n****4 发帖数: 12553 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: beijingren (to thine own self be true), 信区: Military
标 题: 美国人私下对中国工程师的评价
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Mar 9 09:19:12 2018, 美东)
A。 NoPension Fri, 03/09/2018 - 08:14
Here is the problem with the Chinese, based on my experience. They latch
onto a product or a process, designed by others. They copy the shit out of
it...in multiples. Then they crank up production. BUT....they don't
understand the underlying principles of why this is that way, or that is
this way. I've worked with a few Chink engineers. Very well educated. They
could modify plans, etc...on the laptop faster than a blink. But the had no
underlying knowledge of " why " the copied machine we were working on did
this or that. From my standpoint...they were fucking useless tools. ZEro
original thinking. There was no " depth " of knowledge. Hard to explain, but
I think it comes from stealing tech and process....and not developing it
organically.
I remember constantly thinking...I'd hate to be a Chinese astronaut.
So...they've got steel making overcapacity in spades,..and the product is
generally, compared to other advanced economies....junk.
B. fx Fri, 03/09/2018 - 08:47
That's my experience, too.
But the Chinese are getting better at rapid speed. It is a vital part of
their strategic master plan to send thousands upon thousands of Chinese
students abroad to gain the insights and knowledge to understand the
processes in all sorts of areas and not merely to copy them. 10-20 years
yout you will see a vast improvement in Chinese understanding of high tech
processes. Another twenty years out and China will be top notch and actually
leading in the development. Their proigress is absolutely stunning. Talk
about riding along a learning curve within a learning curve.
The Western world is asleep at the wheel and completely off-guard regarding
this strategic threat.
It does offer certain strategic advantages if you can control and direct
armies of people the way the Chinese can. |
a*o 发帖数: 19981 | 2 呵呵搁本版挺合适的。
no
【在 n****4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】 : 发信人: beijingren (to thine own self be true), 信区: Military : 标 题: 美国人私下对中国工程师的评价 : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Mar 9 09:19:12 2018, 美东) : A。 NoPension Fri, 03/09/2018 - 08:14 : Here is the problem with the Chinese, based on my experience. They latch : onto a product or a process, designed by others. They copy the shit out of : it...in multiples. Then they crank up production. BUT....they don't : understand the underlying principles of why this is that way, or that is : this way. I've worked with a few Chink engineers. Very well educated. They
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M*P 发帖数: 6456 | 3 有的领域已经是中国领先世界了,比如大疆的无人机横扫美国啊。
:【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
:发信人: beijingren (to thine own self be true), 信区: Military |
w*********a 发帖数: 9279 | 4 老外说的完全真确。
我也有同感。 很多很多中国码农就是这个样子。 |
n****4 发帖数: 12553 | 5 象码农这种低技术的工种,根本不需要知道低层的东西,知道也没用。改改码,能用就
行了。非要一行行看,属于缘木求仙,说这话的老外就是民科
【在 w*********a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 老外说的完全真确。 : 我也有同感。 很多很多中国码农就是这个样子。
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r****z 发帖数: 12020 | 6 很久以前,一个曾经在韩国美军基地服役过的朋友告诉我,他们都知道中国人 reverse
engineering 很厉害,如果战场上武器装备被共军共军缴获,马上就能被复制出来。
那么我想,reverse engineering 的先进技术,至少我们是领先的吧。
no
【在 n****4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 象码农这种低技术的工种,根本不需要知道低层的东西,知道也没用。改改码,能用就 : 行了。非要一行行看,属于缘木求仙,说这话的老外就是民科
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w*********a 发帖数: 9279 | 7 这样的code不能重用。 很快就改不下去了。来个新项目救得重新来。
这样的人我以前接触过,后来都被辞退了。
【在 n****4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 象码农这种低技术的工种,根本不需要知道低层的东西,知道也没用。改改码,能用就 : 行了。非要一行行看,属于缘木求仙,说这话的老外就是民科
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H********g 发帖数: 43926 | 8 但是本版的同学都不是这个样子的
基本上就是肉人和器人的区别
【在 w*********a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 老外说的完全真确。 : 我也有同感。 很多很多中国码农就是这个样子。
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 9 老美中这种sb挺多的,他们也就最吃3哥那套ppt了,那些都是underlying bullshit么
no
【在 n****4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 象码农这种低技术的工种,根本不需要知道低层的东西,知道也没用。改改码,能用就 : 行了。非要一行行看,属于缘木求仙,说这话的老外就是民科
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 10 老美三哥里的废材最喜欢重写了,说到底就是看不懂别人的code,写码的基础太差
【在 w*********a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这样的code不能重用。 很快就改不下去了。来个新项目救得重新来。 : 这样的人我以前接触过,后来都被辞退了。
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a*****4 发帖数: 3081 | 11 老美工程师确实有不错的。烂的废材也是一大堆。再过20年自己人也不知道当初为啥设
计成那个样。 |
g*c 发帖数: 4510 | 12 I see two losers.
no
【在 n****4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 象码农这种低技术的工种,根本不需要知道低层的东西,知道也没用。改改码,能用就 : 行了。非要一行行看,属于缘木求仙,说这话的老外就是民科
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n****4 发帖数: 12553 | 13 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: beijingren (to thine own self be true), 信区: Military
标 题: 美国人私下对中国工程师的评价
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Mar 9 09:19:12 2018, 美东)
A。 NoPension Fri, 03/09/2018 - 08:14
Here is the problem with the Chinese, based on my experience. They latch
onto a product or a process, designed by others. They copy the shit out of
it...in multiples. Then they crank up production. BUT....they don't
understand the underlying principles of why this is that way, or that is
this way. I've worked with a few Chink engineers. Very well educated. They
could modify plans, etc...on the laptop faster than a blink. But the had no
underlying knowledge of " why " the copied machine we were working on did
this or that. From my standpoint...they were fucking useless tools. ZEro
original thinking. There was no " depth " of knowledge. Hard to explain, but
I think it comes from stealing tech and process....and not developing it
organically.
I remember constantly thinking...I'd hate to be a Chinese astronaut.
So...they've got steel making overcapacity in spades,..and the product is
generally, compared to other advanced economies....junk.
B. fx Fri, 03/09/2018 - 08:47
That's my experience, too.
But the Chinese are getting better at rapid speed. It is a vital part of
their strategic master plan to send thousands upon thousands of Chinese
students abroad to gain the insights and knowledge to understand the
processes in all sorts of areas and not merely to copy them. 10-20 years
yout you will see a vast improvement in Chinese understanding of high tech
processes. Another twenty years out and China will be top notch and actually
leading in the development. Their proigress is absolutely stunning. Talk
about riding along a learning curve within a learning curve.
The Western world is asleep at the wheel and completely off-guard regarding
this strategic threat.
It does offer certain strategic advantages if you can control and direct
armies of people the way the Chinese can. |
a*o 发帖数: 19981 | 14 呵呵搁本版挺合适的。
no
【在 n****4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】 : 发信人: beijingren (to thine own self be true), 信区: Military : 标 题: 美国人私下对中国工程师的评价 : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Mar 9 09:19:12 2018, 美东) : A。 NoPension Fri, 03/09/2018 - 08:14 : Here is the problem with the Chinese, based on my experience. They latch : onto a product or a process, designed by others. They copy the shit out of : it...in multiples. Then they crank up production. BUT....they don't : understand the underlying principles of why this is that way, or that is : this way. I've worked with a few Chink engineers. Very well educated. They
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M*P 发帖数: 6456 | 15 有的领域已经是中国领先世界了,比如大疆的无人机横扫美国啊。
:【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
:发信人: beijingren (to thine own self be true), 信区: Military |
w*********a 发帖数: 9279 | 16 老外说的完全真确。
我也有同感。 很多很多中国码农就是这个样子。 |
n****4 发帖数: 12553 | 17 象码农这种低技术的工种,根本不需要知道低层的东西,知道也没用。改改码,能用就
行了。非要一行行看,属于缘木求仙,说这话的老外就是民科
【在 w*********a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 老外说的完全真确。 : 我也有同感。 很多很多中国码农就是这个样子。
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r****z 发帖数: 12020 | 18 很久以前,一个曾经在韩国美军基地服役过的朋友告诉我,他们都知道中国人 reverse
engineering 很厉害,如果战场上武器装备被共军共军缴获,马上就能被复制出来。
那么我想,reverse engineering 的先进技术,至少我们是领先的吧。
no
【在 n****4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 象码农这种低技术的工种,根本不需要知道低层的东西,知道也没用。改改码,能用就 : 行了。非要一行行看,属于缘木求仙,说这话的老外就是民科
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w*********a 发帖数: 9279 | 19 这样的code不能重用。 很快就改不下去了。来个新项目救得重新来。
这样的人我以前接触过,后来都被辞退了。
【在 n****4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 象码农这种低技术的工种,根本不需要知道低层的东西,知道也没用。改改码,能用就 : 行了。非要一行行看,属于缘木求仙,说这话的老外就是民科
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H********g 发帖数: 43926 | 20 但是本版的同学都不是这个样子的
基本上就是肉人和器人的区别
【在 w*********a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 老外说的完全真确。 : 我也有同感。 很多很多中国码农就是这个样子。
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 21 老美中这种sb挺多的,他们也就最吃3哥那套ppt了,那些都是underlying bullshit么
no
【在 n****4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 象码农这种低技术的工种,根本不需要知道低层的东西,知道也没用。改改码,能用就 : 行了。非要一行行看,属于缘木求仙,说这话的老外就是民科
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 22 老美三哥里的废材最喜欢重写了,说到底就是看不懂别人的code,写码的基础太差
【在 w*********a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这样的code不能重用。 很快就改不下去了。来个新项目救得重新来。 : 这样的人我以前接触过,后来都被辞退了。
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a*****4 发帖数: 3081 | 23 老美工程师确实有不错的。烂的废材也是一大堆。再过20年自己人也不知道当初为啥设
计成那个样。 |
g*c 发帖数: 4510 | 24 I see two losers.
no
【在 n****4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 象码农这种低技术的工种,根本不需要知道低层的东西,知道也没用。改改码,能用就 : 行了。非要一行行看,属于缘木求仙,说这话的老外就是民科
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r*******r 发帖数: 2565 | 25 搞笑,这种言论其实就是人云亦云,老美媒体成天黑中国,总说中国人没有创意,所以
这种傻逼也自以为是,我们公司里马工哪里有几个人能自己写出framework的,又不是
google,全公司过去20年写过最简单的framework的就两个,一个就是老中,还比那个
老美写的好多了去了。最后用了几年都换了industry standard的。
做个马工哪里有必要需要懂底层的东西,都是网上找找sample code抄抄就够用了,但
就是这个抄抄的本事,99%的老美也不会,还笑话老中?傻逼loser而已。
现在要说自己创意,其实AI里面的大牛,现在就是stanford的李菲菲,然后百度也有自
己的framework,好像叫什么paddle,但是老美肯定是竭尽全力要压制老中的,所以要
想看到老中在底层dominant,必须是国内的公司在市场占有率上先超过FLAG这些公司才
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K*******c 发帖数: 31 | 26 两个评论就可以代表美国人了!!!
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【在 n****4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 象码农这种低技术的工种,根本不需要知道低层的东西,知道也没用。改改码,能用就 : 行了。非要一行行看,属于缘木求仙,说这话的老外就是民科
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