d*****t
发帖数: 15 | 1 前天的面试，今天系主任发了信（如下）。这个算准offer，还是算进short list了？
Dear xxx,
Thank you for taking the time to visit xxx to interview for the xxx faculty
position.
Following interviews, I gather feedback from faculty about the candidate. I
then contact candidates that attract sufficient enthusiasm to start the
process of developing a startup list. I am very pleased to let you know that
you have moved to the next phase of this process.
The final decision on offers is made following full evaluation of all
candidates at a faculty meeting. Having this early negotiation process
started means that we can move faster on an offer as needed. I anticipate
extending offers in late November/December.
In order to determine a start-up package for your offer, I need to know what
you will need to get your research program up and running. It would be
helpful if you could work on putting together an itemized list of your start
-up needs. I have attached a template that you can work from, if that is
helpful.
Startup costs can include lab equipment and supplies, processing (e.g.
sequencing), personnel costs (summer salary for you, salary for graduate
students, postdocs, lab staff), travel, renovation and moving costs. Please
get estimated costs for any items you can. I will provide estimated costs
for personnel if you can just indicate who you anticipate needing. We can
determine any needed renovations after your second visit.
The expectation is that new faculty will receive a federal grant by their
third year, which will be used to support personnel. So we cannot extend
personnel costs beyond the first 2 years. Other expenses can extend into
year 3.
Keep in mind that this is an estimated summary of what you will need to get
your program up and running. It is not a contract. You will receive a lump
sum of money and can spend this as you see fit, including re-budgeting if
you receive a grant in your first year or two.
This list will not be shared with the Search Committee nor considered as we
determine offers. It is simply to allow me to negotiate the strongest offer
I can.
Please let me know if you have any questions. |
o*****e
发帖数: 311 | 2 恭喜，我你大概是one of their top candidates或有的地方叫acceptable group..
Chair也不确定Top candidates 会不会全来， 或有人会不来， 所以有点含糊不清。
但是他现在要和院长要资源了， 需要知道大概的数目。 |
l*********e
发帖数: 244 | 3 恭喜，你们面试的好早啊
我们还没结束申请....
faculty
I
that
【在 d*****t 的大作中提到】
: 前天的面试，今天系主任发了信（如下）。这个算准offer，还是算进short list了？
: Dear xxx,
: Thank you for taking the time to visit xxx to interview for the xxx faculty
: position.
: Following interviews, I gather feedback from faculty about the candidate. I
: then contact candidates that attract sufficient enthusiasm to start the
: process of developing a startup list. I am very pleased to let you know that
: you have moved to the next phase of this process.
: The final decision on offers is made following full evaluation of all
: candidates at a faculty meeting. Having this early negotiation process
|
M*P
发帖数: 6456 | 4 这是准offer。startup才给两年，这个比较tough。
：前天的面试，今天系主任发了信（如下）。这个算准offer，还是算进short list了？
： |
H****N
发帖数: 997 | 5 the chair is a little bit sneaky, be careful. |
M*P
发帖数: 6456 | 6 为什么这么说？
：the chair is a little bit sneaky, be careful. |
M*P
发帖数: 6456 | 7 你回信说咱们的8电话聊一下。然后探探口风
：前天的面试，今天系主任发了信（如下）。这个算准offer，还是算进short list了？
： |
M*****l
发帖数: 4478 | 8 准offer的意思。恭喜。但并不保险，可能还有一个三选二或者二选一的过程。
如果不是dream school或者还有其它大把面试，建议negotiate一下那个不能人员经费
不能超过两年的那一条。 |
H****N
发帖数: 997 | 9 because he makes very ambiguous statements. in most places, people would
make an offer to the first choice and say so very clearly, but he is still
fishing around here, and will pull back anytime as he likes.
【在 M*P 的大作中提到】
: 为什么这么说？
:
: ：the chair is a little bit sneaky, be careful.
|
w*******a
发帖数: 228 | 10 我建议不要怕，可以把你的另外一个已经到手的offer告诉他。如果他真的要你，自然
会加快流程，如果只是虚情假意，自然也不会理你了。这种交流模式很费解。 |
|
|
M*P
发帖数: 6456 | 11 因为start up是negotiation的一部分，所以话不能说死。这个挺明确的了。
：because he makes very ambiguous statements. in most places, people would
：make an offer to the first choice and say so very clearly, but he is still |
p******g
发帖数: 8316 | 12 两个角度去看：
1， 私下给你通风报信，但请注意contact candidates这个词，他用了复数，我给你
quote出来了， 说明这封信是统一的模板发给candidates---不是the only candidate.
而且他反复强调了，这是early negotiation,我给你也quote出来了。
2, 最后一段，保持了高度私密的态度。暗示你，这封信是给candidates发出，根本没
有给search committee发过。所以暗示你不要到处传播，因为最后一旦你落选，会显得
他lost credit了。
keep in mind, 任何无名无分，不能光明正大见人的事情，都是有变数和不确定性.
最后呢，总结一句，就是说，你是promising candidate, 也许你最终金榜题名，也许
你不是最好的，也许你给的budget里比别人的太多cost了，也许你negotiate的总体成
本也就是开出来的条件远高于其他candidates，这几种可能性都存在，都会导致不同的
结果。
faculty
I
the
that
【在 d*****t 的大作中提到】
: 前天的面试，今天系主任发了信（如下）。这个算准offer，还是算进short list了？
: Dear xxx,
: Thank you for taking the time to visit xxx to interview for the xxx faculty
: position.
: Following interviews, I gather feedback from faculty about the candidate. I
: then contact candidates that attract sufficient enthusiasm to start the
: process of developing a startup list. I am very pleased to let you know that
: you have moved to the next phase of this process.
: The final decision on offers is made following full evaluation of all
: candidates at a faculty meeting. Having this early negotiation process
|
H****N
发帖数: 997 | 13 It's not just on the start up that the chair was ambiguous. You can not even
tell how many people he is negotiating with at the moment.
still
【在 M*P 的大作中提到】
: 因为start up是negotiation的一部分，所以话不能说死。这个挺明确的了。
:
: ：because he makes very ambiguous statements. in most places, people would
: ：make an offer to the first choice and say so very clearly, but he is still
|
s******y
发帖数: 163 | 14 和这个聊完和那个聊，一堆counter offer，最后bid一个抄底价 |
H****N
发帖数: 997 | 15 that is the point
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 和这个聊完和那个聊，一堆counter offer，最后bid一个抄底价
|
d***a
发帖数: 13752 | 16 先恭喜一下楼主。同意这个分析；这个地方，没拿到正式offer之前，不能假设有offer
了。
【在 H****N 的大作中提到】
: because he makes very ambiguous statements. in most places, people would
: make an offer to the first choice and say so very clearly, but he is still
: fishing around here, and will pull back anytime as he likes.
|
d*****t
发帖数: 15 | 17 前天的面试，今天系主任发了信（如下）。这个算准offer，还是算进short list了？
Dear xxx,
Thank you for taking the time to visit xxx to interview for the xxx faculty
position.
Following interviews, I gather feedback from faculty about the candidate. I
then contact candidates that attract sufficient enthusiasm to start the
process of developing a startup list. I am very pleased to let you know that
you have moved to the next phase of this process.
The final decision on offers is made following full evaluation of all
candidates at a faculty meeting. Having this early negotiation process
started means that we can move faster on an offer as needed. I anticipate
extending offers in late November/December.
In order to determine a start-up package for your offer, I need to know what
you will need to get your research program up and running. It would be
helpful if you could work on putting together an itemized list of your start
-up needs. I have attached a template that you can work from, if that is
helpful.
Startup costs can include lab equipment and supplies, processing (e.g.
sequencing), personnel costs (summer salary for you, salary for graduate
students, postdocs, lab staff), travel, renovation and moving costs. Please
get estimated costs for any items you can. I will provide estimated costs
for personnel if you can just indicate who you anticipate needing. We can
determine any needed renovations after your second visit.
The expectation is that new faculty will receive a federal grant by their
third year, which will be used to support personnel. So we cannot extend
personnel costs beyond the first 2 years. Other expenses can extend into
year 3.
Keep in mind that this is an estimated summary of what you will need to get
your program up and running. It is not a contract. You will receive a lump
sum of money and can spend this as you see fit, including re-budgeting if
you receive a grant in your first year or two.
This list will not be shared with the Search Committee nor considered as we
determine offers. It is simply to allow me to negotiate the strongest offer
I can.
Please let me know if you have any questions. |
o*****e
发帖数: 311 | 18 恭喜，我你大概是one of their top candidates或有的地方叫acceptable group..
Chair也不确定Top candidates 会不会全来， 或有人会不来， 所以有点含糊不清。
但是他现在要和院长要资源了， 需要知道大概的数目。 |
l*********e
发帖数: 244 | 19 恭喜，你们面试的好早啊
我们还没结束申请....
faculty
I
that
【在 d*****t 的大作中提到】
: 前天的面试，今天系主任发了信（如下）。这个算准offer，还是算进short list了？
: Dear xxx,
: Thank you for taking the time to visit xxx to interview for the xxx faculty
: position.
: Following interviews, I gather feedback from faculty about the candidate. I
: then contact candidates that attract sufficient enthusiasm to start the
: process of developing a startup list. I am very pleased to let you know that
: you have moved to the next phase of this process.
: The final decision on offers is made following full evaluation of all
: candidates at a faculty meeting. Having this early negotiation process
|
M*P
发帖数: 6456 | 20 这是准offer。startup才给两年，这个比较tough。
：前天的面试，今天系主任发了信（如下）。这个算准offer，还是算进short list了？
： |
|
|
H****N
发帖数: 997 | 21 the chair is a little bit sneaky, be careful. |
M*P
发帖数: 6456 | 22 为什么这么说？
：the chair is a little bit sneaky, be careful. |
M*P
发帖数: 6456 | 23 你回信说咱们的8电话聊一下。然后探探口风
：前天的面试，今天系主任发了信（如下）。这个算准offer，还是算进short list了？
： |
M*****l
发帖数: 4478 | 24 准offer的意思。恭喜。但并不保险，可能还有一个三选二或者二选一的过程。
如果不是dream school或者还有其它大把面试，建议negotiate一下那个不能人员经费
不能超过两年的那一条。 |
H****N
发帖数: 997 | 25 because he makes very ambiguous statements. in most places, people would
make an offer to the first choice and say so very clearly, but he is still
fishing around here, and will pull back anytime as he likes.
【在 M*P 的大作中提到】
: 为什么这么说？
:
: ：the chair is a little bit sneaky, be careful.
|
w*******a
发帖数: 228 | 26 我建议不要怕，可以把你的另外一个已经到手的offer告诉他。如果他真的要你，自然
会加快流程，如果只是虚情假意，自然也不会理你了。这种交流模式很费解。 |
M*P
发帖数: 6456 | 27 因为start up是negotiation的一部分，所以话不能说死。这个挺明确的了。
：because he makes very ambiguous statements. in most places, people would
：make an offer to the first choice and say so very clearly, but he is still |
p******g
发帖数: 8316 | 28 两个角度去看：
1， 私下给你通风报信，但请注意contact candidates这个词，他用了复数，我给你
quote出来了， 说明这封信是统一的模板发给candidates---不是the only candidate.
而且他反复强调了，这是early negotiation,我给你也quote出来了。
2, 最后一段，保持了高度私密的态度。暗示你，这封信是给candidates发出，根本没
有给search committee发过。所以暗示你不要到处传播，因为最后一旦你落选，会显得
他lost credit了。
keep in mind, 任何无名无分，不能光明正大见人的事情，都是有变数和不确定性.
最后呢，总结一句，就是说，你是promising candidate, 也许你最终金榜题名，也许
你不是最好的，也许你给的budget里比别人的太多cost了，也许你negotiate的总体成
本也就是开出来的条件远高于其他candidates，这几种可能性都存在，都会导致不同的
结果。
faculty
I
the
that
【在 d*****t 的大作中提到】
: 前天的面试，今天系主任发了信（如下）。这个算准offer，还是算进short list了？
: Dear xxx,
: Thank you for taking the time to visit xxx to interview for the xxx faculty
: position.
: Following interviews, I gather feedback from faculty about the candidate. I
: then contact candidates that attract sufficient enthusiasm to start the
: process of developing a startup list. I am very pleased to let you know that
: you have moved to the next phase of this process.
: The final decision on offers is made following full evaluation of all
: candidates at a faculty meeting. Having this early negotiation process
|
H****N
发帖数: 997 | 29 It's not just on the start up that the chair was ambiguous. You can not even
tell how many people he is negotiating with at the moment.
still
【在 M*P 的大作中提到】
: 因为start up是negotiation的一部分，所以话不能说死。这个挺明确的了。
:
: ：because he makes very ambiguous statements. in most places, people would
: ：make an offer to the first choice and say so very clearly, but he is still
|
s******y
发帖数: 163 | 30 和这个聊完和那个聊，一堆counter offer，最后bid一个抄底价 |
|
|
H****N
发帖数: 997 | 31 that is the point
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 和这个聊完和那个聊，一堆counter offer，最后bid一个抄底价
|
d***a
发帖数: 13752 | 32 先恭喜一下楼主。同意这个分析；这个地方，没拿到正式offer之前，不能假设有offer
了。
【在 H****N 的大作中提到】
: because he makes very ambiguous statements. in most places, people would
: make an offer to the first choice and say so very clearly, but he is still
: fishing around here, and will pull back anytime as he likes.
|
d*****t
发帖数: 15 | 33 谢谢各位前辈的回复。这个学校还是很想去的，现在手上也没有其他的offer能够作为
bargain的筹码，只好先将startup list发给他然后再等等看了。 |
m*******p
发帖数: 1978 | 34 this is a 投石问路 offer. if you are not asking for anything unreasonable,
an offer will follow. congrats! |
