g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 1 Anne McDermott had braced herself for a big increase in the property taxes
on her Near South Side town home, but when she opened the bill last month,
she was still taken aback.
She'd figured a boost of maybe $550 on the $4,214 she paid last year. That's
a jump of about 13 percent, the average increase on Chicago property tax
bills for 2016. But McDermott's bill went up by nearly $1,360 — more than
32 percent.
It was the result of being hit with a double whammy: Not only were huge tax
hikes by City Hall and Chicago Public Schools taking effect, but the taxman
came as he does every three years and reassessed the value of McDermott's
home. And he concluded it was worth a whopping 31 percent more.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-chicago-property-tax-double-whammy-met-20160731-story.html | g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 2 *** Group warns of more property tax hikes for teacher pensions ***
Mayor Rahm Emanuel has agreed to impose a $250 million property tax increase
for teacher pensions on the heels of the largest property tax hike in
Chicago history.
But that could be only the beginning of the hits Chicago homeowners and
businesses will have to take.
After evaluating data on 25,000 pension recipients, Taxpayers United of
America warned Thursday that Chicagoans could be “taxed out of their homes
to prop up” a Chicago Teachers Pension Fund with more than $10 billion in
unfunded liabilities and nearly 33 percent more retirees than it had a
decade ago.
Last year, 28,114 beneficiaries together collected $1.3 billion in pensions
from the teachers fund.
The average retirement age was 61. The average annual pension was $51,454
compared with a median household income in Chicago of $47,831.
But 974 of those teacher pensions topped $100,000. Another 14,420 teachers
and administrators received retirement checks that exceeded $50,000.
Former Chicago Schools Supt. Manford Byrd was identified as the pension
kingpin, the study shows.
He collects an annual pension of $190,634 — with an estimated lifetime
payout of more than $2.5 million — even after paying just $126,561 into the
fund during his long career with the Chicago Public Schools.
The highest estimated lifetime payout of more than $6.1 million will go to
Kevin Huber, former executive director of the Chicago Teachers Pension Fund.
Huber gets an annual pension check of $91,541. During the course of his
career, he made $235,332 in pension contributions, only 4 percent of his “
lifetime payout,” the study shows.
Yet another example is former Deputy Supt. Robert Saddler. He has collected
$2.17 million in pensions since retiring in 1993 at the age of 59. His
annual check is $169,225. That’s $60,890 more than the $108,335 in
contributions Saddler made to the teachers pension fund during his career,
the study shows.
Jared Labell, executive director of Taxpayers United, noted that the $588
million property tax increase for police and fire pensions and school
construction approved last fall is being phased in over four years.
“Combine those scheduled increases with other proposed property tax hikes
for teacher pensions and other city employees and the result is a toxic
blend of bad news for Chicago’s finances and taxpayers,” Labell said in a
news release.
“Taxpayers are understandably shocked by the first round of tax hikes
appearing on their property tax bills this summer. Unfortunately, those
bills will grow exponentially worse if no action is taken. Taxpayers must
demand accountability from CPS, the Chicago Teachers Union, the Chicago City
Council and Mayor Emanuel. If we do not act now, taxpayers risk being taxed
out of their homes to prop up the city’s insolvent teachers pension fund.”
Emanuel is still trying to negotiate a contract with the Chicago Teachers
Union that includes the equivalent of a 7 percent pay cut.
Teachers have threatened to strike for the second time in four years to
maintain the so-called “pension pickup” granted to teachers years ago in
lieu of a pay raise.
But Labell maintained that the $250 million property tax increase for
teacher pensions that Emanuel agreed to impose in exchange for a $600
million state bailout for CPS “does nothing to solve the fundamental
problem.”
“These pensions are unsustainable. To fully fund these pensions, the
Chicago City Council would have to drastically raise property taxes far
beyond the historic increases they have already approved. However,
bankrupting taxpayers and driving property owners out of Chicago is no
solution to this financial mess,” he said.
Teachers union spokeswoman Stephanie Gadlin could not be reached for comment
about the Taxpayers United study.
The union has been pressuring Emanuel to propose an array of local tax
increases to fund CPS. The mayor has been unwilling to entertain them for
fear that it would let Gov. Bruce Rauner and the Illinois General Assembly
off the hook.
The most recent comprehensive financial report of the teachers pension fund
shows that government pension payments have increased by 73 percent over the
last decade — from $751 million in 2006 to $1.3 billion last year. The
number of retirees has increased by nearly 33 percent over the same period.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/group-warns-of-more-property-tax-hikes-for-teacher-pensions/ | a*****g
发帖数: 19398 | 3 assess这一招就是变着法收钱
's
tax
taxman
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: Anne McDermott had braced herself for a big increase in the property taxes
: on her Near South Side town home, but when she opened the bill last month,
: she was still taken aback.
: She'd figured a boost of maybe $550 on the $4,214 she paid last year. That's
: a jump of about 13 percent, the average increase on Chicago property tax
: bills for 2016. But McDermott's bill went up by nearly $1,360 — more than
: 32 percent.
: It was the result of being hit with a double whammy: Not only were huge tax
: hikes by City Hall and Chicago Public Schools taking effect, but the taxman
: came as he does every three years and reassessed the value of McDermott's
| c*******7
发帖数: 2506 | 4 逃离芝加哥，就在明年。
increase
homes
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: *** Group warns of more property tax hikes for teacher pensions ***
: Mayor Rahm Emanuel has agreed to impose a $250 million property tax increase
: for teacher pensions on the heels of the largest property tax hike in
: Chicago history.
: But that could be only the beginning of the hits Chicago homeowners and
: businesses will have to take.
: After evaluating data on 25,000 pension recipients, Taxpayers United of
: America warned Thursday that Chicagoans could be “taxed out of their homes
: to prop up” a Chicago Teachers Pension Fund with more than $10 billion in
: unfunded liabilities and nearly 33 percent more retirees than it had a
| t********r
发帖数: 620 | 5 我看到60601的15年直接涨了33%,我是不是就不用买房了？
's
tax
taxman
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: Anne McDermott had braced herself for a big increase in the property taxes
: on her Near South Side town home, but when she opened the bill last month,
: she was still taken aback.
: She'd figured a boost of maybe $550 on the $4,214 she paid last year. That's
: a jump of about 13 percent, the average increase on Chicago property tax
: bills for 2016. But McDermott's bill went up by nearly $1,360 — more than
: 32 percent.
: It was the result of being hit with a double whammy: Not only were huge tax
: hikes by City Hall and Chicago Public Schools taking effect, but the taxman
: came as he does every three years and reassessed the value of McDermott's
| w*******g
发帖数: 9932 | 6 问题是去哪里
郊区税更高
芝加哥市区的地产税算是很低的
【在 c*******7 的大作中提到】
: 逃离芝加哥，就在明年。
:
: increase
: homes
| c*******7
发帖数: 2506 | 7 北卡。不怕热的去AZ。
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: 问题是去哪里
: 郊区税更高
: 芝加哥市区的地产税算是很低的
| w*******g
发帖数: 9932 | 8 疯了
这也太远了
【在 c*******7 的大作中提到】
: 北卡。不怕热的去AZ。
| a***x
发帖数: 26368 | 9 谁搬走还会回来啊。lol
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: 疯了
: 这也太远了
| k****e
发帖数: 2758 | 10 您孤陋寡闻了
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: 谁搬走还会回来啊。lol
| | | O*********c
发帖数: 2309 | | g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 12
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**** Chicago Mayor is seeking higher utility taxes ***
August 03, 2016
Emanuel pushes for another pension-plugging tax hike
(Bloomberg)—Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel is seeking higher utility taxes to
keep the city's largest pension fund from running out of money and set all
four retirement plans on a path to solvency.
The city wants to raise the levies on water and sewer bills to shore up the
Municipal Employees' Annuity and Benefit Fund of Chicago, the most
underfunded of the four pensions, and Emanuel planned to discuss the hike
today at an investor conference in Chicago, according to a person familiar
with the plan who declined to be named before the mayor's announcement.
Without changes, the pension that serves more than 70,000 workers and
retirees is on track to run out of money within a decade...
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20160803/NEWS02/160809934/rahm-emanuel-wants-another-chicago-tax-hike-to-avert-insolvency-for
【在 O*********c 的大作中提到】
: 威州很低了
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 13
根据美国金融资讯网站“市场观察”最近的报道，芝加哥市的6个养老金计划实际只有
40%的资金支持。新泽西州的情况也不乐观，资金支持率仅为51.5%。根据穆迪此前发布
的研究报告，美国25个最大的公共养老基金面临大约2万亿美元的资金缺口。
眼下，芝加哥及其所在的伊利诺伊州是全美养老金债务危机最为深重的地区。算上养老
金，目前芝加哥平均每户家庭负债约为8.4万美元。由于不断扩大的公共养老金缺口和
其他公共债务，国际信用评级机构穆迪此前将芝加哥政府债券评级下调至Ba1，成为垃
圾级，在全美主要城市中垫底。
【在 c*******7 的大作中提到】
: 北卡。不怕热的去AZ。
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 14
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Congress can solve Illinois' pension crisis
Most people don't care whether pensions are underfunded. After all,
retirement is far in the future. But if their income taxes are going to go
up because state pensions are underfunded — that's another story.
One advantage Illinois has is that the state has a low individual income tax
rate. But now some legislators want to raise it from 3.75 percent to a max
of 9.75 percent. That would be the fourth highest individual income tax rate
after California, Oregon and Minnesota.
This tax hike is proposed partly because unfunded liabilities for Illinois'
pension plans stood at $111 billion for fiscal year 2015, and shortfalls
have grown faster than the state's ability to fund them. Liabilities
increased by more than 450 percent between 1999 and 2013 after adjusting for
inflation. For fiscal year 2016, $7.6 billion is scheduled to be
transferred into state pension funds.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-illinois-pensions-bankruptcy-congress-retirement-perspec-0429-jm-20160427-story.html
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
:
: 根据美国金融资讯网站“市场观察”最近的报道，芝加哥市的6个养老金计划实际只有
: 40%的资金支持。新泽西州的情况也不乐观，资金支持率仅为51.5%。根据穆迪此前发布
: 的研究报告，美国25个最大的公共养老基金面临大约2万亿美元的资金缺口。
: 眼下，芝加哥及其所在的伊利诺伊州是全美养老金债务危机最为深重的地区。算上养老
: 金，目前芝加哥平均每户家庭负债约为8.4万美元。由于不断扩大的公共养老金缺口和
: 其他公共债务，国际信用评级机构穆迪此前将芝加哥政府债券评级下调至Ba1，成为垃
: 圾级，在全美主要城市中垫底。
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 15 新出炉的「世界百万富翁迁移报告」(Millionaire migration in 2015)显示，芝加哥
仅次于巴黎、罗马，名列2015年百万富翁搬离最多城市第三。
Millionaires are leaving Chicago more than any other city in the United
States on a net basis, according to a new report.
About 3,000 individuals with net assets of $1 million or more, not including
their primary residence, moved from the city last year, with many citing
rising racial tensions and worries about crime as factors in the decision,
according to research firm New World Wealth. That represented about 2
percent of the city's high net worth individuals.
Cities in the United States that saw a net inflow of millionaires included
Seattle and San Francisco.
Chicago was among four cities worldwide with the biggest flight of
millionaires.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-chicago-losing-millionaires-0405-biz-20160404-story.html
------------------------
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/millionaire-erevna.pdf
Here, Chicago is 大芝加哥. (pg. 3)
Cities ranked by millionaire outflows, 2015
Country Outflow of millionaires in 2015 Millionaires, 2015 % lost
-------------
Paris 7,000 126,000 6%
Rome 5,000 73,100 7%
Chicago 3,000 134,000 2%
Athens 2,000 22,000 9%
------------------------------
Cities with the most $ millionaires*
2012, number
City Millionaires Multi-millionaires† Billionaires Total
population, m
Chicago 106,800 804 15 8.7
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/05/daily-chart-7 | g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 16
including
Illinois Cracking Under Weight Of Public Pensions
Seated in his office in Chicago, wearing neither a necktie nor a frown,
Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner is remarkably relaxed for someone at the
epicenter of a crisis now in its second year and with no end in sight. But,
then, stress is pointless when the situation is hopeless. Besides, if you
can ignore the fact that self-government is failing in the nation's fifth-
most populous state, you can see real artistry in the self-dealing by the
Democrats who, with veto-proof majorities in the state Legislature, have
reduced this state they control to insolvency.
Illinois' government, says Rauner, "is run for the benefit of its employees.
" Increasingly, it is run for their benefit when they retire. Pension
promises, though unfunded by at least $113 billion, are one reason some
government departments are not digitized at all.
What is misleadingly called the state's Constitution requires balanced
budgets, of which there have been none for 25 years. This year, revenues are
projected to be $32.5 billion, with spending of $38 billion. Illinois
Democrats are, however, selective constitutionalists: They will die in the
last ditch defending the constitution's provision that says no government
pension can be "diminished or impaired."
The government is so thoroughly unionized (22 unions represent almost all
government employees), that "I can't," Rauner says, "turn on a light switch
without permission." He exaggerates, somewhat, but the process of trying to
fire someone is a career, not an option.
At last count, $7.6 billion was owed to many of the state's vendors. But the
law in its majesty requires that the state's legislators — those who write
the laws — get paid under any circumstances. This removes perhaps the most
important potential pressure for compromise. If schools were unable to open
this month, parents with pitchforks would march on Springfield, so a quasi-
budget was cobbled together to keep government semi-funded for six months.
......
Illinois is a leading indicator of increasing national childishness — an
unwillingness to will the means for the ends that it wills. Nationally,
state and local governments' pensions have somewhere between $1 trillion and
$4 trillion in unfunded pension liabilities, depending on, among other
things, assumptions about returns on pension funds' investments. The Wall
Street Journal reports that in 2001, the 20-year median return was 12.3
percent and every percentage-point decline in returns increases liabilities
by 12 percent.
Last year, the largest fund, California Public Employees' Retirement System,
which assumes 7.5 percent returns, instead gained 0.6 percent. This, in the
sixth year of the recovery from the 2008-09 crisis, was the worst
performance since then — and another recession will surely happen.
Nationally, neither party is eager to talk about the rickety structure of
the entitlement state, although the Democratic platform promises to make
matters worse. Although scheduled Social Security benefits vastly exceed the
value of worker and employer contributions plus interest, the platform, a
case study in reactionary liberalism, opposes even raising the retirement
age. This, even though benefits are available at 62, three years younger
than when the system was created in 1935, when life expectancy at 65 was 12.
5 years. Today, it is 19.3 years for men and 21.6 for women. If in 1935
Congress had indexed the age of Social Security eligibility to life
expectancy, the age today would be 72.
The federal government can continue to print money. There are bankruptcy
procedures for cities but not for states. So, high-tax Illinois will
continue bleeding the population and businesses, but with one contented
cohort — the Democratic political class, for whom the system is working
quite well.
http://www.courant.com/opinion/op-ed/hc-op-wire-will-illinois-dems-destroying-state-20160810-story.html
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: 新出炉的「世界百万富翁迁移报告」(Millionaire migration in 2015)显示，芝加哥
: 仅次于巴黎、罗马，名列2015年百万富翁搬离最多城市第三。
: Millionaires are leaving Chicago more than any other city in the United
: States on a net basis, according to a new report.
: About 3,000 individuals with net assets of $1 million or more, not including
: their primary residence, moved from the city last year, with many citing
: rising racial tensions and worries about crime as factors in the decision,
: according to research firm New World Wealth. That represented about 2
: percent of the city's high net worth individuals.
: Cities in the United States that saw a net inflow of millionaires included
| c*******7
发帖数: 2506 | 17 cracking cracking
芝加哥需要再来一把两百年前的大火，然后才能重生
,
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
:
: including
: Illinois Cracking Under Weight Of Public Pensions
: Seated in his office in Chicago, wearing neither a necktie nor a frown,
: Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner is remarkably relaxed for someone at the
: epicenter of a crisis now in its second year and with no end in sight. But,
: then, stress is pointless when the situation is hopeless. Besides, if you
: can ignore the fact that self-government is failing in the nation's fifth-
: most populous state, you can see real artistry in the self-dealing by the
: Democrats who, with veto-proof majorities in the state Legislature, have
| a***x
发帖数: 26368 | 18 失心疯的哪里都有
【在 k****e 的大作中提到】
: 您孤陋寡闻了
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 19
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为美国和全球股票投资者做深度分析和评论的24/7华尔街网站（http://www.247wallst.com）对美国各州的多项就业指标作了仔细研究，发现内华达州是美国找到全职工作最难的州，其就业不足率为13.1%，南达科塔州可以说是对寻工者最好的州，就业不足率仅为5.0%。
以下是最难和最容易找到全职工作的前10个州的排名。
最难找到全职工作的州
1、内华达州：
就业不足率13.1%；6月份失业率6.4%（全美第2高）；工资中位数33,700美元（全美倒
数第21位）；劳工增长0.9%（增长幅度倒数第22位）
......
10、伊利诺伊斯州：
就业不足率11.0%；6月份失业率6.2%（全美第3）；工资中位数37,320美元（全美第17
）；劳工增长1.9%（增长幅度第16 ）。与康州相同，伊利诺伊斯州的失业率也有所上
升，从去年同期的5.8%升至6.2%，是造成该州的劳工利用率不足的原因之一。
【在 c*******7 的大作中提到】
: cracking cracking
: 芝加哥需要再来一把两百年前的大火，然后才能重生
:
: ,
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 20
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孩子们去好大学的机会不是很好, 当然好过 AZ and FL, 没得比 北卡, MA
FL: (population M)
Population Ranked 3rd
• Total 20,271,272 (2015 est)[4]
---------
University of Florida
Gainesville, FL
#47 (tied), National Universities
University of Florida is a public institution
------------------
University of Miami
Coral Gables, FL
#51, National Universities
University of Miami is a private institution
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AZ: (population 6.7 M)
---
Arizona State University--Tempe
Tempe, AZ
#129 (tied), National Universities
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ
#121 (tied), National Universities
----------
NC: (population 10 M)
--------
Duke University
Durham, NC
#8, National Universities
University of North Carolina--Chapel Hill
Chapel Hill, NC
#30 (tied),
Wake Forest University
Winston-Salem, NC
#27 (tied), National Universities
------------------------------------
MA: 6.745 million (2014)
------------------------------
National Universities
Harvard University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
#27 Tufts University
#30 Boston College
#34 Brandeis University
#41 Boston University
#47 Northeastern University
#57 Worcester Polytechnic Institute
National Liberal Arts Colleges
#1 Williams College
#2 Amherst College
#4 Wellesley College
#14 Smith College
#32 College of the Holy Cross
#35 Mount Holyoke College
IL: 12.88 million (2014)
NWU
UC
UIUC
【在 c*******7 的大作中提到】
: 北卡。不怕热的去AZ。
| | | g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 21
public institution 录取高百分比本州子弟.
private institution : 录取高比例的本州子弟
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#27 Tufts University
Massachusetts (250) <=> Florida (31), Arizona (12),North Carolina (11),
Illinois (28),
MA: 250/6.7m = 37.3/m
FL: 31/20m = 1.55/m
AZ: 12/6.7m = 1.79/m
NC: 11/10m = 1.1/m
IL: 28/12.9m = 2.17/m
Geographic Distribution by State and US Territory
Alabama (2), Alaska (2), Arizona (12), California (126), Colorado (14),
Connecticut (72), Delaware (5), DC (5), Florida (31), Georgia (12), Hawaii (
5), Idaho (2), Illinois (28), Indiana (3), Iowa (1), Kansas (2), Kentucky (5
), Louisiana (1), Maine (23), Maryland (35), Massachusetts (250), Michigan (
10), Minnesota (16), Mississippi (3), Missouri (6), Montana (1), Nebraska (4
), Nevada (1), New Hampshire (31), New Jersey (103), New Mexico (3), New
York (162), North Carolina (11), Ohio (17), Oregon (8), Pennsylvania (43),
Puerto Rico (2), Rhode Island (13), South Carolina (2), South Dakota (1),
Tennessee (5), Texas (22), Utah (3), Vermont (19), Virginia (20), Washington
(24), West Virginia (2), Wisconsin (9)
http://admissions.tufts.edu/apply/enrolled-student-profile/
----------------------------------------
#2 Amherst College
Massachusetts 56 <=> Florida 8, Arizona 5, North Carolina 5, Illinois 15
MA: 56/6.7m = 8.36/m
FL: 8/20m = 0.4/m
AZ: 5/6.7m = 0.75/m
NC: 5/10m = 0.5/m
IL: 15/12.9m = 1.16/m
Arizona 5
California 59
Colorado 5
Connecticut 29
DC 1
Delaware 2
Florida 8
Georgia 7
Hawaii 2
Iowa 3
Illinois 15
Kentucky 2
Louisiana 3
Maine 1
Maryland 11
Massachusetts 56
Michigan 5
Minnesota 5
Mississippi 2
Missouri 1
Nevada 1
New Hampshire 2
New Jersey 28
New Mexico 1
New York 96
North Carolina 5
North Dakota 1
Ohio 7
Oregon 2
Pennsylvania 10
Puerto Rico 1
Rhode Island 1
South Carolina 2
Tennessee 2
Texas 11
Utah 1
Virginia 12
https://www.amherst.edu/media/view/445948
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
:
: -----------------
: 孩子们去好大学的机会不是很好, 当然好过 AZ and FL, 没得比 北卡, MA
: FL: (population M)
: Population Ranked 3rd
: • Total 20,271,272 (2015 est)[4]
: ---------
: University of Florida
: Gainesville, FL
: #47 (tied), National Universities
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 22
Detail:
新思维 -- 看著名私校錄取
http://bbs.wenxuecity.com/privateschool/2292226.html
麻州孩子何德何能, 有7倍伊州孩子的机会进入阿姆赫斯特.
有17倍伊州孩子的机会进入 #27 Tufts University
仅是因为他们住在麻州.
大陆北京的孩子有更多的机会进入清大, 仅是因为他们住在北京.
世界上，有公平的地方马？
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從芝加哥遷移到波士頓後，孩子們有更多的機會去top 私校
破死刀, 矽工, 軟工, 生物工, 化學工 記帳工任何地方是一樣的.
孩子機會不一樣
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到麻州去, 到波市去, 到名校多的地方去;
到麻州去, 到波市去 ,到孩子機會多的地方去.
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
:
: public institution 录取高百分比本州子弟.
: private institution : 录取高比例的本州子弟
: ------------
: #27 Tufts University
: Massachusetts (250) <=> Florida (31), Arizona (12),North Carolina (11),
: Illinois (28),
: MA: 250/6.7m = 37.3/m
: FL: 31/20m = 1.55/m
: AZ: 12/6.7m = 1.79/m
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 23 坐等MA, IL 网友评论
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The states with the largest estimated Chinese American populations,
according to both the 2010 Census, were
California (1,253,100; 3.4%),
New York (577,000; 3.0%),
Texas (157,000; 0.6%),
New Jersey (134,500; 1.5%),
Massachusetts (123,000; 1.9%),
Illinois (104,200; 0.8%),
Washington (94,200; 1.4%),
Pennsylvania (85,000; 0.7%),
Maryland (69,400; 1.2%),
Virginia (59,800; 0.7%), and Ohio (51,033; 0.5%).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Americans#Population_.281840.E2.80.
93present.29 | u******o
发帖数: 179 | 24 这个见仁见智，每个家庭的情况都不一样，不是太有可比性。麻州是平均教育水平高，
一大堆学校水平接近，难分高下。伊州就那么几所好学校，基本上就是跟本校的学生比
。要拼娃的当然去麻州，不想拼的在伊州也行。带着AP课的学分去UIUC的学会计，四年
硕士都毕业了，何必非去Tufts？
工作机会也是两边各有自己的领域，很多并不重叠。我即认识伊州去麻州的，也认识麻
州来伊州的。
麻州也是个能乱花钱的：
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/01/these-states-are-a-bigger-fiscal-mess-than-illinois.html | g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 25 private institution : 录取高比例的本州子弟
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#30 Boston College
Massachusetts (2451) <=> Florida (290), Arizona (41),North Carolina (36),
Illinois (275),
MA: 2451/6.7m = 365.82/m
FL: 290/20m = 14.5/m
AZ: 41/6.7m = 6.12/m
NC: 36/10m = 3.6/m
IL: 275/12.9m = 21.31 /m
geographic distribution of undergraduates
page 2
http://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/admission/undergrad/pdf/Bulletin11-12.pdf
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#8 Duke University
PROFILE OF THE
CLASS OF 2018
GEOGRAPHIC DISTRIBUTION
North Carolina............196
California ....................145
New York.....................138
Florida.........................136
Texas ...........................101
New Jersey.....................93
Virginia .........................71
Georgia..........................62
Connecticut...................51
Maryland.......................51
Pennsylvania..................44
Massachusetts................37
Illinois............................34
Colorado .......................33
Ohio ..............................32
South Carolina..............30
Arizona..........................24
Tennessee ......................23
Minnesota .....................21
Michigan .......................14
Washington ...................14
Missouri.........................13
Alabama........................12
Wisconsin ......................12
Indiana ..........................11
10 students or fewer:
Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, Guam, Hawaii,
Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine,
Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada,
New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota,
Oklahoma, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode
Island, Utah, Vermont, Washington, D.C.,
West Virginia
http://admissions.duke.edu/images/uploads/process/DukeClass2018Profile.pdf
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#9 UPENN class of 2019
http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/whatpennlooksfor/incoming-class-profile | g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 26 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jun 25 21:39:52 2014, 美东)
Population (m) | Duke(2014-17) | Upenn(2017)
------------------------------------------------
Massachusetts 6.7 | 181(27.0/m) | 85(12.9/m)
Connecticut 3.6 | 170(47.2/m) | 67(18.6/m)
New Jersey 8.9 | 368(41.3/m) | 221(24.8/m)
Maryland 5.9 | 203(34.4/m) | 78(13.2/m)
New York 19.6 | 582(29.7/m) | 299(15.3/m)
Pennsylvania 12.8 | 254(19.8/m) | 381(29.8/m)
Virginia 8.2 | 277(33.8/m) | 57(7.0/m)
North Carolina 9.8 | 800(81.6/m) | 28(2.9/m)
South Carolina 4.8 | 130(27.1/m) | 12(2.5/m)
Georgia 10.0 | 234(23.4/m) | 34(3.4/m)
Florida 19.6 | 504(25.7/m) | 104(5.3/m)
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Illinois 12.9 | 166(12.9/m) | 69(5.3/m)
===================================================
我們可以看出，Duke and Upenn 像其他的私立大學，招收更多的本州學生.
如果您遷移到馬薩諸塞州，你的孩子有更多的機會去在馬薩諸塞州頂尖大學,
還比在IL孩子多的機會去Duke and Upenn.
http://admissions.duke.edu/images/uploads/process/DukeClass2017Profile
.pdf
http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/incoming-class-profile | g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 27 坐等MA, IL 网友评论
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【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jun 25 21:39:52 2014, 美东)
: Population (m) | Duke(2014-17) | Upenn(2017)
: ------------------------------------------------
: Massachusetts 6.7 | 181(27.0/m) | 85(12.9/m)
: Connecticut 3.6 | 170(47.2/m) | 67(18.6/m)
: New Jersey 8.9 | 368(41.3/m) | 221(24.8/m)
: Maryland 5.9 | 203(34.4/m) | 78(13.2/m)
: New York 19.6 | 582(29.7/m) | 299(15.3/m)
: Pennsylvania 12.8 | 254(19.8/m) | 381(29.8/m)
: Virginia 8.2 | 277(33.8/m) | 57(7.0/m)
| d***a
发帖数: 13752 | 28 "麻州孩子何德何能, 有7倍伊州孩子的机会进入阿姆赫斯特.
有17倍伊州孩子的机会进入 #27 Tufts University
仅是因为他们住在麻州."
说实话，这个问题我没看懂。Amherst College位于麻州，
麻州的小孩去那里多一些，这不是很正常吗。
我相信西北大学里伊州的小孩肯定远多于麻州的小孩，那么，
伊州的小孩又何德何能，仅仅因为他们住在伊州。:)
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: 坐等MA, IL 网友评论
: ----------------------
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 29 哦，看来在不同州，有不同的机会去不同的顶尖大学.
Truth: 有更多的机会去同州的顶尖大学
Therefore, 麻州孩子有17倍伊州孩子的机会进入 #27 Tufts University and BC.
【在 d***a 的大作中提到】
: "麻州孩子何德何能, 有7倍伊州孩子的机会进入阿姆赫斯特.
: 有17倍伊州孩子的机会进入 #27 Tufts University
: 仅是因为他们住在麻州."
: 说实话，这个问题我没看懂。Amherst College位于麻州，
: 麻州的小孩去那里多一些，这不是很正常吗。
: 我相信西北大学里伊州的小孩肯定远多于麻州的小孩，那么，
: 伊州的小孩又何德何能，仅仅因为他们住在伊州。:)
| d***a
发帖数: 13752 | 30 看原文的逻辑，不太象。难道它的意思是，麻州孩子进入Tufts
和BC的机会，是伊州孩子进入西北和U Chicago的机会的17倍？
但西北和U Chicago的排名比Tufts和BC要高很多，这样比也
不太对。
实际上原文的文字不清楚，逻辑也比较混乱。
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: 哦，看来在不同州，有不同的机会去不同的顶尖大学.
: Truth: 有更多的机会去同州的顶尖大学
: Therefore, 麻州孩子有17倍伊州孩子的机会进入 #27 Tufts University and BC.
| | | g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 31
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文字不清楚，逻辑也比较混乱.
让我擦拭清楚.
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#27 Tufts University
Massachusetts (250) <=> Illinois (28),
MA: 250/6.7m = 37.3/m
IL: 28/12.9m = 2.17/m
37.3/2.17 = 17.1889
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#30 Boston College
Massachusetts (2451) <=> Illinois (275)
MA: 2451/6.7m = 365.82/m
IL: 275/12.9m = 21.31 /m
365.82/21.31 = 17.166588456
=======================
麻州孩子进入Tufts和BC的机会，是伊州孩子进入Tufts和BC的机会的17倍.
文字清楚，逻辑不乱 ....
【在 d***a 的大作中提到】
: 看原文的逻辑，不太象。难道它的意思是，麻州孩子进入Tufts
: 和BC的机会，是伊州孩子进入西北和U Chicago的机会的17倍？
: 但西北和U Chicago的排名比Tufts和BC要高很多，这样比也
: 不太对。
: 实际上原文的文字不清楚，逻辑也比较混乱。
| d***a
发帖数: 13752 | 32 "麻州孩子进入Tufts和BC的机会，是伊州孩子进入Tufts和BC的机会的17倍.
文字清楚，逻辑不乱 ...."
不客气地说，写那个原文的人，没受过基本的逻辑训练。
用同样的逻辑，也可以这么说："北京孩子进入北京理工大学的机会，是
上海孩子进入北京理工大学的十几倍"... 话可以这么说，可是这样说的
逻辑意义何在？
文字不清楚的地方，是“机会”这个词的含义是什么。真要对“机会”量化，
应该看有多少伊州孩子申请了Tufts，有多少人被录取，取两者的比率。
而不是象原文所说，拿在校生人数去除以州人口总数。
所以说，原文的文字不清楚，逻辑也混乱。
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
:
: ------------
: 文字不清楚，逻辑也比较混乱.
: 让我擦拭清楚.
: -----------
: #27 Tufts University
: Massachusetts (250) <=> Illinois (28),
: MA: 250/6.7m = 37.3/m
: IL: 28/12.9m = 2.17/m
: 37.3/2.17 = 17.1889
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 33
Good question.
你关于选择 sample space 的思维, 给人非常深刻的印象.
希望你获得的系统逻辑训练, 能告诉我们, 它是12倍, 14倍, 16倍 or 18倍.
"17倍"只是一个的估计值.
【在 d***a 的大作中提到】
: "麻州孩子进入Tufts和BC的机会，是伊州孩子进入Tufts和BC的机会的17倍.
: 文字清楚，逻辑不乱 ...."
: 不客气地说，写那个原文的人，没受过基本的逻辑训练。
: 用同样的逻辑，也可以这么说："北京孩子进入北京理工大学的机会，是
: 上海孩子进入北京理工大学的十几倍"... 话可以这么说，可是这样说的
: 逻辑意义何在？
: 文字不清楚的地方，是“机会”这个词的含义是什么。真要对“机会”量化，
: 应该看有多少伊州孩子申请了Tufts，有多少人被录取，取两者的比率。
: 而不是象原文所说，拿在校生人数去除以州人口总数。
: 所以说，原文的文字不清楚，逻辑也混乱。
| d***a
发帖数: 13752 | 34 12倍，14倍，还是18倍，重要吗。如果逻辑思维的方向错了，计算精确又有什么用呢。
你不必惊㤞，这只是大学工程学院最基本的训练。:) 再加上一点常识，Tufts并
不是真正的名校，它的学生地区分布情况说明不了什么。就象IIT，那里伊州孩子远多
于麻省孩子，并不能用来证明麻省孩子教育的机会就少了。
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
:
: Good question.
: 你关于选择 sample space 的思维, 给人非常深刻的印象.
: 希望你获得的系统逻辑训练, 能告诉我们, 它是12倍, 14倍, 16倍 or 18倍.
: "17倍"只是一个的估计值.
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 35
让网友们做出判断
让网友们做出判断
This example is interesting.
#27 Tufts University
#108 IIT
我不知道那些做排名的人得了多少逻辑训练.
【在 d***a 的大作中提到】
: 12倍，14倍，还是18倍，重要吗。如果逻辑思维的方向错了，计算精确又有什么用呢。
: 你不必惊㤞，这只是大学工程学院最基本的训练。:) 再加上一点常识，Tufts并
: 不是真正的名校，它的学生地区分布情况说明不了什么。就象IIT，那里伊州孩子远多
: 于麻省孩子，并不能用来证明麻省孩子教育的机会就少了。
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 36 以今年高考为例，在只有7.3万考生的北京，北大计划招录人数为614人。而作为人口大
省的河南、山东、四川、安徽、湖北、河北，参加高考人数为北京市的45.5倍，北大在
6省计划招生的总人数为409人，远不及北京一地招生人数。由于北京高考分数线低，北
京学生考上北大的几率是安徽考生的41倍，是广东考生的37.5倍，是贵州考生的35.4倍
，是河南考生的28倍（北大法学院教授张千帆在其研究课题“大学招生与宪法平等”中
所得结论）。
Statistics for the Class of 2019
http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/whatpennlooksfor/incoming-class-profile
CURRENT STUDENT PROFILE
Student Geographic Distribution (Class of 2015-2018)
http://admissions.duke.edu/images/uploads/process/DukeClass2018Profile.pdf | g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 37 [1] MOST public institution 录取高百分比本州子弟.
Percentage of Out-of-State Students at Public Universities
著名的公立大学
#20 University of California, Berkeley (Berkeley, CA): 11%
#23 University of California — Los Angeles (Los Angeles, CA): 7%
#26 *** University of Virginia (Charlottesville, VA): 27%
#29 *** University of Michigan — Ann Arbor (Ann Arbor, MI): 34%
#30 *** University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (Chapel Hill, NC): 18%
#36 *** Georgia Institute of Technology (Atlanta, GA): 29%
#37 University of California, Santa Barbara (Santa Barbara, CA): 3%
#39 University of California, Irvine (Irvine, CA): 1%
#39 University of California--San Diego ??
#41 University of California, Davis (Davis, CA): 3%
#41 University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign (Champaign, IL): 7%
#41 *** University of Wisconsin — Madison (Madison, WI): 34%
#47 University of Florida (Gainesville, FL): 3%
http://www.collegexpress.com/lists/list/percentage-of-out-of-state-students-at-public-universities/360/
[2] private institution : 录取高比例的本州子弟
*** Stanford
California (33.6%)
http://facts.stanford.edu/academics/class-of-2018-profile
*** UPENN
http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/apply/whatpennlooksfor/incoming-class-profile
*** Duke
http://admissions.duke.edu/images/uploads/process/DukeClass2018Profile.pdf
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MA: 6.745 million (2014)
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National Universities
### Harvard University
### Massachusetts Institute of Technology
#27 Tufts University
#30 Boston College
#34 Brandeis University
#41 Boston University
#47 Northeastern University
#57 Worcester Polytechnic Institute
National Liberal Arts Colleges
#1 Williams College
#2 Amherst College
#4 Wellesley College
#14 Smith College
#32 College of the Holy Cross
#35 Mount Holyoke College
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IL: 12.88 million (2014)
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NWU
UC | g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 38
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sample space:
(1) 州人口 (小弟使用)
(2) 州考生人数 (北大法学院教授张千帆使用)
(3) 多少州孩子申请 X univ (老兄建议)
用那些样本空间来估算倍数, 都是估计值.
如果相同的百分比，如, 10% MA and IL 州人口 是考生人数; 5% MA, IL 考生 申请 X
univ.
Those three 估计值 are the same.
if 10% MA and IL 州人口 是考生人数, (1) (2) 估计值 are the same
----------
*** "5% MA, IL 考生 申请 X univ." 距离是一个影响因素, 但是，如果说 X univ 是
非常有名, 影响小.
我想这就是为什么, 北大法学院教授张千帆 pick up 北大, not 北京理工大学
"北京学生考上北大的几率是安徽考生的41倍，是广东考生的37.5倍，... "
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"到麻州去, 到波市去 ,到孩子機會多的地方去." (1) (2) are useful.
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以上是一个,没受过基本逻辑训练 de 人 de 文字不清楚，逻辑也混乱 de 看法.
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: [1] MOST public institution 录取高百分比本州子弟.
: Percentage of Out-of-State Students at Public Universities
: 著名的公立大学
: #20 University of California, Berkeley (Berkeley, CA): 11%
: #23 University of California — Los Angeles (Los Angeles, CA): 7%
: #26 *** University of Virginia (Charlottesville, VA): 27%
: #29 *** University of Michigan — Ann Arbor (Ann Arbor, MI): 34%
: #30 *** University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (Chapel Hill, NC): 18%
: #36 *** Georgia Institute of Technology (Atlanta, GA): 29%
: #37 University of California, Santa Barbara (Santa Barbara, CA): 3%
| u******o
发帖数: 179 | 39 #41 University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign (Champaign, IL): 7%
所以说这个统计数字完全不靠谱。
Stevenson high 2015 共 952毕业生，申请UIUC人数：362 录取人数：312 实际入学
人数：142。
大部分申请的都录取了，只是人家嫌弃它排名太低，不肯去。
不过把黑人区那些不学习的小孩平均进去，就 7%了。 | u******o
发帖数: 179 | 40 说错了，可能是UIUC是个大校，招的人多，所以本州的人就显得少了。 | | | g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 41
*** Percentage of Out-of-State Students at Public Universities
------------------------------
在 UIUC 不同的 colleges 有很大的不同.
Engineering ... must go.
College of Engineering
ACT Score: 31-34
SAT Score (no writing): 1400-1530
TOEFL: 106-113
GPA: 3.68-4.00
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That means ...
25+% of freshmen admitted in "College of Engineering"..GPA 4.00!!!
That means ... 75% ... GPA > 3.68
That means ... 25+% ACT 34, 35, 36
That means ... 75+% ACT 31 - 36
--------------
These numbers show the middle 50% of freshmen admitted in Fall 2016, meaning
that 25% of students were below this range and 25% were above. Some
programs may have admitted at a more competitive level.
College of Agricultural, Consumer, & Environmental Sciences
ACT Score: 25-29
SAT Score (no writing): 1240-1400
TOEFL: 98-107
GPA: 3.22-3.79
College of Applied Health Sciences
ACT Score: 25-30
SAT Score (no writing): 1220-1400
TOEFL: 101-110
GPA: 3.32-3.76
College of Business
ACT Score: 28-32
SAT Score (no writing): 1320-1460
TOEFL: 103-110
GPA: 3.50-3.88
College of Education
ACT Score: 24-29
SAT Score (no writing): 1250-1400
TOEFL: 101-110
GPA: 3.20-3.68
College of Engineering
ACT Score: 31-34
SAT Score (no writing): 1400-1530
TOEFL: 106-113
GPA: 3.68-4.00
College of Fine + Applied Arts
ACT Score: 25-30
SAT Score (no writing): 1220-1380
TOEFL: 96-107
GPA: 3.05-3.67
College of Liberal Arts & Sciences
ACT Score: 27-32
SAT Score (no writing): 1350-1470
TOEFL: 103-110
GPA: 3.35-3.86
College of Media
ACT Score: 26-30
SAT Score (no writing): 1210-1390
TOEFL: 101-109
GPA: 3.14-3.68
Division of General Studies
ACT Score: 25-30
SAT Score (no writing): 1320-1420
TOEFL: 100-107
GPA: 3.10-3.65
https://admissions.illinois.edu/Apply/Freshman/profile
【在 u******o 的大作中提到】
: #41 University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign (Champaign, IL): 7%
: 所以说这个统计数字完全不靠谱。
: Stevenson high 2015 共 952毕业生，申请UIUC人数：362 录取人数：312 实际入学
: 人数：142。
: 大部分申请的都录取了，只是人家嫌弃它排名太低，不肯去。
: 不过把黑人区那些不学习的小孩平均进去，就 7%了。
| s**n
发帖数: 1412 | 42 真替你们俩捉急啊。一个说的不清楚，一个理解力太低。
他说的是UIUC外州学生占7%
【在 u******o 的大作中提到】
: #41 University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign (Champaign, IL): 7%
: 所以说这个统计数字完全不靠谱。
: Stevenson high 2015 共 952毕业生，申请UIUC人数：362 录取人数：312 实际入学
: 人数：142。
: 大部分申请的都录取了，只是人家嫌弃它排名太低，不肯去。
: 不过把黑人区那些不学习的小孩平均进去，就 7%了。
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 43
sample space:
(4) High school student enrollment
IL: 1,604,820
MA: 738,188
http://high-schools.com/
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#30 Boston College
Massachusetts (2451) <=> Illinois (275)
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sample space: (1) 州人口
MA: 2451/6.7m = 365.82/m
IL: 275/12.9m = 21.31 /m
365.82/21.31 = 17.166588456
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sample space: (4) High school student enrollment
MA: 2451/738k = 3.32/k
IL: 275/1,604k = 0.17/k
3.32/0.17 = 19.53
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北京学生考上北大的几率是安徽考生的41倍，是广东考生的37.5倍，是贵州考生的35.4倍
，是河南考生的28倍（北大法学院教授张千帆在其研究课题“大学招生与宪法平等”中
所得结论）。
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
:
: *** Percentage of Out-of-State Students at Public Universities
: ------------------------------
: 在 UIUC 不同的 colleges 有很大的不同.
: Engineering ... must go.
: College of Engineering
: ACT Score: 31-34
: SAT Score (no writing): 1400-1530
: TOEFL: 106-113
: GPA: 3.68-4.00
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 44
大哥, 这是小弟说不清楚. 请不要怪 uwocosco 理解力低.
uwocosco 理解力很不错. 在 mitbbs, uwocosco 理解力是top 10%.
【在 s**n 的大作中提到】
: 真替你们俩捉急啊。一个说的不清楚，一个理解力太低。
: 他说的是UIUC外州学生占7%
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 45
综上，这六所名校的本地生源比例排名如下：
1、浙江大学，41.1%
2、复旦大学，30.0%
3、南京大学，27.0%
4、武汉大学，25.9%
5、北京大学，13.2%
6、清华大学，9.6%
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天空下面, 所有的都差不多 ??
大概搜索了一下北京大学、清华大学、复旦大学、南京大学、浙江大学和武汉大学这六
所名校(注：之所以选这六所是因为名气够大同时这六所的信息最好找……有兴趣的网
友可以自己调查其他名校的数据)在本地招生的人数和全国范围招生人数的比例。这六
所都是全国名校，却运作模式相仿，都是本地和全国拨款共同支持。
结果如下：
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北京大学(本部)：
本部在北京计划招生256人，实招368人，全国计划招生2650人，实际录取2780人。
本地生源比例:
368/2780 = 13.2%
参考来源：
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=834759613
http://pkunews.pku.edu.cn/xwzh/2010-07/22/content_180188.htm
*注：之所以没有统计医学部是因为医学部的录取程序和本部是分开的，分数线都
不一样。
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清华大学
北京计划招生270人，实际招生~320人，全国计划招生3360人，实际招生3350人。
本地生源比例：
320/3350 = 9.6%
参考来源：
http://www.51edu.com/2009/0711/728747.html
http://100.tsinghua.edu.cn/thu100/infoSingleArticle.do?articleId=13474
http://news.tsinghua.edu.cn/new/readnews.php?id=23506
*注：清华大学很聪明，把网上的北京生源录取人数的新闻都和*谐了，所以没有找
到特别可信的数据，第一个引用网址如果有错误欢迎网友更新。通过这个数字算出来的
比例似乎比往年低，清华往年的北京生源比例大约为10%~12%，有兴趣的网友可以自己
求证。
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复旦大学
本地生源比例：
30%
参考来源：
http://edu.163.com/09/0815/08/5GOD45IM00293I50.html
*注：除北大清华外其他学校招生似乎尚未结束，这个数据是新闻里自己估算的，
在此直接引用，详情参考上面的网址。
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南京大学
江苏计划招生973人，全国计划招生3600人。
本地生源比例：
973/3600 = 27.0%
参考来源：
http://bkzs.nju.edu.cn/city/jiangsu.htm
http://www.schoolzs.com/html/gaokao/yxdt/putong/11439.html
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浙江大学
浙江计划招生2283人，全国计划招生~22200/4=5550人。
本地生源比例：
2283/5550 = 41.1%
参考来源：
http://bgpt.zdzsc.zju.edu.cn/news/127223338732130207.html
http://bgpt.zdzsc.zju.edu.cn/news/127615886855083892.html
*注：由于没有找到浙大招生总人数，故人数估计是把浙大本科生总人数/4。
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武汉大学
湖北计划招生2050人，全国计划招生7900人。
本地生源比例：
2050/7900 = 25.9%
参考来源：
http://xsjy.whu.edu.cn/zsjh/show.jsp
http://www.china.com.cn/info/zhuanti/09gaokao/2010-06/07/content_20199764.htm
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综上，这六所名校的本地生源比例排名如下：
1、浙江大学，41.1%
2、复旦大学，30.0%
3、南京大学，27.0%
4、武汉大学，25.9%
5、北京大学，13.2%
6、清华大学，9.6%
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: [1] MOST public institution 录取高百分比本州子弟.
: Percentage of Out-of-State Students at Public Universities
: 著名的公立大学
: #20 University of California, Berkeley (Berkeley, CA): 11%
: #23 University of California — Los Angeles (Los Angeles, CA): 7%
: #26 *** University of Virginia (Charlottesville, VA): 27%
: #29 *** University of Michigan — Ann Arbor (Ann Arbor, MI): 34%
: #30 *** University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (Chapel Hill, NC): 18%
: #36 *** Georgia Institute of Technology (Atlanta, GA): 29%
: #37 University of California, Santa Barbara (Santa Barbara, CA): 3%
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 46 以今年高考为例，在只有7.3万考生的北京，北大计划招录人数为614人。而作为人口大
省的河南、山东、四川、安徽、湖北、河北，参加高考人数为北京市的45.5倍，北大在
6省计划招生的总人数为409人，远不及北京一地招生人数。由于北京高考分数线低，北
京学生考上北大的几率是安徽考生的41倍，是广东考生的37.5倍，是贵州考生的35.4倍
，是河南考生的28倍（北大法学院教授张千帆在其研究课题“大学招生与宪法平等”中
所得结论）。
http://finance.sina.com.cn/roll/20140605/063019318322.shtml
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
:
: 综上，这六所名校的本地生源比例排名如下：
: 1、浙江大学，41.1%
: 2、复旦大学，30.0%
: 3、南京大学，27.0%
: 4、武汉大学，25.9%
: 5、北京大学，13.2%
: 6、清华大学，9.6%
: ---------------------
: 天空下面, 所有的都差不多 ??
| u******o
发帖数: 179 | 47 我确实是没看懂你的这个数据说明了什么，本来以为你是说伊州的上好学校机会少，但
UIUC外州的7%又变成伊州上好学校机会多的了。
每个州的对不同层次的学生优惠点不同，问题是一般人搬去那个州的时候无法预测小孩
将来是哪个层次，等弄清楚了再搬家就来不及了。
所以还是接受现实，找个差不多的州呆着就行，研究那么多也没用。
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: 以今年高考为例，在只有7.3万考生的北京，北大计划招录人数为614人。而作为人口大
: 省的河南、山东、四川、安徽、湖北、河北，参加高考人数为北京市的45.5倍，北大在
: 6省计划招生的总人数为409人，远不及北京一地招生人数。由于北京高考分数线低，北
: 京学生考上北大的几率是安徽考生的41倍，是广东考生的37.5倍，是贵州考生的35.4倍
: ，是河南考生的28倍（北大法学院教授张千帆在其研究课题“大学招生与宪法平等”中
: 所得结论）。
:
: http://finance.sina.com.cn/roll/20140605/063019318322.shtml
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 48
你不断带来新的概念
"优惠点", "小孩...哪个层次" ...
make a short story longer.
问题是一般人搬去那个州的时候无法预测小孩
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发信人: uwocosco (azkaban), 信区: Chicago
标 题: Re: Chicago property tax : Increases plus an assessment hi
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Aug 16 00:29:10 2016, 美东)
这个见仁见智，每个家庭的情况都不一样，不是太有可比性。麻州是平均教育水平高，
一大堆学校水平接近，难分高下。伊州就那么几所好学校，基本上就是跟本校的学生比
。要拼娃的当然去麻州，不想拼的在伊州也行。带着AP课的学分去UIUC的学会计，四年
硕士都毕业了，何必非去Tufts？
工作机会也是两边各有自己的领域，很多并不重叠。我即认识伊州去麻州的，也认识麻
州来伊州的。
麻州也是个能乱花钱的：
【在 u******o 的大作中提到】
: 我确实是没看懂你的这个数据说明了什么，本来以为你是说伊州的上好学校机会少，但
: UIUC外州的7%又变成伊州上好学校机会多的了。
: 每个州的对不同层次的学生优惠点不同，问题是一般人搬去那个州的时候无法预测小孩
: 将来是哪个层次，等弄清楚了再搬家就来不及了。
: 所以还是接受现实，找个差不多的州呆着就行，研究那么多也没用。
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 49
请说哪所 colleges，不肯去。
有些大人问他们朋友的孩子, "你在UIUC，你为什么不在那里学计算机?"
------------------------------
College of Agricultural, Consumer, ACT Score: 25-29 GPA: 3.22-3.79
College of Applied Health Sciences, ACT Score: 25-30 GPA: 3.32-3.76
College of Business, ACT Score: 28-32 GPA: 3.50-3.88
College of Education, ACT Score: 24-29 GPA: 3.20-3.68
College of Engineering ACT Score: 31-34 GPA: 3.68-4.00
College of Fine + Applied Arts ACT Score: 25-30 GPA: 3.05-3.67
College of Liberal Arts & Sciences ACT Score: 27-32 GPA: 3.35-3.86
College of Media ACT Score: 26-30 GPA: 3.14-3.68
Division of General Studies ACT Score: 25-30 GPA: 3.10-3.65
https://admissions.illinois.edu/Apply/Freshman/profile
---------------------------
College of Engineering ACT Score: 31-34 GPA: 3.68-4.00
-----------
That means ...
25+% of freshmen admitted in "College of Engineering"..GPA 4.00!!!
That means ... 75% ... GPA > 3.68
That means ... 25+% ACT 34, 35, 36
That means ... 75+% ACT 31 - 36
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"When you apply to Engineering at Illinois, you must apply to a specific
engineering major."
http://engineering.illinois.edu/admissions/undergraduate/majors.html
那些骄傲，自信 de semifinalists:
---------------
HOFFMAN ESTATES
JAMES B. CONANT H. S.
-----------------------------
999 Hong,
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Bachelors Degree, Computer Science
LIBERTYVILLE H. S.
-----------------------------
302 Zhang
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Bachelors Degree, Computer Science, Freshman
PALATINE
WILLIAM FREMD H. S.
-----------------------------
500 Ni,
UIUC
Computer Science 2015 2019
【在 u******o 的大作中提到】
: 我确实是没看懂你的这个数据说明了什么，本来以为你是说伊州的上好学校机会少，但
: UIUC外州的7%又变成伊州上好学校机会多的了。
: 每个州的对不同层次的学生优惠点不同，问题是一般人搬去那个州的时候无法预测小孩
: 将来是哪个层次，等弄清楚了再搬家就来不及了。
: 所以还是接受现实，找个差不多的州呆着就行，研究那么多也没用。
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 50
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What's Considered
Your application will be reviewed holistically, meaning a wide variety of
factors are taken into consideration:
........
High School Class Rank
Admission into Engineering at Illinois is most selective. Therefore it’s
important to see that you have excelled throughout high school and acted as
an academic leader in your class. If schools track high school percentile
rank, it will be reviewed with your application.
Selectivity for 2014 Admitted Freshman Engineers
Middle 50%
ACT: 31 - 34
SAT: 1400 - 1510
***High School Class Rank: 93% - 99%
TOEFL: 105-113
http://engineering.illinois.edu/admissions/undergraduate/index.html
【在 u******o 的大作中提到】
: 我确实是没看懂你的这个数据说明了什么，本来以为你是说伊州的上好学校机会少，但
: UIUC外州的7%又变成伊州上好学校机会多的了。
: 每个州的对不同层次的学生优惠点不同，问题是一般人搬去那个州的时候无法预测小孩
: 将来是哪个层次，等弄清楚了再搬家就来不及了。
: 所以还是接受现实，找个差不多的州呆着就行，研究那么多也没用。
| | | g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 51
as
只有 Engineering at UIUC (most selective) 看 "High School Class Rank" ??
现在，"High School Class Rank" leads to 主题 "学区房"
---------------------------------------------
发信人: uwocosco (azkaban), 信区: Chicago
标 题: Re: 请教在Long Grove买房
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Aug 1 12:52:10 2016, 美东)
晕，这到底是建议买学区房，还是不买学区房？
【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
:
: -------------------
: What's Considered
: Your application will be reviewed holistically, meaning a wide variety of
: factors are taken into consideration:
: ........
: High School Class Rank
: Admission into Engineering at Illinois is most selective. Therefore it’s
: important to see that you have excelled throughout high school and acted as
: an academic leader in your class. If schools track high school percentile
| g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 52 只有 Engineering at UIUC (most selective) 录取学生 看 "High School Class
Rank" ??
在中国，顶尖大学, 录取学生, 看 "High School Class Rank" ?
中美不同的系统, "学区房"概念, 哪碗糕？ | g******4
发帖数: 6339 | 53
An example:
02-14-2015 at 12:34 pm
I was rejected from CS at UIUC
SAT 2230 (800CR, 780MAT, 650 WR)
ACT 34
Top 5% class, 4.3 weighted GPA
I was accepted into the James Scholar Honors College for General Studies at
UIUC, but will most likely go to my second choice school. I am sure I want
to study CS and because so few are allowed to transfer in at UIUC, it is too
risky for me to go General Studies.
【在 u******o 的大作中提到】
: 我确实是没看懂你的这个数据说明了什么，本来以为你是说伊州的上好学校机会少，但
: UIUC外州的7%又变成伊州上好学校机会多的了。
: 每个州的对不同层次的学生优惠点不同，问题是一般人搬去那个州的时候无法预测小孩
: 将来是哪个层次，等弄清楚了再搬家就来不及了。
: 所以还是接受现实，找个差不多的州呆着就行，研究那么多也没用。
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