N**S
发帖数: 14 | 1 Major in neuroscience, PhD in a mediocre university, postdoc in a top 5
university, 8 papers with one CNS, another two submitted, K99/R00 and one
new investigator grant (recently awarded as PI). It's time to find a job to
activate R00. What's the chance to get a tenure track assistant professor in
top 10 universities?
Thanks a lot. |
s*********1
发帖数: 1166 | 2 no chance at all.
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【在 N**S 的大作中提到】
: Major in neuroscience, PhD in a mediocre university, postdoc in a top 5
: university, 8 papers with one CNS, another two submitted, K99/R00 and one
: new investigator grant (recently awarded as PI). It's time to find a job to
: activate R00. What's the chance to get a tenure track assistant professor in
: top 10 universities?
: Thanks a lot.
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N**S
发帖数: 14 | 3 Really? Can you explain a little bit? Thank you very much!
【在 s*********1 的大作中提到】
: no chance at all.
:
: to
: in
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v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 4 我无语了，你什么人的话都信啊。。。。
你个人CV估计top 10够用了，能不能找到top 10的工作还取决于有没有match你方向的
opening，你去面试的时候是否和未来同事有chemistry，等等等等。
但是我觉得你硬件条件more than enough了。
【在 N**S 的大作中提到】
: Really? Can you explain a little bit? Thank you very much!
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r***u
发帖数: 50 | 5 The people who asked this type of question apparently does not know the
rules in US academia, and has little chance to get into a top 10 university. |
p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 6 有K99，20-50的学校肯定跑不了吧。是不是top10，我觉得要取决于具体方向+老板的力
道，这两个lz自己清楚。
PS 我是很不理解这样background的怎么可能不知道自己能找啥样的工作。。难道是bso
？
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】
: 我无语了，你什么人的话都信啊。。。。
: 你个人CV估计top 10够用了，能不能找到top 10的工作还取决于有没有match你方向的
: opening，你去面试的时候是否和未来同事有chemistry，等等等等。
: 但是我觉得你硬件条件more than enough了。
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v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 7 还有phd学校究竟有多Mediocre也会是决定因素。top学校比较看重phd出身。
能拿K99的老板应该很强的，也不可能对学术界一无所知那种。可能LZ就是比较谦虚的
人吧。
bso
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 有K99，20-50的学校肯定跑不了吧。是不是top10，我觉得要取决于具体方向+老板的力
: 道，这两个lz自己清楚。
: PS 我是很不理解这样background的怎么可能不知道自己能找啥样的工作。。难道是bso
: ？
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r****e
发帖数: 3109 | 8 i'm not in your field, but you can easily check the faculty lists of the
universities you want to apply to and see for yourself.
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【在 N**S 的大作中提到】
: Major in neuroscience, PhD in a mediocre university, postdoc in a top 5
: university, 8 papers with one CNS, another two submitted, K99/R00 and one
: new investigator grant (recently awarded as PI). It's time to find a job to
: activate R00. What's the chance to get a tenure track assistant professor in
: top 10 universities?
: Thanks a lot.
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N**S
发帖数: 14 | 9 Thank you all for the replies. I got the commitment from the university I am
current in. The reason I am asking is that I have been following up online
for a while and found no opening in top universities recently. I want to
find multiple opportunities to choose and also to bargin for the start-up
package with the current one. Is it possible that I can contact the
directors directly even without ads to recruit new people? This is the first
time that I am looking for a position so I don't have any experience. |
p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 10 ...已经有top5 offer了还这么看不清形势啊 呵呵。
am
online
first
【在 N**S 的大作中提到】
: Thank you all for the replies. I got the commitment from the university I am
: current in. The reason I am asking is that I have been following up online
: for a while and found no opening in top universities recently. I want to
: find multiple opportunities to choose and also to bargin for the start-up
: package with the current one. Is it possible that I can contact the
: directors directly even without ads to recruit new people? This is the first
: time that I am looking for a position so I don't have any experience.
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v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 11 希望LZ别被现在学校忽悠了。博后留本系不是什么太好的决定，除非你mentor还有2年
就退休了。而且留校bargain power就低了很多。
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: ...已经有top5 offer了还这么看不清形势啊 呵呵。
:
: am
: online
: first
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N**S
发帖数: 14 | 12 That's what I worry about. And I want to bargin with them for a bigger lab
space and for more money to buy some instruments instead of sharing most of
the core equipment with my mentor (which I know is their plan).
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】
: 希望LZ别被现在学校忽悠了。博后留本系不是什么太好的决定，除非你mentor还有2年
: 就退休了。而且留校bargain power就低了很多。
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j******n
发帖数: 1727 | 13 agree. almost no chance
university.
【在 r***u 的大作中提到】
: The people who asked this type of question apparently does not know the
: rules in US academia, and has little chance to get into a top 10 university.
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p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 14 不一定 要看什么学校了。有些学校非常喜欢留人，而且对“自己人”的支持要好很多
，LZ明显是生物口，看看UCSF还有UTSouthwestern就知道了
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】
: 希望LZ别被现在学校忽悠了。博后留本系不是什么太好的决定，除非你mentor还有2年
: 就退休了。而且留校bargain power就低了很多。
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v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 15 新的opening还要再等一段时间出来, 8,9月份可以看到很多。还有，如果你是人见人爱
花见花开的那种，跟许多牛系的教授混脸熟的，可以去发信问问有没有未来的opening
。现在学校这个就使劲拖一拖，至少得申请了秋季的再做决定。
我的猜测，本系即使留你，startup要大打折扣的。你要是医学院的，那同为tenure
track你的待遇都不一定和外校找来的TT AP一样。
不过有个大腕mentor傍着，可能压力小些。这个看人的个性，特easy going，纯粹
enjoy research的，也可以work out得很好。性格strong，aggressive的，最好尽早走
人。
of
【在 N**S 的大作中提到】
: That's what I worry about. And I want to bargin with them for a bigger lab
: space and for more money to buy some instruments instead of sharing most of
: the core equipment with my mentor (which I know is their plan).
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g********r
发帖数: 8017 | |
N**S
发帖数: 14 | 17 Thank you very much for your suggestions. I don't think I am "人见人爱花见花
开的那种". I haven't contacted any 牛 professor yet but I was told by a few
friends in the top universities that the opening is extremely limited
recently although quite a few PIs who lost fundings were kicked out last
year. My mentor insists me to stay so it's unlikely that I could get very
strong "support". I am not fully blinded and know some rules in US acedemia
especailly to find a position. I just want to know what the chance will be
to discuss a position in top universities without many social connections.
Sigh, it's not a BSO... and actually it's a difficult problem.
Just feel not fair that our department recruited a guy last year without any
active funding and outstanding publication record and gave him a really big
package.
多系的教授混脸熟的，可以去发信问问有没有未来的opening
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】
: 新的opening还要再等一段时间出来, 8,9月份可以看到很多。还有，如果你是人见人爱
: 花见花开的那种，跟许多牛系的教授混脸熟的，可以去发信问问有没有未来的opening
: 。现在学校这个就使劲拖一拖，至少得申请了秋季的再做决定。
: 我的猜测，本系即使留你，startup要大打折扣的。你要是医学院的，那同为tenure
: track你的待遇都不一定和外校找来的TT AP一样。
: 不过有个大腕mentor傍着，可能压力小些。这个看人的个性，特easy going，纯粹
: enjoy research的，也可以work out得很好。性格strong，aggressive的，最好尽早走
: 人。
:
: of
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M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 18 neuroscience 的opening 不少啊。
top university 可能没有打广告。
你自己去问问吧。
few
acedemia
any
【在 N**S 的大作中提到】
: Thank you very much for your suggestions. I don't think I am "人见人爱花见花
: 开的那种". I haven't contacted any 牛 professor yet but I was told by a few
: friends in the top universities that the opening is extremely limited
: recently although quite a few PIs who lost fundings were kicked out last
: year. My mentor insists me to stay so it's unlikely that I could get very
: strong "support". I am not fully blinded and know some rules in US acedemia
: especailly to find a position. I just want to know what the chance will be
: to discuss a position in top universities without many social connections.
: Sigh, it's not a BSO... and actually it's a difficult problem.
: Just feel not fair that our department recruited a guy last year without any
|
M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 19 你老板就是要继续hire you to work him.
selfish boss.
few
acedemia
any
【在 N**S 的大作中提到】
: Thank you very much for your suggestions. I don't think I am "人见人爱花见花
: 开的那种". I haven't contacted any 牛 professor yet but I was told by a few
: friends in the top universities that the opening is extremely limited
: recently although quite a few PIs who lost fundings were kicked out last
: year. My mentor insists me to stay so it's unlikely that I could get very
: strong "support". I am not fully blinded and know some rules in US acedemia
: especailly to find a position. I just want to know what the chance will be
: to discuss a position in top universities without many social connections.
: Sigh, it's not a BSO... and actually it's a difficult problem.
: Just feel not fair that our department recruited a guy last year without any
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N**S
发帖数: 14 | 20 Thanks
【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: neuroscience 的opening 不少啊。
: top university 可能没有打广告。
: 你自己去问问吧。
:
: few
: acedemia
: any
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p*l
发帖数: 1359 | 21 我觉得你的mentor想留你，最主要的还是不想你和他形成了竞争。如果你自己没钱，只
是找了个外面的职位，要拿startup和他竞争，他可能感觉压力没这么大。现在你申请
钱上已经上路，手头有自己的经费，如果分出去独立，他感到很受威胁。所以，消灭潜
在敌人的最好方法，就是把他留在自己身边。
如果你选择留下，几年之类你还是要面临这个竞争的问题。你的mentor比你资格老，在
一个系里，你肯定争不过他，他想做的东西，你要么只能在后面，要么就放手。我见过
这样的例子：薄厚被留下提拔成教授了，但是薄厚再也不做他赖以成名的项目了，转向
做别的了。mentor继续原来的项目，做得很红火。于是新老两代处得还不错。这个薄厚
留下来的代价很大，但是换来了超牛校的职位，他自己也比较有想法，很快就有了自己
的方向。
你如果舍不得自己现在的方向，或者不知道除了这个还能做啥，又不想接着做超级薄厚
，还是跳出去的好。
few
acedemia
any
【在 N**S 的大作中提到】
: Thank you very much for your suggestions. I don't think I am "人见人爱花见花
: 开的那种". I haven't contacted any 牛 professor yet but I was told by a few
: friends in the top universities that the opening is extremely limited
: recently although quite a few PIs who lost fundings were kicked out last
: year. My mentor insists me to stay so it's unlikely that I could get very
: strong "support". I am not fully blinded and know some rules in US acedemia
: especailly to find a position. I just want to know what the chance will be
: to discuss a position in top universities without many social connections.
: Sigh, it's not a BSO... and actually it's a difficult problem.
: Just feel not fair that our department recruited a guy last year without any
|
M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 22 you said it.
【在 p*l 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得你的mentor想留你，最主要的还是不想你和他形成了竞争。如果你自己没钱，只
: 是找了个外面的职位，要拿startup和他竞争，他可能感觉压力没这么大。现在你申请
: 钱上已经上路，手头有自己的经费，如果分出去独立，他感到很受威胁。所以，消灭潜
: 在敌人的最好方法，就是把他留在自己身边。
: 如果你选择留下，几年之类你还是要面临这个竞争的问题。你的mentor比你资格老，在
: 一个系里，你肯定争不过他，他想做的东西，你要么只能在后面，要么就放手。我见过
: 这样的例子：薄厚被留下提拔成教授了，但是薄厚再也不做他赖以成名的项目了，转向
: 做别的了。mentor继续原来的项目，做得很红火。于是新老两代处得还不错。这个薄厚
: 留下来的代价很大，但是换来了超牛校的职位，他自己也比较有想法，很快就有了自己
: 的方向。
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s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 23 这么牛叉的条件还上来问。。。楼主你是在存心气我们吧？
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【在 N**S 的大作中提到】
: Major in neuroscience, PhD in a mediocre university, postdoc in a top 5
: university, 8 papers with one CNS, another two submitted, K99/R00 and one
: new investigator grant (recently awarded as PI). It's time to find a job to
: activate R00. What's the chance to get a tenure track assistant professor in
: top 10 universities?
: Thanks a lot.
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v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 24 说的很好！
再补充一点，如果选择留下来，mentor还必须要气量大，否则你开拓新方向也不管用的
。mentor会认为你是他train出来的，你能做的他都能做，越看你越不顺眼。
【在 p*l 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得你的mentor想留你，最主要的还是不想你和他形成了竞争。如果你自己没钱，只
: 是找了个外面的职位，要拿startup和他竞争，他可能感觉压力没这么大。现在你申请
: 钱上已经上路，手头有自己的经费，如果分出去独立，他感到很受威胁。所以，消灭潜
: 在敌人的最好方法，就是把他留在自己身边。
: 如果你选择留下，几年之类你还是要面临这个竞争的问题。你的mentor比你资格老，在
: 一个系里，你肯定争不过他，他想做的东西，你要么只能在后面，要么就放手。我见过
: 这样的例子：薄厚被留下提拔成教授了，但是薄厚再也不做他赖以成名的项目了，转向
: 做别的了。mentor继续原来的项目，做得很红火。于是新老两代处得还不错。这个薄厚
: 留下来的代价很大，但是换来了超牛校的职位，他自己也比较有想法，很快就有了自己
: 的方向。
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e****g
发帖数: 4434 | 25 hehe
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】
: 说的很好！
: 再补充一点，如果选择留下来，mentor还必须要气量大，否则你开拓新方向也不管用的
: 。mentor会认为你是他train出来的，你能做的他都能做，越看你越不顺眼。
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N**S
发帖数: 14 | 26 You guys hit each and every of my concerns. And actually some already
happened. Let's go all the way back to the very original question, any
suggestions? Thank you guys very much. |
b******h
发帖数: 2732 | 27 看来我的导师还是很fair的。当初我拿到本校的offer(但是不是同一个系），我心里有
点贪图享乐，希望就这样陪在LD身边也好, 但他建议我不要take这个offer,要自己出去闯，说对
长远的career发展有好处。 |
b******h
发帖数: 2732 | 28 你的original question没有意义啊，如果top 10没有opening, 你再强也百搭。如果有
opening, 你的chance应该还是挺大的，唯一的缺点是毕业的phd program不够强。
【在 N**S 的大作中提到】
: You guys hit each and every of my concerns. And actually some already
: happened. Let's go all the way back to the very original question, any
: suggestions? Thank you guys very much.
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p*l
发帖数: 1359 | 29 如果你的mentor现在已经开始挤兑你了，你没什么选择，只管去申请就是了。
其实top 10还是top 5的，根本没意义。没有学术自由，要在mentor后面做小，或者被
逼不能做自己想做的东西，就算是Harvard的头衔都是没用的。如果你对自己有信心，
只要去一个top 50以内的学校，以后混出来了大可以往高处跳。
【在 N**S 的大作中提到】
: You guys hit each and every of my concerns. And actually some already
: happened. Let's go all the way back to the very original question, any
: suggestions? Thank you guys very much.
|
v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 30 顶！
【在 p*l 的大作中提到】
: 如果你的mentor现在已经开始挤兑你了，你没什么选择，只管去申请就是了。
: 其实top 10还是top 5的，根本没意义。没有学术自由，要在mentor后面做小，或者被
: 逼不能做自己想做的东西，就算是Harvard的头衔都是没用的。如果你对自己有信心，
: 只要去一个top 50以内的学校，以后混出来了大可以往高处跳。
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N********n
发帖数: 543 | 31 俺也是neuroscience的.....neurobiology, 不知道你具体做啥....不过,你还是不要报
太大希望了....真的....
虽然K99很好...但是....但是....现在就是没opening....
另辟蹊径吧
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【在 N**S 的大作中提到】
: Major in neuroscience, PhD in a mediocre university, postdoc in a top 5
: university, 8 papers with one CNS, another two submitted, K99/R00 and one
: new investigator grant (recently awarded as PI). It's time to find a job to
: activate R00. What's the chance to get a tenure track assistant professor in
: top 10 universities?
: Thanks a lot.
|
j*****d
发帖数: 787 | 32 和我的观感比较相似。他自己其实也注意到至少最近一年里top10 neuroscience open
position的很少很少，原因很简单：neuroscience 在这些top10里已经很完备了，除非
你是stem cell, optogenetics， epigenetics/memory之流可以凑凑热闹。
如果自己也看不惯mentor，不如去Top 30闯闯。 top30 open position的还是不少。
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
: 俺也是neuroscience的.....neurobiology, 不知道你具体做啥....不过,你还是不要报
: 太大希望了....真的....
: 虽然K99很好...但是....但是....现在就是没opening....
: 另辟蹊径吧
:
: to
: in
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V*********l
发帖数: 660 | 33 这么牛的人不要局限于top 10 之类的排名，你可以去一些医学院，研究中心之类的地
方看看。我觉得如果就盯着那几个学校，人家没有opening，你再牛，也白搭。去了一
些研究机构，如果看到你心意的学校有opening的话，跳出来的可能性也很大。因为牛
校不在乎你的teaching啥experience，他们在乎的是钱。
bless，加油找吧。只要有dream，就要去追求，肯定可以实现！ |
