k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 1 本来不想给大家添乱的，但想下月中旬回国前把枪管买好，预算$300块以内，下面这两
个随便：
－－Rainier Arms Select 系列 16“ 5.56mm Barrel Mid-Length 1/8 Twist
Black Hole Weaponry Blanks
Polygonal rifled barrels
5.56 NATO Chamber
416R Stainless Steel
32.4 oz
http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=2267
http://www.JoeBobOutfitters.com/Rainier_Arms_Select_16_5_56_Bar
或者
－－BCM 16" SS410 Barrel with Mid Length Gas 1/8 Twist
Criterion Barrels Blanks
5.56 NATO Match Chambers (USMC SAM-R Chamber)
410 Stainless Steel
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Recce-SS410-Barrel-with-M
如果各位找货高手，上网闲逛时，发现哪个网站／论坛交易区/gun broker有新的，或
者二手的，麻烦告诉我一声。多谢多谢！！
抢购整枪和receiver,咋连枪管都脱销了呢？喵了个咪的...... |
S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | |
S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 3 枪管这玩意买二手/私人交易的， 靠谱么？ 你怎么知道他打过200发还是2000发呢 |
k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 4
挪威司机的5.56 Match Mod 0 chamber好，但它家的barrel和upper,哪怕是算上
Military ID Discount或者Midway的coupon, 价格也不菲. 你也知道我这射术，弹药，
镜子和扳机，打不出Krieger/Pac Nor/Lothar Walther和Rainier/BCM/WOA的区别,也打
不出NATO/Wylde chamber的区别。Noveske 16” 这个 Medium Contour Weight: 35oz,
稍微有一点点沉。
二手交易，一般新的或者比较新的，跟打得多的，还是可以能看出来的。
前一阵子看到过这个：
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=115610&highlight=rain
当时没买，肠子悔青...
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: 枪管这玩意买二手/私人交易的， 靠谱么？ 你怎么知道他打过200发还是2000发呢
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 5 LOL!
不要悔， 过了这段风波，以后还会有地。
35oz,
【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】
:
: 挪威司机的5.56 Match Mod 0 chamber好，但它家的barrel和upper,哪怕是算上
: Military ID Discount或者Midway的coupon, 价格也不菲. 你也知道我这射术，弹药，
: 镜子和扳机，打不出Krieger/Pac Nor/Lothar Walther和Rainier/BCM/WOA的区别,也打
: 不出NATO/Wylde chamber的区别。Noveske 16” 这个 Medium Contour Weight: 35oz,
: 稍微有一点点沉。
: 二手交易，一般新的或者比较新的，跟打得多的，还是可以能看出来的。
: 前一阵子看到过这个：
: http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=115610&highlight=rain
: 当时没买，肠子悔青...
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 6
rainier这个16" select系列，也是保证sub MOA,
下图是别人打的，距离150码，77gr SMK's.
200块买个accurate barrel with a 5.56 chamber，medium contour 32.4oz,
不算亏。
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: LOL!
: 不要悔， 过了这段风波，以后还会有地。
:
: 35oz,
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x*7
发帖数: 11281 | 7 过了这阵子再买吧，现在是热闹的时候，看看热闹就好了
【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】
:
: rainier这个16" select系列，也是保证sub MOA,
: 下图是别人打的，距离150码，77gr SMK's.
: 200块买个accurate barrel with a 5.56 chamber，medium contour 32.4oz,
: 不算亏。
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 8
好吧，听小七兄的。
最近几个月也确实不打算买东西了，先打好手头的。
另外我准备去枪店当黄牛，卖号给红脖子们。哈哈
【在 x*7 的大作中提到】
: 过了这阵子再买吧，现在是热闹的时候，看看热闹就好了
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w*****o
发帖数: 1806 | 9 这管好在哪里啊？
【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】
: 本来不想给大家添乱的，但想下月中旬回国前把枪管买好，预算$300块以内，下面这两
: 个随便：
: －－Rainier Arms Select 系列 16“ 5.56mm Barrel Mid-Length 1/8 Twist
: Black Hole Weaponry Blanks
: Polygonal rifled barrels
: 5.56 NATO Chamber
: 416R Stainless Steel
: 32.4 oz
: http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=2267
: http://www.JoeBobOutfitters.com/Rainier_Arms_Select_16_5_56_Bar
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I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 10 http://shop.fostertacticalgear.com/Armalite-M15A4-SPR-barrel-AR
前两天$200多的时候没买，现在$26K...
后悔啊。。。
嘿嘿。。。
【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】
: 本来不想给大家添乱的，但想下月中旬回国前把枪管买好，预算$300块以内，下面这两
: 个随便：
: －－Rainier Arms Select 系列 16“ 5.56mm Barrel Mid-Length 1/8 Twist
: Black Hole Weaponry Blanks
: Polygonal rifled barrels
: 5.56 NATO Chamber
: 416R Stainless Steel
: 32.4 oz
: http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=2267
: http://www.JoeBobOutfitters.com/Rainier_Arms_Select_16_5_56_Bar
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k**********i
发帖数: 8706 | 11 疯了吧？
price error?
【在 I*3 的大作中提到】
: http://shop.fostertacticalgear.com/Armalite-M15A4-SPR-barrel-AR
: 前两天$200多的时候没买，现在$26K...
: 后悔啊。。。
: 嘿嘿。。。
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 12
哪个？
【在 w*****o 的大作中提到】
: 这管好在哪里啊？
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L***y
发帖数: 376 | 13 漲一百倍? @@...
【在 I*3 的大作中提到】
: http://shop.fostertacticalgear.com/Armalite-M15A4-SPR-barrel-AR
: 前两天$200多的时候没买，现在$26K...
: 后悔啊。。。
: 嘿嘿。。。
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | |
f********r
发帖数: 3155 | 15 配stainless barrel是想打打精度对吧？劝你弄个Wylde chamber，5.56NATO chamber
松的跟自然生产过的妇女一样，你会很不爽
【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】
: 本来不想给大家添乱的，但想下月中旬回国前把枪管买好，预算$300块以内，下面这两
: 个随便：
: －－Rainier Arms Select 系列 16“ 5.56mm Barrel Mid-Length 1/8 Twist
: Black Hole Weaponry Blanks
: Polygonal rifled barrels
: 5.56 NATO Chamber
: 416R Stainless Steel
: 32.4 oz
: http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=2267
: http://www.JoeBobOutfitters.com/Rainier_Arms_Select_16_5_56_Bar
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 16
chamber
多谢老大指教！有没有300块左右的wylde chamber 16"管子推荐？
另外再次确认一下，wylde也是可以偶尔打5.56的对吧？
精度潜力方面，一般平均下来，会比5.56 NATO Chamber的精度好多少？ 因为前几天我
打了一个朋友自己装的16" BCM SS410,PMC 5发都可以接近1moa，我觉得已经很好了。
我也在网上看到也是16寸SS410，100码20发也能打到1.3寸。
不过我确实想买wylde, 省得以后自己复装了，后悔，不纠结了，搞wylde!
【在 f********r 的大作中提到】
: 配stainless barrel是想打打精度对吧？劝你弄个Wylde chamber，5.56NATO chamber
: 松的跟自然生产过的妇女一样，你会很不爽
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 17 这个wylde chamber兼容性怎么样？ 只适合tack driving么？
生存型的AR有一支就够了。 |
k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 18
chamber
我决定弄Wylde了！
【在 f********r 的大作中提到】
: 配stainless barrel是想打打精度对吧？劝你弄个Wylde chamber，5.56NATO chamber
: 松的跟自然生产过的妇女一样，你会很不爽
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 19 决定上Wylde Chamber 16" SS,看了几个,大伙高见？
--Global-Tactical-Supply RECON II BARREL 16.1" MIDDY GAS 5.56MM
IN STOCK $289.00
http://global-tactical.com/16inchmidlengthreconbarrel556mminsto
1:7
DOUGLAS BLANKS
4 OZ HEAVIER THAN STANDARD M4 16 INCH.
28+4=32oz ?
--Lilja-Nordic AR Rifle Barrel, Stainless 16"
Out Of Stock $299.00
1:8
Weight: 29.6oz
Made by Lilja Precision Rifle Barrels per Nordic specs.
--多花65块买Rainier UltraMatch™ 16“ .223 Wylde Barrel
$365.00
1:8
Shilen Blank
34oz.
--White Oak Armament 16″ Stainless Steel Match Grade Barrel
$279
Wilson blank
34oz. |
S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | |
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 21
我想先弄一个先打着，16寸的不是太重我能接受，flute要钱啊。
profile太轻的，我怕不锈钢热得太快，一般35oz以下就行，太重的我怕万一和你们去
取个肉，背不动。
16寸比较轻和短，18寸相似profile的还是有点重，管长对精度影响不大，损失三十五
十的初速，也就认了。
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: 枪管要不要flute呢？
: 我看枪老板搞的那个dimple flute就不错
: https://www.adcofirearms.com/detailpics/underhgdimple.jpg
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 22 枪口准备装什么呢？
【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】
:
: 我想先弄一个先打着，16寸的不是太重我能接受，flute要钱啊。
: profile太轻的，我怕不锈钢热得太快，一般35oz以下就行，太重的我怕万一和你们去
: 取个肉，背不动。
: 16寸比较轻和短，18寸相似profile的还是有点重，管长对精度影响不大，损失三十五
: 十的初速，也就认了。
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 23
我有一个闲置AAC blackout non mount，还有一个Smith Vortex 新版G6A3
还没想好用哪一个
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: 枪口准备装什么呢？
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 24 我做了点小功课，口碑非常好的不锈钢枪管生产作坊（和colt/FN比起来）：
Krieger, Bartlein, Obermeyer, Rock Creek
Hart, Shilen,Schneider, Lilja, Douglas 等.
加工方式略有不同，Cut Rifling,Push Button Rifling,Pull Button Rifling等。
其实以我的射术，距离，打得起的子弹，我相信打不出上面的任何区别。
关于Chamber, Wylde, Noveske Match Mod 0 chamber, 5.56 NATO Match Chambers (
USMC SAM-R Chamber)等，都是精度和可靠性，在不同程度的妥协。听前辈的话，我这
次就玩Wylde了。 |
x*7
发帖数: 11281 | |
k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 26 无意间在别处看到一个人聊他服役时的MK12和现在的BCM SS410：
MK12用的Douglas Blank,12K之后仍旧很准。而他BCM的靶纸也很惊人，100码10发.5MOA
.7MOA,考虑到BCM针对combat的profile和sam-R chamber,我真怀疑他是放在50码打的
。开玩笑。
"
Response to the question: "Would you use a stainless steel barrel for duty /
combat?"
Sure would, and do. I'm somewhat of an "accuracy nut," and give minor
advantages in precision between platforms a lot more consideration than I
think most people do. A 0.5 MOA difference in accuracy can make or break my
relationship with a rifle.
Because of this, and also because of the fact that my requirements require
high degrees of precision, I have moved almost exclusively to SS barrels for
both work and personal rifles.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't worry too much about the durability of a
Stainless barrel for the vast majority of applications. Here's how I'll
qualify that statement:
I've personally put somewhere around 12K rounds of MK262 through an issued
MK12 Mod 1 (Stainless barrel by Douglas) both in training and overseas in
the last few years. All rounds were shot suppressed and some were F/A as it
was on an M16A1 lower. F/A fire is not really in the job description for a
MK12 but given the capability I chose to become intimately familiar with
operating the rifle in this way. The firing schedule over the course of
those 12k rounds was varied. Sometimes I would only need to shoot 10 or 15
rounds in one engagement over the course of a few hours...on really bad days
it would see 6 or 7 magazines in 10 minutes.
The barrel was new when I got it so I had a blank slate to work with, which
is always a good feeling with an issued gun. Anyway, I established an
accuracy baseline in the beginning and found it to be a solid 3/4 MOA gun
with MK262. Fast-forward 20 months and 12 thousand rounds (I'm anal about
logging round counts with my rifles). I have a ritual of going out to the
range every two weeks when possible to confirm zero and make sure accuracy
is where it needs to be. Even at the end of my time with that rifle it was
still producing the same boringly accurate results after 12k rounds.
Corrosion wise, I had no issues. The rifle saw austere conditions, summer
time humidity, rain, winter sleet and snow...but I always made sure it was
oiled and clean. If you take care of a stainless barrel it will take care of
you. Neglect it and it and you will have problems. Even relatively cut off
from the supply chain in the Afghan mountains, myself and everybody else in
the section with stainless barrels was able to keep them in A+ condition.
Non-issue unless you plan on not being around a decent CLP for months at a
time. That's not real life. While important for somebody's end of the world
fantasy, not being able to get CLP on and in the barrel is not a real world
consideration. |
S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 27 Krieger几乎不做AR枪管。 偶尔做一批， 卖完了就不做了。 不过krieger枪管在很多
平台上都是精度的代言词。 |
S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 28 进一步说明， CLP够用。
5MOA
/
my
【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】
: 无意间在别处看到一个人聊他服役时的MK12和现在的BCM SS410：
: MK12用的Douglas Blank,12K之后仍旧很准。而他BCM的靶纸也很惊人，100码10发.5MOA
: .7MOA,考虑到BCM针对combat的profile和sam-R chamber,我真怀疑他是放在50码打的
: 。开玩笑。
: "
: Response to the question: "Would you use a stainless steel barrel for duty /
: combat?"
: Sure would, and do. I'm somewhat of an "accuracy nut," and give minor
: advantages in precision between platforms a lot more consideration than I
: think most people do. A 0.5 MOA difference in accuracy can make or break my
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 29 很早之前看到的，nick和我朋友小猪，老陈，都买了这个BCM SS410，以后要多蹭。
枪老板的Noveske SPR,以后也要多蹭！
"For my money, in the 5.56 AR arena (tactical side, not match side) I've
been extremely satisfied with BCM SS410 barrels and will continue to go that
route in the future. I think they got the profile right as far as weight
goes. Not too heavy, but heavy enough so that POI doesn't walk even when the
barrel is heated up. They are also hand lapped, and do well with a wide
range of ammunition. 1/2 to 3/4 MOA performance with 77GR SMK's is the norm
(10 shot groups).
What I've noticed about my BCM SS410 barrel is that groups do in fact open
up when the barrel gets extremely hot but POI does not shift. The groups
just expand but stay centered. Even when the barrel gets to this point (
extremely hot), my groups won't open up past 1.5 MOA...better than many
chrome lined barrels when cool, and far better than most chrome lined
barrels when hot. In the last few months I've put 5K rounds through my SS410
and have noticed no degradation in accuracy. It still prints 1/2 to 3/4 MOA
10 shot groups, only opening up beyond that when really really pushed heat
wise."
所以我很怀疑$300区间的管子和$500的，对于我这个3-9x镜子，打PPU match 69/75gr
的钓丝，到底能有啥区别？ |
k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 30
这个是Chrome Lined chamber & Bore, Carbine Length M4 Standard Profile, 4140
,这个网站自己标的重量前后都不一致，一会2LB,一会2.5LB.
喜欢便宜还不如等这个，1;8 Mid Length, Wilson Blanks $195
http://shop.nordiccomp.com/Wilson-Nordic-AR-Rifle-Barrel-Stainl
【在 x*7 的大作中提到】
: 穷人我看到
: http://www.surplusammo.com/surplus-ammo-arms-standard-m4-profil
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x*7
发帖数: 11281 | 31 ...
4140
【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】
:
: 这个是Chrome Lined chamber & Bore, Carbine Length M4 Standard Profile, 4140
: ,这个网站自己标的重量前后都不一致，一会2LB,一会2.5LB.
: 喜欢便宜还不如等这个，1;8 Mid Length, Wilson Blanks $195
: http://shop.nordiccomp.com/Wilson-Nordic-AR-Rifle-Barrel-Stainl
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 32
不过Wilson-Nordic这个虽然是.223 Wylde Chamber, 但没有M4 cut, 海军咋说的来着
，１分钱１分货，４分钱２分货，１毛钱３分货．．．．
【在 x*7 的大作中提到】
: ...
:
: 4140
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 33
krieger的分厂做ar barrel，他们现在做得更少了。
你们喜欢精度的，弄个顶级的blank找cle按自己的要求订制，一根重管打靶，一根合适
的profile做recon/spr。
http://www.compasslake.com/barrels.htm
我反正就在两百多里面挑一个douglas blank, wylde chamber的了。
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: Krieger几乎不做AR枪管。 偶尔做一批， 卖完了就不做了。 不过krieger枪管在很多
: 平台上都是精度的代言词。
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 34 我维基了一下，MK12 SPR 18寸用的确实是douglas的blank.
Navy Seals Recon 的16寸不锈钢关用的是 Lilja blank, chambered by Compass
Lake. 喜欢看电影的弟兄们可以克隆一根。
According to Wes Grant of M.S.T.N. a premiere small arms builder, these
weapons were initially built in-house with the only specifications being the
ability to shoot any 5.56 x 45 mm cartridge in inventory (at the time this
included the first iterations of the 77-grain (5 g) Mk 262 Mod 0 cartridge),
and that the weapon have a barrel 16 inches (406 mm) in length.
The barrel blanks are made by Lilja Precision and then chambered by Compass
Lake.They have a 1:8 in (203 mm) twist and are stainless steel. They have a
unique heavy barrel profile, starting with 0.980 in (25 mm) in diameter for
the first 2.60 in (66 mm) of length, then narrowing down to 0.850 (22 mm) in
diameter, 0.750 in (19 mm) in diameter underneath the front sight block,
and 0.725 in (18 mm) in diameter to the muzzle. The barrels have the Ops Inc
12th model suppressors with the specified muzzle brake to mount the
suppressor. |
f********r
发帖数: 3155 | 35 你到底想干啥？打精度就进重点的不锈钢管子，不要装任何枪口装置。拿来突突，你手
上的两把轻管已经可以了，换个好点的rail就行
【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】
: 我维基了一下，MK12 SPR 18寸用的确实是douglas的blank.
: Navy Seals Recon 的16寸不锈钢关用的是 Lilja blank, chambered by Compass
: Lake. 喜欢看电影的弟兄们可以克隆一根。
: According to Wes Grant of M.S.T.N. a premiere small arms builder, these
: weapons were initially built in-house with the only specifications being the
: ability to shoot any 5.56 x 45 mm cartridge in inventory (at the time this
: included the first iterations of the 77-grain (5 g) Mk 262 Mod 0 cartridge),
: and that the weapon have a barrel 16 inches (406 mm) in length.
: The barrel blanks are made by Lilja Precision and then chambered by Compass
: Lake.They have a 1:8 in (203 mm) twist and are stainless steel. They have a
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f********r
发帖数: 3155 | 36 PPU match在镀铬的M4管子上是个1.5-2MOA的子弹，你要有心理准备呀
that
the
norm
【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】
: 很早之前看到的，nick和我朋友小猪，老陈，都买了这个BCM SS410，以后要多蹭。
: 枪老板的Noveske SPR,以后也要多蹭！
: "For my money, in the 5.56 AR arena (tactical side, not match side) I've
: been extremely satisfied with BCM SS410 barrels and will continue to go that
: route in the future. I think they got the profile right as far as weight
: goes. Not too heavy, but heavy enough so that POI doesn't walk even when the
: barrel is heated up. They are also hand lapped, and do well with a wide
: range of ammunition. 1/2 to 3/4 MOA performance with 77GR SMK's is the norm
: (10 shot groups).
: What I've noticed about my BCM SS410 barrel is that groups do in fact open
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 37
果然，跟我上次打的成绩差不多。等我弄好了，还要静下心来认真打打。
能不能给推荐个AR打１００码靶纸，可以打印出来的那种。
【在 f********r 的大作中提到】
: PPU match在镀铬的M4管子上是个1.5-2MOA的子弹，你要有心理准备呀
:
: that
: the
: norm
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f********r
发帖数: 3155 | 38 你XS7哥有个很好的网，上面可以打印靶纸。我存了PDF，没存网址
能够经常性的十发进一个MOA是相当NB的射手，AR15上molon算是一个，有PP有真相的那
种。我打了几千发，也没练出来这个心态
【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】
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: 果然，跟我上次打的成绩差不多。等我弄好了，还要静下心来认真打打。
: 能不能给推荐个AR打１００码靶纸，可以打印出来的那种。
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