f****n
发帖数: 4615 | 1 不 suddenly death， 好像
The NFL has passed 2010 Playing Rule Proposal No. 8 -- Otherwise known as mo
dified overtime.
The new OT system will only apply to the playoffs for now. In essence, it ke
eps a team from winning a game by taking the opening kickoff in overtime, dr
iving a short field, and simply kicking a field goal. The team that wins the
coin toss is able to win the game with a touchdown on the first possession
of overtime. A field goal would allow the other team to get one possession t
o |
l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 2 This is a good question. I saw it on the ESPN NFC North blog.
A few weeks ago, Mark of Denver asked what would happen under the new rule
if a team opens overtime with an onside kick, recovers it and then kicks a
field goal on the ensuing possession. I deferred a final answer until we got
the exact wording of the rule. |
s*****a
发帖数: 3693 | 3 I think it should be counted as a win in this case.
got
【在 l*x 的大作中提到】
: This is a good question. I saw it on the ESPN NFC North blog.
: A few weeks ago, Mark of Denver asked what would happen under the new rule
: if a team opens overtime with an onside kick, recovers it and then kicks a
: field goal on the ensuing possession. I deferred a final answer until we got
: the exact wording of the rule.
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G******y
发帖数: 1831 | 4 The key is that both team needs to have the ball if only field goal is made.
Thus if the kick off team decides to onside kick and lose the ball, the
other team kicks a field goal should win. On the contrary, if the team who
kicks the onside kick recovers and gets a field goal, the game does not end.
【在 s*****a 的大作中提到】
: I think it should be counted as a win in this case.
:
: got
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 5 Right. The receiving team never has possession if the kicking team recovers
the onside kick.
But I don't think we will ever see this being called in our life time --
that's even more audacious than choosing
to defend after winning the OT coin toss in the old format.
made.
end.
【在 G******y 的大作中提到】
: The key is that both team needs to have the ball if only field goal is made.
: Thus if the kick off team decides to onside kick and lose the ball, the
: other team kicks a field goal should win. On the contrary, if the team who
: kicks the onside kick recovers and gets a field goal, the game does not end.
|
s*****a
发帖数: 3693 | 6 but the kicking team gambled with the onside kick, I think the spirit
of gamble should be rewarded
made.
end.
【在 G******y 的大作中提到】
: The key is that both team needs to have the ball if only field goal is made.
: Thus if the kick off team decides to onside kick and lose the ball, the
: other team kicks a field goal should win. On the contrary, if the team who
: kicks the onside kick recovers and gets a field goal, the game does not end.
|
l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 7 I think I agree with starsee.
Replace the onsite kick with a regular kickoff. If the returner does not
catch the football, and the kicking team recover it. The kicking team should
be able to win the game with a field goal, even though the receiving team
have never had procession of the football. They got the chance, but they
failed. |
l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 8 What about a safety on the opening drive? Will it end the game? I am not
sure.
If not, the team who score a safety will receive the kickoff, and should
they be able to win the game by kicking a field goal. I think they should. |
J**e
发帖数: 15008 | 9 safety完了还是对方进攻啊
【在 l*x 的大作中提到】
: What about a safety on the opening drive? Will it end the game? I am not
: sure.
: If not, the team who score a safety will receive the kickoff, and should
: they be able to win the game by kicking a field goal. I think they should.
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m******m
发帖数: 11847 | 10 i am with you
【在 s*****a 的大作中提到】
: but the kicking team gambled with the onside kick, I think the spirit
: of gamble should be rewarded
:
: made.
: end.
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l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 11 That's what I meant. 2 points for safety and then 3 points for the field
goal.
【在 J**e 的大作中提到】
: safety完了还是对方进攻啊
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J**e
发帖数: 15008 | 12 只要双方都拿过球就可以肥狗了啊
【在 l*x 的大作中提到】
: That's what I meant. 2 points for safety and then 3 points for the field
: goal.
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B*****m
发帖数: 679 | 13 为什么教练都很痛恨新规则？虽然他们如果到了ot，要做一个新的决定。可比赛也更公
平，他们也不会因为硬币而输掉比赛，不明白他们怎么想的。
mo
ke
dr
the
possession
t
【在 f****n 的大作中提到】
: 不 suddenly death， 好像
: The NFL has passed 2010 Playing Rule Proposal No. 8 -- Otherwise known as mo
: dified overtime.
: The new OT system will only apply to the playoffs for now. In essence, it ke
: eps a team from winning a game by taking the opening kickoff in overtime, dr
: iving a short field, and simply kicking a field goal. The team that wins the
: coin toss is able to win the game with a touchdown on the first possession
: of overtime. A field goal would allow the other team to get one possession t
: o
|
J**e
发帖数: 15008 | 14 以前不用动脑筋赢了就选要球好了，现在赢了不知道该选什么了
【在 B*****m 的大作中提到】
: 为什么教练都很痛恨新规则？虽然他们如果到了ot，要做一个新的决定。可比赛也更公
: 平，他们也不会因为硬币而输掉比赛，不明白他们怎么想的。
:
: mo
: ke
: dr
: the
: possession
: t
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B*****m
发帖数: 679 | 15 可是一般的可能性会猜输，现在猜输也有机会啊
【在 J**e 的大作中提到】
: 以前不用动脑筋赢了就选要球好了，现在赢了不知道该选什么了
|
J**e
发帖数: 15008 | 16 那就不是教练可以控制的了
【在 B*****m 的大作中提到】
: 可是一般的可能性会猜输，现在猜输也有机会啊
|
a**u
发帖数: 762 | 17 没有选择其实就是最好的选择。
【在 J**e 的大作中提到】
: 以前不用动脑筋赢了就选要球好了，现在赢了不知道该选什么了
|
l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 18 刚才ESPN看到了，一共4条：
1. If the first team with ball scores TD, it wins.
2. If first team with ball makes FG, other team will get opportunity to tie
or win.
3. If both teams make FG, next team score wins
4. Any score by opposing defense or special teams ends game.
所以：
1。没有提到onside kick 的问题。
2。基本原则和我原来预想的"每个队至少一次进攻机会“很接近。但有两点不同：
a. 第一个进攻的队如果TD,则该队赢。
b. 这点是根据我的对以上文字的理解,可能不是NFL的原意：如果前两次进攻两队都没
得分，第三次，第五次，...进攻如果是FG，对方仍然有进攻机会。也就是说先进攻的
队不存在飞狗突然死亡的可能（除非双方都有过一次FG).
如果2b是真的，那先进攻的队就有一个很大劣势。但先进攻的队如果能TD，那也算赢。
所以双 |
l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 19 I think all those 4 rules only apply for the first series of each team. So
if no team scores on their first procession, the old OT rules apply, and
that means first team score wins, even with a FG.
A safety will end the game, as it is scored by the opposing defense.
It also seems like onside kick is no different than regular kickoff as far
as the OT rules are concerned.
But it still does not answer this scenario: if the kicking team recover the
football on the opening kickoff, whether onsite kic |
k*****n
发帖数: 9823 | 20 同样也不会因为硬币赢比赛了啊
【在 B*****m 的大作中提到】
: 为什么教练都很痛恨新规则？虽然他们如果到了ot，要做一个新的决定。可比赛也更公
: 平，他们也不会因为硬币而输掉比赛，不明白他们怎么想的。
:
: mo
: ke
: dr
: the
: possession
: t
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 21 其实搞这么复杂干啥，学NCAA，每人一次进攻机会，把起始线往后调到40-50yard左右
就行了。 |
J**e
发帖数: 15008 | 22 那就不是football了，你养specialteam那么多人都没用了
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: 其实搞这么复杂干啥，学NCAA，每人一次进攻机会，把起始线往后调到40-50yard左右
: 就行了。
|
b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 23 直接扔硬币算了。
【在 J**e 的大作中提到】
: 那就不是football了，你养specialteam那么多人都没用了
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s**********l
发帖数: 8966 | 24 以前那个不是很公平么？
OT从35 yard开球就好了，好像正好是那5 yard让50%左右的平局倾斜了。
mo
ke
dr
the
possession
t
【在 f****n 的大作中提到】
: 不 suddenly death， 好像
: The NFL has passed 2010 Playing Rule Proposal No. 8 -- Otherwise known as mo
: dified overtime.
: The new OT system will only apply to the playoffs for now. In essence, it ke
: eps a team from winning a game by taking the opening kickoff in overtime, dr
: iving a short field, and simply kicking a field goal. The team that wins the
: coin toss is able to win the game with a touchdown on the first possession
: of overtime. A field goal would allow the other team to get one possession t
: o
|
a****y
发帖数: 2548 | 25 我觉得这个理解是对的，主要是对first series来说，如果kickoff team拿到球，只要
得分就应该赢球结束，因为receiving team有机会拿球，没有拿到是自己的问题，相当
于放弃了first possession。
the
【在 l*x 的大作中提到】
: I think all those 4 rules only apply for the first series of each team. So
: if no team scores on their first procession, the old OT rules apply, and
: that means first team score wins, even with a FG.
: A safety will end the game, as it is scored by the opposing defense.
: It also seems like onside kick is no different than regular kickoff as far
: as the OT rules are concerned.
: But it still does not answer this scenario: if the kicking team recover the
: football on the opening kickoff, whether onsite kic
|
l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | |
L*******r
发帖数: 5448 | 27 k,真复杂，以老美的能力比赛的时候能记住吗
tie
【在 l*****8 的大作中提到】
: 刚才ESPN看到了，一共4条：
: 1. If the first team with ball scores TD, it wins.
: 2. If first team with ball makes FG, other team will get opportunity to tie
: or win.
: 3. If both teams make FG, next team score wins
: 4. Any score by opposing defense or special teams ends game.
: 所以：
: 1。没有提到onside kick 的问题。
: 2。基本原则和我原来预想的"每个队至少一次进攻机会“很接近。但有两点不同：
: a. 第一个进攻的队如果TD,则该队赢。
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 28 我也在想, 很可能会有人因为不清楚规则闹笑话, 甚至吃亏.
前几年Donovan McNabb打完了加时赛才知道是可以有平局的，
还理直气壮的反问, 难道在超级碗有平局, 也不继续打下去...
他都是十年的老兵了，
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: k,真复杂，以老美的能力比赛的时候能记住吗
:
: tie
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | |
Q******g
发帖数: 607 | 30 no draw in playoffs
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: 严肃的问，超级碗有平局？
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