g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 1 Very bad marketing company, but one of the most innovative
technology companies in this generation.
Long live Java. | z****e
发帖数: 54598 | | A**o
发帖数: 1550 | 3 说句老实话，我在工作以前还真不是java的fan。
但是上了这个贼船，只好认命了。
ms这个贼船目前状态还不错//窃喜
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Very bad marketing company, but one of the most innovative
: technology companies in this generation.
: Long live Java.
| k***r
发帖数: 4260 | 4 听上去，脚踏两只船？ :)
【在 A**o 的大作中提到】
: 说句老实话，我在工作以前还真不是java的fan。
: 但是上了这个贼船，只好认命了。
: ms这个贼船目前状态还不错//窃喜
| A**o
发帖数: 1550 | 5 没有，上船以后就老老实实地从了
【在 k***r 的大作中提到】
: 听上去，脚踏两只船？ :)
| l********0
发帖数: 283 | 6
这里有歧义
ms是指“Microsoft”还是“貌似”？
应该是貌似吧
【在 A**o 的大作中提到】
: 说句老实话，我在工作以前还真不是java的fan。
: 但是上了这个贼船，只好认命了。
: ms这个贼船目前状态还不错//窃喜
| k***r
发帖数: 4260 | 7 嗯。偶理解成M$了。以后只有看到$才理解成M$就对了。
【在 l********0 的大作中提到】
:
: 这里有歧义
: ms是指“Microsoft”还是“貌似”？
: 应该是貌似吧
| w*****d
发帖数: 2415 | 8 It just proves that technology is not enough to sustain a good company, and
the pipe dream of free open source software will eventually die.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Very bad marketing company, but one of the most innovative
: technology companies in this generation.
: Long live Java.
| g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 9 For the latter, on the contrary, free open source software keeps Java
alive. Without Spring, hibernate that led to EJB3, Struts that led to
JSF. We are stuck with JSP, Servlet and EJB2.x, and people would have jumped
into RoR camp without hesitation.
and
【在 w*****d 的大作中提到】
: It just proves that technology is not enough to sustain a good company, and
: the pipe dream of free open source software will eventually die.
| w*****d
发帖数: 2415 | 10 Can RoR sustain itself in the long run without eventually charging license
fee? Would you company make your proprietary software free to the customers?
Can you walk to your boss's desk and tell him that you are willing to work
for free because you are having fun and making the world a better place?
IMHO, RoR is not as competitive as Java and I would pay for a few hundred
dollars for a stable programming language with extensive documentation that
I use everyday, instead of betting my career with
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: For the latter, on the contrary, free open source software keeps Java
: alive. Without Spring, hibernate that led to EJB3, Struts that led to
: JSF. We are stuck with JSP, Servlet and EJB2.x, and people would have jumped
: into RoR camp without hesitation.
:
: and
| | | w*****d
发帖数: 2415 | 11 Yeah, it keeps Java alive, but not Sun, sadly.
jumped
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: For the latter, on the contrary, free open source software keeps Java
: alive. Without Spring, hibernate that led to EJB3, Struts that led to
: JSF. We are stuck with JSP, Servlet and EJB2.x, and people would have jumped
: into RoR camp without hesitation.
:
: and
| s****d
发帖数: 338 | 12 is JSF really an improvement over struts? every time i touch it, i found it
overly complicated, frail, difficult to debug, and slow in general.
jumped
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: For the latter, on the contrary, free open source software keeps Java
: alive. Without Spring, hibernate that led to EJB3, Struts that led to
: JSF. We are stuck with JSP, Servlet and EJB2.x, and people would have jumped
: into RoR camp without hesitation.
:
: and
| g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 13 No, JSF sucks. And it needs other framworks like seam just to
not suck as much. But it's still an improvement over raw jsp and
servlet. All I am saying is struts inspires web frameworks including
jsf.
it
【在 s****d 的大作中提到】
: is JSF really an improvement over struts? every time i touch it, i found it
: overly complicated, frail, difficult to debug, and slow in general.
:
: jumped
| g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 14 "open source" and "free" are two concepts. You can develop OSS and
charge for delivery, consulting, booking sales, certification, training
etc. You can even be open source and charge for licensing.
customers?
work
that
uncertain
【在 w*****d 的大作中提到】
: Can RoR sustain itself in the long run without eventually charging license
: fee? Would you company make your proprietary software free to the customers?
: Can you walk to your boss's desk and tell him that you are willing to work
: for free because you are having fun and making the world a better place?
: IMHO, RoR is not as competitive as Java and I would pay for a few hundred
: dollars for a stable programming language with extensive documentation that
: I use everyday, instead of betting my career with
| w*****d
发帖数: 2415 | 15 I think you need to take a look at this article, I never said Sun can't make
money on Java and Java-related projects, but not enough to turn a profit.
Ask yourself, how much money you spent on Java in the past few years? | g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 16 And what really Sun has contributed to Java communities in recent years?
JSF, most overrated underapplied web framework.
EJB3, finally some good immitation of spring and hibernate but we can live
without it.
JavaFX, would be a good applet 2.0 around 2000, but too little too late now.
Sun could have,
1. Focus on what Java is leading, forget JavaFx, that's a market already
lost
2. Acquire good java technology when they are first available and make them
standards. If Sun acquires spring, hibernate
【在 w*****d 的大作中提到】
: I think you need to take a look at this article, I never said Sun can't make
: money on Java and Java-related projects, but not enough to turn a profit.
: Ask yourself, how much money you spent on Java in the past few years?
| k***r
发帖数: 4260 | 17 i thought dell and some other companies used them.
they never paid?
【在 w*****d 的大作中提到】
: I think you need to take a look at this article, I never said Sun can't make
: money on Java and Java-related projects, but not enough to turn a profit.
: Ask yourself, how much money you spent on Java in the past few years?
| s****d
发帖数: 338 | 18 Sun also screwed up big time on applets. if they made applet more like what'
s in Java 6up10 when it first came out, we will not be talking about Ajax or
even Flash/Flex. but now it's 10 years late and i'm not sure it will ever
catch up.
now.
them
into
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: And what really Sun has contributed to Java communities in recent years?
: JSF, most overrated underapplied web framework.
: EJB3, finally some good immitation of spring and hibernate but we can live
: without it.
: JavaFX, would be a good applet 2.0 around 2000, but too little too late now.
: Sun could have,
: 1. Focus on what Java is leading, forget JavaFx, that's a market already
: lost
: 2. Acquire good java technology when they are first available and make them
: standards. If Sun acquires spring, hibernate
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