Q*K
发帖数: 3464 | 1 经NIU同意，转发一下。他5月份的意图很明确，就是给印度人
开始用spill over，中国人继续吃自己的名额。NIU在email里面明确提出要求在5月份
把中国自己的limit名额提前用完，但O一直都打太极，总是回避主要问题。 |
s******d
发帖数: 199 | 2 niu 做的好！ 5月份把中国自己的limit名额提前用完很重要啊，不然连汤渣都喝不到。
对O得软硬兼施。 |
l****l
发帖数: 3394 | |
c******s
发帖数: 2163 | 4 我一直看到最后一封EMAIL， 才看见提到大家最感到不公平的部分。 上来就问他为什
么每次都是印度很快用完自己的额度， 而我们就不行。 don't beat around bush! 直
奔主题。 |
Q*K
发帖数: 3464 | 5 well, I crafted a letter with more direct wording.
some say it may be a little bit harsh/demanding
maybe we should try it.
【在 l****l 的大作中提到】
: 太nice了。不停的谢，这种人吃软怕硬的
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l****l
发帖数: 3394 | 6 这还harsh。不公平啊。都等着么久，凭什么给他们release. |
f*******7
发帖数: 1019 | 7 The tone in NIU's letter is too soft and apologetic. |
Q*K
发帖数: 3464 | 8 well, we need to find a balance
writing harsh/demanding letter is easy, might not help us
I personally will use a stronger wording.
人为刀俎我为鱼肉。md
【在 l****l 的大作中提到】
: 这还harsh。不公平啊。都等着么久，凭什么给他们release.
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c****t
发帖数: 19049 | 9 说得好啊。怎么一天没见进步大大的
【在 Q*K 的大作中提到】
: well, we need to find a balance
: writing harsh/demanding letter is easy, might not help us
: I personally will use a stronger wording.
: 人为刀俎我为鱼肉。md
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f*******7
发帖数: 1019 | 10 NIU should ask why there appears to be a preferential treatment for
Indian over Chinese EB2 applicants in terms of the processing of their
application and use of their respective annual quota.
【在 Q*K 的大作中提到】
: well, we need to find a balance
: writing harsh/demanding letter is easy, might not help us
: I personally will use a stronger wording.
: 人为刀俎我为鱼肉。md
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Q*K
发帖数: 3464 | 11 我每天骂他祖宗十八代
写email还能这样？那就是傻了
【在 c****t 的大作中提到】
: 说得好啊。怎么一天没见进步大大的
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Q*K
发帖数: 3464 | 12 Good. 大家赶紧都提意见和想法。建设性的最好
我们会继续跟O通信
【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】
: NIU should ask why there appears to be a preferential treatment for
: Indian over Chinese EB2 applicants in terms of the processing of their
: application and use of their respective annual quota.
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p*****r
发帖数: 56 | 13 还用问?
人不是早说了? strictly by PD
~
【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】
: NIU should ask why there appears to be a preferential treatment for
: Indian over Chinese EB2 applicants in terms of the processing of their
: application and use of their respective annual quota.
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j*e
发帖数: 1987 | 14 首先公开这些email很好很必要。仔细看了一下奥傻的email，以下这三段很关键,里面
有些拗口的法律语言，很多同学可能一下子看不懂，我这里做个简单注释：
"INA Section provides that if total demand will be insufficient to
use all available numbers in a particular employment preference
category, then the unused numbers may be made available without regard
to the annual per-country limits.
(法律202(a)(5)规定如果哪个职业类别名额供过于求，多余名额可以不受国别名额限制
(地给其他类别))
At this time I have determined that the level of demand being received
means that there will be otherwise unused numbers in both the
Employment First and Second preference categories, so those numbers
can be provided without regard to per-country limitations, once such
country limits have been
reached.（现在我确定EB1，EB2都有剩余名额，所以现在可以不受国别名额限制来分配
，只要国别名额已满额(注意，他这里没有讲是中印都满额，还是只要其中有一个满额
就可)）
When this occurs, such numbers must be provided strictly in priority
date order regardless of chargeability.（当分配剩余名额的时候，严格按PD，不
按国别分。）
Greater number use by one country would indicate a higher rate of
demand by applicants from that country with earlier priority
dates.（印度拿得多，只是因为他们PD早）
Often the same cut-off date would be applied to each oversubscribed
country, but that may not always be the case.
（通常，中印分剩余名额的时候，排期是相同的，但这不是一定的（注意:他这里暗示
下个月印度先吃spillover，而且不会追上中国））
The cut-off date being imposed to control the use of the "otherwise
unused" numbers may be earlier than the cut-off date established to
control number use under the per-country annual
limit.（(印度)靠吃剩余名额拿到的排期会早于(中国)靠自己名额拿到的排期(进一步
挑明下个月印度不会追上中国)）"
"The EB-2 category for both China and India is oversubscribed.
Therefore, those are the two countries which would utilize the excess
numbers which have currently been identified, but only once their
respective EB-2 per-country limit has been reached.
(中印是唯一oversubscribed国家，因此剩余名额就在两者间分，但是只有当他们分别
达到各自的limit的时候才开始)
As previously stated the cut-off date which will govern the use of any
"excess" numbers would be the same for each country which has reached
their annual limit. （如前所述，如果两个国家都达到自己limit的话，那靠吃剩余
名额定的排期将相同）
China currently has an EB-2 cut-off date which is several months
beyond that of India, and may also be beyond the cut-off date which
would be imposed to govern the use of the excess numbers.
（中国排期在印度前面几个月，所以下个月的排期将仍旧早于印度靠吃剩余名额得到的
排期）
The China EB-2 cut-off date will continue to move forward at a rate
consistent with that of recent months until the annual limit is
reached, no later than July.（中国继续已现在的进度（每月一两周）前进，一直到
7月）
I will be providing estimates of cut-off date movements in the Visa
Bulletin which announces the May cut-off dates."
现在形势很清楚了，奥傻下个月打算先给印度放闸，中国仍旧慢慢前进，每月1，2周，
直到7月。他很狡猾的是，把法律中规定必须国别名额已满额才能开始吃剩余名额，自
行解读成，哪个国家国别名额已满，那个国家就可以开始吃剩余名额，你们中国自己名
额没拿满，所以就慢慢吃自己名额吧。真是岂有此理。
We should make clear to him our position: IF INDIA EB2 WILL REACH
THEIR 2800 PER COUNTRY LIMIT IN MAY, CHINA EB2 SHOULD REACH OUR 2800
PER COUNTRY LIMIT IN MAY TOO.
This has nothing to do with spillover, nor has anything to do with
strictly in priority date order. It's our own country limit! We can
cite INA Sec. 202(a) (1) (A)的 "Nondiscrimination"原则 "Except as
specifically provided in paragraph (2) and in sections 101(a)(27) ,
201(b)(2)(A)(i) , and 203, no person shall receive any preference or
priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant
visa because of the person's race, sex, nationality, place of birth,
or place of residence. "
如果他这样区别对待中印违反了INA 202(a) (1) (A)的nationality和place of birth的
"Nondiscrimination"原则，而且现在是我们自己的名额没拿满，不涉及spillover，也
就不属于那条歧视原则中的例外条款涉及范畴，我们可以去告他。 |
c****t
发帖数: 19049 | 15 不如想一下为什么多批中国人有利（比如行业分布和对美国经济复苏和未来发展的贡献
，以及对UCSIC未来5到10年长期工作布署有益），比单纯以PD为依据更有利于美国和
USCIS。只要能把O侃晕就好
【在 Q*K 的大作中提到】
: Good. 大家赶紧都提意见和想法。建设性的最好
: 我们会继续跟O通信
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S*****X
发帖数: 1129 | 16 O 为什么这么向着印毒人呢？
我们可不可以向别的议员 senate or congressman 申诉或者提出告他， 即使不成，
也起到威慑作用， 至少不能让他这么为印毒人一手遮天。。。
申诉的几个着眼点
（１）印毒人很多用CHEATING 的手法EB３转 EB２ 占名额；
（２）中国EB２都是很重要的科技人才， 都已经和正在为美国做出很多贡献， 而且远
大于印度人的影响； EB２印度人主要集中在IT 行业； 而中国EB２ very-wELL
DIVERSIFIED, 对美国很多科技产业的复苏起到重要意义； 现在中国的待遇越来越好；
如果大家等不及回国， 将是美国的一大损失；
（３）公平起见， 现在至少也应该让我们先用完我们内部的名额， 跟印度人一起
spill over, otherwise, 这是作弊和discrimination~~
【在 Q*K 的大作中提到】
: Good. 大家赶紧都提意见和想法。建设性的最好
: 我们会继续跟O通信
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c****t
发帖数: 19049 | 17 “EB２印度人主要集中在IT 行业”
“现在中国的待遇越来越好；如果大家等不及回国， 将是美国的一大损失 （影响其长
期竞争力）”
这可以作为主攻点（有实据最好）
说Cheating要有hard evidence才好
【在 S*****X 的大作中提到】
: O 为什么这么向着印毒人呢？
: 我们可不可以向别的议员 senate or congressman 申诉或者提出告他， 即使不成，
: 也起到威慑作用， 至少不能让他这么为印毒人一手遮天。。。
: 申诉的几个着眼点
: （１）印毒人很多用CHEATING 的手法EB３转 EB２ 占名额；
: （２）中国EB２都是很重要的科技人才， 都已经和正在为美国做出很多贡献， 而且远
: 大于印度人的影响； EB２印度人主要集中在IT 行业； 而中国EB２ very-wELL
: DIVERSIFIED, 对美国很多科技产业的复苏起到重要意义； 现在中国的待遇越来越好；
: 如果大家等不及回国， 将是美国的一大损失；
: （３）公平起见， 现在至少也应该让我们先用完我们内部的名额， 跟印度人一起
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w****y
发帖数: 377 | 18 谢谢NIU的不懈努力。我也觉得这信写的有点儿太保守了。不过，谁让咱们是礼仪之邦
呢 ：）
觉得提问题的email太长了，应该直奔主题，把最希望他回答的问题放在最前面，而且
应该言简意赅，
不相干的话说多了反而给他打太极的机会。
【在 Q*K 的大作中提到】
: Good. 大家赶紧都提意见和想法。建设性的最好
: 我们会继续跟O通信
|
c******s
发帖数: 2163 | 19 搞不明白为什么他对中印不采取同一速率， 这个月批我们250， 也批印度250， 一起
用完配额， 再按PD 分SO。 这操作起来也没什么难度。我们到可以问他是怎样决定批
准速率的。 |
c****t
发帖数: 19049 | 20 “应该直奔主题，把最希望他回答的问题放在最前面” - 这个严重同意
【在 w****y 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢NIU的不懈努力。我也觉得这信写的有点儿太保守了。不过，谁让咱们是礼仪之邦
: 呢 ：）
: 觉得提问题的email太长了，应该直奔主题，把最希望他回答的问题放在最前面，而且
: 应该言简意赅，
: 不相干的话说多了反而给他打太极的机会。
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p*****r
发帖数: 56 | 21 因为这样的话. 等两个都用完了. 分SO的时候
印度的PD全在前面. 结果就前几个月SO全给老印.
大家骂的更凶.
根源就在 strictly by PD 上.
~
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】
: 搞不明白为什么他对中印不采取同一速率， 这个月批我们250， 也批印度250， 一起
: 用完配额， 再按PD 分SO。 这操作起来也没什么难度。我们到可以问他是怎样决定批
: 准速率的。
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Q*K
发帖数: 3464 | 22 strictly PD这事情就暂时不要想了
我算是这里最老的PD之一了，从08年LIA开始，为这个奔走过无数次
p用没有。我记得大家当时的结论是按照PD分有一定道理，而且O认准这点8头牛拉不回。
别骂我，我也想早点拿绿卡。
【在 p*****r 的大作中提到】
: 因为这样的话. 等两个都用完了. 分SO的时候
: 印度的PD全在前面. 结果就前几个月SO全给老印.
: 大家骂的更凶.
: 根源就在 strictly by PD 上.
:
: ~
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S*****X
发帖数: 1129 | 23 strictly by PD 是不是O 自己定的
【在 Q*K 的大作中提到】
: strictly PD这事情就暂时不要想了
: 我算是这里最老的PD之一了，从08年LIA开始，为这个奔走过无数次
: p用没有。我记得大家当时的结论是按照PD分有一定道理，而且O认准这点8头牛拉不回。
: 别骂我，我也想早点拿绿卡。
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p**8
发帖数: 3883 | 24 we have agreement that Chinese EB2 will reach its quota in May or June.
“no later than July” = May or June. |
j****l
发帖数: 1440 | 25 Report FBI and tell them we suspect O is "unregistered foreign Agent" based
on what he did for India immigrant as a US officer.
What he did truly against the philosophy of fairness as a government office
and too much evidence can prove he favor special immigrant group.
If FBI pick up the case, then there will a lot politic trouble for O down
the road and he will be more balance between I and C.
【在 S*****X 的大作中提到】
: O 为什么这么向着印毒人呢？
: 我们可不可以向别的议员 senate or congressman 申诉或者提出告他， 即使不成，
: 也起到威慑作用， 至少不能让他这么为印毒人一手遮天。。。
: 申诉的几个着眼点
: （１）印毒人很多用CHEATING 的手法EB３转 EB２ 占名额；
: （２）中国EB２都是很重要的科技人才， 都已经和正在为美国做出很多贡献， 而且远
: 大于印度人的影响； EB２印度人主要集中在IT 行业； 而中国EB２ very-wELL
: DIVERSIFIED, 对美国很多科技产业的复苏起到重要意义； 现在中国的待遇越来越好；
: 如果大家等不及回国， 将是美国的一大损失；
: （３）公平起见， 现在至少也应该让我们先用完我们内部的名额， 跟印度人一起
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Q*K
发帖数: 3464 | 26 我记得大家当时的结论是按照PD分有一定道理和依据，而且O认准这点8头牛拉不回。
当时发动过全国的议员，不少议员们的确帮忙过问了，DOS给的答案就是PD是有法律依
据的，结果就这样了。这已经成了O policy的一部分
【在 S*****X 的大作中提到】
: strictly by PD 是不是O 自己定的
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s******d
发帖数: 199 | 27 （３）公平起见， 现在至少也应该让我们先用完我们内部的名额， 跟印度人一起
spill over, otherwise
这是最最起码该争取到的！！！！！！ |
p*****r
发帖数: 56 | 28 EN. 我就是解释一样为什么他让I的2800用的快. O的2800用的慢.
就是打算在很快的将来两个同PD
~
【在 Q*K 的大作中提到】
: 我记得大家当时的结论是按照PD分有一定道理和依据，而且O认准这点8头牛拉不回。
: 当时发动过全国的议员，不少议员们的确帮忙过问了，DOS给的答案就是PD是有法律依
: 据的，结果就这样了。这已经成了O policy的一部分
|
j****l
发帖数: 1440 | 29 I think NIU can play the game like this:
Tell O:
1. The rumor say some Chinese report FBI that you are "unregistered foreign
agent".
2. We don't believe this is true. But what you did is very likely to make
people to believe.
3. To mitigate the angry of Chinese immigrants, please allocate the quote
fairly.
O may not care the angry of us, but he care his politic career. If we show
him the potential trouble, he will be balance in the quote allocation
between I and C.
The final question is; Dare NIU to play this game.
【在 Q*K 的大作中提到】
: 经NIU同意，转发一下。他5月份的意图很明确，就是给印度人
: 开始用spill over，中国人继续吃自己的名额。NIU在email里面明确提出要求在5月份
: 把中国自己的limit名额提前用完，但O一直都打太极，总是回避主要问题。
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S*****X
发帖数: 1129 | 30 这个PD 怎么反驳， 我晚上再想一想； 看能不能有什么突破点；
【在 Q*K 的大作中提到】
: 我记得大家当时的结论是按照PD分有一定道理和依据，而且O认准这点8头牛拉不回。
: 当时发动过全国的议员，不少议员们的确帮忙过问了，DOS给的答案就是PD是有法律依
: 据的，结果就这样了。这已经成了O policy的一部分
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S*****X
发帖数: 1129 | 31 目的要的是这个效果； 可话怎么说出来， 让人觉得有道理， 而要软中带硬， 还得再
斟酌，斟酌， 让O知道太偏袒印度人是行不通的。。。
另外， 也可以雇佣已经拿绿卡的帮大家出个头， 因为不怕O乐， 呵呵， 如果NIU 要
捐钱的话， 可以告诉大家， 每个人都出一点力， 比傻等着被欺负强多乐。。。
foreign
【在 j****l 的大作中提到】
: I think NIU can play the game like this:
: Tell O:
: 1. The rumor say some Chinese report FBI that you are "unregistered foreign
: agent".
: 2. We don't believe this is true. But what you did is very likely to make
: people to believe.
: 3. To mitigate the angry of Chinese immigrants, please allocate the quote
: fairly.
: O may not care the angry of us, but he care his politic career. If we show
: him the potential trouble, he will be balance in the quote allocation
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f*******8
发帖数: 1430 | 32 O之所以非常偏袒印度人其实是因为印度人中间的EB3是一个huge的population. 这些人
中很多人都是很早的PD, 而且有可能是通过cheating得到的PD. 他们急迫的想转往EB2,
从而可以尽快拿到绿卡。这中间很多方面的人可以获得巨大的经济利益，包括美国政
府，移民律师，等。
受这些利益的驱动，这些人为促使O给印度人大量的名额。因为只有EB2有名额，才能会
刺激更多的印度EB3往EB2转。如果印度的EB2本身没有名额，那么哪个EB3还会费那个事
情。
而中国人中间，则更多的是EB2, 实际上都是EB2. 他们批一个中国的EB2所获得的钱远
远少一批一个印度EB3转EB2，而后再EB2的钱。
归根到底是porting所导致的巨大的经济利益，促使O极力的给印度人名额。因为印度的
EB3有4到6万那么多。这中间政府获益，移民律师也获益。 |
f*******7
发帖数: 1019 | 33 if this worst-case scenario (what O says in his email) happens , what
would be the expected PD cutoff date for EB2C by the end of this fiscal
year? Can we get into 2007?
【在 Q*K 的大作中提到】
: 我记得大家当时的结论是按照PD分有一定道理和依据，而且O认准这点8头牛拉不回。
: 当时发动过全国的议员，不少议员们的确帮忙过问了，DOS给的答案就是PD是有法律依
: 据的，结果就这样了。这已经成了O policy的一部分
|
p*****r
发帖数: 56 | 34 unable to predict
mainly depends on how many EB3I is ported to EB2I
what
~
【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】
: if this worst-case scenario (what O says in his email) happens , what
: would be the expected PD cutoff date for EB2C by the end of this fiscal
: year? Can we get into 2007?
|
j****l
发帖数: 1440 | 35 The evidence is what he did abnormal PD movement for India:
1. All C for India immigrant only in 2008 summer.
2. Always use India quote in fastest pace
3. Others like EB3 lawsuit.
We don't need hard evidence, what we need is reasonable suspect to motive
FBI to start the case. Of course, we should let O know that in first place.
【在 S*****X 的大作中提到】
: 目的要的是这个效果； 可话怎么说出来， 让人觉得有道理， 而要软中带硬， 还得再
: 斟酌，斟酌， 让O知道太偏袒印度人是行不通的。。。
: 另外， 也可以雇佣已经拿绿卡的帮大家出个头， 因为不怕O乐， 呵呵， 如果NIU 要
: 捐钱的话， 可以告诉大家， 每个人都出一点力， 比傻等着被欺负强多乐。。。
:
: foreign
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c***1
发帖数: 57 | 36 为什么每次都是印度很快用完自己的额度， 而我们就不行 |
u****9
发帖数: 1888 | 37 EB3I升上来的BE2I应该从新排队，应该看是谁先符合EB2条件的，从符合条件开始排队
，这没错吧？ |
f*******8
发帖数: 1430 | 38 你说的合理，但是不合法。因为移民法规定，只要是有了PD, 往后就可以一直用这个PD
,而可以不管类别是EB2还是EB3。
联邦政府的规定里又有Bachelor+五年工作经验就可以按照EB2申请的规定。
有两种办法来停了porting:
1. 修改移民法：这个要经过国会。几乎不可能。
2. 修改联邦政府规定： 把五年工作经验变为equivalen degree扩大到十年。这个尽管
不需要经过国会，政府本身就能做到。但是至少从目前来看，政府不会这么做。
【在 u****9 的大作中提到】
: EB3I升上来的BE2I应该从新排队，应该看是谁先符合EB2条件的，从符合条件开始排队
: ，这没错吧？
|
h********e
发帖数: 180 | |
t**********2
发帖数: 71 | 40 Calm down, I have a question, for Indian, if it has 5000 PD before 22/July,
then they can use spill over in May. Assume we have already used our quote,
then we just have to wait until Indian got first 5000 spill over.
Do you think even we have used our quote now, will that give us more spill
over ? |
|
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p*****r
发帖数: 56 | 41 that's the point all indians are fighting
it is legal by O's logic, but not so in practice
so all the indians fight to make it happen
~
【在 t**********2 的大作中提到】
: Calm down, I have a question, for Indian, if it has 5000 PD before 22/July,
: then they can use spill over in May. Assume we have already used our quote,
: then we just have to wait until Indian got first 5000 spill over.
: Do you think even we have used our quote now, will that give us more spill
: over ?
|
t**********2
发帖数: 71 | 42 The only thing I can see is that holding Indian PD can prevent their EB3->
BB2 to submit I-485, then if O starts to use Spill over by moving both
Chinese and Indian PD at the same time at once. Then we can get a little bit
more potentially.
Another thing the Inventory of Indian EB2 is increasing instead of
decreasing even they are still using their quota. |
p*****r
发帖数: 56 | 43 exactly! that is the point!
~
【在 t**********2 的大作中提到】
: The only thing I can see is that holding Indian PD can prevent their EB3->
: BB2 to submit I-485, then if O starts to use Spill over by moving both
: Chinese and Indian PD at the same time at once. Then we can get a little bit
: more potentially.
: Another thing the Inventory of Indian EB2 is increasing instead of
: decreasing even they are still using their quota.
|
y*********g
发帖数: 576 | 44 我也还是没搞明白，为什么自己的2800个名额印度早就用完了，而我们还在用，这个和
pd早一点关系也没有吧。去年就有
这个问题了，印度开始吃别人的，我们还在吃自己的。
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】
: 搞不明白为什么他对中印不采取同一速率， 这个月批我们250， 也批印度250， 一起
: 用完配额， 再按PD 分SO。 这操作起来也没什么难度。我们到可以问他是怎样决定批
: 准速率的。
|
j****l
发帖数: 1440 | 45 Because we didn't fight.
【在 y*********g 的大作中提到】
: 我也还是没搞明白，为什么自己的2800个名额印度早就用完了，而我们还在用，这个和
: pd早一点关系也没有吧。去年就有
: 这个问题了，印度开始吃别人的，我们还在吃自己的。
|
t**********2
发帖数: 71 | 46 it is not related with fight or not fight. We need to be reasonable.
I think O wants to move both Indian and Chinese periodically. Without spill
over, he can't move Indian's PD at all, and Indian PD is earlier. They will
get more for sure. If we have already used all of our quota, then we can
only wait for Indian to catch our PD by using a lot of Spillover and we
still get nothing at that time,
are you upset then ? |
j*e
发帖数: 1987 | 47 agreement? 谁授权的?难道我们又＂被代表"了？而且是被一个有绿
卡的人代表了？
btw,no later than July的意思是before aug, 懂英语的人都知道吧
we have agreement that Chinese EB2 will reach its quota in May or
June.
“no later than July” = May or June.
【在 p**8 的大作中提到】
: we have agreement that Chinese EB2 will reach its quota in May or June.
: “no later than July” = May or June.
|
l****l
发帖数: 3394 | 48 凭什么India先用完？同样是over。NIU应该抓住这个问他们。 |
p****9
发帖数: 9 | 49 跟他讲美国利益找个民运人士更有效。
【在 c****t 的大作中提到】
: “EB２印度人主要集中在IT 行业”
: “现在中国的待遇越来越好；如果大家等不及回国， 将是美国的一大损失 （影响其长
: 期竞争力）”
: 这可以作为主攻点（有实据最好）
: 说Cheating要有hard evidence才好
|
F*****t
发帖数: 2580 | 50 都被O耍了
为什么O要在这么早就放出有12K的多余名额的消息？他以前从来没这么干过
O的目的就是让EB3I知道，EB2I要大步前进了，你们抓紧时间赶紧转EB2
EB3I的海量积压一直是O的心病，没有大赦没有recapture基本是无解的
唯一能让EB3I积压显著减少的办法就是让EB3I转EB2I，然后用SO
看来O是嫌目前EB3I转EB2I的速率还是太慢，所以放出这个消息刺激一下3锅
然后年终总结的时候，O就可以向上司邀功，说自己工作卓有成效，EB3I的积压减少了
多少多少巴仙 |
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Q*K
发帖数: 3464 | 51 最大的危险就是EB3-I大量转EB2，消耗掉这些剩余名额
【在 F*****t 的大作中提到】
: 都被O耍了
: 为什么O要在这么早就放出有12K的多余名额的消息？他以前从来没这么干过
: O的目的就是让EB3I知道，EB2I要大步前进了，你们抓紧时间赶紧转EB2
: EB3I的海量积压一直是O的心病，没有大赦没有recapture基本是无解的
: 唯一能让EB3I积压显著减少的办法就是让EB3I转EB2I，然后用SO
: 看来O是嫌目前EB3I转EB2I的速率还是太慢，所以放出这个消息刺激一下3锅
: 然后年终总结的时候，O就可以向上司邀功，说自己工作卓有成效，EB3I的积压减少了
: 多少多少巴仙
|
c******s
发帖数: 2163 | 52 这么说来， 我们也不用催他赶紧用完我们的配额， 维持他先有的做法。 按照PD， 我
们就注定只能分到SO 的一点点。大家也不用激动了， 该干什么干什么吧, 谁让印度人
那么多呢。
spill
will
【在 t**********2 的大作中提到】
: it is not related with fight or not fight. We need to be reasonable.
: I think O wants to move both Indian and Chinese periodically. Without spill
: over, he can't move Indian's PD at all, and Indian PD is earlier. They will
: get more for sure. If we have already used all of our quota, then we can
: only wait for Indian to catch our PD by using a lot of Spillover and we
: still get nothing at that time,
: are you upset then ?
|
B*****g
发帖数: 34098 | 53 eb３i早就死了，要能转的肯定已经转了或准备转，剩下都是转不了的。有多少会因为
这个１２k才转？
【在 Q*K 的大作中提到】
: 最大的危险就是EB3-I大量转EB2，消耗掉这些剩余名额
|
c**s
发帖数: 3796 | |
c********s
发帖数: 39 | 55 给NIU的建议：
1）write in better English. The words like "my country man" sound so funny.
If I were Mr. O, I would hesitate to make people permenant resident of my
country if they can barely write in my language.
2) when talk or argue with Americans, use American way. Be straight foward
and to the point. It's his job to get the visa quote right and explain the
quote allocation to organization like NIU. You don't need to keep saying "
thank you" to him because he's doing his job. |
r****e
发帖数: 3109 | 56 exactly.
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】
: 搞不明白为什么他对中印不采取同一速率， 这个月批我们250， 也批印度250， 一起
: 用完配额， 再按PD 分SO。 这操作起来也没什么难度。我们到可以问他是怎样决定批
: 准速率的。
|
r****e
发帖数: 3109 | 57 best case march 2007
【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】
: if this worst-case scenario (what O says in his email) happens , what
: would be the expected PD cutoff date for EB2C by the end of this fiscal
: year? Can we get into 2007?
|
k*l
发帖数: 2574 | 58 英文信不应该直奔主题吗？第一句意思一下就够了。第二句还没到主题，谁会看啊？ |
b*****u
发帖数: 1556 | 59 关键不在“EB2C多快可以用完自己的quota”，而在“为什么EB2C比EB2I晚几个月用完
自己的quota”。C和I都oversubscribe，从而需要consume SO。“EB2C比EB2I晚几个月
用完自己的quota”造成的结果是C有可能享用的SO pool比I小，这就不公平了。EB2I inventory中PD比EB2C inventory中最早PD更早的人数决定O可以提前拨给EB2I SO的数量。否则，最公平的做法是等EB2C用尽自己quota之后在去发放这12k SO. |
P********e
发帖数: 2610 | 60 this exactly is the point.
inventory中PD比EB2C inventory中最早PD更早的人数决定O可以提前拨给EB2I SO的数
量。否则，最公平的做法是等EB2C用尽自己quota之后在去发放这12k SO.
【在 b*****u 的大作中提到】
: 关键不在“EB2C多快可以用完自己的quota”，而在“为什么EB2C比EB2I晚几个月用完
: 自己的quota”。C和I都oversubscribe，从而需要consume SO。“EB2C比EB2I晚几个月
: 用完自己的quota”造成的结果是C有可能享用的SO pool比I小，这就不公平了。EB2I inventory中PD比EB2C inventory中最早PD更早的人数决定O可以提前拨给EB2I SO的数量。否则，最公平的做法是等EB2C用尽自己quota之后在去发放这12k SO.
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b*****u
发帖数: 1556 | 61 O的做法是一封回信回答一个问题，躲过其余的。我们需要挑出最根本，最有胜算，逻辑最通畅，最有法律依据，最有benefit的问题，然后一个email thread针对一个问题问到底。一个问题挖到底后再开一个email thread问第二个问题。对O这个老油子，打点可能比打面更有效，减少他回避的余地。
【在 P********e 的大作中提到】
: this exactly is the point.
:
: inventory中PD比EB2C inventory中最早PD更早的人数决定O可以提前拨给EB2I SO的数
: 量。否则，最公平的做法是等EB2C用尽自己quota之后在去发放这12k SO.
|
P********e
发帖数: 2610 | 62 我觉得把你的信给NIU的representattive发过去。
逻辑最通畅，最有法律依据，最有benefit的问题，然后一个email thread针对一个问
题问到底。一个问题挖到底后再开一个email thread问第二个问题。对O这个老油子，
打点可能比打面更有效，减
【在 b*****u 的大作中提到】
: O的做法是一封回信回答一个问题，躲过其余的。我们需要挑出最根本，最有胜算，逻辑最通畅，最有法律依据，最有benefit的问题，然后一个email thread针对一个问题问到底。一个问题挖到底后再开一个email thread问第二个问题。对O这个老油子，打点可能比打面更有效，减少他回避的余地。
|
a*****e
发帖数: 4 | 63 Emails have to be straightforward and potent. Also, sentence like
Thank you very much for your time and consideration. I look forward to your
reponse.
is professional and polite. You should not thank him more than once in an
email. It does not come out right.
I'd be happy to proofread your emails to O. You can send them to me at
z***********[email protected] before you sending them out. Though not a native
speaker, I am a solide writer and a professor in the humanities. I will be
happy to help anyone who works on the behalf of Chinese EB2ers.
Cheers,
Athlete |
h********e
发帖数: 180 | 64 Thank you!
your
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: Emails have to be straightforward and potent. Also, sentence like
: Thank you very much for your time and consideration. I look forward to your
: reponse.
: is professional and polite. You should not thank him more than once in an
: email. It does not come out right.
: I'd be happy to proofread your emails to O. You can send them to me at
: z***********[email protected] before you sending them out. Though not a native
: speaker, I am a solide writer and a professor in the humanities. I will be
: happy to help anyone who works on the behalf of Chinese EB2ers.
: Cheers,
|
p**8
发帖数: 3883 | 65 发信人: QuK (2011·继续前进), 信区: EB23
标 题: Re: 神人们都进来给分析分析。。。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue May 3 14:45:48 2011, 美东)
这种人就是欠扁
分析个鸟啊
BSO都滚一边去
【在 Q*K 的大作中提到】
: 经NIU同意，转发一下。他5月份的意图很明确，就是给印度人
: 开始用spill over，中国人继续吃自己的名额。NIU在email里面明确提出要求在5月份
: 把中国自己的limit名额提前用完，但O一直都打太极，总是回避主要问题。
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Q*K
发帖数: 3464 | 66 经NIU同意，转发一下。他5月份的意图很明确，就是给印度人
开始用spill over，中国人继续吃自己的名额。NIU在email里面明确提出要求在5月份
把中国自己的limit名额提前用完，但O一直都打太极，总是回避主要问题。
跟O联系的credit goes to X** Li in NIU
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Oppenheim, Charlie W <*****@****.***>
Date: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: a thank you note and some related question please
To: NIU Representative <******@gmail.com>
Your last message was asking about China, so my response about the annual
limit being reached “no later than July” was talking strictly about the
China limit, NOT the worldwide EB-2 limit.
Unfortunately what is being discussed in your forums, and what is actually
happening as a result of multiple variables which impact number use, are
totally different. A perfect example is the estimate of number use which
you provided, which is very low. Our current China EB-3 total is almost 71%
of the annual EB-3 limit.
From: NIU Representative [mailto:******@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:01 PM
To: Oppenheim, Charlie W
Subject: Re: a thank you note and some related question please
Thank you Mr. Oppenheim. I understand your strategy and policy for
distributing spillover quota. There is only some minor details I wish to
clarify with you. After waiting for years, any tiny amount of visa number is
important for us. So I hope you would understand our feelings.
First, you mentioned that our own annual quota will be consumed no later
than July, which imply that we may not be able to use up our own quota in
May. However, we do wish to be able to use up our own quota as soon as
possible. Since we are expecting to see about 22,000 spillover, early
consuming the our allowance will make the entire process more efficient.
Second, according to our forum, you mentioned that we are approaching our
annual limit already. It is very confusing to us. Since the beginning of the
fiscal year we are only moving for 1-2 weeks each month, which according to
pending inventory published in January 2011, there were only 150-250 quota
used per month. You mentioned that there were large number of new dependent
and EB3 upgrade. However, as we discussed in our previous emails, the
largest number of new dependent joining in happened during last summer and
would very likely already taken into account in the last inventory. And
There are very few Chinese EB3 applicant pending, which not likely taking
much of EB2 quota. I and my country man have been taken close look at the
inventory data, and according to our estimate there was about 1450 quota
used, which leaves pretty big number of quota left to be consumed. If you
think we are miscalculated, and would like to share more detailed data, it
would be appreciated.
I understand it is a difficult task to set a cut-off date accurately, and
there are a lot of factors to take into consideration. But if you would
consider our reasoning, we would very much appreciate it.
Thanks again,
NIU Representative
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Oppenheim, Charlie W <*****@****.***>
wrote:
The EB-2 category for both China and India is oversubscribed. Therefore,
those are the two countries which would utilize the excess numbers which
have currently been identified, but only once their respective EB-2 per-
country limit has been reached. As previously stated the cut-off date
which will govern the use of any “excess” numbers would be the same for
each country which has reached their annual limit. China currently has an
EB-2 cut-off date which is several months beyond that of India, and may also
be beyond the cut-off date which would be imposed to govern the use of the
excess numbers.
The China EB-2 cut-off date will continue to move forward at a rate
consistent with that of recent months until the annual limit is reached, no
later than July. I will be providing estimates of cut-off date movements
in the Visa Bulletin which announces the May cut-off dates.
From: NIU Representative [mailto:******@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:57 AM
To: Oppenheim, Charlie W
Subject: Re: a thank you note and some related question please
Thank you Mr. Oppenheim for your prompt reply. And thank you very much for
your dedicated work that make possible for finding a trend we have been
overlooking. I, and our country man deeply appreciate it.
I understand you must have received tons of inquiries these days, and you
don't have time to give specific answer to each of them. So, I am going to
make my question more specific. From the your quot, does it mean that China
and Indian will both be ready to receiving spillover quota soon, which means
China will be allowed to consume our own annual quota in the coming month?
Would you please, if possible, give an approximate about Chinese EB2 cut-off
date for next couple of months? There has been heated discussion about it
in our forum, and it is very obvious that all of us are greatly inspired by
this. If we can have a prospect from you, it will largely quench our anxiety
, and you will receive less "bothering emails" from us. (Kidding)
Again, I am deeply thankful for your work, and I am deeply sorry if it adds
to you already heavy work load.
Best regards,
NIU Representative
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Oppenheim, Charlie W <*****@****.***> wrote:
Yes, 12,000 extra numbers (based on current demand patterns, which could
change at any time during the coming months) will be available for use in
the EB-2 category.
INA Section 202(a)(5) provides that if total demand will be insufficient to
use all available numbers in a particular employment preference category,
then the unused numbers may be made available without regard to the annual
per-country limits. At this time I have determined that the level of demand
being received means that there will be otherwise unused numbers in both
the Employment First and Second preference categories, so those numbers can
be provided without regard to per-country limitations, once such country
limits have been reached. When this occurs, such numbers must be provided
strictly in priority date order regardless of chargeability. Greater number
use by one country would indicate a higher rate of demand by applicants
from that country with earlier priority dates. Often the same cut-off date
would be applied to each oversubscribed country, but that may not always be
the case. The cut-off date being imposed to control the use of the “
otherwise unused” numbers may be earlier than the cut-off date established
to control number use under the per-country annual limit.
From: NIU Representative [mailto:******@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:29 PM
To: Oppenheim, Charlie W
Subject: a thank you note and some related question please
Dear Mr. Oppenheim:
How are you doing lately? This is NIU Representative, one of the green card
applicants from Chinese EB2 category. I am sending this email after getting
some exciting "news" released by AILA recently. First I would like to
confirm whether the "news" is true. It was said that:
"[US]CIS says they have seen a decline in filings, and does not expect a
change in the number use pattern. Therefore, this decline in EB-1 number use
will allow me to begin having those "otherwise unused" numbers drop down
and be available for use in the EB-2 category. Based on current indications,
that would mean that at least 12,000 additional numbers will be available
to the EB-2 category. This situation will allow me to advance the India EB-2
cut-off date for May. The reason being that all "otherwise unused" numbers
are provided strictly in priority date order, and the India demand has the
largest concentration of early dates."
If it is true, it means there will be about 12000 quota available in
addition to our estimation before right?
If so, we would like to express our uttermost thankfulness to you for
finding this trend in such timely manner.
Secondly, I am bring out a thought I have mentioned to you earlier if you
don't mind. Indian EB2 applicants who have already consumed their own quota
will be receiving spillover quota on top of their own in May visa cut-off
setting. However, Chinese EB2 applicants have not yet consumed ours own. So,
on the basis of equal opportunity, would you please consider the
possibility of allowing Chinese EB2 maximally consume our own annual quota
next month, before waiting for spillover quota together with Indian EB2
applicants?
Lastly, I understand it might be too early to ask you for anything certain
now, but if you could give an estimate more specifically to Chinese EB2
applicants we will be greatly appreciate it. Thank you for your dedicated
work and finding out the trend of EB1 quota consumption in timely fashion.
And I hope this email would not add extra burden on your already heavy work
load.
Thank you very much again, and looking forward to hearing from you.
NIU Representative, |
j*e
发帖数: 1987 | 67 首先公开这些email很好很必要。仔细看了一下奥傻的email，以下这三段很关键,里面
有些拗口的法律语言，很多同学可能一下子看不懂，我这里做个简单注释：
"INA Section provides that if total demand will be insufficient to
use all available numbers in a particular employment preference
category, then the unused numbers may be made available without regard
to the annual per-country limits.
(法律202(a)(5)规定如果哪个职业类别名额供过于求，多余名额可以不受国别名额限制
(地给其他类别))
At this time I have determined that the level of demand being received
means that there will be otherwise unused numbers in both the
Employment First and Second preference categories, so those numbers
can be provided without regard to per-country limitations, once such
country limits have been
reached.（现在我确定EB1，EB2都有剩余名额，所以现在可以不受国别名额限制来分配
，只要国别名额已满额(注意，他这里没有讲是中印都满额，还是只要其中有一个满额
就可)）
When this occurs, such numbers must be provided strictly in priority
date order regardless of chargeability.（当分配剩余名额的时候，严格按PD，不
按国别分。）
Greater number use by one country would indicate a higher rate of
demand by applicants from that country with earlier priority
dates.（印度拿得多，只是因为他们PD早）
Often the same cut-off date would be applied to each oversubscribed
country, but that may not always be the case.
（通常，中印分剩余名额的时候，排期是相同的，但这不是一定的（注意:他这里暗示
下个月印度先吃spillover，而且不会追上中国））
The cut-off date being imposed to control the use of the "otherwise
unused" numbers may be earlier than the cut-off date established to
control number use under the per-country annual
limit.（(印度)靠吃剩余名额拿到的排期会早于(中国)靠自己名额拿到的排期(进一步
挑明下个月印度不会追上中国)）"
"The EB-2 category for both China and India is oversubscribed.
Therefore, those are the two countries which would utilize the excess
numbers which have currently been identified, but only once their
respective EB-2 per-country limit has been reached.
(中印是唯一oversubscribed国家，因此剩余名额就在两者间分，但是只有当他们分别
达到各自的limit的时候才开始)
As previously stated the cut-off date which will govern the use of any
"excess" numbers would be the same for each country which has reached
their annual limit. （如前所述，如果两个国家都达到自己limit的话，那靠吃剩余
名额定的排期将相同）
China currently has an EB-2 cut-off date which is several months
beyond that of India, and may also be beyond the cut-off date which
would be imposed to govern the use of the excess numbers.
（中国排期在印度前面几个月，所以下个月的排期将仍旧早于印度靠吃剩余名额得到的
排期）
The China EB-2 cut-off date will continue to move forward at a rate
consistent with that of recent months until the annual limit is
reached, no later than July.（中国继续已现在的进度（每月一两周）前进，一直到
7月）
I will be providing estimates of cut-off date movements in the Visa
Bulletin which announces the May cut-off dates."
现在形势很清楚了，奥傻下个月打算先给印度放闸，中国仍旧慢慢前进，每月1，2周，
直到7月。他很狡猾的是，把法律中规定必须国别名额已满额才能开始吃剩余名额，自
行解读成，哪个国家国别名额已满，那个国家就可以开始吃剩余名额，你们中国自己名
额没拿满，所以就慢慢吃自己名额吧。真是岂有此理。
We should make clear to him our position: IF INDIA EB2 WILL REACH
THEIR 2800 PER COUNTRY LIMIT IN MAY, CHINA EB2 SHOULD REACH OUR 2800
PER COUNTRY LIMIT IN MAY TOO.
This has nothing to do with spillover, nor has anything to do with
strictly in priority date order. It's our own country limit! We can
cite INA Sec. 202(a) (1) (A)的 "Nondiscrimination"原则 "Except as
specifically provided in paragraph (2) and in sections 101(a)(27) ,
201(b)(2)(A)(i) , and 203, no person shall receive any preference or
priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant
visa because of the person's race, sex, nationality, place of birth,
or place of residence. "
如果他这样区别对待中印违反了INA 202(a) (1) (A)的nationality和place of birth的
"Nondiscrimination"原则，而且现在是我们自己的名额没拿满，不涉及spillover，也
就不属于那条歧视原则中的例外条款涉及范畴，我们可以去告他。 |
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发帖数: 8807 | |
p******i
发帖数: 1358 | 69 原来是2011年的帖子。。。看得我一身冷汗
现在有新说法了么？ |
t*******e
发帖数: 1511 | 70 一看是3年前的，直接跳过
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 1.0.1
【在 Q*K 的大作中提到】
: 经NIU同意，转发一下。他5月份的意图很明确，就是给印度人
: 开始用spill over，中国人继续吃自己的名额。NIU在email里面明确提出要求在5月份
: 把中国自己的limit名额提前用完，但O一直都打太极，总是回避主要问题。
: 跟O联系的credit goes to X** Li in NIU
: NIU就是大家的组织，欢迎新志愿者加盟，共同推动绿卡排期。
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m**********0
发帖数: 737 | 71 跳尼玛啊，你怎么不解释了。
我解释一下，尼玛语法错误还有。。。。
解释是
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
: 一看是3年前的，直接跳过
:
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l*****g
发帖数: 525 | 72 个人观点：现在不是纠结SO的时候。
识时务者为俊杰，现在从烙印嘴里抢SO的可能性无限接近于零。美国主流社会现在拿合
法职业移民的冗长排期作为非法移民的遮羞布，所以理论上任何不利于缩减烙印的
backlog的论调都很难得到支持。
现在最现实的是联合烙印，以烙印的活动能力为主，力推落实EA的细则，让140直接无
视排期拿combo卡，门里等绿纸片。 |
