l*******z
发帖数: 4276 | 1 居然对方3down failed的时候没有立即叫暂停 |
P*******e
发帖数: 39399 | 2 之前是调整的还行 call叫得乱七八糟
今天后者依然不行 oline基本上也还是没有调整
明天估计就知道Lynch怎么回事了 必然有伤
下周可以再养一周 PH过几天估计activate了
【在 l*******z 的大作中提到】
: 居然对方3down failed的时候没有立即叫暂停
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l*******z
发帖数: 4276 | 3 这些play calling 都是可以讨论的。但这个暂停不叫就是脑残啊。眼睁睁的让Rams把
时间耗到4秒，如果TD了自己就没有任何机会了。如果叫了暂停，Rams还是只有一次机
会，但自己20多秒和两个TO, RW就完全还有机会啊。
【在 P*******e 的大作中提到】
: 之前是调整的还行 call叫得乱七八糟
: 今天后者依然不行 oline基本上也还是没有调整
: 明天估计就知道Lynch怎么回事了 必然有伤
: 下周可以再养一周 PH过几天估计activate了
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P*******e
发帖数: 39399 | 4 你还挺清醒 我当时基本只顾紧张没想那么多
PC time mgmt问题不止这一个
今天我一度在想要不要放个TD算了 不过也就是一闪而过
我忘了具体的时间了 但是估计也只够kickoff的了 能有一个play的可能性都很小
【在 l*******z 的大作中提到】
: 这些play calling 都是可以讨论的。但这个暂停不叫就是脑残啊。眼睁睁的让Rams把
: 时间耗到4秒，如果TD了自己就没有任何机会了。如果叫了暂停，Rams还是只有一次机
: 会，但自己20多秒和两个TO, RW就完全还有机会啊。
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G**Y
发帖数: 33224 | 5 这个时候绝对不能放。毕竟是领先的。而且今天进攻根本不利。
不过今天能胜实在是命大，2码地方冲三次的话。80%的NFL队都能搞定吧？
最后一个drive基本上就是温水煮青蛙般的把时间耗光了。
TO确实值得商榷，不过自己TO也需要魄力呀。
【在 P*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你还挺清醒 我当时基本只顾紧张没想那么多
: PC time mgmt问题不止这一个
: 今天我一度在想要不要放个TD算了 不过也就是一闪而过
: 我忘了具体的时间了 但是估计也只够kickoff的了 能有一个play的可能性都很小
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l*******z
发帖数: 4276 | 6 They were on 4th down on the goal line, there is no more play for them
regardless of the time. And the time would have been vital for us had them
converted. That's so no brainer to me, very surprised no one on the
sideline told Pete that.
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 这个时候绝对不能放。毕竟是领先的。而且今天进攻根本不利。
: 不过今天能胜实在是命大，2码地方冲三次的话。80%的NFL队都能搞定吧？
: 最后一个drive基本上就是温水煮青蛙般的把时间耗光了。
: TO确实值得商榷，不过自己TO也需要魄力呀。
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P*******e
发帖数: 39399 | 7 没那么高的成功率 1码还差不多 2码差很远
考虑到今天的防守和进攻 不放肯定是对的
放的事小鸡那次sb印象还不够深刻啊。。。 绝对是good call
前两天奶酪的lacy给大家展示了什么叫放了都不要
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 这个时候绝对不能放。毕竟是领先的。而且今天进攻根本不利。
: 不过今天能胜实在是命大，2码地方冲三次的话。80%的NFL队都能搞定吧？
: 最后一个drive基本上就是温水煮青蛙般的把时间耗光了。
: TO确实值得商榷，不过自己TO也需要魄力呀。
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P******g
发帖数: 1188 | 8 如果领先少于3分，考虑放。否则死抗到最后一口气。同意长人，该叫暂停，当时一眨
眼就发现只有4秒了。
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【在 P*******e 的大作中提到】
: 没那么高的成功率 1码还差不多 2码差很远
: 考虑到今天的防守和进攻 不放肯定是对的
: 放的事小鸡那次sb印象还不够深刻啊。。。 绝对是good call
: 前两天奶酪的lacy给大家展示了什么叫放了都不要
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l*******z
发帖数: 4276 | 9 保险起见，应该在4th down还有24秒的时候叫。我甚至觉得对方在10 yards 内first
down了我们就应该开始叫TO了。
【在 P******g 的大作中提到】
: 如果领先少于3分，考虑放。否则死抗到最后一口气。同意长人，该叫暂停，当时一眨
: 眼就发现只有4秒了。
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
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P*******e
发帖数: 39399 | 10 稳妥点的话留一个to 剩下的应该都用了
【在 l*******z 的大作中提到】
: 保险起见，应该在4th down还有24秒的时候叫。我甚至觉得对方在10 yards 内first
: down了我们就应该开始叫TO了。
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R*3
发帖数: 11814 | 11 赞冷静。我当时脑子里就是FXXK，FXXK， FXXK了。
【在 l*******z 的大作中提到】
: 这些play calling 都是可以讨论的。但这个暂停不叫就是脑残啊。眼睁睁的让Rams把
: 时间耗到4秒，如果TD了自己就没有任何机会了。如果叫了暂停，Rams还是只有一次机
: 会，但自己20多秒和两个TO, RW就完全还有机会啊。
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l*******z
发帖数: 4276 | 12 我觉得PC需要一个Clock management assistant, 有兄弟能内推小弟不
【在 R*3 的大作中提到】
: 赞冷静。我当时脑子里就是FXXK，FXXK， FXXK了。
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R*3
发帖数: 11814 | 13 我就只能给个包子，其他能人赶紧上。呵呵。
【在 l*******z 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得PC需要一个Clock management assistant, 有兄弟能内推小弟不
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 14 不叫TO有个小概率的好处，时间拖完了可以尽情physical.大不了再让他们
攻一次。20多秒时候TO的问题是端区里人潮人海万一弄出来个automatically
first down，软木就瞬间多了三四个机会。前边Browner已经胡乱physical
吃了两次大亏。
一眨
【在 l*******z 的大作中提到】
: 保险起见，应该在4th down还有24秒的时候叫。我甚至觉得对方在10 yards 内first
: down了我们就应该开始叫TO了。
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l*******z
发帖数: 4276 | 15 Yes, I thought of that, but I think obviously very small odds to be against
us. They had to fail the 4th down and got a penalty to give them a first
down (not offside type that does not give new downs), and then fails again
on the next down without any defense penalty, and then succeeded and later
tries to have this TO make a difference against us. And it was on the 1 yard
line, how likely you think they needed 2 more chances? It's indeed a very
small side effect of an obvious benefit.
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: 不叫TO有个小概率的好处，时间拖完了可以尽情physical.大不了再让他们
: 攻一次。20多秒时候TO的问题是端区里人潮人海万一弄出来个automatically
: first down，软木就瞬间多了三四个机会。前边Browner已经胡乱physical
: 吃了两次大亏。
:
: 一眨
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 16 Disagree. The more I think, the more I believe PC
made the better decision intentionally or
unintentionally.
Calling TO was the traditional thinking in normal
games, but think about the reward and risk in
this game's context.
On the reward side, scoring a FG in 20 seconds
and 2TO is theoretically possible but always very
very unlikely. In this particular game, Rams D wasn't
exhausted like in a normal game, so no cheap easy
completion; Hawks were playing on the road, so no
phantom PI for help; Hawks didn't have PM and his
weapons or a dominant OL plus Megatron/Cruz; even
the fake No. 1 Rice was out of the game; Hawks
would play against the pumpped up Rams D with
home fans behind and huge momentum; Hawks had
struggled the whole game to get ONE smooth
1st down--so that 20 seconds FG was really a meaningless
hope with pretty much zero reward.
On the risk side, I believe the odd of Rams
failing to TD yet getting a penalty was very real
at that point. It's not a small possibility to
stop Rams 2 or 3 more times if Rams got the chance.
Most teams would have got a rushing TD on 1 yard line,
yet Rams had failed twice, including a free offside
play. Everybody knew they would pass. Passing was
much easier than running to get a penalty in the
red zone. With 24 seconds and a struggling Red Zone
offense, Fisher could design a play that manufactures
body contact. When a call could go either way,
these factors would be in the referees' minds:
all the NFC contenders were praying for a Rams win,
Rams were playing at home, Rams deserved a win by
dominating the whole game. And it's not like the
referees would give Rams a free gift of non-existent TD.
Calling a penalty means Rams still needed to
deliver by themselves. So a call slightly favoring
Rams would not make the referees feel guilty
or piss off the media. Everybody would say: Hawks
played such an ugly game that why the hell dare
you whine about one controversial call? What would
happen with 20 seconds and a Rams first down? Rams
could afford a couple of passes and a carefully
designed QB run or QB sneak--fundamentally different
from 4th down and 4 seconds to go.
Nobody knows what PC was thinking, but I can certainly
relate to him. I was pissed off when Clemens committed
that offside penalty after a great stop. If PC was
as pissed off as I was, the thing he hated most would
be giving Rams more free chances like that. So it wasn't
a tough choice of calling TO or not. The risk of calling
TO was quite high, and the reward was as low as none.
against
yard
【在 l*******z 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I thought of that, but I think obviously very small odds to be against
: us. They had to fail the 4th down and got a penalty to give them a first
: down (not offside type that does not give new downs), and then fails again
: on the next down without any defense penalty, and then succeeded and later
: tries to have this TO make a difference against us. And it was on the 1 yard
: line, how likely you think they needed 2 more chances? It's indeed a very
: small side effect of an obvious benefit.
:
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d*********7
发帖数: 1668 | 17
你这个最重要的假设是 20秒加2个暂停拼个fg只是理论上的可能性
假定进攻从自己20码开始的话 打到对方40就可以试一脚的话
其实就是20秒要前进40码 两个大点的 first down就差不多了 而且这个时候不担心
int
希望应该不小
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: Disagree. The more I think, the more I believe PC
: made the better decision intentionally or
: unintentionally.
: Calling TO was the traditional thinking in normal
: games, but think about the reward and risk in
: this game's context.
: On the reward side, scoring a FG in 20 seconds
: and 2TO is theoretically possible but always very
: very unlikely. In this particular game, Rams D wasn't
: exhausted like in a normal game, so no cheap easy
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l*******z
发帖数: 4276 | 18 So it sounds like Fisher should have called the TO right away?
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: Disagree. The more I think, the more I believe PC
: made the better decision intentionally or
: unintentionally.
: Calling TO was the traditional thinking in normal
: games, but think about the reward and risk in
: this game's context.
: On the reward side, scoring a FG in 20 seconds
: and 2TO is theoretically possible but always very
: very unlikely. In this particular game, Rams D wasn't
: exhausted like in a normal game, so no cheap easy
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 19 I think BB would call TO right away to design a trick play
or create a body contact. Fisher is much more conservative,
so he just played in the conventional thinking. However,
if PC called TO for him, Fisher could play some tricks, too.
【在 l*******z 的大作中提到】
: So it sounds like Fisher should have called the TO right away?
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