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The complete Reflect Damage Guide
© CountFury, master theorycrafter
What is Reflect Damage?
- An elite affix that returns 15%-20% of the damage you deal, onto you.
It does not affect people with below 40k dps. However, when you get above
85k unbuffed,
you can receive some heavy damage by attacking the monsters, and your heavy
hitting skills will sometimes 1-shot you.
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First of all,
you have to have your resistance and armor taken care of.
for higher MPs, you will need.
At Least 400 resistance, at least 4k armor, and at least 35k HP.
Then,
to counter Reflect Damage,
you have to understand the Past, Present, and Future, of your healing ticks.
i.e. while taking the damage; having the before heal, the during heal, and
the after heal.
The Trinity of Healing
The before heal : Life Regen.
This will replenishing when you are not directly attacking the mobs. It
gives you a cushion to take the reflect before you hit them. Have at at
least 1k life regen and you will see a difference. Life Regen gives you life
BEFORE the actual hits you inflict, and will fill your hp when you are
kiting.
The during heal : Life On Hit.
This will ensure that as you hit the monsters with your regular attacks, you
will gain health in the process. It acts as a damage mitigation, the
healing amount varies from skill to skill, by coeficient %, most often
highest on your basic attacks, and lowest on your strongest attacks.
Attack speed directly influences how fast you will heal. Notice the word On
Hit, this stats will give you direct life DURING your hit.
The after heal : Life Steal.
This allows damage you deal to be converted to life.
Unlike Life on Hit, it applies to all your skills.
The higher dps a skill has, the more life you gain back. Thus, it is the
reverse of Life on Hit, from the opposite dps spectrum. I.E., your basic
attacks will not return much lifesteal, but your heavy attacks will.
Life Steal's mechanics returns life - a split mili-second AFTER you do the
damage.
(and that is why you can still die on RD even with LS, because if you hit
hard enough, you can ko yourself before it has a chance to heal you.)
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Life on Hit vs Life Steal.
Life on Hit is universally good with all gear levels.
When you reach 1000 LoH, you will be able to mitigate the majority of damage
you receive.
LoH is essential for effective tanking, and is recommended for all players'
survivability.
You however, will be sacrificing quite a few stat points by getting up to 1k
LoH.
Life Steal, is better than LoH when you reach high dps, at 60k(melee), 100k(
range), is where you'll begin to see it making a difference. LS is essential
for effective survival with high DPSers.
LS is more effective to gear when you have high dps, because you won't
sacrificing as much stats as stacking LoH.
And you will only need 2%-3% LS on 1 weapon, whereas with LoH, you need to
stack it in various gears until you reach 1k.
Think of LoH as the Lightside, LS as the Darkside, and Life Regen as the
balance between both.
They are all end-game stats that you should strive to get.
You will only need 1 out of 3, having all 3 is great, but stacking them all
is counterproductive.
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Important Note about LS.
Once you reach over 100k dps unbuffed.
Even with Lifesteal, If you cast a nuke skill, and don't have a decent
health pool, it will still kill you.
For example, a DH with 150k unbuffed dps, 30k HP, casting a Cluster Arrow -
Loaded For Bear, crits 1mil on all 3 elites; will still die even with Gloom
on.
some Math:
1mil x 3 = 3mil.
15% of 3mil = 450k dmg reflected.
lets say 50% damage reduction from armor, and then 50% from resistance.
so 450 / 2 / 2 = 115k
35% reduction from Gloom, which mitigates another 40k from that.
so you receive 75k damage back, if you crit 3 mil on the elite.
75k dmg receive, is higher than 30k HP, so the DH gets 1shot even with Gloom
on.
(but this is an extreme case and shouldn't happen.)
That is because Lifesteal is the AFTER heal.
It means you deal the damage first -> then you get reflected -> then you
heal from LS.
All in a split second.
So if the reflected damage, is higher than your maximum HP, you will get 1
shot and not have the chance to heal.
Another example is Monk using Exploding Palm on MP6 and above on an RD pack.
In which case, just cast serenity before the death explosion.
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*On using all 3.
If you want total control over RD, then get all 3.
at least 700 regen, 700 LoH, and 2.5 Life Steal.
but don't stack them, because that would gimp your other stats.
Now, to better explain the order of which application goes first,
it's like this.
Life Regeneration
HP you gain -> Damage you deal -> Damage you get reflected.
Life on Hit
Damage you deal -> HP you gain -> Damage you get reflected.
Life Steal
Damage you deal -> Damage you get reflected -> HP you gain.
All coded in a split second.
Thus.
The purpose of regen is to give you health before you attack or when not
attacking.
The purpose of LoH, is for your basic attacks to sustain you.
and the purpose of LS, is for the heavy hitters, to give you a refill on HP.
They are like proton-neutron-electron.
Just have a little bit of "Atom", and you will be fine with RD.
;)
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THEN,
you will need to know WHICH skill, procs a lot of Life on Hit. Include that
skill in your build,
most often it's a primary skill anyways. For example: frenzy / fists of
thunder / piercing orb, etc.
After that,
include a heavy damage skill that is strong, but does not hit too hard, and
can be cast often.
For example, Arcane Orb, Acid Cloud. This is for the life steal, you want it
to do high damage, but not to the point where it can crit the pack and 1
shot you.
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Some people may not want to change their build "just for 1 affix",
but that is wrong, because having the combination of 2 skills that you can
benefit from both,
will greatly increase your survival rate with all other affixes as well.
Also, a lot of your builds are old builds from 1.0.3, it's time to adjust
and adapt now.
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Now, for Reflect Damage combat.
Life Regen will replenish you when you are not attacking the enemies, and/or
kiting. (the before heal)
Life On Hit will sustain you when you are attack with your basics. (the
during heal)
Life Steal will defend you, when you unleash your heavy hitting attacks. (
the after heal)
Most people having trouble with RD, are using Life Steal without regen, thus
not being able to sustain life during general attacks. They unload their
strong skills and are killed in the process.
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Strategies for middle to higher MPs. (4-6, 7-10)
If you're getting pwned by RD in (0-3), then you are not gearing right. (see
the sections above.)
If you're getting pwned by RD in 4-7, then your gear and skills may not good
enough, consider having more armor and/or resistance.
and If you meet all the above qualifications and your gears are great, and
still getting pwned by RD, then you are just bad.
- Important -
Carry a lower dps weapon, with high Life on Hit and good attack speed with
you, swap it when you encounter RD. (Speed recommended : Sword, Dagger, or
an axe with IAS)
Monk Strategy
With RD, you have to get smart.
The typical click-click-click > press buttons > kill before get killed,
doesn't work.
- If you do not have high LoH and attack speed, then don't use Sweeping Wind
on an RD pack, when you have over 85k dps that is.
If your dps is decent, you Should be able to take them down without the need
to rely on SW. This is being the damage of the surround Sweeping Wind
itself, and all the cyclones, will be returned to you. (as they are hitting
all 3 of the elites)
However, if your dps is high, AND you have lifesteal, Then you can do SW
anytime you want, the healing will scale perfectly with the damage reflected
and keep you healthy, but you will need high attack speed (and crit chance)
to get a lot of cyclones.
- Seven-sided Strike : this is your chance to unleash damage, SSS gives you
a 1.5 seconds invulnerability, and resets enemy aggro. It is like a double-
purpose Smoke Screen. Incorporate it into your build, you will though have
to give up Breath of Heaven - Blazing Wrath.
- Serenity : during the 3-4 seconds immunity, you can unleash your spirit
spenders, and stockpile them up again with basic attack when serenity wears
out.
- Strategic Kiting for cool down / life regen / health globes.
I recommend all monks to be able to strategic kite for 3 seconds. If you can
do that, your survivability will increase.
- I understand that the STI nerf will take some time to get used to, but if
you are failing Monk in 1.0.5 at MP5 or below, even with good gears, then it
means you lack the skills to play a mobility class like the monk or the DH,
and should reroll a different one.
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Demon Hunter Strategy
Now with the DH, the skill that will allow you guard against RD, is Shadow
Power. (Blood Moon / Gloom)
And because you do very high damage, you need to also carry a high LoH
weapon. (buy cheap ones with high vit and LoH, dual wield 1h xbows like a
boss!)
Start out with your strong bow, use Shadow Power, when your life or
discipline is low, then swap.
After you get the LoH bows, you will need to incorporate this skill in your
build.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#a!!Z
Don't ask why Cinder Arrow and don't talk about it (for obvious reasons).
Just use it with Loh Weapons and you'll see.
I would like to see more dual wielding DHs, especially for RD swap.
You can equip both bows by equipping the first one, then press and hold ALT,
then right click the other.
Note:
For Bola shot users.
here's a post by Xuu on page 5.
verify this for the Bola Shot users,
IF you cast bola shot BEFORE you cast Gloom. you will STILL get reflect
damage when the bola shot exploded.
It happened to me on many occassions.
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Wizard Strategy
(also see my next posts below, or the discussion on 2nd page)
These are the skills that will provide good LoH,
Shock Pulse - Piercing Orb
Magic Missle
Spectral Blade - Deep Cuts
Electrocute
if you are running CM freeze / Archon,
you won't benefit much from LoH or Regen, (unless you really stack regen)
so you best have a back up lifesteal weapon, for when an RD pack shows up.
For RD co-mitigation,
Diamond SKin - Crystal Shell
and Teleport - Safe Passage (30% damage mitigation)
Energy Armor - Force Armor (you will need a large health pool)
Magic Weapon - Blood Magic (1.5 life steal)
Spectral Blade - Healing Blades (5% lifesteal on blades)
Ice Armor - Crystallize (60% armor buff)
Blur
Edit : For archon people, run Ice Armor Crystallize and you will be fine.
The 60% armor buff helps a lot, and you also get a free 12% melee reduction.
Also when mobs are frozen while they melee you, at least you're not taking
their attacks along with their RD.
now if you are running Storm Armor,
you better have good armor and resistance, because every time a lightning
bolt crits, you get hurt real bad.
and If you run Storm Armor with Archon, USE Scramble, Scramble to those
health globes asap. >:D
oh yea, and Hydra will mess you up.
you get no healing of any form from Hydra, none. Yet they reflect their
damage onto you.
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Barbarian Strategy
- As barb, you shouldn't have much problem with RD if you're using the
passive Bloodthirst, and have a belt with Lifesteal.
For other cases,
recognize the potency of these 3 skills.
- Rend : Bloodlust (for Renders)
- Overpower : Crushing Advance. (for whirlwinders)
- Ignore Pain : Ignorance is Bliss. (for tankers)
'nuff said.
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Witch Doctor Strategy
- Just like Wizard, carry a backup Lifesteal weapon, since you don't have
much LS skills.
- you can't die if you have 850 LoH and using Rain of Toads or Acid Rain,
period.
also,
- Horrify Frightening aspect. Takes your armor and double it, for 8 seconds.
Enough for you to down that RD pack's HP.
- Spirit Walk : any rune. Notably Jaunt or Healing Journey.
- Your pets will kill you, because their damage get reflected onto you.
However, If you're gonna use pets with RD, use these 2 runes.
--- Burning Dogs.
--- Big Stinker.
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Extreme combinations
RD is extra hard when it comes with certain affixes.
I will mention these 2, as it makes the battle a lot more intense.
1 - Reflect Damage + Molten + Mortar + ___
This is an insane combination, the reason is, melees cannot stand on the
pool and take the RD at the same time. And range cannot kite effectively
while dodging all the mortars.
This takes planning and tactics. (Thus SKILLS, which most people deny.)
2 - Reflect Damage + Health Link
When you hit 1 elite, you hit all 3...
Separate them immediately.
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Last but not least,
for those with extreme high dps and getting hurt by RD because they refuse
to use LoH or LS weap. My advice for you is this, which sums up the RD topic.
- Drop the Arrogance, and Swap the Weapon.
because if you do absurd amount of dps, over 250k unbuffed, you will still
die when you cast a nuke skill, it will one shot you before you get the
chance to heal.
That is all for Reflect Damage.
Thank you, good luck, and have fun!!
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P.S.
for those interested in seeing my stats,
here is my profile,
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/CountFury-1192/hero/9125843
nothing OP, just good gears through hard finds and intense farming savings.
No RMAH.
and profile not update, my monk dps is actually 103k atm.
anyways, discuss! | w******n
发帖数: 13202 | 2 dh的阅读心得：妖魔鬼怪一露面，别管是谁，先支起一双美丽的小翅膀。。。。。 | A***d
发帖数: 4037 | 3 主要是dh的ls, loh没啥武器可用 (除非单持或者黄弩)
否则在防守不错的情况下, 完全可以摒弃shadow power. 损失一些stat, 在ammy, ring
上找loh, 在武器上找个ls, 然后各种life regen(要是能找到D大那样的敏捷ammy的话
......)
是我下个测试的路线. 还在研究各种的proc ...
这个对防守要求很高, 但是pvp的时候完全解放了戒律的压力了.
如果有哪位有dex 的 loh, ls的东西,可以借来用一下.
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: dh的阅读心得：妖魔鬼怪一露面，别管是谁，先支起一双美丽的小翅膀。。。。。
| c******n
发帖数: 7263 | 4 我的尼姑正是周末dps上了6w之后开始感觉到反伤的可怕的，昨天上了7w了，更痛 | g*****e
发帖数: 10097 | | r*********g
发帖数: 11078 | 6 瞄了一下 这个写得太华丽了吧。。。好多废话。。。 | w******n
发帖数: 13202 | 7 的确，pvp的情况下，被动回戒律就完全无用了，必须上老娜套，那个stat简直蛋疼。
。。。戒律压力很大。顶级对顶级，dh要流泪。。。
manticore可以roll到ls，只是一般都是2.9%，配上项链的900以上的loh，估计倒是可
以的。只是如果dps有15万以上，打反伤可能还是要头疼。
貌似，不用shadow power的话，还是单持可能性大一些。
ring
话
【在 A***d 的大作中提到】
: 主要是dh的ls, loh没啥武器可用 (除非单持或者黄弩)
: 否则在防守不错的情况下, 完全可以摒弃shadow power. 损失一些stat, 在ammy, ring
: 上找loh, 在武器上找个ls, 然后各种life regen(要是能找到D大那样的敏捷ammy的话
: ......)
: 是我下个测试的路线. 还在研究各种的proc ...
: 这个对防守要求很高, 但是pvp的时候完全解放了戒律的压力了.
: 如果有哪位有dex 的 loh, ls的东西,可以借来用一下.
| D*****o
发帖数: 904 | 8 他应该不是玩法师的。。。。
冰法1000击回在高攻速的情况下类似10000秒回。
不过现在囧的是用了定时炸弹符文，在冰冷之血伤害护罩等等作用下一下炸能接近百万
，碰到反伤的就会破钻石甲，然后钻石甲再炸个30万。。。如果进到反伤小怪堆里面，
真伤不起 | m**m
发帖数: 5500 | 9 纸上谈兵吧。如果为了防止反伤来选装备或者stat的下限，完全是舍本逐末。
反伤很容易搞定：跳过（只有工程兽跳不过），打打停停，多死几次。我还没看见这三
种方法搞不定的反伤怪。 | g*****h
发帖数: 3335 | 10 最后一个方法最好
【在 m**m 的大作中提到】
: 纸上谈兵吧。如果为了防止反伤来选装备或者stat的下限，完全是舍本逐末。
: 反伤很容易搞定：跳过（只有工程兽跳不过），打打停停，多死几次。我还没看见这三
: 种方法搞不定的反伤怪。
| m**m
发帖数: 5500 | 11 忘了补充了。等下一个版本暴雪削弱反伤，现在堆“反反伤”的岂不是又要被打脸。。
这个游戏慢一步、低一档，省钱省海得去了。
【在 m**m 的大作中提到】
: 纸上谈兵吧。如果为了防止反伤来选装备或者stat的下限，完全是舍本逐末。
: 反伤很容易搞定：跳过（只有工程兽跳不过），打打停停，多死几次。我还没看见这三
: 种方法搞不定的反伤怪。
| c******n
发帖数: 7263 | 12 某神学不是说这样掉东西会比较好么，呵呵
【在 g*****h 的大作中提到】
: 最后一个方法最好
| I******e
发帖数: 6478 | 13 这只能说游戏理念不同吧
【在 m**m 的大作中提到】
: 纸上谈兵吧。如果为了防止反伤来选装备或者stat的下限，完全是舍本逐末。
: 反伤很容易搞定：跳过（只有工程兽跳不过），打打停停，多死几次。我还没看见这三
: 种方法搞不定的反伤怪。
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