P*******D 发帖数: 523 | 1 我的背景是这样的,博士的时候做一些非常理论的东西,博士后的时候做的东西很实用,
engineering type的translational research。
现在该propose future research了。
我去年的时候propose了一个博士和博士后expertise 结合的方向,然后展开了3个
application,但总体就像一个R01。on site的时候,被人家challenge,如果你这个
research的basis不work的话,那你怎么办?也就是说不够diverse,万一开始死了,就
全死
了。
今年继续申请,这次全面展开,重propose了一些projects。propose了4个,都是平行
的,可
以展开成4个R01 potentially.这4个project,大的theme都是nano-bio啥的,但是具体的
内容不相关。上周刚刚去面试,人家觉得creativity不错,就是不够focus。说新
faculty应该
学会focus。让我抓狂呀。。。
我的问题是:
1. 是应该接着postdoc或者phd的东西做,还是自己propose点新的?
我propose的这些project都和我PhD和Postdoc老板做的东西不一样,所以应该能
differentiate from them。系里的faculty告诉我independence很重要,你必须得
differentiate yourself。
2. 如果全新的,没有preliminary data,committee能信不?
3. 我下个月还有2个学校,他们的focus和我PhD的东西一样,但是那些东西又太理论,
propose太理论的东西,必然不好拿钱,是不是也不好?
问了一堆问题,现在心情很纠结,多谢大家指教。 |
v***l 发帖数: 2623 | 2 patpat,我也有过相似的困惑。不同的人看法真是可以很不一样。我觉得你很难做到让
每个人都满意。
我自己的经验,第一次面试回来的feedback是提出的东西太method-driven,太
engineering。还好被给了第二次机会,被要求focus on一个project讲。结果这次讲完
以后,第一次的问题没有了,有给提出新的问题:做的东西太risky。有的committee
member真的很难应对。比如说我做的东西是针对某种疾病(不如癌症致命)。一个
member问我,如果我手头有钱,肯定会给cancer research,为什么会投钱给你研究
xxxx的机理?我狂晕,感情前面45分钟全白讲了~~~最后盯着她的眼睛说,我认为
xxxx也很重要,而且去搞懂xxxx的机理是我的passion所在。不管如何,我会继续下去。
从这两次面试之后,我认为听取senior people的意见固然重要,但有的时候,还是要
keep your faith,如果自己不相信自己的idea,更不会有别人买账的。
用,
【在 P*******D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我的背景是这样的,博士的时候做一些非常理论的东西,博士后的时候做的东西很实用, : engineering type的translational research。 : 现在该propose future research了。 : 我去年的时候propose了一个博士和博士后expertise 结合的方向,然后展开了3个 : application,但总体就像一个R01。on site的时候,被人家challenge,如果你这个 : research的basis不work的话,那你怎么办?也就是说不够diverse,万一开始死了,就 : 全死 : 了。 : 今年继续申请,这次全面展开,重propose了一些projects。propose了4个,都是平行 : 的,可
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v***l 发帖数: 2623 | 3 btw,我还不是faculty,希望你别介意。
去。
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : patpat,我也有过相似的困惑。不同的人看法真是可以很不一样。我觉得你很难做到让 : 每个人都满意。 : 我自己的经验,第一次面试回来的feedback是提出的东西太method-driven,太 : engineering。还好被给了第二次机会,被要求focus on一个project讲。结果这次讲完 : 以后,第一次的问题没有了,有给提出新的问题:做的东西太risky。有的committee : member真的很难应对。比如说我做的东西是针对某种疾病(不如癌症致命)。一个 : member问我,如果我手头有钱,肯定会给cancer research,为什么会投钱给你研究 : xxxx的机理?我狂晕,感情前面45分钟全白讲了~~~最后盯着她的眼睛说,我认为 : xxxx也很重要,而且去搞懂xxxx的机理是我的passion所在。不管如何,我会继续下去。 : 从这两次面试之后,我认为听取senior people的意见固然重要,但有的时候,还是要
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P*******D 发帖数: 523 | 4 多谢你的回复。我第一次也是被人家感觉太engineering,basic science太少。所以现
在准备
了几个很basic的projects,但都有application的那种。
关于方向,感觉committee更关心能不能拿到funding。有点cancer的spin,可能有点好
处。
去。
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : patpat,我也有过相似的困惑。不同的人看法真是可以很不一样。我觉得你很难做到让 : 每个人都满意。 : 我自己的经验,第一次面试回来的feedback是提出的东西太method-driven,太 : engineering。还好被给了第二次机会,被要求focus on一个project讲。结果这次讲完 : 以后,第一次的问题没有了,有给提出新的问题:做的东西太risky。有的committee : member真的很难应对。比如说我做的东西是针对某种疾病(不如癌症致命)。一个 : member问我,如果我手头有钱,肯定会给cancer research,为什么会投钱给你研究 : xxxx的机理?我狂晕,感情前面45分钟全白讲了~~~最后盯着她的眼睛说,我认为 : xxxx也很重要,而且去搞懂xxxx的机理是我的passion所在。不管如何,我会继续下去。 : 从这两次面试之后,我认为听取senior people的意见固然重要,但有的时候,还是要
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v***l 发帖数: 2623 | 5 握手握手,现在大部分学校都只关心钱啊。。。。我被committee追着问了好几次,6个
月内preliminary data能不能搞定,一年内能不能交第一个proposal。
感觉咱俩的经历,background很相似啊。
【在 P*******D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 多谢你的回复。我第一次也是被人家感觉太engineering,basic science太少。所以现 : 在准备 : 了几个很basic的projects,但都有application的那种。 : 关于方向,感觉committee更关心能不能拿到funding。有点cancer的spin,可能有点好 : 处。 : : 去。
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P****d 发帖数: 564 | 6 A balanced view: what you can do in the long run and then what you will do
when you first start and has only one or two people in your lab.
Sometimes, the comments are meant to test how well you've thought through
things, or how you think on your feet. So a challenge doesn't always mean
that they disagree with you. So don't panic and give them a structured
rebuttal as much as you can. Sometimes a joke will diffuse things, if that
fits your personality. |
p*l 发帖数: 1359 | 7 I think the important thing is knowing what you can do well right now, and
what you want to do in the future. You need to give them both the short term
and long term picture. You are not going to have the money and man power to
chase four R01s in the same time. Pick one or two you think is most likely
to success, and in the meantime, talk about other ideals to show that you
have many other ideals, which you will pursuit once your first project is
established.
The truth is, your startup won't last long, and yous ideals may not work. If
you bet on the wrong project in the beginning, you will fail. If you branch
out to several projects after you get established. One or two failed
projects won't hurt as much.
Like PubMad said, sometime these questions are to test how deep your
understanding to the problem is. In a interview, a real researcher knows
where is the mountain he needs to overcome, where is the limit that no one
can pass, and is not afraid of talk about both. A fake researcher tries to
hide the mountain, and aviods to talk about limits. |
P*******D 发帖数: 523 | 8 I really appreciate your suggestions! I think I will show them my
priority next time.
Thanks again!
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【在 p*l 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I think the important thing is knowing what you can do well right now, and : what you want to do in the future. You need to give them both the short term : and long term picture. You are not going to have the money and man power to : chase four R01s in the same time. Pick one or two you think is most likely : to success, and in the meantime, talk about other ideals to show that you : have many other ideals, which you will pursuit once your first project is : established. : The truth is, your startup won't last long, and yous ideals may not work. If : you bet on the wrong project in the beginning, you will fail. If you branch : out to several projects after you get established. One or two failed
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P*******D 发帖数: 523 | 9 I really appreciate your comments. Will do next time. Thanks again!
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【在 P****d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : A balanced view: what you can do in the long run and then what you will do : when you first start and has only one or two people in your lab. : Sometimes, the comments are meant to test how well you've thought through : things, or how you think on your feet. So a challenge doesn't always mean : that they disagree with you. So don't panic and give them a structured : rebuttal as much as you can. Sometimes a joke will diffuse things, if that : fits your personality.
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a*****y 发帖数: 269 | 10 蛮牛的你,要好消息上来说阿
【在 P*******D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I really appreciate your comments. Will do next time. Thanks again! : : will do : through : mean : structured : if that
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w********h 发帖数: 12367 | 11 forget about those bullshits...
when they don't want you, they will say anything...
just be yourself...focused but you cannot just do one project....
用,
【在 P*******D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我的背景是这样的,博士的时候做一些非常理论的东西,博士后的时候做的东西很实用, : engineering type的translational research。 : 现在该propose future research了。 : 我去年的时候propose了一个博士和博士后expertise 结合的方向,然后展开了3个 : application,但总体就像一个R01。on site的时候,被人家challenge,如果你这个 : research的basis不work的话,那你怎么办?也就是说不够diverse,万一开始死了,就 : 全死 : 了。 : 今年继续申请,这次全面展开,重propose了一些projects。propose了4个,都是平行 : 的,可
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P*******D 发帖数: 523 | 12 Thanks! my LD felt what they said was BS too. :)
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : forget about those bullshits... : when they don't want you, they will say anything... : just be yourself...focused but you cannot just do one project.... : : 用,
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P*******D 发帖数: 523 | 13 不牛,都是很鸡肋的地方。
【在 a*****y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 蛮牛的你,要好消息上来说阿
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