H******S
发帖数: 6011 | 1 http://gunsnfreedom.com/man-freaks-out-when-he-sees-a-man-with-
With all the anti-gun media hype, it looks like one man in Connecticut has
bought into the gun-phobia that if you see a person with a gun he must be
evil.
According to the Hartford Courant, a man in a Glastonbury TD bank became
alarmed when he saw a man carrying a gun. The gun owner was carrying
legally and was NOT acting in a threatening or suspicious way according to
police. But he had a gun. So he must be up to no good, right?
Robert Gursky, 50, was at the bank to make a business transaction when he
saw the gun owner and began to freak out. He tried to tell the bank teller
what he saw.
The bank staff became alarmed over the incident and began to go through
their robbery protocol and called police. When police figured out that the
guy with the gun was carrying it legally they tracked down Gursky and
charged him with breach of peace, since they couldn’t charge him with
stupidity or ignorance of what it means to be a responsible gun owner.
Gursky is due to show up in court on September 25th. He had no comments for
the news media yesterday, but you almost feel bad for the guy. I mean he
is just doing what the anti-gun news media wants every one to do: freak out
when you see anyone with a gun. Good for the cops that they went after the
guy trying to report a law abiding gun owner instead of the gun owner in
this case. |
c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 2 Typical NRA propaganda. The guy didn't freak out. A lot of folks would be
alarmed if they see firearms openly carried by a customer. He tried to do
the right thing. I highly doubt police would charge a good Samaritan with "
breach of peace." Even gun nuts would have to agree this doesn't make sense
. There has to be more to this story that has been intentionally concealed.
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r*******1
发帖数: 4394 | 3 不同的人有不同的观点，不是很正常吗？说你自己的想法就好了，不要想当然认为别人
会怎么想。
矫情
"
sense
concealed.
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Typical NRA propaganda. The guy didn't freak out. A lot of folks would be
: alarmed if they see firearms openly carried by a customer. He tried to do
: the right thing. I highly doubt police would charge a good Samaritan with "
: breach of peace." Even gun nuts would have to agree this doesn't make sense
: . There has to be more to this story that has been intentionally concealed.
:
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j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 4 Do you even know some state it's legal to open carry?
Because you don't like it doesn't mean it's illegal.
"
sense
concealed.
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Typical NRA propaganda. The guy didn't freak out. A lot of folks would be
: alarmed if they see firearms openly carried by a customer. He tried to do
: the right thing. I highly doubt police would charge a good Samaritan with "
: breach of peace." Even gun nuts would have to agree this doesn't make sense
: . There has to be more to this story that has been intentionally concealed.
:
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 5 I think I know more about gun laws than you do.
Now please tell me where I said it was illegal to open carry.
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: Do you even know some state it's legal to open carry?
: Because you don't like it doesn't mean it's illegal.
:
: "
: sense
: concealed.
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 6 I said "most gun nuts would..." not "all." I said that because I know there
are lunatics out there who think open carry in a bank is acceptable.
【在 r*******1 的大作中提到】
: 不同的人有不同的观点，不是很正常吗？说你自己的想法就好了，不要想当然认为别人
: 会怎么想。
: 矫情
:
: "
: sense
: concealed.
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j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 7 You tell me how do you know the guy didn't freak out first. |
j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 8 You think it's not "acceptable", so the guy open carries a gun must be a
lunatic. Who are you, a judge?
there
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: I said "most gun nuts would..." not "all." I said that because I know there
: are lunatics out there who think open carry in a bank is acceptable.
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 9 I'm not a judge. But I have common sense. You seem to have none.
Go stand on the street. Ask the next 20 people who walk by, whether they
think it's normal to open carry a gun into a bank. If 1 person agrees it's
normal, then I'll concede I was wrong.
Or if you think it's such a good idea, why don't you do it yourself? Open
carry in a bank, and post it on youtube for me to see. But we all know you
won't.
But seriously, I can't believe I'm actually trying to tell someone it's
taboo to open carry in a bank. Some gun owners are so willing to give up
their common sense to accept the NRA's warped world view, it's really worse
than the libtards.
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: You think it's not "acceptable", so the guy open carries a gun must be a
: lunatic. Who are you, a judge?
:
: there
|
j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 10 So common sense is the law. I got it.
A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the
people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
-Thomas Jefferson
worse
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: I'm not a judge. But I have common sense. You seem to have none.
: Go stand on the street. Ask the next 20 people who walk by, whether they
: think it's normal to open carry a gun into a bank. If 1 person agrees it's
: normal, then I'll concede I was wrong.
: Or if you think it's such a good idea, why don't you do it yourself? Open
: carry in a bank, and post it on youtube for me to see. But we all know you
: won't.
: But seriously, I can't believe I'm actually trying to tell someone it's
: taboo to open carry in a bank. Some gun owners are so willing to give up
: their common sense to accept the NRA's warped world view, it's really worse
|
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j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 11 and not everyone freaks out like you would |
h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 12 平民的“常识”都是与时俱进的，可以被政府和媒体集团玩弄于股掌中的
尤其现在，荔波肉媒体占了6大媒体集团的5席，还在不断妖魔化唯一一个“不同政见者”
什么叫常识，每个人都应该知法懂法，这才是真正常识。可惜包括你在内的大部分平民
，对自己没有这么高的要求，却希望把知法懂法的守法拥枪者，都限制在自己的低水平
上。
如果不是有你所说的极端恐枪的“common sense”作怪，两个月前那个带枪出来查看警
报器，反而被邻居报警，在自家车库里被警察击毙的老头，也就不会死了。
你也是个老枪友，但是你浓郁的道德优越感和惯于使用舆论暴力的习惯，实在是让人作
呕。我猜你多半是NPR的忠实听众吧。说话的套路实在太像了。
they
it's
Open
you
it's
up
worse
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: I'm not a judge. But I have common sense. You seem to have none.
: Go stand on the street. Ask the next 20 people who walk by, whether they
: think it's normal to open carry a gun into a bank. If 1 person agrees it's
: normal, then I'll concede I was wrong.
: Or if you think it's such a good idea, why don't you do it yourself? Open
: carry in a bank, and post it on youtube for me to see. But we all know you
: won't.
: But seriously, I can't believe I'm actually trying to tell someone it's
: taboo to open carry in a bank. Some gun owners are so willing to give up
: their common sense to accept the NRA's warped world view, it's really worse
|
j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 13 And stop putting your words in my mouth. I said in some state, open carry is
legal. I didn't say in my state it's legal.
worse
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: I'm not a judge. But I have common sense. You seem to have none.
: Go stand on the street. Ask the next 20 people who walk by, whether they
: think it's normal to open carry a gun into a bank. If 1 person agrees it's
: normal, then I'll concede I was wrong.
: Or if you think it's such a good idea, why don't you do it yourself? Open
: carry in a bank, and post it on youtube for me to see. But we all know you
: won't.
: But seriously, I can't believe I'm actually trying to tell someone it's
: taboo to open carry in a bank. Some gun owners are so willing to give up
: their common sense to accept the NRA's warped world view, it's really worse
|
c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 14 The more you talk, the more it shows how convoluted your thoughts are.
A lot of things are legal but goes against common sense. Just because those
things are legal doesn't mean it's a good idea to do them.
Again, I don't have the time to re-educate you on what's common sense. If
you think open carry in a bank is a good idea, the best proof would be to do
it yourself.
All I tried to say is, we can't blame the guy for being alarmed when he saw
an open carry gun in a bank. And he wasn't even the one that called 911. All
he did was tell the clerk. There is no way any police department in this
country would arrest someone for doing just that. There has to be more to
the story. Use your own head instead of taking what NRA gives you as the
truth.
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: So common sense is the law. I got it.
: A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the
: people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
: -Thomas Jefferson
:
: worse
|
S*******T
发帖数: 5156 | 15 三四十年前的常识是DC的高中生背着小口径步枪坐公共汽车去学校的射击俱乐部。
者”
【在 h*********n 的大作中提到】
: 平民的“常识”都是与时俱进的，可以被政府和媒体集团玩弄于股掌中的
: 尤其现在，荔波肉媒体占了6大媒体集团的5席，还在不断妖魔化唯一一个“不同政见者”
: 什么叫常识，每个人都应该知法懂法，这才是真正常识。可惜包括你在内的大部分平民
: ，对自己没有这么高的要求，却希望把知法懂法的守法拥枪者，都限制在自己的低水平
: 上。
: 如果不是有你所说的极端恐枪的“common sense”作怪，两个月前那个带枪出来查看警
: 报器，反而被邻居报警，在自家车库里被警察击毙的老头，也就不会死了。
: 你也是个老枪友，但是你浓郁的道德优越感和惯于使用舆论暴力的习惯，实在是让人作
: 呕。我猜你多半是NPR的忠实听众吧。说话的套路实在太像了。
:
|
h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 16 为什么这么仇恨NRA？别人都没提它，你就一个大帽子扣过来了，而且还是诛心式的，
你自己生产的虚拟帽子，由你自己贴上NRA的靶纸猛轰。
就像我这种极度鄙视NBC和NPR品格的人，也承认这两个台偶尔有些好节目。
比如Tina Fey和她的30Rock 是我最喜欢的喜剧。虽然她们一贯敌视枪友，全方位
拥抱民主党的政策，这不妨碍我欣赏他们的小聪明和幽默。
你呢？你能平心静气的听完Ron Paul关于Newtown的演讲，而不产生攻击枪友的念
头么？
当然，对于意识形态已经被左棍洗脑的人来说，说话之前先扣帽子划成分，都是再自然
不过，已经融入他们血液的习惯罢了。左派是永远需要一个敌人的，而且是一个一贯邪
恶，不可救药的敌人。至于这个敌人到底做了什么，有什么言论，他们并不关心，因为
他们只是借用一个名字，把它当作推进自己路线的药引子罢了。
这已经不是立场问题。左棍的思维就和绿教一样，早已超出意识形态的范畴，同时还要
指导受害者的整个人生观和日常生活准则。换句话说，不是看法不同，而是人性已经不
一样了。
they
it's
Open
you
it's
up
worse
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: I'm not a judge. But I have common sense. You seem to have none.
: Go stand on the street. Ask the next 20 people who walk by, whether they
: think it's normal to open carry a gun into a bank. If 1 person agrees it's
: normal, then I'll concede I was wrong.
: Or if you think it's such a good idea, why don't you do it yourself? Open
: carry in a bank, and post it on youtube for me to see. But we all know you
: won't.
: But seriously, I can't believe I'm actually trying to tell someone it's
: taboo to open carry in a bank. Some gun owners are so willing to give up
: their common sense to accept the NRA's warped world view, it's really worse
|
h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 17 “ Use your own head instead of taking what NRA gives you as the truth.”
我衷心希望你在面对NPR，NBC，ABC，CNN洗脑的时候，能够采用同样的标准。很不幸的
是，你面对和你意识形态相投的媒体，似乎是毫无筛选，照单全收。
之前你列举的诸多“拥枪弊大于利”的材料，都被版友用数据直接打过脸了，我没有见
你出来为你的言语暴力道歉，只看见你不断的毒化本版气氛。
those
If
to do
he saw
911. All
this
to
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: The more you talk, the more it shows how convoluted your thoughts are.
: A lot of things are legal but goes against common sense. Just because those
: things are legal doesn't mean it's a good idea to do them.
: Again, I don't have the time to re-educate you on what's common sense. If
: you think open carry in a bank is a good idea, the best proof would be to do
: it yourself.
: All I tried to say is, we can't blame the guy for being alarmed when he saw
: an open carry gun in a bank. And he wasn't even the one that called 911. All
: he did was tell the clerk. There is no way any police department in this
: country would arrest someone for doing just that. There has to be more to
|
j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 18 In this case, the guy doesn't know the local law should be punished, not the
law biding citizen.
A guy can't tell a judge that he is innocent because he doesn't know the law
.
Your "common" sense is not as common as you thought.
In my state, open carry is illegal, I said many times already.
those
do
saw
All
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: The more you talk, the more it shows how convoluted your thoughts are.
: A lot of things are legal but goes against common sense. Just because those
: things are legal doesn't mean it's a good idea to do them.
: Again, I don't have the time to re-educate you on what's common sense. If
: you think open carry in a bank is a good idea, the best proof would be to do
: it yourself.
: All I tried to say is, we can't blame the guy for being alarmed when he saw
: an open carry gun in a bank. And he wasn't even the one that called 911. All
: he did was tell the clerk. There is no way any police department in this
: country would arrest someone for doing just that. There has to be more to
|
c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 19 Thanks for sharing your views on life in general. I won't debate gun control
(I've been told only pro-gun speech is allowed here), and will now ask you
to stay on topic.
My point: 1, There is nothing wrong with a guy seeing an open carry gun in a
bank, and telling the clerk about it. 2, There is no way police would
arrest someone for telling a clerk that a gun is in the bank. 3, Some pro-
gun tried to make the story look like an anti-gun liberal got what he
deserved for not knowing open carry is legal. 4, But the story doesn't add
up.
Tell me which point exactly you disagree with.
【在 h*********n 的大作中提到】
: 为什么这么仇恨NRA？别人都没提它，你就一个大帽子扣过来了，而且还是诛心式的，
: 你自己生产的虚拟帽子，由你自己贴上NRA的靶纸猛轰。
: 就像我这种极度鄙视NBC和NPR品格的人，也承认这两个台偶尔有些好节目。
: 比如Tina Fey和她的30Rock 是我最喜欢的喜剧。虽然她们一贯敌视枪友，全方位
: 拥抱民主党的政策，这不妨碍我欣赏他们的小聪明和幽默。
: 你呢？你能平心静气的听完Ron Paul关于Newtown的演讲，而不产生攻击枪友的念
: 头么？
: 当然，对于意识形态已经被左棍洗脑的人来说，说话之前先扣帽子划成分，都是再自然
: 不过，已经融入他们血液的习惯罢了。左派是永远需要一个敌人的，而且是一个一贯邪
: 恶，不可救药的敌人。至于这个敌人到底做了什么，有什么言论，他们并不关心，因为
|
c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 20 Don't try to debate the law or what a judge should do with me. You will
lose every time. :)
the
law
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: In this case, the guy doesn't know the local law should be punished, not the
: law biding citizen.
: A guy can't tell a judge that he is innocent because he doesn't know the law
: .
: Your "common" sense is not as common as you thought.
: In my state, open carry is illegal, I said many times already.
:
: those
: do
: saw
|
|
|
j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 21
【在 h*********n 的大作中提到】
: 为什么这么仇恨NRA？别人都没提它，你就一个大帽子扣过来了，而且还是诛心式的，
: 你自己生产的虚拟帽子，由你自己贴上NRA的靶纸猛轰。
: 就像我这种极度鄙视NBC和NPR品格的人，也承认这两个台偶尔有些好节目。
: 比如Tina Fey和她的30Rock 是我最喜欢的喜剧。虽然她们一贯敌视枪友，全方位
: 拥抱民主党的政策，这不妨碍我欣赏他们的小聪明和幽默。
: 你呢？你能平心静气的听完Ron Paul关于Newtown的演讲，而不产生攻击枪友的念
: 头么？
: 当然，对于意识形态已经被左棍洗脑的人来说，说话之前先扣帽子划成分，都是再自然
: 不过，已经融入他们血液的习惯罢了。左派是永远需要一个敌人的，而且是一个一贯邪
: 恶，不可救药的敌人。至于这个敌人到底做了什么，有什么言论，他们并不关心，因为
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j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 22 fine with me, like i've never seen a high IQ liberal lose a debate before.
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Don't try to debate the law or what a judge should do with me. You will
: lose every time. :)
:
: the
: law
|
h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 23 很简单。如果不知道本地的open carry法律就一味报警，而警察对这种行为也不加教育
，那么这个报警人犯了错，警察也犯了错。
I don't give a shit what you think or fear or hold as "common sense".
这里有很多人见不惯同性恋和异装癖，但是他们不会因为某个事物在视觉上扎眼就报警。
If you don't like the open carry law in your state, try vote it out, instead
of whining about people trying to be law abiding citizens.
control
you
a
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for sharing your views on life in general. I won't debate gun control
: (I've been told only pro-gun speech is allowed here), and will now ask you
: to stay on topic.
: My point: 1, There is nothing wrong with a guy seeing an open carry gun in a
: bank, and telling the clerk about it. 2, There is no way police would
: arrest someone for telling a clerk that a gun is in the bank. 3, Some pro-
: gun tried to make the story look like an anti-gun liberal got what he
: deserved for not knowing open carry is legal. 4, But the story doesn't add
: up.
: Tell me which point exactly you disagree with.
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p******o
发帖数: 1119 | 24 这个难道不是银行的责任吗？
teller
【在 H******S 的大作中提到】
: http://gunsnfreedom.com/man-freaks-out-when-he-sees-a-man-with-
: With all the anti-gun media hype, it looks like one man in Connecticut has
: bought into the gun-phobia that if you see a person with a gun he must be
: evil.
: According to the Hartford Courant, a man in a Glastonbury TD bank became
: alarmed when he saw a man carrying a gun. The gun owner was carrying
: legally and was NOT acting in a threatening or suspicious way according to
: police. But he had a gun. So he must be up to no good, right?
: Robert Gursky, 50, was at the bank to make a business transaction when he
: saw the gun owner and began to freak out. He tried to tell the bank teller
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d********e
发帖数: 2221 | 25 老兄，做律师的这么说话实在影响别人对我们这个行业的印象。
我知道你从去年十二月之后对拥枪的看法有很大转变。你支持控枪别来这里就好了，何
必让大家都不痛快。
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Don't try to debate the law or what a judge should do with me. You will
: lose every time. :)
:
: the
: law
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 26 去年12月发生了什么么?
【在 d********e 的大作中提到】
: 老兄，做律师的这么说话实在影响别人对我们这个行业的印象。
: 我知道你从去年十二月之后对拥枪的看法有很大转变。你支持控枪别来这里就好了，何
: 必让大家都不痛快。
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n****e
发帖数: 6292 | 27 sandy hook
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 去年12月发生了什么么?
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 28 恐怕这个不是那一位转变的诱因
【在 n****e 的大作中提到】
: sandy hook
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 29 jerseyv thinks the guy should be punished for not knowing open carry laws.
I don't even know how to begin to respond to that.... maybe you can.
I'm not here to debate gun control. I just pointed out the story doesn't
make sense. Boy did that stir up the pot.
【在 d********e 的大作中提到】
: 老兄，做律师的这么说话实在影响别人对我们这个行业的印象。
: 我知道你从去年十二月之后对拥枪的看法有很大转变。你支持控枪别来这里就好了，何
: 必让大家都不痛快。
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 30
Read the story. The guy didn't even call the cops. He simply told the clerk
he saw a gun. Did you read the story?
【在 h*********n 的大作中提到】
: 很简单。如果不知道本地的open carry法律就一味报警，而警察对这种行为也不加教育
: ，那么这个报警人犯了错，警察也犯了错。
: I don't give a shit what you think or fear or hold as "common sense".
: 这里有很多人见不惯同性恋和异装癖，但是他们不会因为某个事物在视觉上扎眼就报警。
: If you don't like the open carry law in your state, try vote it out, instead
: of whining about people trying to be law abiding citizens.
:
: control
: you
: a
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 31 It was the tipping point.
Even when I supported gun ownership, most of the pro-gun arguments NRA tried
to sell me didn't make sense. After Sandy Hook, I realized I could no
longer selfishly defend a hobby at the expense of many innocent lives.
Not trying to start a debate - just chronicling a personal shift.
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 恐怕这个不是那一位转变的诱因
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 32 Did a quick search on google. Real story is that Gursky handed the bank
teller a note saying "Gun." The teller thought he was robbing the bank, and
called police.
Very dumb on Gursky's part. And an important piece of fact conveniently left
out by a pro-gun news source so to make it seem that he was arrested for
not knowing open carry laws. And for those who insist open carrying in a
bank is a good idea. I strongly advise you to lead by example. |
s****i
发帖数: 5469 | 33 照你这么说汽车、游泳池等东西也得放弃了，每年死于它们的innocent live也不少
。可别给我说什么枪是杀人的工具没有汽车有用，没有这杀人工具的震慑，在美国这么
一个监狱和死刑都被“人权”弄得不成样子的地方意味着什么，你不会想不明白。我对
歹徒没有任何同情心，不会像某些人一样看到歹徒倒地“心情复杂”，主流媒体几乎不
会报道平民用枪杀歹徒救了人的例子，但你不能无视它们的存在。你能不能打得过歹徒
，还有没有别的更有效的办法震慑坏人保护家人，警察会不会冒险冲进屋子救人，这些
道理也不需要NRA来教你，NRA就算说得再错也不影响这些问题的答案。
tried
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: It was the tipping point.
: Even when I supported gun ownership, most of the pro-gun arguments NRA tried
: to sell me didn't make sense. After Sandy Hook, I realized I could no
: longer selfishly defend a hobby at the expense of many innocent lives.
: Not trying to start a debate - just chronicling a personal shift.
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 34 "After Sandy Hook, I realized I could no
Not a hobby, it is a right to protect yourself and your family.
If you are really so righteous, try to talk all those politicians to ban
TOBACCO! TOBACCO kills more people each year than the sum of gun+HIV+car
accidents+....
PLEASE stop being so hypocritical. Just as disgusting as the stupid Piers
Morgan.
tried |
r*********e
发帖数: 7733 | 35 行了，就你这逻辑和chinglish，真替你捉急。
你把枪，菜刀，还有高压锅都交到地方警局吧。它们都是潜在的致命武器。做一个好市
民，从自己开始，别嘴长的只会说别人。
tried
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: It was the tipping point.
: Even when I supported gun ownership, most of the pro-gun arguments NRA tried
: to sell me didn't make sense. After Sandy Hook, I realized I could no
: longer selfishly defend a hobby at the expense of many innocent lives.
: Not trying to start a debate - just chronicling a personal shift.
|
j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 36 2A is not for someone's hobby. And again, don't put your words in my mouth.
tried
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: It was the tipping point.
: Even when I supported gun ownership, most of the pro-gun arguments NRA tried
: to sell me didn't make sense. After Sandy Hook, I realized I could no
: longer selfishly defend a hobby at the expense of many innocent lives.
: Not trying to start a debate - just chronicling a personal shift.
|
j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 37 ah, now you want to punish a law biding citizen because of some other people
's stupidity? would you write a note with one word "gun" to a bank teller?
yes or no
and
left
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Did a quick search on google. Real story is that Gursky handed the bank
: teller a note saying "Gun." The teller thought he was robbing the bank, and
: called police.
: Very dumb on Gursky's part. And an important piece of fact conveniently left
: out by a pro-gun news source so to make it seem that he was arrested for
: not knowing open carry laws. And for those who insist open carrying in a
: bank is a good idea. I strongly advise you to lead by example.
|
g******d
发帖数: 531 | 38 TMD一个酒后行凶惹事本来该吃牢饭的也有脸来说教 |
j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 39 TOBACCO? Aren't they the same liberals who legalized marijuana?
美国最好还是分了吧，一半liberal，一半libertarian，五十年后见分晓。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: "After Sandy Hook, I realized I could no
: Not a hobby, it is a right to protect yourself and your family.
: If you are really so righteous, try to talk all those politicians to ban
: TOBACCO! TOBACCO kills more people each year than the sum of gun+HIV+car
: accidents+....
: PLEASE stop being so hypocritical. Just as disgusting as the stupid Piers
: Morgan.
: tried
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 40 Very funny responses. No one can stay on the topic of the story. But why
do that, since you've been proven wrong, and you can attack other things
such as liberals, chinglish, marijuana, Piers Morgan, etc? Hahaha, this is
really good stuff. Too bad you are so embroiled in the outrage that no one
can see how funny the lunacy is.
Anyway, at this point I'll stop responding to any comment that doesn't
relate to the original story. Of course, ad hominem will be ignored. You
all have a lot of preconceived notions of what an anti-gun person is:
liberal, drug-addict, NPR listener, ignorant of the law, doesn't understand
firearms, etc. Too bad none of these things describes me. But go ahead and
put me into any category you like as long as that's the only counter-
argument you can think of. I need the laugh. :) |
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 41 As long as it was legal, I don't think the guy who was open carrying should
be punished - I never said he should be.
Should Gursky be punished? I don't know. I think there are good arguments on
both sides. He was trying to do a good deed, but did it in a manner that
can be misconstrued and terrifying.
The simple point is that the pro-gun news source tries to mislead people
into thinking Gursky was arrested for being ignorant of open-carry laws.
But in fact he was arrested for the reason stated above.
It seems that you've been proven wrong but you are still trying to fight on.
But before you do, you need to tell me what exactly I said about this story
that you disagree with. Thanks.
people
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: ah, now you want to punish a law biding citizen because of some other people
: 's stupidity? would you write a note with one word "gun" to a bank teller?
: yes or no
:
: and
: left
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 42 "A lot of folks would be alarmed if they see firearms openly carried by a
customer."
Only if you live in certain gun-fearing states. If I was in some states that
allows open carry, I would only call the police if a man walks into a bank
with a gun IN HIS HAND, not on his hip.
"Even gun nuts would have to agree this doesn't make sense"
Please tell me which gun nut agrees with you again?
One of the reasons why unloaded open carry was banned in California last
year is because the emergency services got tired of receiving false alarms
from those panicky people - people who don't know that openly carrying an
unloaded firearm in California is legal. This isn't the first time it
happened.
"
sense
concealed.
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Typical NRA propaganda. The guy didn't freak out. A lot of folks would be
: alarmed if they see firearms openly carried by a customer. He tried to do
: the right thing. I highly doubt police would charge a good Samaritan with "
: breach of peace." Even gun nuts would have to agree this doesn't make sense
: . There has to be more to this story that has been intentionally concealed.
:
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 43 I said this story doesn't make sense.
You disagree. You believe the story makes sense.
You believe it make sense that police would arrest someone for alerting a
bank teller that he saw a gun in the the bank?
PS you came in late, so let me bring you up to speed - we have already
discovered that Gursky was arrested for a different reason than the original
story would have us believe.
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: "A lot of folks would be alarmed if they see firearms openly carried by a
: customer."
: Only if you live in certain gun-fearing states. If I was in some states that
: allows open carry, I would only call the police if a man walks into a bank
: with a gun IN HIS HAND, not on his hip.
: "Even gun nuts would have to agree this doesn't make sense"
: Please tell me which gun nut agrees with you again?
: One of the reasons why unloaded open carry was banned in California last
: year is because the emergency services got tired of receiving false alarms
: from those panicky people - people who don't know that openly carrying an
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 44 It doesn't matter.
It all began with some dude's reaction after seeing a gun. Maybe he doesn't
know the law, maybe he's missing a few chromosomes, who gives a shit, him
and the cops can sort that out on their own time.
But I believe initially you were bashing the act of open-carry in a bank or
open-carry in public places in general.
"You disagree. You believe the story makes sense. "
Please stop putting words in people's mouth, we're getting too much of that
from you already, it's even more annoying than having you here.
original
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: I said this story doesn't make sense.
: You disagree. You believe the story makes sense.
: You believe it make sense that police would arrest someone for alerting a
: bank teller that he saw a gun in the the bank?
: PS you came in late, so let me bring you up to speed - we have already
: discovered that Gursky was arrested for a different reason than the original
: story would have us believe.
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 45 Very nice. Backtrack when proven wrong.
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: It doesn't matter.
: It all began with some dude's reaction after seeing a gun. Maybe he doesn't
: know the law, maybe he's missing a few chromosomes, who gives a shit, him
: and the cops can sort that out on their own time.
: But I believe initially you were bashing the act of open-carry in a bank or
: open-carry in public places in general.
: "You disagree. You believe the story makes sense. "
: Please stop putting words in people's mouth, we're getting too much of that
: from you already, it's even more annoying than having you here.
:
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 46 Hahaha. Do you agree or disagree that the original story doesn't sense? Or
neither because you're so entrenched in any position against mine, that you
will protest even when I state "you disagree with me."
Yes people who are of different opinions are annoying. North Korea is a
harmonious society. You should check it out.
that
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: It doesn't matter.
: It all began with some dude's reaction after seeing a gun. Maybe he doesn't
: know the law, maybe he's missing a few chromosomes, who gives a shit, him
: and the cops can sort that out on their own time.
: But I believe initially you were bashing the act of open-carry in a bank or
: open-carry in public places in general.
: "You disagree. You believe the story makes sense. "
: Please stop putting words in people's mouth, we're getting too much of that
: from you already, it's even more annoying than having you here.
:
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 47 Very nice, being the judge of your own debate again.
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Very nice. Backtrack when proven wrong.
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 48 I'm not even commenting on the story, like I said it doesn't matter why or
how it happened, nor do I care.
I'm here to educate you on the issue of open-carry in states where it's
legal. Still haven't seen that gun nut who agrees with you, I don't think he
's gonna show up tonight.
People with different opinion are welcome here; people who act like their
shit don't stink are not.
Or
you
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Hahaha. Do you agree or disagree that the original story doesn't sense? Or
: neither because you're so entrenched in any position against mine, that you
: will protest even when I state "you disagree with me."
: Yes people who are of different opinions are annoying. North Korea is a
: harmonious society. You should check it out.
:
: that
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 49 什么情况?
【在 g******d 的大作中提到】
: TMD一个酒后行凶惹事本来该吃牢饭的也有脸来说教
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b*****u
发帖数: 8 | |
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h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 51 Same story. "The guy" is an ignorant fool, and if you think you would do
the same, you probably are ashamed to be a gun owner too.
I bet this's what you do everyday, secretly obsessed with your trap gun
and enjoying the recoil, but unwilling to disclose it to ppl around you,
because it's against your "common sense" to enjoy "weapons of mass
murder". That's right, a shotgun was used in DC mass murder. Do you feel the
guilt?
clerk
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Hahaha. Do you agree or disagree that the original story doesn't sense? Or
: neither because you're so entrenched in any position against mine, that you
: will protest even when I state "you disagree with me."
: Yes people who are of different opinions are annoying. North Korea is a
: harmonious society. You should check it out.
:
: that
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 52 Ahahahaha, 原来成功人士就是一天到晚在网上搞drama, 然后跟人打打架....这个咱十
几岁的时候在国内就玩腻了，后来有了稳定的女朋友也就不折腾了。 归根结底还是光
棍地荷尔蒙惹的祸，娶了老婆的人一天就没什么欲望在网上装左翼精英了，赶紧吧，不
然面团真变成面起子了。
【在 b*****u 的大作中提到】
:
: http://www.weiming.info/zhuti/SanFrancisco/31950840/
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | |
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 54 why it's not acceptable?
there
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: I said "most gun nuts would..." not "all." I said that because I know there
: are lunatics out there who think open carry in a bank is acceptable.
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 55 看懂了，这个人的脑子里面有屎．
tried
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: It was the tipping point.
: Even when I supported gun ownership, most of the pro-gun arguments NRA tried
: to sell me didn't make sense. After Sandy Hook, I realized I could no
: longer selfishly defend a hobby at the expense of many innocent lives.
: Not trying to start a debate - just chronicling a personal shift.
|
j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 56 律师也是假的吧
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: Ahahahaha, 原来成功人士就是一天到晚在网上搞drama, 然后跟人打打架....这个咱十
: 几岁的时候在国内就玩腻了，后来有了稳定的女朋友也就不折腾了。 归根结底还是光
: 棍地荷尔蒙惹的祸，娶了老婆的人一天就没什么欲望在网上装左翼精英了，赶紧吧，不
: 然面团真变成面起子了。
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 57 Keep making up rumors about me like old housewives, as long as that helps
your argument.
It's funny that no pro-gun person on this board has manned up to the fact
that they have been misled by the pro-gun news source. It's a simple fact
that I pointed out. Now I'm a wifeless hormone-charged left wing. Hahaha.
Pro-gun pseudo-conservatives at their best.
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: Ahahahaha, 原来成功人士就是一天到晚在网上搞drama, 然后跟人打打架....这个咱十
: 几岁的时候在国内就玩腻了，后来有了稳定的女朋友也就不折腾了。 归根结底还是光
: 棍地荷尔蒙惹的祸，娶了老婆的人一天就没什么欲望在网上装左翼精英了，赶紧吧，不
: 然面团真变成面起子了。
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 58 A lot of things are legal but goes against common sense. Sleeping with your
boss's wife, wearing a t-shirt that says "Allah is great" at an airport, and
open carry in a bank all fall in this category.
Yes common sense can be subjective. You are free to tell me these things are
within common sense (even though deep down you know they are not). But the
best way to convince me, again, is to open carry yourself in a bank, and
come back with a video clip to show me.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: why it's not acceptable?
:
: there
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 59 Wrong again. Everyone around me, including bosses and coworkers, know I'm a
gun owner.
Please try a different attack.
the
【在 h*********n 的大作中提到】
: Same story. "The guy" is an ignorant fool, and if you think you would do
: the same, you probably are ashamed to be a gun owner too.
: I bet this's what you do everyday, secretly obsessed with your trap gun
: and enjoying the recoil, but unwilling to disclose it to ppl around you,
: because it's against your "common sense" to enjoy "weapons of mass
: murder". That's right, a shotgun was used in DC mass murder. Do you feel the
: guilt?
:
: clerk
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E********t
发帖数: 2447 | 60 提醒一下。这楼之所以还盖着是因为讨论是围绕所谓law versus common sense。不是
什么新话题但是版规虽不鼓励但也并不反对。如果有以下情况发生版务会相应采取措施。
1。鼓吹禁枪控枪。删贴并7天。
2。人身攻击或者披露其他无关信息的。删贴警告，再犯办3天。
谢谢。 |
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 61 谁知道呢。 *Shrug*
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: 律师也是假的吧
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 62 Sorry but those are just empty words, you have no credibility here.
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Don't try to debate the law or what a judge should do with me. You will
: lose every time. :)
:
: the
: law
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 63 Argument? what argument? You mean the one you already declared yourself
victorious before it started?
It's funny that you keep coming here with your uppity big-shot *lawyer*
attitude to educate us ignorant, misled gun-toting savages, yet you have
failed to convince even one person of anything other than the fact that you'
re just some internet loud mouth who has way too much time for your own good
, and you're way too miserable and insecure to be a lawyer with any kind of
success, because successful people don't go on the internet and start drama
and flame wars, they don't have time for that shit.
At this point I don't even think you had decent education - at least not as
much as you're trying to pretend to be. The more you talk the more you
expose who you really are, and I think the people here already got an idea.
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Keep making up rumors about me like old housewives, as long as that helps
: your argument.
: It's funny that no pro-gun person on this board has manned up to the fact
: that they have been misled by the pro-gun news source. It's a simple fact
: that I pointed out. Now I'm a wifeless hormone-charged left wing. Hahaha.
: Pro-gun pseudo-conservatives at their best.
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 64 Hahahahahaha.
Yeah, I must be an undereducated poser, an utter failure in life, because I
come here and talk to you. Hahaha. Did you learn these personal attacks in
your communist upbringing? 'Cuz these are pure gold man. Yeah forget logic.
The most insulting person wins.
good
of
drama
as
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: Argument? what argument? You mean the one you already declared yourself
: victorious before it started?
: It's funny that you keep coming here with your uppity big-shot *lawyer*
: attitude to educate us ignorant, misled gun-toting savages, yet you have
: failed to convince even one person of anything other than the fact that you'
: re just some internet loud mouth who has way too much time for your own good
: , and you're way too miserable and insecure to be a lawyer with any kind of
: success, because successful people don't go on the internet and start drama
: and flame wars, they don't have time for that shit.
: At this point I don't even think you had decent education - at least not as
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h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 65 I still don't get it. Why is me owning and enjoying my legal firearms "at th
e cost of innocent lives"?
If guns caused all the violence, then M-4 killed Bin Laden. Oh wait, why do
they keep telling me Navy Seals did it?
My point: I don't feel a bit guilty for the stupidity of stupid people.I don
't feel guilty for the evil deeds of evil people either. The trigger finger'
s owner got free will and he made a concious choice. People who don't want t
o be held accountable for what they did always blame objects and society. Th
ey make me sick
You know what's wrong about the society? People like you who keeps telling w
ould-be murderers that they don't need to control their inner demon. You
people won't give a shit why they did it, but will try everything to prove t
hat the object helped the him carry out the crime he set out to commit. Your
existence CONTRIBUTED to the atrocity.
I have no need to defend my gun ownership because it's non of your business.
You're merely repeating half-witted anti-gun slogans from NPR, so don't act
like you've given it any serious thoughts.
between a man and a woman.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 看懂了，这个人的脑子里面有屎．
:
: tried
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h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 66 Tell me again, why do you feel guilty for other's people's crimes? I'm not
feeling ashamed to be on the same board with you. It's your choice, made
under your free will, to leave a bad taste in everyone's mouths.
For some retarded reasons, you feel "selfish" because your recreation tool h
as been used in murders. And you're angry coz most ppl here do not share you
r guilt. Tell me, do you feel ashamed to have a dick when it's the only "wea
pon" in millions of rapes in this country every year?
I
in
.
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Hahahahahaha.
: Yeah, I must be an undereducated poser, an utter failure in life, because I
: come here and talk to you. Hahaha. Did you learn these personal attacks in
: your communist upbringing? 'Cuz these are pure gold man. Yeah forget logic.
: The most insulting person wins.
:
: good
: of
: drama
: as
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 67 You made some substantive arguments. But anti-gun speech is not allowed here
, so I can't really respond to you here. I'll be more than happy to discuss
further in private.
What I can say here is that I was merely recalling my own personal feelings
at the time. I'm not asking gun owners to feel guilty. I'm not asking anyone
to give up their guns. As long as guns are still legal, I think it's
wonderful that law-abiding citizens like you are buying more guns.
.
h
you
wea
【在 h*********n 的大作中提到】
: Tell me again, why do you feel guilty for other's people's crimes? I'm not
: feeling ashamed to be on the same board with you. It's your choice, made
: under your free will, to leave a bad taste in everyone's mouths.
: For some retarded reasons, you feel "selfish" because your recreation tool h
: as been used in murders. And you're angry coz most ppl here do not share you
: r guilt. Tell me, do you feel ashamed to have a dick when it's the only "wea
: pon" in millions of rapes in this country every year?
:
: I
: in
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 68 That is a pretty good summary of the impression you gave us.
You came here to provoke and to insult every "gun nut", you're the most
insulting person yet. I simply cut the covertly hostile bullshit and give it
back to you straight.
You seem to have forgotten logic in your own arguments, you turned to
personal attacks and rhetorics to deflect questions. again, I'm just
repeating your pattern. Don't like it? Then don't do that to people and
expect a civilized conversation.
You have selective hearing too, and that was too obvious to point out.
I
in
.
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: Hahahahahaha.
: Yeah, I must be an undereducated poser, an utter failure in life, because I
: come here and talk to you. Hahaha. Did you learn these personal attacks in
: your communist upbringing? 'Cuz these are pure gold man. Yeah forget logic.
: The most insulting person wins.
:
: good
: of
: drama
: as
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 69 I've had many civilized conversations with plenty of pro-gun guys here. But
you haven't demonstrated you are capable of that. I'm sorry - but you are
not. Keep gossiping about my personal life. It has been very helpful at
demonstrating the soundness of your argument.
it
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: That is a pretty good summary of the impression you gave us.
: You came here to provoke and to insult every "gun nut", you're the most
: insulting person yet. I simply cut the covertly hostile bullshit and give it
: back to you straight.
: You seem to have forgotten logic in your own arguments, you turned to
: personal attacks and rhetorics to deflect questions. again, I'm just
: repeating your pattern. Don't like it? Then don't do that to people and
: expect a civilized conversation.
: You have selective hearing too, and that was too obvious to point out.
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 70 I won't pretend I'm not here for bad mouthing, and I'll do that as long as
you come to this board and insult everyone.
But
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: I've had many civilized conversations with plenty of pro-gun guys here. But
: you haven't demonstrated you are capable of that. I'm sorry - but you are
: not. Keep gossiping about my personal life. It has been very helpful at
: demonstrating the soundness of your argument.
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