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h******o
发帖数: 207 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Salon 讨论区 】
【 原文由 hahaxiao 所发表 】
我刚才查了一下www.worldbank.org，
中国的GNP per capita average annual growth
79-89年是8.9%, 89-99年是9.0%。
如果考虑到国际社会的半封锁(至少不友好)，
如果考虑到中国的人多地少(可参考印度的发展)
中国这二十几年的改革成果，比起韩国台湾，是足以自豪的，
比起日本固然相当，但世上象日本那样提得起的国家到底有几个？
之所以拿三十年前的台湾日本韩国和中国比，
是因为同在低起点，更具有可比性，
现在这些国家地区的发展速度，是更比不过中国的。 | a*******y
发帖数: 99 | 2 ??? Why this article here?
And do you want to tell us China´s fast development is
because of the communist system?
"台湾经济的政治合理性" of course includes external factors
like "西方国家的经济援助", how can you analyze the economic
problem without considering the external factors?
"如果不考虑西方国家的经济援助，
如果不考虑蒋带到台湾的巨额黄金(用一个国家的钱治理一个省。)
如果不考虑经济发展初始启动基金的重要性，"
Do you really think your analysis would be more "科学的，负
责任的", if you exclude these "如果不考虑" out of its "政治
合理性"?
"如果考虑到国际社会的半封锁(至少不友好)，
如果考虑到中国的人多地少(可参考印度的发展)
中国
【在 h******o 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Salon 讨论区 】
: 【 原文由 hahaxiao 所发表 】
: 我刚才查了一下www.worldbank.org，
: 中国的GNP per capita average annual growth
: 79-89年是8.9%, 89-99年是9.0%。
: 如果考虑到国际社会的半封锁(至少不友好)，
: 如果考虑到中国的人多地少(可参考印度的发展)
: 中国这二十几年的改革成果，比起韩国台湾，是足以自豪的，
: 比起日本固然相当，但世上象日本那样提得起的国家到底有几个？
: 之所以拿三十年前的台湾日本韩国和中国比，
| h******o
发帖数: 207 | 3 我的论点是“中国这二十年来发展速度超过韩国台湾。”
你的论点有点象是“中国五十年来发展慢于韩国台湾。”
如果那样，我们的论点并不矛盾。而且我肯定同意你的观点。
如果你认为，为了说明台湾政治制度的优越性，
我们应该考虑美国对台湾的支持，
应该考虑西方社会对中国的封锁，
那我无话可说。我只是觉得，
这样的逻辑得出的结论只能是“顺从强权才能发展生产力。”
而不能证明一种社会制度优于另一种。
因为如果世界上最强权是社会主义国家，
那显然中国会得到经济援助，而台湾不会。
何况不管考不考虑西方国家的态度，
中国这这二十年的发展仍不比台湾差。
【在 a*******y 的大作中提到】
: ??? Why this article here?
: And do you want to tell us China´s fast development is
: because of the communist system?
: "台湾经济的政治合理性" of course includes external factors
: like "西方国家的经济援助", how can you analyze the economic
: problem without considering the external factors?
: "如果不考虑西方国家的经济援助，
: 如果不考虑蒋带到台湾的巨额黄金(用一个国家的钱治理一个省。)
: 如果不考虑经济发展初始启动基金的重要性，"
: Do you really think your analysis would be more "科学的，负
| a*******y
发帖数: 99 | 4 sorry, yesterday I had some spiritual unsteadiness as I
sometimes have, so I was not quite myself. Please ignor what
I said, for that author was not the normal myself who would
not say anything on such a topic.
Just for a joke, the silly me of yesterday would reply your
article with words like "but why the actual 强权 is not 社会
主义国家? Is it not this fact itself enough to tell you who
have the 政治制度的优越性? And you say 中国这这二十年的发展
仍不比台湾差, is this word said just in order to avoid my
last question which is
【在 h******o 的大作中提到】
: 我的论点是“中国这二十年来发展速度超过韩国台湾。”
: 你的论点有点象是“中国五十年来发展慢于韩国台湾。”
: 如果那样，我们的论点并不矛盾。而且我肯定同意你的观点。
: 如果你认为，为了说明台湾政治制度的优越性，
: 我们应该考虑美国对台湾的支持，
: 应该考虑西方社会对中国的封锁，
: 那我无话可说。我只是觉得，
: 这样的逻辑得出的结论只能是“顺从强权才能发展生产力。”
: 而不能证明一种社会制度优于另一种。
: 因为如果世界上最强权是社会主义国家，
| h******o
发帖数: 207 | 5 It is my belief that with different political beliefs we can
still be good friends. The reason we post our opinions
here is not to defeat each other, but to understand and
respect each other. Personally I feel it is better to face
our political difference and talk about it, than hide this
difference behind our smiles.
In every aspect I believe in democracy, freedom and
especially, free speach. I only want to promote discussion
about what we can do given what china was, given what
china is. Dream
【在 a*******y 的大作中提到】
: sorry, yesterday I had some spiritual unsteadiness as I
: sometimes have, so I was not quite myself. Please ignor what
: I said, for that author was not the normal myself who would
: not say anything on such a topic.
: Just for a joke, the silly me of yesterday would reply your
: article with words like "but why the actual 强权 is not 社会
: 主义国家? Is it not this fact itself enough to tell you who
: have the 政治制度的优越性? And you say 中国这这二十年的发展
: 仍不比台湾差, is this word said just in order to avoid my
: last question which is
| a*******y
发帖数: 99 | 6 To do good to people around us is quite enough for our whole
life. Politics, democracy, freedom or more are just empty
concepts which have no real meaning to our life. In Beida I
discussed enough on this, and now I am full of it. Recently
I meet some East-european girls and they really let me know
what a great nonsense politics is.
Just treat Chord well in your honeymonth, nothing is more
important to you than this now. Good luck.
【在 h******o 的大作中提到】
: It is my belief that with different political beliefs we can
: still be good friends. The reason we post our opinions
: here is not to defeat each other, but to understand and
: respect each other. Personally I feel it is better to face
: our political difference and talk about it, than hide this
: difference behind our smiles.
: In every aspect I believe in democracy, freedom and
: especially, free speach. I only want to promote discussion
: about what we can do given what china was, given what
: china is. Dream
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