c***h
发帖数: 2092 | 1 不到一年，银涨了超过100%。现在银从30涨到40，金价却很平稳，很不正常啊，有高手
评点评点吗？ |
g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 2 银子以前打压太大，现在是价格回归。金子是随着纸币的崩溃而正常的升值 |
t****g
发帖数: 35582 | 3 silver有工业用途，约占总demand的40%。金子除了做首饰外毫无用途，如果没人炒，
金子本身是个不产生任何价值的东西。
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 银子以前打压太大，现在是价格回归。金子是随着纸币的崩溃而正常的升值
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c***h
发帖数: 2092 | |
g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 5 金子就是因为没什么用，所以用来当钱最合适，自古都这样，不用炒。本来纸币就是破烂。
gold is money, us dollar is currency
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
: silver有工业用途，约占总demand的40%。金子除了做首饰外毫无用途，如果没人炒，
: 金子本身是个不产生任何价值的东西。
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c***h
发帖数: 2092 | 6 貌似金是非常好的导体，比铜银都好，如果金储藏和铜一样丰富，就可以用金做电线了
。不能说没有价
值吧。
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
: silver有工业用途，约占总demand的40%。金子除了做首饰外毫无用途，如果没人炒，
: 金子本身是个不产生任何价值的东西。
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w****n
发帖数: 407 | 7 美元相对于黄金的价值掌握在伯南克手中。美元会自杀吗？物极必反。
金价还能筑几个月的顶，然后就要被伯南克打下来了。那些做多黄金的国家
就要损失流动性。随着美元的走强，热钱回流美国，一些国家的外汇储备
遭遇挤兑，被迫低价甩卖中长期美国国债。美国完成债务重置。
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 银子以前打压太大，现在是价格回归。金子是随着纸币的崩溃而正常的升值
|
g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 8 金子又软又沉性质又稳定，其实不是好的金属。但不容易破坏，可以轻松复原，挖出多
少就存在多少，量又不大，历史地位又高。所以金子当钱是最合适的东西。
自古纸币对金子的下场都是破产清零。
【在 c***h 的大作中提到】
: 貌似金是非常好的导体，比铜银都好，如果金储藏和铜一样丰富，就可以用金做电线了
: 。不能说没有价
: 值吧。
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g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 9 别逗了，现在全世界是纸币相互比谁烂，一起对金子贬值。
告诉你最终目标就是黄金和道琼斯指数达到1:2或者1:1。1百多年已经3次了，这次是第
四次
【在 w****n 的大作中提到】
: 美元相对于黄金的价值掌握在伯南克手中。美元会自杀吗？物极必反。
: 金价还能筑几个月的顶，然后就要被伯南克打下来了。那些做多黄金的国家
: 就要损失流动性。随着美元的走强，热钱回流美国，一些国家的外汇储备
: 遭遇挤兑，被迫低价甩卖中长期美国国债。美国完成债务重置。
|
c***h
发帖数: 2092 | 10 我们做实验每年撞掉不少金子哈哈
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 金子又软又沉性质又稳定，其实不是好的金属。但不容易破坏，可以轻松复原，挖出多
: 少就存在多少，量又不大，历史地位又高。所以金子当钱是最合适的东西。
: 自古纸币对金子的下场都是破产清零。
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c***h
发帖数: 2092 | 11 趋势是没错，可是没人知道那个顶是多少，也不知道多久开始打压。
【在 w****n 的大作中提到】
: 美元相对于黄金的价值掌握在伯南克手中。美元会自杀吗？物极必反。
: 金价还能筑几个月的顶，然后就要被伯南克打下来了。那些做多黄金的国家
: 就要损失流动性。随着美元的走强，热钱回流美国，一些国家的外汇储备
: 遭遇挤兑，被迫低价甩卖中长期美国国债。美国完成债务重置。
|
t****g
发帖数: 35582 | 12 你们不要只想纸币好不好:)
自古以来对金子升值的其它的资产多了去了。只有傻子才会手握满把纸币。难道一个投
资工具能beat傻子就是成功的？
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 金子又软又沉性质又稳定，其实不是好的金属。但不容易破坏，可以轻松复原，挖出多
: 少就存在多少，量又不大，历史地位又高。所以金子当钱是最合适的东西。
: 自古纸币对金子的下场都是破产清零。
|
g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 13 你这不是废话吗，大家在讨论钱和钱的关系，在讨论real money 和 fiat money的关系。
你扯投资上干什么，你八字好中个乐透奖，比什么投资都牛。
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
: 你们不要只想纸币好不好:)
: 自古以来对金子升值的其它的资产多了去了。只有傻子才会手握满把纸币。难道一个投
: 资工具能beat傻子就是成功的？
|
t****g
发帖数: 35582 | 14 我似乎是看到你把话题转移到金子和钱上面去的。LZ是在讨论金子和银子。
算了，睡去了。
系。
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 你这不是废话吗，大家在讨论钱和钱的关系，在讨论real money 和 fiat money的关系。
: 你扯投资上干什么，你八字好中个乐透奖，比什么投资都牛。
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g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 15 本来金子银子就是钱，你是典型的被现代经济学家忽悠的老百姓
“In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings
from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value.”
“Gold and Economic Freedom” 1966, Alan Greenspan
“Gold and silver are money. Everything else is credit” J.P. Morgan
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
: 我似乎是看到你把话题转移到金子和钱上面去的。LZ是在讨论金子和银子。
: 算了，睡去了。
:
: 系。
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 16 it is "investment" who is driving silver in this rally, not its industrial
value.
that's exactly what 81 was talking about
its investment value is as "useless" as gold to you
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
: silver有工业用途，约占总demand的40%。金子除了做首饰外毫无用途，如果没人炒，
: 金子本身是个不产生任何价值的东西。
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g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 17 去年初金子才1000刀多一点的时候我让朋友们买金子，没一个听我的，都这些调调。
老百姓是傻，老是被经济学家忽悠。我的钱币店老板朋友说，有钱人一买就是20万刀的
金币。(我可是亲眼看了收据的)
industrial
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: it is "investment" who is driving silver in this rally, not its industrial
: value.
: that's exactly what 81 was talking about
: its investment value is as "useless" as gold to you
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m******t
发帖数: 165 | 18 1. 太阳能板现在使用银作电极，据说如果太阳能要取代核能的1/2，将用掉全世界所有
的银
2 历史上金银比平均16-20，所以有人认为银涨的空间还很大
【在 c***h 的大作中提到】
: 不到一年，银涨了超过100%。现在银从30涨到40，金价却很平稳，很不正常啊，有高手
: 评点评点吗？
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 19 LZ asked why silver has been outperforming gold in the past year
81 mentioned that silver's price was surpressed too much in the past that's
why it is rallying harder than gold
gold at least has been given some monetary premium even we have been off
gold standard for many years. At least most central bansk are still holding
gold.
Silver, on the other hand, did not receive any monetary premium before this
runup. When both silver and gold are money, they have a 16:1 relationshihp.
Gold to sivler ratio (GSR) was 70+ a year ago and now is at 36 or so. It
means silver has started being given some monetary premium, but still not
enough. GSR should at least go to 16 to give silve the full monetary premium.
However, silver has been consumed by industrial applications so its
inventory
is down quite a bit comparing to 30 years ago when GSR was back to 16. This
time around, it is very likely for GSR to go to 10 or even lower.
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
: 我似乎是看到你把话题转移到金子和钱上面去的。LZ是在讨论金子和银子。
: 算了，睡去了。
:
: 系。
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 20 I went all in gold/silver last year on Feb. 08 last year when gold was 1080
and silver was 15-, and has been adding.
Finally convinced my parents to buy a big chunk last summer before the
big rally.
could not be happier for this "investment"
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 去年初金子才1000刀多一点的时候我让朋友们买金子，没一个听我的，都这些调调。
: 老百姓是傻，老是被经济学家忽悠。我的钱币店老板朋友说，有钱人一买就是20万刀的
: 金币。(我可是亲眼看了收据的)
:
: industrial
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c***h
发帖数: 2092 | 21 如果真是这样，投资银岂不是潜力无限啊。I kind of doubt that。
that's
off
holding
this
relationshihp.
It
not
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: LZ asked why silver has been outperforming gold in the past year
: 81 mentioned that silver's price was surpressed too much in the past that's
: why it is rallying harder than gold
: gold at least has been given some monetary premium even we have been off
: gold standard for many years. At least most central bansk are still holding
: gold.
: Silver, on the other hand, did not receive any monetary premium before this
: runup. When both silver and gold are money, they have a 16:1 relationshihp.
: Gold to sivler ratio (GSR) was 70+ a year ago and now is at 36 or so. It
: means silver has started being given some monetary premium, but still not
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 22 I would only buy gold from now on
physical silver is just too bukly to hold
【在 c***h 的大作中提到】
: 如果真是这样，投资银岂不是潜力无限啊。I kind of doubt that。
:
: that's
: off
: holding
: this
: relationshihp.
: It
: not
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t****g
发帖数: 35582 | 23 我承认sliver rally主要的driving力量是speculation，不过silver的"value"比gold
还是要强的。
而且从market performance也可以看出来，在预期通胀和经济增长的指导下
speculation，"industrial value"
背景更强的金属炒作本钱更大，比如，银，铜，锡。
这就是我的观点。
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: it is "investment" who is driving silver in this rally, not its industrial
: value.
: that's exactly what 81 was talking about
: its investment value is as "useless" as gold to you
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 24 it's good that you used the word "speculation"
in gold, there is no speculation coz gold itself is money
people should change the way of thinking to understand this
people should think how many different things they can buy using gold
in infalation, gold, i.e., the money, buys less other commodities such as
copper, food, energy...so you see those things outperform gold
in delfation, gold buys more of those things so gold outperforms them
gold
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
: 我承认sliver rally主要的driving力量是speculation，不过silver的"value"比gold
: 还是要强的。
: 而且从market performance也可以看出来，在预期通胀和经济增长的指导下
: speculation，"industrial value"
: 背景更强的金属炒作本钱更大，比如，银，铜，锡。
: 这就是我的观点。
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c***h
发帖数: 2092 | 25 它的这个缺点使它无法成为现代货币，所以按gsr预测是不可靠的吧。那些金融巨头也没必要把银弄成货币。
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: I would only buy gold from now on
: physical silver is just too bukly to hold
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m******t
发帖数: 165 | 26 what will happen to Gold/Silver if US dollar starts a up trend?
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 别逗了，现在全世界是纸币相互比谁烂，一起对金子贬值。
: 告诉你最终目标就是黄金和道琼斯指数达到1:2或者1:1。1百多年已经3次了，这次是第
: 四次
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c***h
发帖数: 2092 | 27 在森林体系下，当然是跌
rts a up trend?
【在 m******t 的大作中提到】
: what will happen to Gold/Silver if US dollar starts a up trend?
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t****g
发帖数: 35582 | 28 还有一个问题就是工业消耗造成的demand/supply关系的变化。
其实媒体天天炒石油如何如何要用完了，真正要炒的是某些工业用金属。银子似乎已经
到了供求拐点，锡似乎十多年没有实质性的储量增加了。当然了，随着价格越来越高，
这些东西的demand会下来，回收利用会增加，但是价格不会明显回调的。
也没必要把银弄成货币。
【在 c***h 的大作中提到】
: 它的这个缺点使它无法成为现代货币，所以按gsr预测是不可靠的吧。那些金融巨头也没必要把银弄成货币。
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t****g
发帖数: 35582 | 29 我主要是不太认同 gold is money。如果我们定义money是US$的话。
我感觉gold现在也是一种commodity，而且还是一种没有实质需求支撑的commodity，其
支撑力量不过是我们千百年来形成的gold is money的概念而已。
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: it's good that you used the word "speculation"
: in gold, there is no speculation coz gold itself is money
: people should change the way of thinking to understand this
: people should think how many different things they can buy using gold
: in infalation, gold, i.e., the money, buys less other commodities such as
: copper, food, energy...so you see those things outperform gold
: in delfation, gold buys more of those things so gold outperforms them
:
: gold
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n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 30 What is money?
It's funny you would challenge a belief formulated by the whole human race
over thousands of years rather than a piece of debt paper that only
existed for 40 years (or 78 years if you'd like to trace it back to 1933).
I guess this time is different, as the wall street "pundits" always say.
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
: 我主要是不太认同 gold is money。如果我们定义money是US$的话。
: 我感觉gold现在也是一种commodity，而且还是一种没有实质需求支撑的commodity，其
: 支撑力量不过是我们千百年来形成的gold is money的概念而已。
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s**********n
发帖数: 868 | 31 再多涨一会儿就不bulky了:)
也没必要把银弄成货币。
【在 c***h 的大作中提到】
: 它的这个缺点使它无法成为现代货币，所以按gsr预测是不可靠的吧。那些金融巨头也没必要把银弄成货币。
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s********n
发帖数: 1962 | 32 re this
race
1933).
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】
: What is money?
: It's funny you would challenge a belief formulated by the whole human race
: over thousands of years rather than a piece of debt paper that only
: existed for 40 years (or 78 years if you'd like to trace it back to 1933).
: I guess this time is different, as the wall street "pundits" always say.
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s********n
发帖数: 1962 | 33 又是一个美犹万能论的信徒。
You'll have the chance to witness not only US Dollar, but also
the failure of Federal Reserve itself.
【在 w****n 的大作中提到】
: 美元相对于黄金的价值掌握在伯南克手中。美元会自杀吗？物极必反。
: 金价还能筑几个月的顶，然后就要被伯南克打下来了。那些做多黄金的国家
: 就要损失流动性。随着美元的走强，热钱回流美国，一些国家的外汇储备
: 遭遇挤兑，被迫低价甩卖中长期美国国债。美国完成债务重置。
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s**********n
发帖数: 868 | 34 I couldn't agree more on this post.
Early last year when I was considering my first position in silver with the
mysterious GSR in mind, the big question I was wondering was:
Why is gold still well considered as money but not quite so for silver?
I was thinking whether the industrial consumption was actually a
disadvantage for silver's monetary premium. But in the end I convinced
myself that shouldn't be the case.
Money is after all a store of value. So any "stuff" that is generic, stable
(slowly growing) in global quantity and cost efficient to store over many
years will be a legitimate kind of money in the future. A lot of people
question how certain "stuff" is not convenient for circulation, but in fact
short-term circulation could be very well done by credit (electronic money).
(You don't often use cash already anyway.) What's important is that the
credit is denominated in the units of the real money.
Let's say, if USA secretly buys up all the gold, then return to gold
standard and all other countries become infinitely poor measured by gold.
China may say, "What the heck, we are not poor, we have plenty of copper",
and issue paper notes of 1T, 1kg, 1g of copper, and that will work and
eventually reach a balance in its exchange rate with USA's gold.
We are not going to see every storable hard commodity explicitly becoming a
currency, but all of them will have their monetary functions priced in.
I fully expect GSR going back to its ancient value, but I'm really shocked
to see it's going down this quickly.
s
holding
this
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: LZ asked why silver has been outperforming gold in the past year
: 81 mentioned that silver's price was surpressed too much in the past that's
: why it is rallying harder than gold
: gold at least has been given some monetary premium even we have been off
: gold standard for many years. At least most central bansk are still holding
: gold.
: Silver, on the other hand, did not receive any monetary premium before this
: runup. When both silver and gold are money, they have a 16:1 relationshihp.
: Gold to sivler ratio (GSR) was 70+ a year ago and now is at 36 or so. It
: means silver has started being given some monetary premium, but still not
|
c***h
发帖数: 2092 | 35 就算我们assume gsr会回落到以前历史值16吧，那白银上涨也不会超过100%了，错过了
黄金投资期
了。
the
stable
many
【在 s**********n 的大作中提到】
: I couldn't agree more on this post.
: Early last year when I was considering my first position in silver with the
: mysterious GSR in mind, the big question I was wondering was:
: Why is gold still well considered as money but not quite so for silver?
: I was thinking whether the industrial consumption was actually a
: disadvantage for silver's monetary premium. But in the end I convinced
: myself that shouldn't be the case.
: Money is after all a store of value. So any "stuff" that is generic, stable
: (slowly growing) in global quantity and cost efficient to store over many
: years will be a legitimate kind of money in the future. A lot of people
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 36 again, I dont think you get the point
gold/silver is to store values
【在 c***h 的大作中提到】
: 就算我们assume gsr会回落到以前历史值16吧，那白银上涨也不会超过100%了，错过了
: 黄金投资期
: 了。
:
: the
: stable
: many
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c***h
发帖数: 2092 | 37 我拜读了您的大作，都非常好，非常有道理。可是这不是投资版嘛，多探讨探讨他们的
投资价值也可以吧。 Store value银不如金吧。
还是谢谢大牛指点。
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: again, I dont think you get the point
: gold/silver is to store values
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t****g
发帖数: 35582 | 38 No, I did not say US dollar bill is money either.
What is money? that's something funny :)
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】
: What is money?
: It's funny you would challenge a belief formulated by the whole human race
: over thousands of years rather than a piece of debt paper that only
: existed for 40 years (or 78 years if you'd like to trace it back to 1933).
: I guess this time is different, as the wall street "pundits" always say.
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t****g
发帖数: 35582 | 39 你为啥认为金价不会继续上涨呢？
如果金价涨到1oz 20K，GSR 16，银子就是1oz 1.3K。当然，我是说如果地话。
【在 c***h 的大作中提到】
: 就算我们assume gsr会回落到以前历史值16吧，那白银上涨也不会超过100%了，错过了
: 黄金投资期
: 了。
:
: the
: stable
: many
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n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 40 The failure of Fed Reserve (and all central banks) is not a question of
if, but a question of when.
No fiat money has ever survived the ruling class' greed in the human
history, unless this time it's different.
History doesn't simply repeat, but it does rhyme.
【在 s********n 的大作中提到】
: 又是一个美犹万能论的信徒。
: You'll have the chance to witness not only US Dollar, but also
: the failure of Federal Reserve itself.
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 41 hand, been buying gold since $420/oz, haha, i was like an idiot when
everyone was buying big houses.
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 去年初金子才1000刀多一点的时候我让朋友们买金子，没一个听我的，都这些调调。
: 老百姓是傻，老是被经济学家忽悠。我的钱币店老板朋友说，有钱人一买就是20万刀的
: 金币。(我可是亲眼看了收据的)
:
: industrial
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 42 俺一土鳖，不过觉得那些什么金子比美元，金子比石油，金子比银子"应该"如何如何按
比例变动的都是扯，美元就一日落西山的货币而已。
【在 c***h 的大作中提到】
: 不到一年，银涨了超过100%。现在银从30涨到40，金价却很平稳，很不正常啊，有高手
: 评点评点吗？
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g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 43 420$ 1oz! 真是小母牛烤火--牛b烘烘!
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hand, been buying gold since $420/oz, haha, i was like an idiot when
: everyone was buying big houses.
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c***h
发帖数: 2092 | 44 嗯，牛B哄哄。
这个属于稳健投资，当时很有眼光。不过偶小声问一句，你这capital gain没有国内从
你买入金子是
开始屯房子的同学多吧。
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 俺一土鳖，不过觉得那些什么金子比美元，金子比石油，金子比银子"应该"如何如何按
: 比例变动的都是扯，美元就一日落西山的货币而已。
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 one guy i know even got in earlier in the $200~, cow.
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 420$ 1oz! 真是小母牛烤火--牛b烘烘!
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 46 no, they're NBer, which i never dare to compete, hehe, i only want a small
piece.
【在 c***h 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，牛B哄哄。
: 这个属于稳健投资，当时很有眼光。不过偶小声问一句，你这capital gain没有国内从
: 你买入金子是
: 开始屯房子的同学多吧。
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c***h
发帖数: 2092 | 47 赞，everything has it time.
small
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: no, they're NBer, which i never dare to compete, hehe, i only want a small
: piece.
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t****g
发帖数: 35582 | 48 啥元都是日落西山的货币:)
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 俺一土鳖，不过觉得那些什么金子比美元，金子比石油，金子比银子"应该"如何如何按
: 比例变动的都是扯，美元就一日落西山的货币而已。
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S*L
发帖数: 1746 | 49 Geez
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hand, been buying gold since $420/oz, haha, i was like an idiot when
: everyone was buying big houses.
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o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 50 现在银的shortage非常严重，
又有谣言政府balance sheet上的银全是假的。 |
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 51 SLV PROSPECTUS
"However, the custodian is not responsible for conducting any chemical or
other tests designed to verify that such silver meets the purity
requirements
referred to in the Trust Agreement."
SLV SEC 10K
"Silver transferred to the Trust in connection with the creation of Baskets
of iShares may not be of the quality required under the Trust Agreement. The
Trust will sustain a loss if the Trustee issues iShares in exchange for
silver of inferior quality and that loss will adversely affect the value of
all existing iShares."
how many people really read these documents before they purchase these
derivatives?
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: 现在银的shortage非常严重，
: 又有谣言政府balance sheet上的银全是假的。
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n****u
发帖数: 229 | 52 You are right. SLV's silver invetory is never audited.
Baskets
The
of
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: SLV PROSPECTUS
: "However, the custodian is not responsible for conducting any chemical or
: other tests designed to verify that such silver meets the purity
: requirements
: referred to in the Trust Agreement."
: SLV SEC 10K
: "Silver transferred to the Trust in connection with the creation of Baskets
: of iShares may not be of the quality required under the Trust Agreement. The
: Trust will sustain a loss if the Trustee issues iShares in exchange for
: silver of inferior quality and that loss will adversely affect the value of
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g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 53 海大人冒泡了，渡劫怎么样了，大家等你的回忆录呢
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: 现在银的shortage非常严重，
: 又有谣言政府balance sheet上的银全是假的。
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m*******o
发帖数: 264 | 54 Interesting post, I have been buying silver mine since March 2009, at that
time the silver price was around 15/oz, but the mine stocks don't perform
well recently due to the operating risk around the world, for example, the
mining nationalization in Bolivia, right now, I change part my position to
physical silver like SLV and some Ultra Silver AGQ. I felt this gold/silver
bubble would be the best investment opportunity since 2008 to 2012. Some
tips to those who own gold/silver, it didn't matter how much you own right
now, or how much gain you have, the most important thing is trying to close
your position at the top of this rally/bubble, but it's very hard, no buddy
know when is the top, One way I would suggest is that you sell part of your
position, say sell 1/2 when GSR is 20, or when gold is 2000, and sell 1/4
when gold is 2500, and sell the rest 1/8 when gold is 2800, and sell the
rest 1/8 whenever you like. After the bubble collapse, you can start to
short gold and silver, for example, buy ZSL when gold went above 3000 and
come back to 2500. If you check the 1979-1980 gold/silver rally chart, you
know the major rally and collapse happened in few months, it's like right
now. So enjoy the ride and good luck! |
m*******o
发帖数: 264 | 55 Here is the chart in 1979: |
c***h
发帖数: 2092 | 56 Nice！
【在 m*******o 的大作中提到】
: Here is the chart in 1979:
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w****a
发帖数: 1842 | 57 国内有人买银子一吨一买.上百万买银的更是屡见不鲜. |
w****n
发帖数: 1737 | 58 I like this post. should be marked
silver
close
buddy
your
【在 m*******o 的大作中提到】
: Interesting post, I have been buying silver mine since March 2009, at that
: time the silver price was around 15/oz, but the mine stocks don't perform
: well recently due to the operating risk around the world, for example, the
: mining nationalization in Bolivia, right now, I change part my position to
: physical silver like SLV and some Ultra Silver AGQ. I felt this gold/silver
: bubble would be the best investment opportunity since 2008 to 2012. Some
: tips to those who own gold/silver, it didn't matter how much you own right
: now, or how much gain you have, the most important thing is trying to close
: your position at the top of this rally/bubble, but it's very hard, no buddy
: know when is the top, One way I would suggest is that you sell part of your
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m******t
发帖数: 165 | 59 金在现代社会财富极大增加和交换的情况下，是不可能再当作货币的，否则会造成通货
紧缩，无人愿意
生产， 金只能在纸币失去信用时，不知价值几何时，所谓乱世时，才能作为临时货币
标准，以待纸币的
用从新建立。是没有办法的办法。所以金在正常情况下，不可能作为货币的
不要用以前的古典货币的概念来套用现在的现代货币的概念。几千年前的货币本身就是
普普通通的商
品，它是在交换过程中逐渐演变成一般等价物的， 不一定是金，贝克，铁，铜都曾经
被用作货币，古典
货币的本质就是一般等价物，黄金视为古典货币的最高阶段
现代货币之所以出现取代古典货币是为了适应社会财富发展而必须的。现代货币是指以
某一权力机构为
依托，推行的一种价值交换媒介、延期支付标准及作为完全流动的财富的储藏手段等功
能的凭证。 现代
货币依托于某一权力机构而存在，会随权力机构的信用消亡而消亡。所以现代社会要解
决的是如何建立
一个可靠，受所有参加交易者制约的权力机构来控制货币的发行，而不是回到古典货币
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 本来金子银子就是钱，你是典型的被现代经济学家忽悠的老百姓
: “In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings
: from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value.”
: “Gold and Economic Freedom” 1966, Alan Greenspan
: “Gold and silver are money. Everything else is credit” J.P. Morgan
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h*t
发帖数: 505 | 60 你这完全是教科书论调。
问题在于：人都是自私的，没有任何人可以阻止纸币的发行者为自己谋取利益。
而且这个利益是合法掠夺全世界人类财富的利益，没有任何人任何制度可以抵抗这种诱
惑。
【在 m******t 的大作中提到】
: 金在现代社会财富极大增加和交换的情况下，是不可能再当作货币的，否则会造成通货
: 紧缩，无人愿意
: 生产， 金只能在纸币失去信用时，不知价值几何时，所谓乱世时，才能作为临时货币
: 标准，以待纸币的
: 用从新建立。是没有办法的办法。所以金在正常情况下，不可能作为货币的
: 不要用以前的古典货币的概念来套用现在的现代货币的概念。几千年前的货币本身就是
: 普普通通的商
: 品，它是在交换过程中逐渐演变成一般等价物的， 不一定是金，贝克，铁，铜都曾经
: 被用作货币，古典
: 货币的本质就是一般等价物，黄金视为古典货币的最高阶段
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I******a
发帖数: 3812 | 61 That's the Hunt Brothers' spike. I'd take that out from the chart.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday
【在 m*******o 的大作中提到】
: Here is the chart in 1979:
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