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Cycling版 - 不想挑起frame材料之争,我的一个同事说,铁的最好
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w********6
发帖数: 12977
1
我的一个同事是自行车爱好者,骑车貌似也很多年了,他主要的一部车是 80's
vintage model, 铁
的Frame,装上了Campy super recorder 11, 另一部车也是铁的,装了Ultegra。
据他说,他骑过这种各样的frame,最后还是喜欢铁的。他住在Long beach,主要是骑
平地长距离
的。
我查了bikesdirect, 已经没有卖铁frame的了。
O****e
发帖数: 3290
2
我也听到过类似的说法,是一个private coach,做coach前是bike racer。传统上讲,
铁的主要缺点是重,软,但据他讲现在high quality的钢铁这两个缺点基本不存在了。
h******2
发帖数: 1498
3
我觉得其实最好的材料是铸铁 :)
seriously, can you ask your co-worker why racers around the world all ride
carbon frames?
w********6
发帖数: 12977
4
还是业余级别的喜好么。 职业的很多每两年就换一部,现在最牛逼的很多车轻到估计
crash就报废的地
步了吧。

ride

【在 h******2 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得其实最好的材料是铸铁 :)
: seriously, can you ask your co-worker why racers around the world all ride
: carbon frames?

U*****e
发帖数: 2882
5
呵呵,想起国内乡下运菜,带人的加重二八,大概就是铁的吧。可能重心低,载重能力强?

【在 w********6 的大作中提到】
: 我的一个同事是自行车爱好者,骑车貌似也很多年了,他主要的一部车是 80's
: vintage model, 铁
: 的Frame,装上了Campy super recorder 11, 另一部车也是铁的,装了Ultegra。
: 据他说,他骑过这种各样的frame,最后还是喜欢铁的。他住在Long beach,主要是骑
: 平地长距离
: 的。
: 我查了bikesdirect, 已经没有卖铁frame的了。

f**********e
发帖数: 1994
6
我换下来的 bianchi 钢管架子上 craigslist 三天有四个人来问,
马上有一人来我家像宝一样地捧走了。他还告诉我那是 Deda 的管,
我都不知道。还是很多人很饭钢管的。
h******2
发帖数: 1498
7
There are also people who collect vintage sports cars... don't get me wrong,
some of them are beautiful. But, that doesn't mean they are still the best
sports cars in the world.
For one thing, steel frames are simply not stiff enough to give you the edge
needed in a race. Imagine during a hill attack or a final sprint,
everything else being equal, carbon would win over steel hands down.
My first race bike was a 853 steel frame, and since I switched over to
carbon, I never missed it.
w********6
发帖数: 12977
8
Actually, the colleague I mentioned did collect vintage cars, more
specifically, he collected them, dressed them up, then sold them. He
also "collected" two houses and sold them at the peak of the housing
market.
But clearly he just do long cruising, and steel frame provide the most
comfort with good price
I agree with you totally, carbon is the way to go, but if you never
attack, never climb, never... you are fine with steel

wrong,
the best
the edge

【在 h******2 的大作中提到】
: There are also people who collect vintage sports cars... don't get me wrong,
: some of them are beautiful. But, that doesn't mean they are still the best
: sports cars in the world.
: For one thing, steel frames are simply not stiff enough to give you the edge
: needed in a race. Imagine during a hill attack or a final sprint,
: everything else being equal, carbon would win over steel hands down.
: My first race bike was a 853 steel frame, and since I switched over to
: carbon, I never missed it.

f**********e
发帖数: 1994
9
853 管的车啊?让我猜... LeMond Zurich?

wrong,
best
edge

【在 h******2 的大作中提到】
: There are also people who collect vintage sports cars... don't get me wrong,
: some of them are beautiful. But, that doesn't mean they are still the best
: sports cars in the world.
: For one thing, steel frames are simply not stiff enough to give you the edge
: needed in a race. Imagine during a hill attack or a final sprint,
: everything else being equal, carbon would win over steel hands down.
: My first race bike was a 853 steel frame, and since I switched over to
: carbon, I never missed it.

h******2
发帖数: 1498
10
2003 KHS flite 800

【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】
: 853 管的车啊?让我猜... LeMond Zurich?
:
: wrong,
: best
: edge

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w******x
发帖数: 4396
11
maybe you should ask yourself why most bike riders don't ever race. and
therein lies the answer to why people still ride steel bikes.

【在 h******2 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得其实最好的材料是铸铁 :)
: seriously, can you ask your co-worker why racers around the world all ride
: carbon frames?

h******2
发帖数: 1498
12
Well I agree most people don't race, and never will.
Steel is still real -- it's compliant, durable, and crash-proof. It's just
for a different purpose.

【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
: maybe you should ask yourself why most bike riders don't ever race. and
: therein lies the answer to why people still ride steel bikes.

w********6
发帖数: 12977
13
I guess if the price of carbon frame drops to comparable level, then all
most all the people will turn to carbon for sure.
i**********g
发帖数: 159
14
No offense to your co-worker, but, by weight, composite material is stronger
than aluminum alloy. Again, by weight, aluminum alloy is stronger than
steel except the deteriorating fatigue strength based on the cycle time.
Composite has a lot longer cycle life than aluminum under fatigue load. Look
at the modern commercial/ military aircrafts, everything is getting more
and more involved in composite material. There is no doubt that composite is
the way to go.
r*******1
发帖数: 4394
15
我知道很多人认为钢架的美感是碳架所不能带来的,不光是价钱的高低问题。

【在 w********6 的大作中提到】
: I guess if the price of carbon frame drops to comparable level, then all
: most all the people will turn to carbon for sure.

V*****n
发帖数: 893
16
hengmei is right. riding a steel bike is just like driving a vintage car.
and nobody drives a vintage car because they performs well. so I think wolf
you are looking into the wrong directions to appreciate steel bikes. quite
frankly, if you want a steel bike, you have to be into old things. steel is
all about good taste (brand, tubing, history, maker) and prestige. with a
cheap taiwanese steel, people would think you really don't know what you are
doing. all that's good about steel is that some
f**********e
发帖数: 1994
17
我也不太了解为何人们如此饭钢材,尤其是 lugged 的钢车。
我还是中国式的小农思想:如果新材料便宜又好,为何要用老材料?
我的山寨车在各方面都比老钢管车优:light, stiff, 而且
吸引眼球。(可惜不像 folding bike, 吸引的全是猥琐男)
f**********e
发帖数: 1994
18
对了,用钢管车基本就像用 Leica-M 配上 Summicron 35/2 八枚玉。
(or 50 红标 Elmar)
O****e
发帖数: 3290
19
Come on guys. We are talking about modern high-quality steel not vintage
steel. A modern steel bike can be easily made less than 20lb. Read this
article: http://www.smartcycles.com/bike_weight.htm
I have to agree with its view: Carbon is an oversold fashion to non-
professional cyclist, racing or not. For non-professional cyclist, the
ultimate goal is to prove your fitness not your bike.
There is nothing wrong with fashion. Just don't fool yourself.
b******n
发帖数: 1269
20
有几个想法:
1。其实不怪材料,市场需要一个高端的媒介。10年前的高端铝架也3000美金了。就好
像中国最近把字画炒到梵高毕加索的价格之后,大家开始炒鸟笼子和奇石了。市场需要
高端的东西。
2。人在某些年龄段对事物接受能力最强,所以过了这个时段,新东西就不原意接受了
。国内一帮老头子收集解放前的老凤头,也上万块,每天擦得锃亮。
3。注意标题是“......最好”,不是“......也挺好”。 Recreational riders don't
need the best, but if they WANT the best and can afford it, so be it.
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e*******c
发帖数: 63
21
钢管车在不平的路面上的路感是要好过碳管和铝管。 至今还没骑过钛管的,太贵。
r******s
发帖数: 3662
22
铁的还是钢的?

【在 w********6 的大作中提到】
: 我的一个同事是自行车爱好者,骑车貌似也很多年了,他主要的一部车是 80's
: vintage model, 铁
: 的Frame,装上了Campy super recorder 11, 另一部车也是铁的,装了Ultegra。
: 据他说,他骑过这种各样的frame,最后还是喜欢铁的。他住在Long beach,主要是骑
: 平地长距离
: 的。
: 我查了bikesdirect, 已经没有卖铁frame的了。

c*******r
发帖数: 13580
23
I suppose you are talking about steel. other than being a little heavy,
steel is really comfy on long and bumpy rides. both my fixie and roadie are
steel frames. well, the roadie has a carbon down tube and stays though

【在 w********6 的大作中提到】
: 我的一个同事是自行车爱好者,骑车貌似也很多年了,他主要的一部车是 80's
: vintage model, 铁
: 的Frame,装上了Campy super recorder 11, 另一部车也是铁的,装了Ultegra。
: 据他说,他骑过这种各样的frame,最后还是喜欢铁的。他住在Long beach,主要是骑
: 平地长距离
: 的。
: 我查了bikesdirect, 已经没有卖铁frame的了。

L*******e
发帖数: 334
24
I guess everybody looked at this article. I like my steel frame, nothing
else, just feel good.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-materials.html
j***9
发帖数: 698
25
really??

【在 w********6 的大作中提到】
: 我的一个同事是自行车爱好者,骑车貌似也很多年了,他主要的一部车是 80's
: vintage model, 铁
: 的Frame,装上了Campy super recorder 11, 另一部车也是铁的,装了Ultegra。
: 据他说,他骑过这种各样的frame,最后还是喜欢铁的。他住在Long beach,主要是骑
: 平地长距离
: 的。
: 我查了bikesdirect, 已经没有卖铁frame的了。

i*********5
发帖数: 19210
26
竹的最好!
f****r
发帖数: 997
27
如果要比赛用车当然还是碳车最好。
现代953之类钢材,也有不错的性能,虽然不能说比碳车更好,但可以说as good as,
有些钢管车架也可以做到很轻,1kg多点而已,足够满足轻量化需要。
钢管车有很多传统工艺,可以做得很漂亮,不仅好骑,也有欣赏价值。而且不锈钢管材
保养得当可以用很多年,有很好的可靠性。由于管材较细,对路面震动吸收更好,也为
很多爱好者津津乐道,所以对于业余骑行爱好者,未必不是一个好选择。
s******s
发帖数: 190
28
(Sorry, can't type Chinese here)
I also got this impression. There are some CAT1s and previous national
champion winner in our team, it seems they all like alloy over carbon fiber.
They said alloy or steel is stiffer than carbon fiber, which can allow them
waste less energy (although they still race with carbon bikes).
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