ET
发帖数: 10701 | 1 Phil Mickelson wasn't happy with Tom Waston, criticized him at the
conference. I read news and comments. Sounds like quite of a few people don
't like Phil's action? what do you guys think?
To me, (I guess it's my personality), I have no problem with Phil's action.
US has lost 8 of last 10 meetings. Phil was pretty much mad at what happened
.
I guess you have to care it very much so you can't tolerate it any more.
What do you think? |
x****5
发帖数: 1564 | 2 老汤姆的排兵布阵的确有些问题
但欧洲队实力的确更强，而且这次状态很好
另外天气比较冷，菲尔都双手带手套了（和我一样了），也许美国队更不适应，毕竟美
国队一年四季都有暖和的地方可以打球，而欧洲每年都会有寒冷的时候，从小就历练过 |
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 3 who cares... they were destined to lose anyway.
don
.
happened
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: Phil Mickelson wasn't happy with Tom Waston, criticized him at the
: conference. I read news and comments. Sounds like quite of a few people don
: 't like Phil's action? what do you guys think?
: To me, (I guess it's my personality), I have no problem with Phil's action.
: US has lost 8 of last 10 meetings. Phil was pretty much mad at what happened
: .
: I guess you have to care it very much so you can't tolerate it any more.
: What do you think?
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 4 10比赛赢了8次，美国队总体世界排名可能还是高于欧洲选手。
今年天气可能是个因素，话说美国队是主场客场都输呀。
【在 x****5 的大作中提到】
: 老汤姆的排兵布阵的确有些问题
: 但欧洲队实力的确更强，而且这次状态很好
: 另外天气比较冷，菲尔都双手带手套了（和我一样了），也许美国队更不适应，毕竟美
: 国队一年四季都有暖和的地方可以打球，而欧洲每年都会有寒冷的时候，从小就历练过
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 5 I try to gain some perspective. In reality, it's no single my business
anyway.
but, just image you were a team member of a team, your team kept getting
beat, what would you have reactioned?
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: who cares... they were destined to lose anyway.
:
: don
: .
: happened
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v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 6 I would share my thoughts with the rest of the team, includng Tom himself.
But I wouldn't lash out at him in front of the media and the world. I can
understand the frustration, but I just can't see how doing that would help
anyone in anyway. You are all neighbors in those three or maybe four zip
codes in south Florida. When the world moves on from Ryder Cup 2014 to Hong
Kong protests or ISIS or the NFL or whatever good stuff that is newsworthy,
you will face each other in the golf community day in and day out. Your
wives will bump into each other at the local William Sonoma. So why not just
keep it nice and fluffy...
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: I try to gain some perspective. In reality, it's no single my business
: anyway.
: but, just image you were a team member of a team, your team kept getting
: beat, what would you have reactioned?
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 7 Competitive people don't like losing. I guess they hate more when you were
not
given a chance to fight.
It (Phil's action) will help. I bet the next captain will listen the players
opinion as much as he could. This is how US won last Ryder Cup.
like in this link:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2014/09/29/paul-azing
I believe most people will do what you have said. Then they will accept the
next loss. And every player will be criticized badly how much they don't
care the Ryder Cup.
How do you show you really care something when you keep losing it?
Hong
,
just
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: I would share my thoughts with the rest of the team, includng Tom himself.
: But I wouldn't lash out at him in front of the media and the world. I can
: understand the frustration, but I just can't see how doing that would help
: anyone in anyway. You are all neighbors in those three or maybe four zip
: codes in south Florida. When the world moves on from Ryder Cup 2014 to Hong
: Kong protests or ISIS or the NFL or whatever good stuff that is newsworthy,
: you will face each other in the golf community day in and day out. Your
: wives will bump into each other at the local William Sonoma. So why not just
: keep it nice and fluffy...
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C******s
发帖数: 1917 | 8 美国队最近这20年的表现实在是差强人意。让我想到了中国足球。
已经到了不破不立的地步了。
队员们还是非常非常想赢的。年轻队员的表现也非常出色。我觉得Paul Azinger是个非
常出色的队长。以后的队长应该借鉴他的经验。老米这次冒炮大概起到的客观效果就是
这个。虽然形式上不是很体面，可是美国队已经到了无法体面赢球的山穷水尽的地步了。
players
the
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: Competitive people don't like losing. I guess they hate more when you were
: not
: given a chance to fight.
: It (Phil's action) will help. I bet the next captain will listen the players
: opinion as much as he could. This is how US won last Ryder Cup.
: like in this link:
: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2014/09/29/paul-azing
: I believe most people will do what you have said. Then they will accept the
: next loss. And every player will be criticized badly how much they don't
: care the Ryder Cup.
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q******3
发帖数: 622 | 9 老虎退去。phil基本一号元老了。老tom糊涂，怎么可以轮空他一天呢。他面子上面如
何过得去。
白人毕竟比较直肠子。当然忍不住要放炮了。
Ryder cup是典型的team 比赛。给大家打气，互相信任是最重要的。就像我在隔壁说的。
既然选了人家，尤其是老将，还是得用。不能看新手打得好了，老将就板凳了。既然如
此，何必不把billy horschel拉进来呢。
其实关键是美国队实力不济。老tom要是潇洒点，微笑着把captain给phil。其实他也没
有办法保证美国队赢。 |
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 10 I'm with you on the argument that phil makes a good point and it may have
some impact on captain selection and field strategy next time. all I'm
saying is he did in a not so smart way.
players
the
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: Competitive people don't like losing. I guess they hate more when you were
: not
: given a chance to fight.
: It (Phil's action) will help. I bet the next captain will listen the players
: opinion as much as he could. This is how US won last Ryder Cup.
: like in this link:
: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2014/09/29/paul-azing
: I believe most people will do what you have said. Then they will accept the
: next loss. And every player will be criticized badly how much they don't
: care the Ryder Cup.
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C******s
发帖数: 1917 | 11 我觉得说美国实力不济也许严重了，这种比赛双方的实力其实相差很少，这些都是顶尖
高手，没有哪一个是实力弱的，但是这种队际对抗赛打的是士气，打得是团队的士气，
临场发挥决定一切。
美国队的问题，就是如何把以往的团体士气找回来。
队长在这个营造团体士气的过程中作用非常重要。老汤这次彻底失职了，老米指出的正
是这一点。
的。
【在 q******3 的大作中提到】
: 老虎退去。phil基本一号元老了。老tom糊涂，怎么可以轮空他一天呢。他面子上面如
: 何过得去。
: 白人毕竟比较直肠子。当然忍不住要放炮了。
: Ryder cup是典型的team 比赛。给大家打气，互相信任是最重要的。就像我在隔壁说的。
: 既然选了人家，尤其是老将，还是得用。不能看新手打得好了，老将就板凳了。既然如
: 此，何必不把billy horschel拉进来呢。
: 其实关键是美国队实力不济。老tom要是潇洒点，微笑着把captain给phil。其实他也没
: 有办法保证美国队赢。
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q******3
发帖数: 622 | 12 实力差距是事实吧。不能光用士气差掩饰。
总体排名上，美国队已经差不少。
另外从美国队海外比赛，可以看到赢的比在美国差多了。欧洲队队员明显厉害。
我也比较欣赏很多欧洲海外球员的技术。觉得他们的swing更好看流畅，像rory,
sergia, Ernie。美国球员很多就是大炮型，动作粗燥。
【在 C******s 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得说美国实力不济也许严重了，这种比赛双方的实力其实相差很少，这些都是顶尖
: 高手，没有哪一个是实力弱的，但是这种队际对抗赛打的是士气，打得是团队的士气，
: 临场发挥决定一切。
: 美国队的问题，就是如何把以往的团体士气找回来。
: 队长在这个营造团体士气的过程中作用非常重要。老汤这次彻底失职了，老米指出的正
: 是这一点。
:
: 的。
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C******s
发帖数: 1917 | 13 问题是上次在美国打的时候也输了，而且是很难堪的被欧洲队大翻盘。:(
下次打还是在美国，好像Fred Couples当队长的呼声比较高。
【在 q******3 的大作中提到】
: 实力差距是事实吧。不能光用士气差掩饰。
: 总体排名上，美国队已经差不少。
: 另外从美国队海外比赛，可以看到赢的比在美国差多了。欧洲队队员明显厉害。
: 我也比较欣赏很多欧洲海外球员的技术。觉得他们的swing更好看流畅，像rory,
: sergia, Ernie。美国球员很多就是大炮型，动作粗燥。
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