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发帖数: 21010 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: ldy (大才001), 信区: Military
标 题: 毛主席论女人与中国人口问题
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jan 25 13:16:06 2014, 美东)
之前在人人网上看到有人转了一个美国外交文件数据库的链接（http://static.histor
y.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v18/d12），说这是1973年中美会谈时
的一份记录，里面有猛料，于是点击来看。。内容果然十分劲爆，而且人物形象栩栩如
生，可以当话剧来演了。在网上搜了一下，没有看到有现成的比较好的翻译，只看到有
机器翻的，所以顺便把相关的段落中英对照地翻了出来，以缅怀伟大领袖毛主席对男女
平等事业所做出的卓越贡献。
FOREIGN RELATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES, 1969–1976 VOLUME XVIII, CHINA, 1973
–1976, DOCUMENT 12
参与者：
Mao Tsetung
Chou En-lai
王海容（Wang Hai-jung）：外交部副部长
唐闻生（Tang Wen-sheng）：翻译
沈若芸（Shen Jo-yun）：翻译
亨利?基辛格博士（Dr. Henry A. Kissinger）
温斯顿?罗德（Winston Lord）
北京, 二月 17–18, 1973, 11:30 p.m.–1:20 a.m.
Chairman Mao: The trade between our two countries at present is very pitiful
. It is gradually increasing. You know China is a very poor country. We don’
t have much. What we have in excess is women. (Laughter)
毛主席：目前我们两国之间的贸易少得可怜。它在逐渐增长。你知道中国是非常穷困的
国家。我们没有太多。我们多的是女人。（笑）
Dr. Kissinger: There are no quotas for those or tariffs.
基辛格博士：那些是没有配额或者关税的。
Chairman Mao: So if you want them we can give a few of those to you, some te
ns of thousands. (Laughter)
毛主席：所以如果你们需要她们，我们可以把其中的一些给你们，几万吧。（笑）
Prime Minister Chou: Of course, on a voluntary basis.
周总理：当然了，在自愿的基础上。
Chairmain Mao: Let them go to your place. They will create disasters. That w
ay you can lessen our burdens. (Laughter)
毛主席：让她们去你们的地方。她们将制造灾难。这样你就能减轻我们的负担了。（笑
）
....
Chairman Mao: Do you want our Chinese women? We can give you ten million. (L
aughter, particularly among the women.)
毛主席：你需要我们中国女人吗？我们能给你们一千万。（擦，不是说几万的么。——
苍庐注）（笑，尤其是女人们）
Dr. Kissinger: The Chairman is improving his offer.
基辛格博士：主席在追加他的供应。
Chairman Mao: By doing so we can let them flood your country with disaster a
nd therefore impair your interests. In our country we have too many women, a
nd they have a way of doing things. They give birth to children and our chil
dren are too many. (Laughter)
毛主席：这样我们就能让她们带着灾难涌入你们的国家，然后损害你们的利益。在我们
国家，我们有太多女人，而且她们有着一套做事情的方式。她们生小孩，我们的小孩太
多。（笑）
Dr. Kissinger: It is such a novel proposition, we will have to study it.
基辛格博士：这是多么新奇的提议（看得出基辛格同志的意思是“呵呵”。——苍庐注
），我们将研究一下。
Chairman Mao: You can set up a committee to study the issue. That is how you
r visit to China is settling the population question. (Laughter)
毛主席：你可以成立一个委员会来研究这件事情。这就是你中国此行解决人口问题之道
。（笑）
Dr. Kissinger: We will study utilization and allocation.
基辛格博士：我们将研究使用和分配。
Chairman Mao: If we ask them to go I think they would be willing.
毛主席：如果我们请她们走，我想她们会愿意的。
Prime Minister Chou: Not necessarily.
周总理：不一定。
Chairman Mao: That’s because of their feudal ideas, big nation chauvinism.
毛主席：这是因为她们的封建思想，大民族主义。
Dr. Kissinger: We are certainly willing to receive them.
基辛格博士：我们当然愿意接收她们。
...
Prime Minister Chou: You mean the Soviet Union?
周总理：你指的是苏联？
Dr. Kissinger: I mean the Soviet Union.
基辛格博士：我指的是苏联。
Prime Minister Chou: Miss Shen understood you
周总理：沈女士理解你的话。.
Chairman Mao: (Looking toward Miss Shen.) The Chinese have a good command of
English. (To Prime Minister Chou.) Who is she?
毛主席：（看着沈女士。）这位中国人英语不错。（对周总理）她是谁？
Prime Minister Chou: Miss Shen Jo-yun.
周总理：沈若芸女士。
Chairman Mao: Girls. (Prime Minister Chou laughs.) Today I have been utterin
g some nonsense for which I will have to beg the pardon of the women of Chin
a.
毛主席：女孩子。（周总理笑。）今天我已经说了些胡话，对此我将不得不请中国的女
人原谅。
Dr. Kissinger: It sounded very attractive to the Americans present.(Chairman
Mao and the girls laugh.)
基辛格博士：这听起来对在场的美国人来说很有吸引力。（毛主席和女孩子们笑。）
Chairman Mao: If we are going to establish a liaison office in your country
do you want Miss Shen or Miss Tang?
毛主席：如果我们要在你们国家建一个联络办公室，你想要沈女士还是唐女士？
Dr. Kissinger: We will deal with that through the channel of Huang Hua. (Lau
ghter)
基辛格博士：我会通过黄华的渠道处理这个问题。（笑）（说这句话的时候估计已经囧
到不行了——苍庐注）
...
Dr. Kissinger: We want to discourage a Soviet attack, not defeat it. We want
to prevent it. (Prime Minister Chou looks at his watch.)
基辛格博士：我们需要阻止苏联的攻击，而不是打败它。我们需要防范它。（周总理看
他的表。）
Chairman Mao: As for things, matters, in the world, it is hard to say. We wo
uld rather think about things this way. We think this way the world would be
better.
毛主席：对于这个世界上的事情，事物，是不好说的。我们宁愿这样思考问题。我们这
样认为，世界将会变得更好。
Dr. Kissinger: Which way?
基辛格博士：哪样？
Chairman Mao: That is that they would attack China and be defeated. We must
think of the worst eventuality.
毛主席：就是说他们将要进攻中国并且会被打败。我们必须要考虑最坏的后果。
Dr. Kissinger: That is your necessity. (Prime Minister Chou laughs.)
基辛格博士：你是需要。（周总理笑。）
Chairman Mao: We have so many women in our country that don’t know how to f
ight.
毛主席：我们在我们国家有许多不懂怎么打仗的女人。
Miss Tang: Not necessarily. There are women’s detachments.
基辛格博士：不一定。有娘子军。
Chairman Mao: They are only on stage. In reality if there is a fight you wou
ld flee very quickly and run into underground shelters.
毛主席：她们只是在舞台上。在现实中，如果有战斗，你会逃得飞快，并且跑到地下避
难所里。
Miss Wang: If the minutes of this talk were made public, it would incur the
public wrath on behalf of half the population.
王女士：到这次谈话被公之于众的时候，就会引起代表一半人口的群众的愤怒。（连王
姐姐都不能忍了。——苍庐注）
Chairman Mao: That is half of the population of China.
毛主席：那是一半的中国人口。（呵呵好严谨——苍庐注）
Prime Minister Chou: First of all, it wouldn’t pass the Foreign Ministry.
周总理：首先，这个不会给外交部。
Chairman Mao: We can call this a secret meeting. (Chinese laughter) Should o
ur meeting today be public, or kept secret?
毛主席：我们可以把这个叫秘密会议。（中国人笑）我们是把今天的会议公开呢，还是
保密？
Dr. Kissinger: It’s up to you. I am prepared to make it public if you wish.
基辛格博士：这个您决定。如果您想公开会议记录，我是准备好了的。（装——苍庐注
）（本句采@Petrichor 译法。——苍庐注）
Chairman Mao: What is your idea? Is it better to have it public or secret?
毛主席：你觉得呢？公开好呢还是保密好呢？
Dr. Kissinger: I think it is probably better to make it public.
基辛格博士：我觉得可能公开更好吧。（继续装——苍庐注）
Chairman Mao: Then the words we say about women today shall be made nonexist
ent. (Laughter)
毛主席：那今天关于女人的话应该处理成没说过。（笑）
Dr. Kissinger: We will remove them from the record. (Laughter) We will start
studying this proposal when I get back.
基辛格博士：我们会把它们从记录里移除。（笑）我回去以后，我们会着手研究这个提
议。
Chairman Mao: You know, the Chinese have a scheme to harm the United States,
that is, to send ten million women to the United States and impair its inte
rests by increasing its population.
毛主席：你懂的，中国人有一个伤害美国的阴谋，那就是把一千万女人送到美国去，通
过增加人口来损害它的利益。
Dr. Kissinger: The Chairman has fixed the idea so much in my mind that I’ll
certainly use it at my next press conference. (Laughter)
基辛格博士：主席这个点子让我印象是如此深刻，以至于我一定会在下次记者招待会上
用上它。（笑）
Chairman Mao: That would be all right with me. I’m not afraid of anything.
Anyway, God has sent me an invitation.
毛主席：对我来说没啥。我啥都不怕。再说，上帝给我邀请函了。 |
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