d*******n 发帖数: 369 | 1 发信人: montreal0919 (我是新手), 信区: TAX
标 题: Re: 请问大家有成功地将NIW 绿卡申请的4000刀律师费和filling fee
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Mar 28 22:36:08 2012, 美东)
办完退税了。美国犹太老头会计师很肯定地把我的NIW 的律师费claim在1040 schedule
A 中的23项:attorney and accounting fee。该数值-1040中38项的2%可以填在27项
中。尤其在我告诉他IRS的人(ID#为10025720xx)在电话中回答yes后更是犹太式地笑着
说:相信我,没错吧。
老头说他的许多意大利客户都申报了这一项。只要可以解释为该律师费是为了让你得到
更多的income就是符合申报条件滴。。。汇报完毕。 |
w*******y 发帖数: 372 | 2 DIY的没请律师的能把申请费放上去么?
schedule
【在 d*******n 的大作中提到】 : 发信人: montreal0919 (我是新手), 信区: TAX : 标 题: Re: 请问大家有成功地将NIW 绿卡申请的4000刀律师费和filling fee : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Mar 28 22:36:08 2012, 美东) : 办完退税了。美国犹太老头会计师很肯定地把我的NIW 的律师费claim在1040 schedule : A 中的23项:attorney and accounting fee。该数值-1040中38项的2%可以填在27项 : 中。尤其在我告诉他IRS的人(ID#为10025720xx)在电话中回答yes后更是犹太式地笑着 : 说:相信我,没错吧。 : 老头说他的许多意大利客户都申报了这一项。只要可以解释为该律师费是为了让你得到 : 更多的income就是符合申报条件滴。。。汇报完毕。
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d*******n 发帖数: 369 | 3 yes, I believe.
【在 w*******y 的大作中提到】 : DIY的没请律师的能把申请费放上去么? : : schedule
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i****d 发帖数: 724 | 4 呵呵,报税就是撑死胆大的,当然IRS追查起来,有时够喝一壶的。
记得以前有个中国女留在读博士期间每年把被学校预扣的税都在报税的时候要回来了,
她的理由是她的奖学金是NSF里开支的,因为NSF是免税的,所以她的收入也是免税的..
. 后来在办绿卡的时候被查到了,后果很严重 ...
schedule
【在 d*******n 的大作中提到】 : 发信人: montreal0919 (我是新手), 信区: TAX : 标 题: Re: 请问大家有成功地将NIW 绿卡申请的4000刀律师费和filling fee : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Mar 28 22:36:08 2012, 美东) : 办完退税了。美国犹太老头会计师很肯定地把我的NIW 的律师费claim在1040 schedule : A 中的23项:attorney and accounting fee。该数值-1040中38项的2%可以填在27项 : 中。尤其在我告诉他IRS的人(ID#为10025720xx)在电话中回答yes后更是犹太式地笑着 : 说:相信我,没错吧。 : 老头说他的许多意大利客户都申报了这一项。只要可以解释为该律师费是为了让你得到 : 更多的income就是符合申报条件滴。。。汇报完毕。
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s*******e 发帖数: 3042 | 5
..
How 严重? Unless you are convicted criminal tax evasion or fraud, it should
not have effect on your green card application.
【在 i****d 的大作中提到】 : 呵呵,报税就是撑死胆大的,当然IRS追查起来,有时够喝一壶的。 : 记得以前有个中国女留在读博士期间每年把被学校预扣的税都在报税的时候要回来了, : 她的理由是她的奖学金是NSF里开支的,因为NSF是免税的,所以她的收入也是免税的.. : . 后来在办绿卡的时候被查到了,后果很严重 ... : : schedule
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i****d 发帖数: 724 | 6 后果是听说的,我就不spread rumor了。again, 报税就是撑死胆大的。
should
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】 : : .. : How 严重? Unless you are convicted criminal tax evasion or fraud, it should : not have effect on your green card application.
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g********0 发帖数: 6201 | 7 奇怪她在税表的哪一栏写这个理由,而且居然有税务员对这么明显荒唐的错误看不出来?
..
【在 i****d 的大作中提到】 : 呵呵,报税就是撑死胆大的,当然IRS追查起来,有时够喝一壶的。 : 记得以前有个中国女留在读博士期间每年把被学校预扣的税都在报税的时候要回来了, : 她的理由是她的奖学金是NSF里开支的,因为NSF是免税的,所以她的收入也是免税的.. : . 后来在办绿卡的时候被查到了,后果很严重 ... : : schedule
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i****d 发帖数: 724 | 8 你以为你每年填的税表都有人过目的?
来?
【在 g********0 的大作中提到】 : 奇怪她在税表的哪一栏写这个理由,而且居然有税务员对这么明显荒唐的错误看不出来? : : ..
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d*******n 发帖数: 369 | 9 kao, 咱们聊严肃话题的时候能不能严谨一点。整了半天,是听说的。具体到这个例子
,“我认为”后果,如果有的话,就是补税加罚款。他能给你扣个fraud吗?最差算个
灰色地带,你以前都老老实实报税,lifetime就这一次报了个几千刀的绿卡费,irs就
认为你fraud啦?想fraud的就这么点追求?
【在 i****d 的大作中提到】 : 后果是听说的,我就不spread rumor了。again, 报税就是撑死胆大的。 : : should
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i****d 发帖数: 724 | 10 什么叫严肃?你在MITBBS上问的问题算严肃,OK,那我很严肃得告诉你,上面我提的那
个女留的tax issue, 也是在MITBBS上看来的,当时还引起很热烈的讨论,我记得那个
女留读的是在NYC的一个学校。你说我严肃不严肃?
再again, 报税就是撑死胆大的,你有多少追求是你的事,IRS不管。
【在 d*******n 的大作中提到】 : kao, 咱们聊严肃话题的时候能不能严谨一点。整了半天,是听说的。具体到这个例子 : ,“我认为”后果,如果有的话,就是补税加罚款。他能给你扣个fraud吗?最差算个 : 灰色地带,你以前都老老实实报税,lifetime就这一次报了个几千刀的绿卡费,irs就 : 认为你fraud啦?想fraud的就这么点追求?
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J*****i 发帖数: 2622 | 11 IRS has clearly indicated that attorney and accounting fees can Only be
deducted on your return when it is related to financial planning and
compliance.
First it is a Sch A deduction subject to 2% AGI (income) floor, which means
only the portion over 2% of your income is deductible. And it is an addback
for AMT (no benefit if you hit AMT tax)
Second, IRS does audit Sch A and ask you to provide detail receipts etc. and
charge interest and penalties.
Third, your Jew accountant is either incompetent or irresponsible, who is
careless about his reputation and license. In either case, I am not sure if
I would want to hire such a person and take his advices. |
J*****i 发帖数: 2622 | 12 For both e-filed and paper filed returns, IRS does have software with
formulars auto scanning unnormal items on the returns.
【在 i****d 的大作中提到】 : 你以为你每年填的税表都有人过目的? : : 来?
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i****d 发帖数: 724 | 13 早就说过了,报税就是撑死胆大的,让 aggressive的account帮着省税无非就是他毕竟
知道在税表里哪个column里帮你填个数字进去,至少看起来还算是make sense(要你自
己,连地方也找不到), 当然IRS是抽查的,不查的时候就是take your words。
means
addback
and
if
【在 J*****i 的大作中提到】 : IRS has clearly indicated that attorney and accounting fees can Only be : deducted on your return when it is related to financial planning and : compliance. : First it is a Sch A deduction subject to 2% AGI (income) floor, which means : only the portion over 2% of your income is deductible. And it is an addback : for AMT (no benefit if you hit AMT tax) : Second, IRS does audit Sch A and ask you to provide detail receipts etc. and : charge interest and penalties. : Third, your Jew accountant is either incompetent or irresponsible, who is : careless about his reputation and license. In either case, I am not sure if
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J*****i 发帖数: 2622 | 14 Well in this case, unless the guys is not making much $$, there will be
little tax savings, if any, by being aggressive. :)
【在 i****d 的大作中提到】 : 早就说过了,报税就是撑死胆大的,让 aggressive的account帮着省税无非就是他毕竟 : 知道在税表里哪个column里帮你填个数字进去,至少看起来还算是make sense(要你自 : 己,连地方也找不到), 当然IRS是抽查的,不查的时候就是take your words。 : : means : addback : and : if
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N****g 发帖数: 2829 | 15 我前几年把PERM和140的律师费申请费都在unrimbursed employee expense里报税了。
原因很简单,凭什么别的公司都是公司出钱,我要自己出?而且这个employment-based
green card就是更job相关的,IRS pub 529里写明"Legal fees related to your job
"可以算作unrimbursed employee expense。
schedule
【在 d*******n 的大作中提到】 : 发信人: montreal0919 (我是新手), 信区: TAX : 标 题: Re: 请问大家有成功地将NIW 绿卡申请的4000刀律师费和filling fee : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Mar 28 22:36:08 2012, 美东) : 办完退税了。美国犹太老头会计师很肯定地把我的NIW 的律师费claim在1040 schedule : A 中的23项:attorney and accounting fee。该数值-1040中38项的2%可以填在27项 : 中。尤其在我告诉他IRS的人(ID#为10025720xx)在电话中回答yes后更是犹太式地笑着 : 说:相信我,没错吧。 : 老头说他的许多意大利客户都申报了这一项。只要可以解释为该律师费是为了让你得到 : 更多的income就是符合申报条件滴。。。汇报完毕。
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d*******n 发帖数: 369 | 16 原帖问了IRS的人(ID#也贴了)。是不是要问三个说同样的答案,才能信?听你们的口
气这个一定会被audit(如果a human looks at it)。收据都有。而且这绿卡就是必须要
有才能保住工作,不行?
means
addback
and
if
【在 J*****i 的大作中提到】 : IRS has clearly indicated that attorney and accounting fees can Only be : deducted on your return when it is related to financial planning and : compliance. : First it is a Sch A deduction subject to 2% AGI (income) floor, which means : only the portion over 2% of your income is deductible. And it is an addback : for AMT (no benefit if you hit AMT tax) : Second, IRS does audit Sch A and ask you to provide detail receipts etc. and : charge interest and penalties. : Third, your Jew accountant is either incompetent or irresponsible, who is : careless about his reputation and license. In either case, I am not sure if
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N****g 发帖数: 2829 | 17 另一种理解方式,Green card也是一种visa,公司派你去某国出差,你要申请该国visa
吧,公司得报销你的visa fee吧,现在你要在美国长期工作,要这个green card visa
吧,一样都是visa,申请visa的费用公司都得报销。没给报销的,按unrimbursed
employee expense抵税。
based
job
【在 N****g 的大作中提到】 : 我前几年把PERM和140的律师费申请费都在unrimbursed employee expense里报税了。 : 原因很简单,凭什么别的公司都是公司出钱,我要自己出?而且这个employment-based : green card就是更job相关的,IRS pub 529里写明"Legal fees related to your job : "可以算作unrimbursed employee expense。 : : schedule
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J*****i 发帖数: 2622 | 18 I never said that one will certainly got audited in this case? IRS is like a
business who pays the agents to work, and it valuates all the cases and
choose only the ones worth auditing. If you only got $200 out of it, they
might not be interested.
That being said, deducting NIW Green Card application fee (not H-1b) is like
walking on the ice in my opinion. If the return got picked up for whaver
reason and they ask about this line deduction, you can tell your story.
Whether or not the agent will buy it, is another.
【在 d*******n 的大作中提到】 : 原帖问了IRS的人(ID#也贴了)。是不是要问三个说同样的答案,才能信?听你们的口 : 气这个一定会被audit(如果a human looks at it)。收据都有。而且这绿卡就是必须要 : 有才能保住工作,不行? : : means : addback : and : if
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s*******e 发帖数: 3042 | 19 To be precise, you need to pay the legal fee to be able to perform your job.
In theory, green expense is not qualified since you were already on H1B
which allows you to continue your current job. But since it's several years
ago your chance of getting an audit is low.
based
job
【在 N****g 的大作中提到】 : 我前几年把PERM和140的律师费申请费都在unrimbursed employee expense里报税了。 : 原因很简单,凭什么别的公司都是公司出钱,我要自己出?而且这个employment-based : green card就是更job相关的,IRS pub 529里写明"Legal fees related to your job : "可以算作unrimbursed employee expense。 : : schedule
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i****d 发帖数: 724 | 20 很明显,这位是肚子里有气,唉,你这么sure此事的可行性,就去做呗,还废什么话?
【在 d*******n 的大作中提到】 : 原帖问了IRS的人(ID#也贴了)。是不是要问三个说同样的答案,才能信?听你们的口 : 气这个一定会被audit(如果a human looks at it)。收据都有。而且这绿卡就是必须要 : 有才能保住工作,不行? : : means : addback : and : if
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d*******n 发帖数: 369 | 21 这里面有些具体情况值得强调。比如
1. 我H1-B第五年了。在不搞绿卡,就要失去工作了。这是强制的,和工作直接相关。
2. 工作中有敏感领域,不搞绿卡,就无法fully engaged. 当然这个要employer证明一
下。
我只想到这两,也许还有其他的原因。
IRS也得讲道理吧。
job.
years
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】 : To be precise, you need to pay the legal fee to be able to perform your job. : In theory, green expense is not qualified since you were already on H1B : which allows you to continue your current job. But since it's several years : ago your chance of getting an audit is low. : : based : job
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N****g 发帖数: 2829 | 22 H1b只是临时工作签证,雇主要pemanent雇你,还得给你办绿卡签证。
job.
years
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】 : To be precise, you need to pay the legal fee to be able to perform your job. : In theory, green expense is not qualified since you were already on H1B : which allows you to continue your current job. But since it's several years : ago your chance of getting an audit is low. : : based : job
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N****g 发帖数: 2829 | 23 是不是NIW的绿卡和PERM的绿卡还有所不同,因为前者不需要雇主支持,后者必须雇主
sponsor,虽然都是Employment Based。
楼主的会计可能对移民法里那么多细分也没那么了解吧?
a
like
【在 J*****i 的大作中提到】 : I never said that one will certainly got audited in this case? IRS is like a : business who pays the agents to work, and it valuates all the cases and : choose only the ones worth auditing. If you only got $200 out of it, they : might not be interested. : That being said, deducting NIW Green Card application fee (not H-1b) is like : walking on the ice in my opinion. If the return got picked up for whaver : reason and they ask about this line deduction, you can tell your story. : Whether or not the agent will buy it, is another.
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c*********o 发帖数: 714 | 24 铁嘴钢牙的说跟工作有关当然可以,IRS其实是不屑这4000. |
b****u 发帖数: 1710 | 25 That's correct. They are job-related expenses that should be deducted.
Another reason is the fees are related to your income, i.e. the green card
is needed for your ability to make money, so its expenses should be deducted
. As I recall, unreimbursed expenses related to income should be deducted.
based
job
【在 N****g 的大作中提到】 : 我前几年把PERM和140的律师费申请费都在unrimbursed employee expense里报税了。 : 原因很简单,凭什么别的公司都是公司出钱,我要自己出?而且这个employment-based : green card就是更job相关的,IRS pub 529里写明"Legal fees related to your job : "可以算作unrimbursed employee expense。 : : schedule
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b****u 发帖数: 1710 | 26 Agree. I have successfully defended myself in an IRS audit. They do listen
and they prefer to settle it instead of being decided in a court since
court decisions have wider ramifications.
Also you can deducted money you spent on cloths that you only wear at work.
Nothing to do with 强制.
【在 d*******n 的大作中提到】 : 这里面有些具体情况值得强调。比如 : 1. 我H1-B第五年了。在不搞绿卡,就要失去工作了。这是强制的,和工作直接相关。 : 2. 工作中有敏感领域,不搞绿卡,就无法fully engaged. 当然这个要employer证明一 : 下。 : 我只想到这两,也许还有其他的原因。 : IRS也得讲道理吧。 : : job. : years
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i****d 发帖数: 724 | 27 说说最后你是怎么settle的?
listen
.
【在 b****u 的大作中提到】 : Agree. I have successfully defended myself in an IRS audit. They do listen : and they prefer to settle it instead of being decided in a court since : court decisions have wider ramifications. : Also you can deducted money you spent on cloths that you only wear at work. : Nothing to do with 强制.
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d*******n 发帖数: 369 | 28 啊,衣服!holy cow.我喜欢你这种斗争精神,尤其是和IRS! 不想我们典型的北美wsn
哆哆嗦嗦就怕惹事儿那德行。
listen
.
【在 b****u 的大作中提到】 : Agree. I have successfully defended myself in an IRS audit. They do listen : and they prefer to settle it instead of being decided in a court since : court decisions have wider ramifications. : Also you can deducted money you spent on cloths that you only wear at work. : Nothing to do with 强制.
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N****g 发帖数: 2829 | |
n***s 发帖数: 10056 | 30 Have to mark this one. I am about to file tax return. Great info. Thanks! |
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N****g 发帖数: 2829 | 31 这么说去打指纹,做体检的汽油费,停车费都可以抵税,因为据说有的同学要开车好几
小时去打指纹,汽油费也不少啊,都是job related。 |
d*******n 发帖数: 369 | 32 plz don't abuse it. have some shame... :)
【在 N****g 的大作中提到】 : 这么说去打指纹,做体检的汽油费,停车费都可以抵税,因为据说有的同学要开车好几 : 小时去打指纹,汽油费也不少啊,都是job related。
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N****g 发帖数: 2829 | 33 this is not abuse. 我知道比如FSA的报销,你去看病,路费,停车费,汽油费都可以
算在医疗费里面用FSA报的,这是IRS明文规定的。既然EB绿卡签证是job-related
expense,那所有相关的费用应该都能报。
【在 d*******n 的大作中提到】 : plz don't abuse it. have some shame... :)
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d*******n 发帖数: 369 | 34 对我来说,能报大头就可以,不想整的太扎眼。你说的那些费不太好界定。不知道irs
会不会怀疑比如这笔油费是去哪儿的,当然他也没法证伪。anyway,小钱。
咱们是不是要讨论一下,这东西万一被audit或罚了款,不会影响绿卡吧?EB1板好像说过its not relevant.
【在 N****g 的大作中提到】 : this is not abuse. 我知道比如FSA的报销,你去看病,路费,停车费,汽油费都可以 : 算在医疗费里面用FSA报的,这是IRS明文规定的。既然EB绿卡签证是job-related : expense,那所有相关的费用应该都能报。
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N****g 发帖数: 2829 | 35 又不用你列出详细清单,只要一个总数就行。七七八八的项目只要你自己算一下,留个
底就行。比如打指纹你是开车3小时去打的,用IRS标准的mileage算,一mile有5,6毛
吧,来回300 miles的话也有不少钱可以拿回来了。
irs
说过its not relevant.
【在 d*******n 的大作中提到】 : 对我来说,能报大头就可以,不想整的太扎眼。你说的那些费不太好界定。不知道irs : 会不会怀疑比如这笔油费是去哪儿的,当然他也没法证伪。anyway,小钱。 : 咱们是不是要讨论一下,这东西万一被audit或罚了款,不会影响绿卡吧?EB1板好像说过its not relevant.
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b****u 发帖数: 1710 | 36 Well, I disagreed with their adjustment and refused to pay extra money
plus interest. After about 6 months, I filed against IRS in tax court.
Then they assigned the case to a case adjudicator. That's just their
normal procedure
.
The adjudicator asked me for information why my tax return was correct.
I put together a statement explaining the rules and my documents.
The IRS and I then filed withdrawal of the case in court. But my case
is not about job related expenses, they never audited my return for
that. It was about some complicated debt reduction issue.
Anyway, any job-related expenses, not reimbursed by your employer, such
as gas mileage, hotel, etc, can be deducted. My personal opinion is
that expenses incurred for employment-based immigration is certainly
employment, i.e. job related. But I am not tax attorney, so this is not
legal advice!
【在 i****d 的大作中提到】 : 说说最后你是怎么settle的? : : listen : .
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