s**s 发帖数: 125 | 1 On site 15 人.
经济学院系排名前十名(Tilburg排名 https://econtop.uvt.nl/rankingsandbox.php)
入选者全部在前60名大学之内.
无本科大陆学生.有两名华裔.
招聘学校经济学院排名: ~ 150
名额: 2-3.
本人不是该系老师,但是旁听了所有报告.
最差表现候选人:
1. 耶鲁大学
本科生都不如, 从课题到方法一片混乱.
试图证明公司operating cash flow对股价有预测功能.
2. 剑桥大学
文章的主要内容泰勒展开忘记了交叉项.
在大家反复提示下仍然执迷不悟.
最佳表现候选人:
均来自十名以后大学.
两人做微观经济理论.
一人做计量经济理论.
其中两人已经有合作论文发表. 而这两人面试表现最突出.
总结:
牛校毕业生不一定都强
英语好帮不了外行
选题要有技术难度
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U*****e 发帖数: 2882 | 2 interesting. And thanks for sharing.
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【在 s**s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : On site 15 人. : 经济学院系排名前十名(Tilburg排名 https://econtop.uvt.nl/rankingsandbox.php) : 入选者全部在前60名大学之内. : 无本科大陆学生.有两名华裔. : 招聘学校经济学院排名: ~ 150 : 名额: 2-3. : 本人不是该系老师,但是旁听了所有报告. : 最差表现候选人: : 1. 耶鲁大学 : 本科生都不如, 从课题到方法一片混乱.
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j*****e 发帖数: 333 | 3 剑桥的经济排名很高么?我貌似都没有印象。我非常好奇的是如果那个交叉项那么重要,为什么他自己的导师教授们会没有发现??竟然被seminar上的人几分钟就发现了????也许是seminar上听的自己没弄明白,问了自以为对的问题,把上面讲的人反而给弄糊涂了?这种事情也常有发生的,尤其是找工作的人比较紧张啊,并不一定是人家做的多么不好
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【在 s**s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : On site 15 人. : 经济学院系排名前十名(Tilburg排名 https://econtop.uvt.nl/rankingsandbox.php) : 入选者全部在前60名大学之内. : 无本科大陆学生.有两名华裔. : 招聘学校经济学院排名: ~ 150 : 名额: 2-3. : 本人不是该系老师,但是旁听了所有报告. : 最差表现候选人: : 1. 耶鲁大学 : 本科生都不如, 从课题到方法一片混乱.
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f******y 发帖数: 696 | 4 nod
感觉两个都是presentation skills的问题呢
要,为什么他自己的导师教授们会没有发现??竟然被seminar上的人几分钟就发现了
????也许是seminar上听的自己没弄明白,问了自以为对的问题,把上面讲的人反
而给弄糊涂了?这种事情也常
【在 j*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 剑桥的经济排名很高么?我貌似都没有印象。我非常好奇的是如果那个交叉项那么重要,为什么他自己的导师教授们会没有发现??竟然被seminar上的人几分钟就发现了????也许是seminar上听的自己没弄明白,问了自以为对的问题,把上面讲的人反而给弄糊涂了?这种事情也常有发生的,尤其是找工作的人比较紧张啊,并不一定是人家做的多么不好 : : php)
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V**0 发帖数: 889 | 5 肯定是working paper了,导师发没发现取决于导师有没有跟着做这篇文章
如果没有跟着做,导师没发现正常
要,为什么他自己的导师教授们会没有发现??竟然被seminar上的人几分钟就发现了
????也许是seminar上听的自己没弄明白,问了自以为对的问题,把上面讲的人反
而给弄糊涂了?这种事情也常
【在 j*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 剑桥的经济排名很高么?我貌似都没有印象。我非常好奇的是如果那个交叉项那么重要,为什么他自己的导师教授们会没有发现??竟然被seminar上的人几分钟就发现了????也许是seminar上听的自己没弄明白,问了自以为对的问题,把上面讲的人反而给弄糊涂了?这种事情也常有发生的,尤其是找工作的人比较紧张啊,并不一定是人家做的多么不好 : : php)
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j*****e 发帖数: 333 | 6 但这是job market paper,不是一般的文章,导师应该是仔细看了的,要是连别人几分钟seminar中就能发现的重大错误都没能把关,也太不配做剑桥教授了。。。学生在剑桥的seminar上应该都present过的,而且很可能来楼主的学校前,在其他学校已经面试做过talk了,你觉得以前的那么多教授都不能发现这个“重大”问题、单单后来在楼主的这个学校几分钟被发现了的可能性多大? 其实在seminar上,被莫名其妙的质疑问题问住是经常发生的,这是要看这个人的反应和沟通能力的,有的人可能就是被问糊涂了,心里素质差点的一看到台下教授气势汹汹的质疑就吓到了呢,一时反应不过来,可能下来后才意识到应该是怎样怎样回答,我还经常看到我们这里教授把人家别的名校教授问的落花流水呢,呵呵.
我刚看到你的学校排名是150名左右,以我的了解,top 10里能去申请排到150名的学校的人应该本来就是名校里比较差的学生了,你关于名校博士质量的论证非常不合理,呵呵
【在 V**0 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 肯定是working paper了,导师发没发现取决于导师有没有跟着做这篇文章 : 如果没有跟着做,导师没发现正常 : : 要,为什么他自己的导师教授们会没有发现??竟然被seminar上的人几分钟就发现了 : ????也许是seminar上听的自己没弄明白,问了自以为对的问题,把上面讲的人反 : 而给弄糊涂了?这种事情也常
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x****i 发帖数: 400 | 8 Economics是很客观的学科,social science,名校里有很文科化的学生,也有非常数
理的。我以前念书的学校本科好,算teaching school,economic只有本科,但我当时在
的时候老师都是美国top econ 毕业的,很多人就是做那种美国社会研究。一些老师我
当学生都觉得lecture质量很差,体现他们的research不深入。我一个老师,U of
Chicago毕业的,上课推倒公式一踏糊涂。问问题从来都说不清楚。其实美国学生反映
也不好,一次他说给一年级的学生把final都cancel了还得了个worest evaluation。可
他照样在American Econ Review上发paper,接受Good Morning American的采访,因为
做的东西是health economics, 简单而且是美国自己擅长的。但这样的水平也就是来
我们这里,教本科生,做什么方向的不都是教,他去申请任何research school,估计
都够呛。
LZ说的“牛校毕业生不一定都强”没错呀。。10名以后学校的好学生肯定比牛校的差生
好吧。100名后的学校招faculty,耶鲁剑桥的来申请,系里肯定愿意面试,至于水平,
大家拉出来看好了。
“选题要有技术难度”也有道理,反正我知道的文科,要是差点的学校,估计只有教
community college或者中学了。LA那里的好中学,Harvard毕业的Phd不少。 |
j*****e 发帖数: 333 | 9 我很好奇:他这个AER的文章是博士期间还是到了你们teaching school后“写”的(在博士期间写的但到了你们学校后发表不算)?是不是跟uofChicago教授和写的?那种学校毕业去teaching school的人就该是非常差的了(不好意思,没有说你们本科不好的意思,是从research角度讲的).一个真的有能力自己发表AER文章的人,不论什么题目,博士毕业时基本该是job market star的层次了,找不到tenure track教授职位的可能性为0。这种人自愿去teaching school教书而不是research school的我也没听说过。
他如果是幸运在读博士期间跟教授和写一篇AER(也许是到你们学校后才发表出来的),却进了teaching school教书,这表示什么?很可能他自己程度很差,job market paper写的不好。 你讲的情况,我怀疑他不过是跟教授和写时发挥了research assistant的功能,自己并没太多能力,所以才只能找到teaching school教书(这样的情况是常有发生的)
【在 x****i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Economics是很客观的学科,social science,名校里有很文科化的学生,也有非常数 : 理的。我以前念书的学校本科好,算teaching school,economic只有本科,但我当时在 : 的时候老师都是美国top econ 毕业的,很多人就是做那种美国社会研究。一些老师我 : 当学生都觉得lecture质量很差,体现他们的research不深入。我一个老师,U of : Chicago毕业的,上课推倒公式一踏糊涂。问问题从来都说不清楚。其实美国学生反映 : 也不好,一次他说给一年级的学生把final都cancel了还得了个worest evaluation。可 : 他照样在American Econ Review上发paper,接受Good Morning American的采访,因为 : 做的东西是health economics, 简单而且是美国自己擅长的。但这样的水平也就是来 : 我们这里,教本科生,做什么方向的不都是教,他去申请任何research school,估计 : 都够呛。
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x****i 发帖数: 400 | 10 是来我们学校以后写的,因为离PHD毕业有5-6年以上了。
另一个给我上过本科微观经济学的AP也是U of Chicago毕业的,后来也发了AER。他教书很不错,很有名校的风范。我们学校就只有Econ本科,名校毕业的是一片。不是来的就是最差的,但要是再差的学校肯定来不了。
不过他们现在都tenure了。他们是美国人,他们发AER的topic,中国人是不好做的,看着简单,但你没有那个connection,至少数据拿不到。
美国人很喜欢念Econ Phd,毕业的人数也很多吧。里面方向不一样,差别很大的。
AER
【在 j*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我很好奇:他这个AER的文章是博士期间还是到了你们teaching school后“写”的(在博士期间写的但到了你们学校后发表不算)?是不是跟uofChicago教授和写的?那种学校毕业去teaching school的人就该是非常差的了(不好意思,没有说你们本科不好的意思,是从research角度讲的).一个真的有能力自己发表AER文章的人,不论什么题目,博士毕业时基本该是job market star的层次了,找不到tenure track教授职位的可能性为0。这种人自愿去teaching school教书而不是research school的我也没听说过。 : 他如果是幸运在读博士期间跟教授和写一篇AER(也许是到你们学校后才发表出来的),却进了teaching school教书,这表示什么?很可能他自己程度很差,job market paper写的不好。 你讲的情况,我怀疑他不过是跟教授和写时发挥了research assistant的功能,自己并没太多能力,所以才只能找到teaching school教书(这样的情况是常有发生的)
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B******e 发帖数: 16928 | 11 Yale的econ能排进前10吗?
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【在 s**s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : On site 15 人. : 经济学院系排名前十名(Tilburg排名 https://econtop.uvt.nl/rankingsandbox.php) : 入选者全部在前60名大学之内. : 无本科大陆学生.有两名华裔. : 招聘学校经济学院排名: ~ 150 : 名额: 2-3. : 本人不是该系老师,但是旁听了所有报告. : 最差表现候选人: : 1. 耶鲁大学 : 本科生都不如, 从课题到方法一片混乱.
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j*****e 发帖数: 333 | 12 有趣,我还没听说过哪个top 10 econ里的博士期间研究做的好的学生毕业跑去
teaching school的,一般teaching school是以teaching为主的,呵呵
教书很不错,很有名校的风范。我们学校就只有Econ本科,名校毕业的是一片。不是来
的就是最差的,但要是再差的学校肯定来不了。
看着简单,但你没有那个connection,至少数据拿不到。
【在 x****i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 是来我们学校以后写的,因为离PHD毕业有5-6年以上了。 : 另一个给我上过本科微观经济学的AP也是U of Chicago毕业的,后来也发了AER。他教书很不错,很有名校的风范。我们学校就只有Econ本科,名校毕业的是一片。不是来的就是最差的,但要是再差的学校肯定来不了。 : 不过他们现在都tenure了。他们是美国人,他们发AER的topic,中国人是不好做的,看着简单,但你没有那个connection,至少数据拿不到。 : 美国人很喜欢念Econ Phd,毕业的人数也很多吧。里面方向不一样,差别很大的。 : : AER
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j*****e 发帖数: 333 | 13 整体的话,就算是top 10,应该也是下面marginal的,但是他们的econometrics非常强
,美国貌似top 3
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Yale的econ能排进前10吗? : : php)
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s***r 发帖数: 1121 | 14 For econ major, it is quite normal - the reason is that there are TOO many
students. Some are good and some are not that good.
It is a totally different story for finance major students. |
j*****e 发帖数: 333 | 15 very true
【在 s***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : For econ major, it is quite normal - the reason is that there are TOO many : students. Some are good and some are not that good. : It is a totally different story for finance major students.
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t*******i 发帖数: 255 | 16 what is different for finance major students?
For econ major, it is quite normal - the reason is that there are TOO many
students. Some are good and some are not that good.
It is a totally different story for finance major students.
【在 s***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : For econ major, it is quite normal - the reason is that there are TOO many : students. Some are good and some are not that good. : It is a totally different story for finance major students.
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z****e 发帖数: 438 | 17 I guess the argument is that, the sample of econ students is larger, so it
is more likely to get students in both tails of the distribution. |
s*****w 发帖数: 2065 | 18 有人可能还要说因为finance招的人少,所以要求高,质量高之类的。
不过个人觉得这些都不重要,最重要的还是看个人。
就算econ的学生sample也不见得就有多大,所以这些统计规律都说明不了问题。
【在 z****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I guess the argument is that, the sample of econ students is larger, so it : is more likely to get students in both tails of the distribution.
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z***c 发帖数: 2959 | 19 Not true at all, the quality variance for finance students are large, too.
Even though the job prospect is better.
【在 s***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : For econ major, it is quite normal - the reason is that there are TOO many : students. Some are good and some are not that good. : It is a totally different story for finance major students.
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b*********n 发帖数: 2284 | 20 I think students in econ are better trained than finance students. I've
seen a lot of clueless finance graduates: asset pricing guys don't know
much macro; corporate guys don't know incentives and mechanism design...
【在 z****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I guess the argument is that, the sample of econ students is larger, so it : is more likely to get students in both tails of the distribution.
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V**0 发帖数: 889 | 21 Yeah, I think econ students are MUCH BETTER than finance students!
Period!
【在 b*********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I think students in econ are better trained than finance students. I've : seen a lot of clueless finance graduates: asset pricing guys don't know : much macro; corporate guys don't know incentives and mechanism design...
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D******n 发帖数: 2965 | 22 那三个人都做什么topic?
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【在 s**s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : On site 15 人. : 经济学院系排名前十名(Tilburg排名 https://econtop.uvt.nl/rankingsandbox.php) : 入选者全部在前60名大学之内. : 无本科大陆学生.有两名华裔. : 招聘学校经济学院排名: ~ 150 : 名额: 2-3. : 本人不是该系老师,但是旁听了所有报告. : 最差表现候选人: : 1. 耶鲁大学 : 本科生都不如, 从课题到方法一片混乱.
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D******n 发帖数: 2965 | 23 Yale很不错,若论大陆学生的placement,可以排第一。
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Yale的econ能排进前10吗? : : php)
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n*****t 发帖数: 1015 | 24 maybe you are not so familiar with the mechanism of job market yet. Finance people are very few in the phd program so that professors pay much more attention to almost everyone which monitor students' research quality a lot. Economics people are much much more than finance people, so that usually professors pay attention to mainly the good ones and recommend good ones on the job market. Finance people get much more recommendition/push from their professors on average than economic regular students. I heard some top econ departments only choose about 2 students to mainly push as a star for the job market. I also heard one student in a top econ program even could not get an interview when he graduated.
【在 z***c 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Not true at all, the quality variance for finance students are large, too. : Even though the job prospect is better.
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n*****t 发帖数: 1015 | 25 it is because you have not seen any good finance people yet. The
lower tail part of Econ phds are so bad and I have seen many, hehe
【在 V**0 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Yeah, I think econ students are MUCH BETTER than finance students! : Period!
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s***r 发帖数: 1121 | 26 Exactly.
Finance
lot
【在 n*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : maybe you are not so familiar with the mechanism of job market yet. Finance people are very few in the phd program so that professors pay much more attention to almost everyone which monitor students' research quality a lot. Economics people are much much more than finance people, so that usually professors pay attention to mainly the good ones and recommend good ones on the job market. Finance people get much more recommendition/push from their professors on average than economic regular students. I heard some top econ departments only choose about 2 students to mainly push as a star for the job market. I also heard one student in a top econ program even could not get an interview when he graduated.
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n*****t 发帖数: 1015 | 27 it is common if an Econ dept admits 20-30 students but the finance admits
around 5 in the same university. So the sample size is very very different
【在 s*****w 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 有人可能还要说因为finance招的人少,所以要求高,质量高之类的。 : 不过个人觉得这些都不重要,最重要的还是看个人。 : 就算econ的学生sample也不见得就有多大,所以这些统计规律都说明不了问题。
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z****e 发帖数: 438 | 28 Let's stop arguing who are better, econ or finance students. It is just a
waste of time. I was afraid of this and did not make any claim on the mean
of the distribution in my reply. Someone still picked it up anyway. Let'
move on. We all have sometime better to do :-). |
s*****w 发帖数: 2065 | 29 赞!
【在 z****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Let's stop arguing who are better, econ or finance students. It is just a : waste of time. I was afraid of this and did not make any claim on the mean : of the distribution in my reply. Someone still picked it up anyway. Let' : move on. We all have sometime better to do :-).
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n*****t 发帖数: 1015 | 30 exactly! don't understand why some people like to trash people in other
majors so much. it does not make them look better
【在 z****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Let's stop arguing who are better, econ or finance students. It is just a : waste of time. I was afraid of this and did not make any claim on the mean : of the distribution in my reply. Someone still picked it up anyway. Let' : move on. We all have sometime better to do :-).
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z***c 发帖数: 2959 | 31 That's exactly what you did.
Someone said B is better than A, then I said they are more or less the same,
without hyping one group or bashing the other, based on my experience in
recruiting, then you jumped out to praise B over A.
【 在 nodmatt (lll) 的大作中提到: 】 |
n*****t 发帖数: 1015 | 32 obviously you misunderstood. I just tried to explain to those who trash
finance people that they were biased. Did you see I said Econ people are all
worse than finance people? My explanation on job searching of finance
people did not trash econ people's quality either. so, please get the fact
straight.
same,
【在 z***c 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : That's exactly what you did. : Someone said B is better than A, then I said they are more or less the same, : without hyping one group or bashing the other, based on my experience in : recruiting, then you jumped out to praise B over A. : 【 在 nodmatt (lll) 的大作中提到: 】
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r*****e 发帖数: 7853 | 33 牛校毕业生就是好,是头猪也会被人邀去onsite
php)
【在 s**s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : On site 15 人. : 经济学院系排名前十名(Tilburg排名 https://econtop.uvt.nl/rankingsandbox.php) : 入选者全部在前60名大学之内. : 无本科大陆学生.有两名华裔. : 招聘学校经济学院排名: ~ 150 : 名额: 2-3. : 本人不是该系老师,但是旁听了所有报告. : 最差表现候选人: : 1. 耶鲁大学 : 本科生都不如, 从课题到方法一片混乱.
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n*****t 发帖数: 1015 | 34 让我想起一句话:现在不努力工作,将来要努力找工作。
牛校申请进去前要努力工作(因为难进),将来找工作时比一般学校努力可以少一点,呵呵
【在 r*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 牛校毕业生就是好,是头猪也会被人邀去onsite : : php)
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U*****e 发帖数: 2882 | 35 岂能尽如人意?平常心就好
【在 r*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 牛校毕业生就是好,是头猪也会被人邀去onsite : : php)
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e*********e 发帖数: 243 | 36 I dont like subjective arguments, but:
Finance PhDs are MUCH harder to get in than simiar ranked Econ PhDs.
Finance PhDs placements are MUCH better on average than similar ranked Econ
PhDs.
Finance faculties earn MUCH more than faculties from similar ranked Econ
PhDs.
Finance PhDs have MUCH more industry opportunities than Econ PhDs.
ALL THAT SAID. You should choose MIT or Harvard Economics over all top 10 finance programs except maybe Stanford GSB, HBS, and Chicago Booth. |
n*****t 发帖数: 1015 | 37 agree
Econ
finance programs except maybe Stanford GSB, HBS, and Chicago Booth.
【在 e*********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I dont like subjective arguments, but: : Finance PhDs are MUCH harder to get in than simiar ranked Econ PhDs. : Finance PhDs placements are MUCH better on average than similar ranked Econ : PhDs. : Finance faculties earn MUCH more than faculties from similar ranked Econ : PhDs. : Finance PhDs have MUCH more industry opportunities than Econ PhDs. : ALL THAT SAID. You should choose MIT or Harvard Economics over all top 10 finance programs except maybe Stanford GSB, HBS, and Chicago Booth.
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s*******n 发帖数: 740 | 38 So you don't like your arguments
Econ
finance programs except maybe Stanford GSB, HBS, and Chicago Booth.
【在 e*********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I dont like subjective arguments, but: : Finance PhDs are MUCH harder to get in than simiar ranked Econ PhDs. : Finance PhDs placements are MUCH better on average than similar ranked Econ : PhDs. : Finance faculties earn MUCH more than faculties from similar ranked Econ : PhDs. : Finance PhDs have MUCH more industry opportunities than Econ PhDs. : ALL THAT SAID. You should choose MIT or Harvard Economics over all top 10 finance programs except maybe Stanford GSB, HBS, and Chicago Booth.
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f***5 发帖数: 1569 | 39 That is the reason why ECON guy are jealous so they bullshit on FIN guys
Econ
10 finance programs except maybe Stanford GSB, HBS, and Chicago Booth.
【在 e*********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I dont like subjective arguments, but: : Finance PhDs are MUCH harder to get in than simiar ranked Econ PhDs. : Finance PhDs placements are MUCH better on average than similar ranked Econ : PhDs. : Finance faculties earn MUCH more than faculties from similar ranked Econ : PhDs. : Finance PhDs have MUCH more industry opportunities than Econ PhDs. : ALL THAT SAID. You should choose MIT or Harvard Economics over all top 10 finance programs except maybe Stanford GSB, HBS, and Chicago Booth.
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