完成那么多场次。
: 还是在学校期间参加学校本科生的Intramural 过瘾。标准规则，正规裁判，我们几个
: 老中PhD学生组队，最好成绩是前八强，后来被一伙大壮给灭了。我178CM,是首发阵容
: 个头最低的，3个1米9多的。跟美国本科生搞感觉更有意思，球风也好，超级怀念啊、
: 、、
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a*******y
发帖数: 42 | 31 and you want to "for example"?
alright, let's work on it. "one can make a foul", but don't forget, the
clock still runs, it takes 无赖s another minute to shoot two free throws.
does it make any difference?
this issue was also brought up two years ago and was ignored by the organizers
players complained about again it last year. the organizers agreed at first to stop clock 2 minutes count down and then ruled it out because there was not enough time left for the day.
players
throw
,
【在 c***i 的大作中提到】
: I do not encourage this kind of play.
: What I meant was, as the rules had been set like that to all teams, players
: should live with it, be flexible to adapt it and play.
: For example, one can make a foul, let the opponent team shoot the free throw
: (s) and change possession.
: On the other hand, I just made an remark that this kind of play was very
: common both in soccer and basketball. No matter under what the rule it is,
: the leading teams always try to do this kind of play.
: True that it is against the spirit of competition. I don't like it either
: and will try to ‘fix’ it.
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