D******r
发帖数: 632 | 1 各位NJ大佬帮忙鉴别一下这个是不是真的，如果是真的的话那在PA枪展上买长枪可选择
的机会就多多了:
"A NJ resident cannot buy a handgun outside of NJ. Actually, no one can buy
a handgun outside their resident state.
A NJ resident can buy a long gun in PA only if they have a NJ firearms ID
card, otherwise no."
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091219160410AA7KC |
i******t
发帖数: 11048 | 2 买rifle私人交易都可以，PA那里什么都不问
buy
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: 各位NJ大佬帮忙鉴别一下这个是不是真的，如果是真的的话那在PA枪展上买长枪可选择
: 的机会就多多了:
: "A NJ resident cannot buy a handgun outside of NJ. Actually, no one can buy
: a handgun outside their resident state.
: A NJ resident can buy a long gun in PA only if they have a NJ firearms ID
: card, otherwise no."
: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091219160410AA7KC
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m********a
发帖数: 1312 | |
q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 4 问不问是一会事儿，合法不合法是另一回事儿。
联邦法规定私人枪支交易不能垮州，除非经过买方所在州FFL转手。
大家注意。
【在 i******t 的大作中提到】
: 买rifle私人交易都可以，PA那里什么都不问
:
: buy
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D******r
发帖数: 632 | 5 如果PA枪展上卖枪的是个有FFL的Dealer就可以了？
Link里面说手枪不能跨州交易，还有人说新手枪不能跨州，旧的可以；
长枪不受限制...
看来得找到法律亲自读一读才可信
【在 q**u 的大作中提到】
: 问不问是一会事儿，合法不合法是另一回事儿。
: 联邦法规定私人枪支交易不能垮州，除非经过买方所在州FFL转手。
: 大家注意。
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i******t
发帖数: 11048 | 6 这些都是灰色地带。长枪没有办法track的。你就说你叔叔给的，警察也拿你没有任何
办法
手枪没有办法，不能跨州买。
这种东西没有啥讨论的。
就看你怎么想的。
【在 q**u 的大作中提到】
: 问不问是一会事儿，合法不合法是另一回事儿。
: 联邦法规定私人枪支交易不能垮州，除非经过买方所在州FFL转手。
: 大家注意。
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D******r
发帖数: 632 | 7 这个是从“Gun law in the United States” Wiki里面摘录的，第二段是说18岁以上
的个人可以从任何州的FFL Dealer哪里买Rifle或者Shotgun，（到了21岁才能买手枪柄
的Rifle？）
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States
Acquiring from dealers
Provided that federal law and the laws of both the dealer's and purchaser's
states and localities are complied with:
An individual 21 years of age or older may acquire a handgun from a
dealer federally licensed to sell firearms in the individual's state of
residence.[7]
An individual 18 years of age or older may purchase a rifle or shotgun
from a federally licensed dealer in any state. However, the applicant may
not purchase a pistol gripped long gun that does not have a shoulder stock
until he or she is 21 years of age.
It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer,
or licensed dealer to sell, deliver, or transfer a firearm unless the
federal firearms licensee receives notice of approval from a prescribed
source approving the transfer.
Sale of a firearm by a federally licensed dealer must be documented by a
federal form 4473, which identifies and includes other information about
the purchaser, and records the make, model, and serial number of the firearm
. Sales to an individual of multiple handguns within a five-day period
require dealer notification to the ATF. Violations of dealer record keeping
requirements are punishable by a penalty of up to $1000 and one year's
imprisonment.
An individual holding a Curio and Relics License (officially a Type 03
Federal Firearms License (FFL); also called a C&R) may directly purchase
firearms that are 50 or more years old from anyone AND any firearm
officially recognized by the ATF as a Curio and Relic (C&R). |
D******r
发帖数: 632 | |
D******r
发帖数: 632 | 9 这个是从NJgunforms.com上找到的，Summery，很全：
You may purchase guns from outside the state of NJ providing those firearms
are NJ legal. The procedure for purchasing guns from other states is
outlined below (along with other purchasing scenarios)
The following is a table detailing the individual requirements to purchase
firearms in NJ.
1. Handgun purchases by
....A. NJ resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a P2P and Photo ID
........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested
........(3) Out-of-state dealer = must be transferred through NJ dealer -
Refer 1A(1)
........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through NJ dealer -
Refer 1A(1)
....B. Out-of-state resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = must be transferred through buyer's home state
dealer
........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through buyer's home state
dealer
2. Long gun purchases by
....A. NJ resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID
........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID
suggested
........(3) Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID
........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through
............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or
............b. Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo
ID
....B. Non-resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID
........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through
............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or
............b. Out-of-state dealer = consult buyer's home state laws
3. Blackpowder and pellet handgun purchases by
....A. NJ resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = only a P2P and Photo ID required
........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested
........(3) Out-of-state dealer = no requirement
........(4) Out-of-state resident = no requirement
....B. Out-of-state resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = must be shipped to an out-of-state address
........(2) NJ resident = transfer must take place out-of-state
4. Blackpowder and pellet long gun purchases by
....A. NJ resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = only a FPID, COE and Photo ID required
........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID
suggested
........(3) Out-of-state dealer = no requirement
........(4) Out-of-state resident = no requirement
....B. Non-resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = only a FPID, COE and Photo ID required
........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID
suggested or transfer must take place out-of-state
Quote
NJ = "New Jersey"
NICS = "National Instant Criminal Background Check System"
P2P = "Permit to Purchase a Handgun and Form of Register"
ID = "Identification"
FPID = "State of NJ Firearms Purchaser IDENTIFICATION CARD"
COE = "Certificate of Eligibility" |
D******r
发帖数: 632 | 10 BTW，下个月6号，7号又会有那个比较大规模的枪展：
Oct 6-7 Philadelphia (Center Oaks) Greater Philadelphia Expo Center |
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m********a
发帖数: 1312 | 11 根据这个2(3)，NJ resident从外州买NJ合法的长枪，只需要firearm purchase id和驾
照了？那个COE是啥，必须么？
firearms
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: 这个是从NJgunforms.com上找到的，Summery，很全：
: You may purchase guns from outside the state of NJ providing those firearms
: are NJ legal. The procedure for purchasing guns from other states is
: outlined below (along with other purchasing scenarios)
: The following is a table detailing the individual requirements to purchase
: firearms in NJ.
: 1. Handgun purchases by
: ....A. NJ resident from
: ........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a P2P and Photo ID
: ........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested
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D******r
发帖数: 632 | 12 COE = "Certificate of Eligibility" |
m********a
发帖数: 1312 | 13 看到全称，但还是不知到是否必须，哪里去搞。
手枪有购买证，长枪不用呀。
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: COE = "Certificate of Eligibility"
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D******r
发帖数: 632 | |
j*****i
发帖数: 90 | 15 just another form in addition to federal form.
check it out here
http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/sp-634.pdf |
j*****i
发帖数: 90 | 16 The point is that you have to go through the same checking as if you are
buying a long gun in NJ gun shop. period.
No short cut even if you buy a long gun in PA or other state.
and I am not hinting that you may find loop holes from private buyers on gun
shows. |
D******r
发帖数: 632 | 17 是啊，NJ那有限的几个枪店选择太少了，枪展上能遇到Dream Guns的机会比较多；
即使Follow Same Rules，枪展上买枪优势还是大大地
gun
【在 j*****i 的大作中提到】
: The point is that you have to go through the same checking as if you are
: buying a long gun in NJ gun shop. period.
: No short cut even if you buy a long gun in PA or other state.
: and I am not hinting that you may find loop holes from private buyers on gun
: shows.
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j*****i
发帖数: 90 | 18 Based on my personal experience, there is little benefit for new gun buyers
to buy guns on gun shows. Your experience may vary :-(
First of all, very few individual sellers. Most of them are like vendors
from flea market, low quality goods and higher price.
Imagine if I want to sell my expensive rifle, I'd go to a well-known gun
dealer. Why would I rent a table in gun show and sit there for a whole
weekends for potential buyers?
Most of us are there for entertaining. Just some new life experience. |
c*****y
发帖数: 5747 | 19 老大说的对，
跨州交易是二级犯罪！
注意是federal felony !
【在 q**u 的大作中提到】
: 问不问是一会事儿，合法不合法是另一回事儿。
: 联邦法规定私人枪支交易不能垮州，除非经过买方所在州FFL转手。
: 大家注意。
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c****x
发帖数: 1270 | 20 我在宾州Cablla买过长枪。和NJ要求的资料一样。唯一不同是电脑填资料，不用纸。通
过有资格的FFL应该都可以。 |
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D******r
发帖数: 632 | 21 多谢Cyberx兄的实例！下个月第一个周末又有枪展了，同去？
【在 c****x 的大作中提到】
: 我在宾州Cablla买过长枪。和NJ要求的资料一样。唯一不同是电脑填资料，不用纸。通
: 过有资格的FFL应该都可以。
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c****x
发帖数: 1270 | |
c****8
发帖数: 1211 | 23 www.eaglearmsgunshows.com
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.5
【在 c****x 的大作中提到】
: 在哪里枪展？给个链接。时间合适一定去。
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