H****y
发帖数: 2992 | 1 Interview with Mr. T'Challa Shabach
By Fiona Rawsontile, Aug 2016
Since I met Mr. Shabach, my opinions toward Black Americans have changed a
lot. He is always thinking. He actively learns new things, follows the news,
and discusses with others what he envisions as the better ways to solve the
problems around us.
Fiona: Mr. Shabach, I just found out that you had spent several years
mentoring youth when you attended college in Washington DC. Could you tell
us more about the experience?
Mr. Shabach: I felt like I very much became the man I am because of my
experience in D.C. I know one day I will be back there. Yes I mentored for
others and for myself. I tried to give people a little more knowledge or at
least a different perspective than what they had before. I never judge
people. I just try to understand and show it back to them a different way.
Fiona: That’s a nice teaching philosophy. I heard you recently took two
college courses in communications. Why are you interested in those topics?
Mr. Shabach: I took “Ethics” and “Human Communication and Culture”
towards a degree in communications. My dream is to be a film director and
writer, among other things. For me this is a safe choice. I can still pursue
my dream while acquiring a legitimate skill. I tutored in English mostly I
could edit. I did a lot of ghost writing for people. I wrote college essays
for people all the time. At one point I was writing a Master’s level paper
for someone on a subject I still don't understand, but I learned to turn
technical jargon into simplified English, etc.
Fiona: Is there someone in your family who has left a particular influence
on you in terms of pursuing higher education? Do you consider yourself
special?
Mr. Shabach: My mother. I favored her over my father. My mother has a Master
’s degree in Public Health. She served in the United States Air Force and
retired as a Colonel. She always stressed the importance of education. I
believe I am special in that I was born with a gift for expression and I
have a vivid imagination. But we are all special in some way; it is a
matter of how and when we use it.
Fiona: As a higher educator myself, I’d like to know what you think of the
American academic system. What’s the one thing you think the US academia is
really good about?
Mr. Shabach: The United States school system serves as a class divider by
determining what you will do in life. Based on the surrounding land values,
schools may have the latest technology or no computer room. Some children go
to school without being fed. The public education system does not create
functional citizens. It should provide lunch just like it provides the desk.
To chain the ability of learning to the ability of eating maintains and
frustrates the class divide.
I feel that the American public school system creates unprepared citizens
and the college and university system creates debt slaves.
Fiona: I remember once saying to you that black people are good at sports
and music. You immediately corrected me. Why?
Mr. Shabach: I see music and athletics as an avenue that we are pushed
through to achieve meaning in society. Some of the most powerful and popular
Black Americans are known from music and athletics, because that is where
we are excepted---expected and frankly groomed historically. I want the
other avenues that show the diversity of our skills to be exposed.
Fiona: So the first step is to eliminate stereotypes. What are the major
changes you have observed with Black Americans in the recent years?
Mr. Shabach: I think that we have continued the progression of our self-
awareness in this country. What you are seeing now is the latest generation
bumping against the walls of white supremacy. I don’t think the economic or
religious beliefs have changed so much. What’s different is the fact that
we are more aware of the conditions of others like us around the country.
Fiona: In that sense, maybe we should view some of the conflicts around us
as a positive sign. If you one day became a mayor, what would you do to
foster equity and harmonies in our society?
Mr. Shabach: The first thing any community needs is opportunity. I believe
that attracting new industries to my hometown will replace the ones that
left long ago. We have much land but not capital to build on it. I have
ideas that will allow new companies to use that land and low cost of living.
I believe that the lack of harmony or, as America calls it, the race
question stems from economic competition.
There are countless cities across America that have been burned at the hands
of White Americans in the name of economic competition. My hometown of East
Saint Louis, IL is one such town that suffered at the hands of white riots.
The real history of the United States---not the watered down public
education version---shows that much of the racial tension stems from
economic competition. My race went from a position of being economically
exploited to now being economic competed for the very people who used to
make a living off of us.
When you understand that, then it is not hard to see where the violence and
hate towards my race comes from and still persists today. I am confident
that is why black riots are highlighted the way they are---to cover the
history of the white riots. It is easy to show a broken man off to the world
for contempt, when you have been beating him privately. It is not
complaining or making an excuse to say that the capitalist economic system
depends on a permanent underclass and in numerous ways Black Americans have
been made that underclass. The solution however goes beyond simply
identifying the problem.
In my country the words "our jobs" creates a lot of tension; it shows just
who thinks everything belongs to them. That is why I believe harmony is only
obtained through prosperity that we obtain from ourselves. But not even
this guarantees peace as the example of Black Wall Street in Oklahoma shows.
A prosperous all-black town was destroyed by White Americans in a series of
riots that lasted for days-again, in the name of economic competition. I am
not saying that White Americans have the heart of the devil or that Black
Americans deserve all the tears of the world. I am saying the strife and
results you see between these two races is not the results or one group's
superiority versus other groups’ worthlessness. You are watching the
conflict between one group whose success hinged on the other, and the other
group looking for success independent of the first.
I am not a segregationist, and I reject the notion that cities or areas have
to be all one race or another. I have to sometimes think in the mindset of
my race doing for ourselves, because that is the basis of any community,
racial or otherwise. I want my city to one day embrace immigrants from all
over the world. I want people from Palestine, China, and Cuba in the city of
East Saint Louis, because I believe diversity and strength in the common
goal of shared prosperity is the best defense against white supremacy.
I believe the current state of my race makes us natural allies to people who
are fighting against unfair opposition and oppression. It is not that we
are permanent victims---it is a reality that we are in a permanent struggle
against an economic system that disallows us to make value for ourselves.
There are many groups living and dead that have struggled against this very
system, but we carry on getting stronger as we go. I am confident that one
day we will truly buy our freedom and our image.
Fiona: Well, Mr. Shabach, you left me nearly speechless. "Harmony is only
obtained through prosperity that we obtain from ourselves." The future of a
group is, in the end, determined by the goals and efforts of the same people
who form the group, not someone else. Thank you for sharing your wisdom
with us, and I look forward to seeing your dreams come true. | Y****N
发帖数: 8694 | 2 高妹, Fiona Rawsontile是谁?
news,
the
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: Interview with Mr. T'Challa Shabach
: By Fiona Rawsontile, Aug 2016
: Since I met Mr. Shabach, my opinions toward Black Americans have changed a
: lot. He is always thinking. He actively learns new things, follows the news,
: and discusses with others what he envisions as the better ways to solve the
: problems around us.
: Fiona: Mr. Shabach, I just found out that you had spent several years
: mentoring youth when you attended college in Washington DC. Could you tell
: us more about the experience?
: Mr. Shabach: I felt like I very much became the man I am because of my
| H****y
发帖数: 2992 | 3 我呀。
【在 Y****N 的大作中提到】
: 高妹, Fiona Rawsontile是谁?
:
: news,
: the
| m********t
发帖数: 9426 | 4 未读先赞
news,
the
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: Interview with Mr. T'Challa Shabach
: By Fiona Rawsontile, Aug 2016
: Since I met Mr. Shabach, my opinions toward Black Americans have changed a
: lot. He is always thinking. He actively learns new things, follows the news,
: and discusses with others what he envisions as the better ways to solve the
: problems around us.
: Fiona: Mr. Shabach, I just found out that you had spent several years
: mentoring youth when you attended college in Washington DC. Could you tell
: us more about the experience?
: Mr. Shabach: I felt like I very much became the man I am because of my
| A**u
发帖数: 701 | 5 第一段不pc吧
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】
: 未读先赞
:
: news,
: the
| Y****N
发帖数: 8694 | 6 确实
第一句话有点儿像蜜雪儿说，直到她丈夫选上美国总统，她才知道她是爱这个国家的
【在 A**u 的大作中提到】
: 第一段不pc吧
| h********0
发帖数: 12056 | 7 高美这个采访很好。很多人心胸狭隘，动不动歧视这个歧视那个，先看看自己怎么水平
再说。 | H****y
发帖数: 2992 | 8 多谢。写这个的目的也是想给大家看看，人家的群体也不都是像很多人想的那样只知道
要福利。
当然也不一定是心胸问题，有时候就是受社会舆论导向。
【在 h********0 的大作中提到】
: 高美这个采访很好。很多人心胸狭隘，动不动歧视这个歧视那个，先看看自己怎么水平
: 再说。
| x*******5
发帖数: 1335 | 9 re
news,
the
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: Interview with Mr. T'Challa Shabach
: By Fiona Rawsontile, Aug 2016
: Since I met Mr. Shabach, my opinions toward Black Americans have changed a
: lot. He is always thinking. He actively learns new things, follows the news,
: and discusses with others what he envisions as the better ways to solve the
: problems around us.
: Fiona: Mr. Shabach, I just found out that you had spent several years
: mentoring youth when you attended college in Washington DC. Could you tell
: us more about the experience?
: Mr. Shabach: I felt like I very much became the man I am because of my
| z**c
发帖数: 625 | 10 太长了 高姐是真喜欢码字
news,
the
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 11
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: Interview with Mr. T'Challa Shabach
: By Fiona Rawsontile, Aug 2016
: Since I met Mr. Shabach, my opinions toward Black Americans have changed a
: lot. He is always thinking. He actively learns new things, follows the news,
: and discusses with others what he envisions as the better ways to solve the
: problems around us.
: Fiona: Mr. Shabach, I just found out that you had spent several years
: mentoring youth when you attended college in Washington DC. Could you tell
: us more about the experience?
: Mr. Shabach: I felt like I very much became the man I am because of my
| | | m****a
发帖数: 435 | 11 某群体都入主白宫了，大家当然知道不是像很多人想的那样只知道要福利。每个族群都
有精英都有败类，我们谈的是比例问题。
作为一个学者，要有统计学的基本知识。真想了解一个群体的话，可以随便到大街上采
访几个该群体的人，而不是到大学里面找个精英来采访，然后推而广之。
自诩有独立思考而不受社会舆论导向影响，其实恰恰是受了当下的PC社会舆论影响而不
自知。
另外，将来您出书了，文章的第一句话说不定会给您惹上麻烦。
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: 多谢。写这个的目的也是想给大家看看，人家的群体也不都是像很多人想的那样只知道
: 要福利。
: 当然也不一定是心胸问题，有时候就是受社会舆论导向。
| g***e
发帖数: 1168 | 12 多谢采访给我机会听到这位先生的一些想法。认为黑人景况与economic competition的
关系，在我个lay person看没有说服力可言。同时，这位先生的看法似乎也确实能合乎
逻辑的导致今日不少流行运动诸如AA。
news,
the
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: Interview with Mr. T'Challa Shabach
: By Fiona Rawsontile, Aug 2016
: Since I met Mr. Shabach, my opinions toward Black Americans have changed a
: lot. He is always thinking. He actively learns new things, follows the news,
: and discusses with others what he envisions as the better ways to solve the
: problems around us.
: Fiona: Mr. Shabach, I just found out that you had spent several years
: mentoring youth when you attended college in Washington DC. Could you tell
: us more about the experience?
: Mr. Shabach: I felt like I very much became the man I am because of my
| n*******l
发帖数: 2911 | 13 兼听则明，偏信则暗。以后你出书的时候是不是也可以把本版大家的评论附上？
news,
the
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: Interview with Mr. T'Challa Shabach
: By Fiona Rawsontile, Aug 2016
: Since I met Mr. Shabach, my opinions toward Black Americans have changed a
: lot. He is always thinking. He actively learns new things, follows the news,
: and discusses with others what he envisions as the better ways to solve the
: problems around us.
: Fiona: Mr. Shabach, I just found out that you had spent several years
: mentoring youth when you attended college in Washington DC. Could you tell
: us more about the experience?
: Mr. Shabach: I felt like I very much became the man I am because of my
| s**********t
发帖数: 544 | 14 先顶后看！
news,
the
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: Interview with Mr. T'Challa Shabach
: By Fiona Rawsontile, Aug 2016
: Since I met Mr. Shabach, my opinions toward Black Americans have changed a
: lot. He is always thinking. He actively learns new things, follows the news,
: and discusses with others what he envisions as the better ways to solve the
: problems around us.
: Fiona: Mr. Shabach, I just found out that you had spent several years
: mentoring youth when you attended college in Washington DC. Could you tell
: us more about the experience?
: Mr. Shabach: I felt like I very much became the man I am because of my
| b***u
发帖数: 22891 | 15 说的非常好啊
【在 m****a 的大作中提到】
: 某群体都入主白宫了，大家当然知道不是像很多人想的那样只知道要福利。每个族群都
: 有精英都有败类，我们谈的是比例问题。
: 作为一个学者，要有统计学的基本知识。真想了解一个群体的话，可以随便到大街上采
: 访几个该群体的人，而不是到大学里面找个精英来采访，然后推而广之。
: 自诩有独立思考而不受社会舆论导向影响，其实恰恰是受了当下的PC社会舆论影响而不
: 自知。
: 另外，将来您出书了，文章的第一句话说不定会给您惹上麻烦。
| C*****l
发帖数: 3211 | | H****y
发帖数: 2992 | 17
大家都各自有各自的看法，这挺好的，也没有想改变谁。以后如果真的出书了，对于上
面讨论的问题，我既不会加自己的评论，也不会加任何人的评论。目的就是一个“呈现
”而已，读者自然会有他们自己的想法。当然了，对于其他学术问题我会在书里尽情评
论的（所以这个采访被叫做外篇）。
我非常喜欢被采访人最后那句话，一个群体在公众眼中的image是很重要的。我做这次
采访也主要是这个目的，尽量呈献给大家一个和主流媒体刻意营造的不一样的image。
我其实平日也是尽量这么做，在公众场合尽量多出声，多露脸，这不是要显示自己的能
耐。一个群体必须要不断被人看见，被人了解，才会慢慢被当做“自己人。”
当然了，要改变公众对某些事情，某些人的成见，可不是一朝一夕的，得要所有人长期
的努力才行。不做好这种准备，一个本来有理想的人就容易变得很极端，很喜欢争吵，
而无法enjoy每一天的生活了。：）
【在 n*******l 的大作中提到】
: 兼听则明，偏信则暗。以后你出书的时候是不是也可以把本版大家的评论附上？
:
: news,
: the
| e*****o
发帖数: 48 | 18 "Since I met Mr. Shabach, my opinions toward Black Americans have changed a
lot."
Really? You changed your view because of one observation. | S*******l
发帖数: 28 | 19 你采访的都是outliers, not representatives of the particular population
groups.
news,
the
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: Interview with Mr. T'Challa Shabach
: By Fiona Rawsontile, Aug 2016
: Since I met Mr. Shabach, my opinions toward Black Americans have changed a
: lot. He is always thinking. He actively learns new things, follows the news,
: and discusses with others what he envisions as the better ways to solve the
: problems around us.
: Fiona: Mr. Shabach, I just found out that you had spent several years
: mentoring youth when you attended college in Washington DC. Could you tell
: us more about the experience?
: Mr. Shabach: I felt like I very much became the man I am because of my
| H****y
发帖数: 2992 | 20 说起个体和群体的问题，这里还有个故事。有一天这个黑人来到我办公室，说，高老师
，你觉得一个人的改变，一个人做的事情，对这个社会关系到底有多大？（我们经常做
类似的讨论。）我说你问的问题太好了！除非是爱因斯坦，华盛顿这样的人物，单个人
对社会来说，不能说可有可无，但至少不是少了谁就不行的。
那我们倒底应不应该费力去做一件事？对我来说，我不会在做之前把它放到整个大环境
下去衡量它的作用，否则最后的结果通常就是让一个人消沉下去。只要这件事情对我是
meaningful的，只要我觉得它重要，我就去干。
回到题目，这个人倒底能不能代表他们群体中的一部分人，还是绝无仅有的特例？我不
知道，也不是很care。我认识他，觉得他是个有意思的人，我就要把他present出来。
靠一个人的努力去改变群体是很难的。但从另一方面说，群体的转变，还必须从单个人
开始。 | H****y
发帖数: 2992 | 21 另外，版上之前其实有过不少类似的讨论，不是关于黑人，是关于女生，尤其是理工科
女生，女发考题。每次有人说，大部分女人都这样那样不这样不那样，就会有人提出很
多反例。然后开始一方就会说，outliners总是有的，我说的是大部分，是统计的事实
，这你不能否认。
嗯，也许是统计吧，我承认。但对我个人来讲，统计没什么意义。任何一个个体，不论
男女黑白，他/她存在的意义和价值，不在于“符合”统计的地方，而就在于outliner
的地方。这才是让我们感到骄傲的地方，是不是？历史上所有不凡的功业，基本上
都是在对立于统计的前提下而完成的。 | w**d
发帖数: 2334 | 22 知道啥叫以偏概全吗？
【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: 多谢。写这个的目的也是想给大家看看，人家的群体也不都是像很多人想的那样只知道
: 要福利。
: 当然也不一定是心胸问题，有时候就是受社会舆论导向。
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