t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 1 Audio Meet 观感
真得要去看看,很多东西实物跟图片很不一样。
1。 Beyerdynamic T1, Grill很丑,带着横幅,网眼很小,配不上旗舰身份。跟T5P一
样,很Gay。
2。 Audeze, 每款都极重。那个螺丝,黑铁片很粗燥。 LCD-X,又黑又重,拿起来像
哑铃。
3。 Stax 007, 那个塑料电线好Cheap,实在配不上$1800的价位。 007amp, 像东莞
乡镇企业15年前的产品。
4。 Oppo Pm-1, 耳杯太小,压耳边。整个耳机不够大气,不Substantial。
5。 Schiit, 极烫手,连音量旋钮都烫的没法摸。 Modi像Kindergarten小盆友的第一
次手工。那两款旗舰RAGNAROK/Gungnir巨大无比,是Lyr的六-八倍,Modi的二十倍,重
得有可能
压垮桌子。黑色款不能碰,像是墨水涂上去的。
6。 Hifiman, 每款都极粗燥,极塑料,像地摊货。
7。 Bottlehead, too simple too naive.
8。Fostex, 那个巨大的仿木耳杯, 那两粗铜条,给Hulk用正合适。
9。 Woo WA3, 那个颜色质地,太工厂化了, 像一级车工的杰作。
10。 AudioTechnical, 那个handband分成两瓣的,太零碎了。
11。 PanAm, 难道就是传说中的变砖?
12。Grado GS1000, OMG, 这是成品还是初一学生的Science Project?
13. Audio-Technical, 那款On the ear, 实在没有勇气拿起来。
14. Sennheiser HD700, 一个世界级公司2012年会设计出这样的产品?RS220, 无法想
象出自
Sennheiser之手。HD518 belongs to 1970s.
唯一亮点,是Oppo HA-1,那个银色款,真的很精致。spectrum graph
graph动态很Sexy。可惜PM-1耳杯设计太反人类,,没法买,HA-1也就用
不上了。
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i***r 发帖数: 536 | 4 没有一个看上的啊?!
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.7
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Audio Meet 观感 : 真得要去看看,很多东西实物跟图片很不一样。 : 1。 Beyerdynamic T1, Grill很丑,带着横幅,网眼很小,配不上旗舰身份。跟T5P一 : 样,很Gay。 : 2。 Audeze, 每款都极重。那个螺丝,黑铁片很粗燥。 LCD-X,又黑又重,拿起来像 : 哑铃。 : 3。 Stax 007, 那个塑料电线好Cheap,实在配不上$1800的价位。 007amp, 像东莞 : 乡镇企业15年前的产品。 : 4。 Oppo Pm-1, 耳杯太小,压耳边。整个耳机不够大气,不Substantial。 : 5。 Schiit, 极烫手,连音量旋钮都烫的没法摸。 Modi像Kindergarten小盆友的第一
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 5 呵呵,只喜欢HD800,当然它也有些cold and mechanical, 但比起其它Flagship还好很
多。如果Auduze能轻一半,将螺丝去掉,升级铁片的话,会是优于HD800的设计。
这篇是我看到过最客观的Review. Echo my points:
Auduze LCD-X:
"the great weight of the LCD-X means that the comfort of the heaband is
easily one of the worst—if not the worst, I’ve experiencd in my time of
being a headhopne enthusiast"
Oppo PM-1:
"Comfort wise it’s decent, but the biggest drawback will be the earpads,
which I find slightly too small for my liking".
HifiMan HE-560:
"Although it sports an ebony veneer which comes off as a bit flashy, it's
still very rudimentary compared to the high dollar aesthetics of the LCD-X
and PM-1. The finish and application of the veneer could be better, as the
edge of the veneer is a bit rough looking".
http://www.head-fi.org/t/722163/battle-of-the-modern-planars-lc
【在 i***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 没有一个看上的啊?! : : ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.7
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i***e 发帖数: 373 | 6 How about Woo Audio's WA7(D)?
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Audio Meet 观感 : 真得要去看看,很多东西实物跟图片很不一样。 : 1。 Beyerdynamic T1, Grill很丑,带着横幅,网眼很小,配不上旗舰身份。跟T5P一 : 样,很Gay。 : 2。 Audeze, 每款都极重。那个螺丝,黑铁片很粗燥。 LCD-X,又黑又重,拿起来像 : 哑铃。 : 3。 Stax 007, 那个塑料电线好Cheap,实在配不上$1800的价位。 007amp, 像东莞 : 乡镇企业15年前的产品。 : 4。 Oppo Pm-1, 耳杯太小,压耳边。整个耳机不够大气,不Substantial。 : 5。 Schiit, 极烫手,连音量旋钮都烫的没法摸。 Modi像Kindergarten小盆友的第一
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 7 simply the best at its price point and class.
【在 i***e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : How about Woo Audio's WA7(D)?
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i***e 发帖数: 373 | 8 Is WA7D necessary? Or WA7 good enough? I understand diminishing return,
just wondering if I am able to tell any difference at all.
So WA7 is better than Schiit Bifrost+ Lyr 2?
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : simply the best at its price point and class.
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 9 No need for wa7d in my opinion. It is the exactly same except the additional
optical input. There's no sonic difference. You only need Wa7d if you plan
to use a source that will output via optical.
I didn't listen too much on lyr2. Its heat just turns me off. I don't like
get burnt by turning the volume knob :)
Wd7 on the other hand has no heat issue. It is warm, but much less, let
alone buring hot. The knob is not warm at all.
Get the Wa7tp also and you won't regret. It is the most stunning looking amp
on the market. You will fully appreciate its beauty at night when lights
are off. It sounds extremely well with HD650 with an audioquest sliver
coated USB cable. Sometime make you wonder how much better it can get.
【在 i***e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Is WA7D necessary? Or WA7 good enough? I understand diminishing return, : just wondering if I am able to tell any difference at all. : So WA7 is better than Schiit Bifrost+ Lyr 2?
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n********n 发帖数: 529 | 10 又来放毒。话说我这两天又折腾了一下,Creative E5和 ifi iDSD Nano。E5还是挺好
玩的。然后今天又pre-order了一个Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon。
additional
amp
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : No need for wa7d in my opinion. It is the exactly same except the additional : optical input. There's no sonic difference. You only need Wa7d if you plan : to use a source that will output via optical. : I didn't listen too much on lyr2. Its heat just turns me off. I don't like : get burnt by turning the volume knob :) : Wd7 on the other hand has no heat issue. It is warm, but much less, let : alone buring hot. The knob is not warm at all. : Get the Wa7tp also and you won't regret. It is the most stunning looking amp : on the market. You will fully appreciate its beauty at night when lights : are off. It sounds extremely well with HD650 with an audioquest sliver
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 11 呵呵, 这条线明明是退烧消毒用的。
收到后谈谈观感吧。
【在 n********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 又来放毒。话说我这两天又折腾了一下,Creative E5和 ifi iDSD Nano。E5还是挺好 : 玩的。然后今天又pre-order了一个Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon。 : : additional : amp
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a***y 发帖数: 19743 | 13 顺手搜索了一下HD700,看起来好反人类。
Grado的样式其实很不错的。隽永的style
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Audio Meet 观感 : 真得要去看看,很多东西实物跟图片很不一样。 : 1。 Beyerdynamic T1, Grill很丑,带着横幅,网眼很小,配不上旗舰身份。跟T5P一 : 样,很Gay。 : 2。 Audeze, 每款都极重。那个螺丝,黑铁片很粗燥。 LCD-X,又黑又重,拿起来像 : 哑铃。 : 3。 Stax 007, 那个塑料电线好Cheap,实在配不上$1800的价位。 007amp, 像东莞 : 乡镇企业15年前的产品。 : 4。 Oppo Pm-1, 耳杯太小,压耳边。整个耳机不够大气,不Substantial。 : 5。 Schiit, 极烫手,连音量旋钮都烫的没法摸。 Modi像Kindergarten小盆友的第一
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 14 Grado有的款式不错,但那个GS1000。。。还是你自己去看吧。注意它的Earpad
是无边的一块黑海绵。
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 顺手搜索了一下HD700,看起来好反人类。 : Grado的样式其实很不错的。隽永的style
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a***y 发帖数: 19743 | 15 grado的难道不都是黑海绵?
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Grado有的款式不错,但那个GS1000。。。还是你自己去看吧。注意它的Earpad : 是无边的一块黑海绵。
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 16 阿嚏...then I don't like any Grado, lol
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : grado的难道不都是黑海绵?
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a***y 发帖数: 19743 | 17 音质没的比
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 阿嚏...then I don't like any Grado, lol
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 18 跟许多Amp一样,音质没得比,也丑的没得比,lol
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 音质没的比
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c********n 发帖数: 122 | 19 Naughty你不是不折腾了吗?;)
【在 n********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 又来放毒。话说我这两天又折腾了一下,Creative E5和 ifi iDSD Nano。E5还是挺好 : 玩的。然后今天又pre-order了一个Cavalli Audio Liquid Carbon。 : : additional : amp
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n********n 发帖数: 529 | 20 我说不折腾耳机了,没说不折腾耳放。:)
【在 c********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Naughty你不是不折腾了吗?;)
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c********n 发帖数: 122 | 21 哈哈。有什么心得吗?
【在 n********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我说不折腾耳机了,没说不折腾耳放。:)
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n********n 发帖数: 529 | 22 心得就是不能全看评测,还是要靠自己的耳朵。:)
【在 c********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 哈哈。有什么心得吗?
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 23 这是我读过的最好心得了, lol.
Seroiusly, 尤其不能看那些耳机油子比如Mike Mercer之类的评测。这帮人拿了别人的
手软, 只会一味说好话。什么东西在他们口里说出来都是天下第一。只有用户写的, 优
缺点兼有的评测才可靠。以偶愚见, 任何一个测评, 如果不用15-20%的篇幅来谈缺点,
那就基本是个托, 可以跳过。
其次, 最好能上手。比如偶一直想买lcd-2/3, 上了手才知道它那那么重。也想进一套
schiit, 摸过之后才知道它那么烫, 更不知道她它还hum.
【在 n********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 心得就是不能全看评测,还是要靠自己的耳朵。:)
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 24 今天去试听了Mcintosh MHA100 和 Auduze Lcd 3, not impressed. 造型很cool, 可
声音非常一般, 比不上Wa7+hd650. 可能没burn in, 或者听的时间不够。有机会再去
试试。lcd3 到是没觉得那么重了, 戴上还行。
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这是我读过的最好心得了, lol. : Seroiusly, 尤其不能看那些耳机油子比如Mike Mercer之类的评测。这帮人拿了别人的 : 手软, 只会一味说好话。什么东西在他们口里说出来都是天下第一。只有用户写的, 优 : 缺点兼有的评测才可靠。以偶愚见, 任何一个测评, 如果不用15-20%的篇幅来谈缺点, : 那就基本是个托, 可以跳过。 : 其次, 最好能上手。比如偶一直想买lcd-2/3, 上了手才知道它那那么重。也想进一套 : schiit, 摸过之后才知道它那么烫, 更不知道她它还hum.
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 25 梦之队。
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 今天去试听了Mcintosh MHA100 和 Auduze Lcd 3, not impressed. 造型很cool, 可 : 声音非常一般, 比不上Wa7+hd650. 可能没burn in, 或者听的时间不够。有机会再去 : 试试。lcd3 到是没觉得那么重了, 戴上还行。
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 27 哈哈, this is really fun, bluntly honest too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CqSuHcPGQXY
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 今天去试听了Mcintosh MHA100 和 Auduze Lcd 3, not impressed. 造型很cool, 可 : 声音非常一般, 比不上Wa7+hd650. 可能没burn in, 或者听的时间不够。有机会再去 : 试试。lcd3 到是没觉得那么重了, 戴上还行。
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c********n 发帖数: 122 | 28 哈哈 不错。
Neck and spine disease... These are really heavy!
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 哈哈, this is really fun, bluntly honest too. : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CqSuHcPGQXY
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n********n 发帖数: 529 | 29 话说这个WA7到底怎么样?看了这个 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ_YXjmHbBY
,2:46 ,居然说内部的DAC还不如Schiit Modi。
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 今天去试听了Mcintosh MHA100 和 Auduze Lcd 3, not impressed. 造型很cool, 可 : 声音非常一般, 比不上Wa7+hd650. 可能没burn in, 或者听的时间不够。有机会再去 : 试试。lcd3 到是没觉得那么重了, 戴上还行。
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 30 见仁见智吧, 也见过说比hugo 里面的dac好的, lol。还有人pm我说explorer 2比hugo
好太多, 特地卖了hugo留explore 的。
还是自己听过了, 喜欢了最靠谱。
YXjmHbBY
【在 n********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 话说这个WA7到底怎么样?看了这个 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ_YXjmHbBY : ,2:46 ,居然说内部的DAC还不如Schiit Modi。
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 31 "I had Hugo briefly and while its really good i dint think it gave me enough
sound for the money, again, most people plug all kinds of devices, i guess
it sounds diferent, to me it was a bit cold, detailed and digital, i wanted
more analogue warmth i dint think it gave enough of.Id say def test before
you buy, most love it of course.
The explorer2 is only 200 and i prefer the sound presentation, sweeter,
liquid.
In fact i much prefer the 200 explorer2 to Hugo or ak240 any day and im
not the only one"
hugo
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 见仁见智吧, 也见过说比hugo 里面的dac好的, lol。还有人pm我说explorer 2比hugo : 好太多, 特地卖了hugo留explore 的。 : 还是自己听过了, 喜欢了最靠谱。 : : YXjmHbBY
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 32 这个poll将wa7 里面的dac列为第一, 得分比bifrost高1.5倍:
http://lifehacker.com/most-popular-digital-to-analog-converter-
YXjmHbBY
【在 n********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 话说这个WA7到底怎么样?看了这个 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ_YXjmHbBY : ,2:46 ,居然说内部的DAC还不如Schiit Modi。
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i***e 发帖数: 373 | 33 Neither Naughty's youtube video or this ranking is of much credibility.
No technicality details, no A/B test result. Any better review on WA7's USB
DAC?
My reading seems to suggest AMP is better part of WA7. But how the DAC part
compares to others is not clear.
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个poll将wa7 里面的dac列为第一, 得分比bifrost高1.5倍: : http://lifehacker.com/most-popular-digital-to-analog-converter- : : YXjmHbBY
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 34 Reviews with technical detail and A/B test may also be of little use as it
contains the reviewer's bias. Try to read the very technical review on how a
$2000 power cord or a $1000 USB cable improve sound quality...
Philosophically, there's no single "best system" in the world, only best
system in one's world. Best system of one's could be the worst of others.
The fact some really like the DAC in WA7, some totally dislike it says it
all.
At the end of the day, your ear is the best judge. Reading is never enough,
sometimes unnecessary as it wastes time and creates confusion. Trust you ear
and your intuition, let others go to hell, lol.
USB
part
【在 i***e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Neither Naughty's youtube video or this ranking is of much credibility. : No technicality details, no A/B test result. Any better review on WA7's USB : DAC? : My reading seems to suggest AMP is better part of WA7. But how the DAC part : compares to others is not clear.
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c********n 发帖数: 122 | 35 Well said.
You are one the few people who speaks of negatives of systems. Most of the
reviews on YouTube unfortunately are too positive. They don't often say
something is bad. Rather they like to say something is great, but something
else is better....I enjoyed the video in which the guy complains about LCD 3
.
There's no perfect system for everybody. There's only good system for
someone for the price you want to pay.
review on how a
,
ear
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Reviews with technical detail and A/B test may also be of little use as it : contains the reviewer's bias. Try to read the very technical review on how a : $2000 power cord or a $1000 USB cable improve sound quality... : Philosophically, there's no single "best system" in the world, only best : system in one's world. Best system of one's could be the worst of others. : The fact some really like the DAC in WA7, some totally dislike it says it : all. : At the end of the day, your ear is the best judge. Reading is never enough, : sometimes unnecessary as it wastes time and creates confusion. Trust you ear : and your intuition, let others go to hell, lol.
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 36 Exactly right. That's why I said if a review doesn't contain 15-20%
criticism, it is not trustworthy.
So much I love Wa7+Wa7tp, there are still a few negatives, even though they
are minimum:
During the day, the black base and glass look a bit boring. It improves
drastically
at night when the tubes are glowing.
The sliver one is too light. They
should make a machine gray one.
It takes 15-20 seconds for the tubes to warm up each time when you turn it
on before you can hear any music;
The glass top is not fixed on the base top. They should use the tube chasis
to create a locking condition.
The glass catches dust easily.
No power cable is included with the package;
The power knob can be improved. It is loose and not as solid as the rest of
the system.
Finally, The price could be more enthusiast friendly. Although I have no
complaints after owning them. After all, if money can buy you happiness, so
be it, and that's priceless :)
something
3
【在 c********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Well said. : You are one the few people who speaks of negatives of systems. Most of the : reviews on YouTube unfortunately are too positive. They don't often say : something is bad. Rather they like to say something is great, but something : else is better....I enjoyed the video in which the guy complains about LCD 3 : . : There's no perfect system for everybody. There's only good system for : someone for the price you want to pay. : : review on how a
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c********n 发帖数: 122 | 37 看见 R70x心里又长草了。。。 :(
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i***e 发帖数: 373 | 38 现在Fidelio X2很火,有人说是$500以下耳机的King,超过HD650。靠谱么?
【在 c********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 看见 R70x心里又长草了。。。 :( : 有人试过么?
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c********n 发帖数: 122 | 39 好像很不错。我也对x2很感兴趣。不过今天看见r70x觉得看着比x2顺眼多了。
【在 i***e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 现在Fidelio X2很火,有人说是$500以下耳机的King,超过HD650。靠谱么?
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 40 新出炉的R70X Review, 以及与X1的比较:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/765004/audio-technica-ath-r70x-in-dept
【在 c********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 好像很不错。我也对x2很感兴趣。不过今天看见r70x觉得看着比x2顺眼多了。
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i***e 发帖数: 373 | 42 A great review of WA7's DAC:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/763045/review-wa7-lcd-2f-dac-shoot-out
they
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Exactly right. That's why I said if a review doesn't contain 15-20% : criticism, it is not trustworthy. : So much I love Wa7+Wa7tp, there are still a few negatives, even though they : are minimum: : During the day, the black base and glass look a bit boring. It improves : drastically : at night when the tubes are glowing. : The sliver one is too light. They : should make a machine gray one. : It takes 15-20 seconds for the tubes to warm up each time when you turn it
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t*******y 发帖数: 10477 | 43 这类Review的通病:初看详实细腻,细看拖沓,冗长,啰嗦,重复,不知所云,看完跟
没看一样。lol
俺使半天劲,下半天决心,努半天力,总算看完第一篇。翻倒第四页,还有一篇一样长
的。。。直接跳过。
哪位想写Review, 基本可以套用这个格式:这款engaging, 那款airy, 款3 musical,
款4 value, 款5 初听不好,越听越好,款6 best all arounder, 款7 有点dull and
veil, 但低音出色, 款8 配这个 DAC 简直就是个killer, 款9没啥惊艳的,但是偶一听
就入耳,跟了偶这么多年,还是偶的最爱。。。
【在 i***e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : A great review of WA7's DAC: : http://www.head-fi.org/t/763045/review-wa7-lcd-2f-dac-shoot-out : : they
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