i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 1 When should one take the patent bar?
Some people told me as soon as possible, some said doesn't matter, and the
others suggested to do it after law school.
When would be the best time to take it? and what are the pros and cons?
Thanks! |
w*********n
发帖数: 331 | 2 The best timing is before law school, because law school is a lot of stress
and you don't want to add the stress of studying for the bar to it.
However, F1 students are not eligible for the patent bar, and they have to
wait until the start of H1B. |
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 3 Thanks!
How long does it take to prepare the patent bar?
Got things piled up for the next year. Patent bar, LSAT, application...
I have to pray for my H1b first...
stress
【在 w*********n 的大作中提到】
: The best timing is before law school, because law school is a lot of stress
: and you don't want to add the stress of studying for the bar to it.
: However, F1 students are not eligible for the patent bar, and they have to
: wait until the start of H1B.
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t******r
发帖数: 71 | 4 So how about this "dream plan" of mine as a current science/engineering PhD
student:
LSAT -> techinical specialist @ law firm -> patent bar -> patent agent ->
law school -> bar exams -> patent lawyer
I have family concerns and am planning a first child maybe next year, which
is why I don't want to hurry into a law school. How long estimately does it
take to go through the procedure above? What should I know about the timing?
Considering GC, how does it fit into the picture? (Although I have a so
【在 w*********n 的大作中提到】
: The best timing is before law school, because law school is a lot of stress
: and you don't want to add the stress of studying for the bar to it.
: However, F1 students are not eligible for the patent bar, and they have to
: wait until the start of H1B.
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 5 mm你还有一年才毕业，现在就有这么清晰的计划，真有远见！
PhD
which
it
timing?
【在 t******r 的大作中提到】
: So how about this "dream plan" of mine as a current science/engineering PhD
: student:
: LSAT -> techinical specialist @ law firm -> patent bar -> patent agent ->
: law school -> bar exams -> patent lawyer
: I have family concerns and am planning a first child maybe next year, which
: is why I don't want to hurry into a law school. How long estimately does it
: take to go through the procedure above? What should I know about the timing?
: Considering GC, how does it fit into the picture? (Although I have a so
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t******r
发帖数: 71 | 6 我这不是无产阶级的空想嘛
其实我可能今年年底之前就要毕业了
所以现在就要开始考虑找工作了啊
你都已经有offer了，我就等着看你的经验呢
你H1B申请了没有？还是打算就用OPT？
什么时候开始上班？
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: mm你还有一年才毕业，现在就有这么清晰的计划，真有远见！
:
: PhD
: which
: it
: timing?
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o****e
发帖数: 195 | 7 As a rule of thumb, any of these hurdles, the earlier you take care of them,
the better off you will be later on. This is because your time will be
progressively worth more money, and anything that could divert you from
generating income will be more costly.
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: When should one take the patent bar?
: Some people told me as soon as possible, some said doesn't matter, and the
: others suggested to do it after law school.
: When would be the best time to take it? and what are the pros and cons?
: Thanks!
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 8 This is very helpful rule! Thanks, otheme.
Got to prepare to work hard in next few years and become a degree and bar
collector. :)
It's so good to be young though and I started to envy younger people.
them,
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: As a rule of thumb, any of these hurdles, the earlier you take care of them,
: the better off you will be later on. This is because your time will be
: progressively worth more money, and anything that could divert you from
: generating income will be more costly.
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 9 mm原来你找我当炮灰啊，嘻嘻
老板以前赶我毕业，现在又不让我毕业了，生活真是无法预料。
mm你再快点也许可以去给我当炮灰啦
【在 t******r 的大作中提到】
: 我这不是无产阶级的空想嘛
: 其实我可能今年年底之前就要毕业了
: 所以现在就要开始考虑找工作了啊
: 你都已经有offer了，我就等着看你的经验呢
: 你H1B申请了没有？还是打算就用OPT？
: 什么时候开始上班？
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k******g
发帖数: 18 | 10 hhah, LZ是啥专业呀!我鼓劝我读EE的朋友进入这一行，可他们要么只对FINANCE感兴趣
，要么只感兴趣本专业。对专利这一行，没有啥兴趣。不过我不劝我读BIOLOGY的朋友
，因为这方面的市场没法跟EE比。
BTW，我已经修完了我们学校所有专利的课，所以不是凭空说话。
祝好运 |
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 11 I'm majored in EE/BME
thanks for your encouraging words!
By the way, why do you recommend EE to come into law?
【在 k******g 的大作中提到】
: hhah, LZ是啥专业呀!我鼓劝我读EE的朋友进入这一行，可他们要么只对FINANCE感兴趣
: ，要么只感兴趣本专业。对专利这一行，没有啥兴趣。不过我不劝我读BIOLOGY的朋友
: ，因为这方面的市场没法跟EE比。
: BTW，我已经修完了我们学校所有专利的课，所以不是凭空说话。
: 祝好运
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k******g
发帖数: 18 | 12 供求关系呀!我是学BIZ，所以喜欢用这个看问题。
BTW，好久没有看到本版元老PINKMARTINI了，不知道她是否还在美国做这一行。 |
b*d
发帖数: 161 | 13 那是因为EE转Finance也很容易啊，而且拿钱又多:) |
o****e
发帖数: 195 | 14 Kouzhong, you nailed it -- it's simply supply and demand.
I have been trying to persuade my EE friends to switch track for the past 4
years, and so far only one converted. It doesn't matter what they switch to
, finance or law, engineering as a long term career is just a dead end.
Most EEs who are not willing to switch are not doing finance either, they
are just doing EE.
The bottom line: there is a high demand for EEs right now, and as long as
people can find jobs they are comfortable with, |
o****e
发帖数: 195 | 15 Kouzhong, you nailed it -- it's simply supply and demand.
I have been trying to persuade my EE friends to switch track for the past 4
years, and so far only one converted. It doesn't matter what they switch to
, finance or law, engineering as a long term career is just a dead end.
Most EEs who are not willing to switch are not doing finance either, they
are just doing EE.
The bottom line: there is a high demand for EEs right now, and as long as
people can find jobs they are comfortable with, |
m*******6
发帖数: 43 | 16 We are in the same boat. I am in EE/BME too. Got my Ph.D. last year and
bored by my current engineer position.
I just had an interviewed with a patent firm last Friday. People are nice
and easy to talk to. Hopefully I will hear form them soon. |
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 17 good luck!
Are you looking for patent agent position? or simply tech spec?
【在 m*******6 的大作中提到】
: We are in the same boat. I am in EE/BME too. Got my Ph.D. last year and
: bored by my current engineer position.
: I just had an interviewed with a patent firm last Friday. People are nice
: and easy to talk to. Hopefully I will hear form them soon.
|
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 18 really? I don't know too much about finance, but I think the future of EE as
an Engineer is capped. Ppl switch to finance has to invest (get a degree or
learn finance by themselves) before they get out to find a job. I don't
think EE ppl can switch to finance as they are. But seems you can invest
after you get a job in law and that sounds to me much less risky. I don't
know about the future of a law career compared to finance though.
As for an EE technical job, yes, Phd should get a well-paid jo |
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 19 very interesting comments and conclusions! Thanks for sharing!
I think only software oriented EE students who deal with algorithms can
possibly get into finance. If one works on hardware(experiments), an EE
background doesn't help. Competition in quant jobs is high nowadays since
probably all hard science/engineering Phd see this option. Only Ivy league
PhDs can possibly get a job without additional degree, others need to invest
in MFE. For some reasons, I'm just scared by the quant job, since i |
k******g
发帖数: 18 | 20 totally agree, haha, your neohawkeye discloses your DI, xix :)
But you may forget the other side, patent attorney with EE background can
join a startup company. Once the company goes public, then the guy will be
really rich!! |
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 21 Is that true? I think that is very exciting opportunity.
One firm on the west coast asked me to join their IP porfolio evaluation
force for venture capitalists. That sounds very close to start-ups.
【在 k******g 的大作中提到】
: totally agree, haha, your neohawkeye discloses your DI, xix :)
: But you may forget the other side, patent attorney with EE background can
: join a startup company. Once the company goes public, then the guy will be
: really rich!!
|
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 22 I think the two cents you shared are very helpful, at least to me.
Switching to law is a big decision, and I have been wondering for a while.
Not many EE people come to the law field, but seems the law firms are
desperately looking for EE backgrounds. That really confuses me. I'm trying
to figure out which is the chicken and which is the egg.
My answer of joining a law firm surprised all my friends around and they
kept asking me why. I think for most EE people, law is not on the list and
it's an |
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 23 it's interesting that i never see such discussions on quant or EE boards.
might
friend
diffe
ex |
t******r
发帖数: 71 | 24 //妒嫉
偶是MSE，怎么办哪？5555
上次给monster上一个招EE ts的广告投了份简历，竟然石沉大海，伤自尊了~~
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: I'm majored in EE/BME
: thanks for your encouraging words!
: By the way, why do you recommend EE to come into law?
|
t******r
发帖数: 71 | 25 哈哈……ironny不会后悔吧？
quant
of
atto
t |
t******r
发帖数: 71 | 26 多谢老大给的包子
但是没有高人comment啊
//cry
PhD
which
it
timing?
【在 t******r 的大作中提到】
: So how about this "dream plan" of mine as a current science/engineering PhD
: student:
: LSAT -> techinical specialist @ law firm -> patent bar -> patent agent ->
: law school -> bar exams -> patent lawyer
: I have family concerns and am planning a first child maybe next year, which
: is why I don't want to hurry into a law school. How long estimately does it
: take to go through the procedure above? What should I know about the timing?
: Considering GC, how does it fit into the picture? (Although I have a so
|
t******r
发帖数: 71 | 27 because they never think of joining a law firm.
a lot of engineering guys are more comfortable with programming or
mathematics than with legal writings.
and it is true that to achieve the similar level of income the investment
for quant is much less than for patent attorney.
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: it's interesting that i never see such discussions on quant or EE boards.
:
: might
: friend
: diffe
: ex
|
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 28 mm, I think your plan is good. and you already get ahead of a lot
competitors
【在 t******r 的大作中提到】
: 多谢老大给的包子
: 但是没有高人comment啊
: //cry
:
: PhD
: which
: it
: timing?
|
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 29 Everyone has his/her own niche.
Comparison of different industries is interesting and helpful. The
superstsrs in all industries could acheive quite impressive success, but it
never means that a particular individual is garanteed to succeed if he
takes that path. Opportunites are only potentials. They are not yours until
you get them.
understanding the potentials can help one make a good decision though.
That's my general philosophy of job hunting. :)
【在 t******r 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈……ironny不会后悔吧？
:
: quant
: of
: atto
: t
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t******r
发帖数: 71 | 30 haha, it's not only for money ... anyway, i am sick of lab work already.
it
until
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: Everyone has his/her own niche.
: Comparison of different industries is interesting and helpful. The
: superstsrs in all industries could acheive quite impressive success, but it
: never means that a particular individual is garanteed to succeed if he
: takes that path. Opportunites are only potentials. They are not yours until
: you get them.
: understanding the potentials can help one make a good decision though.
: That's my general philosophy of job hunting. :)
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m*******6
发帖数: 43 | 31 No offence, just personal opinion. I doubt what you said about patent
attorney, altough I am not sure about how bruttal a quant position is. As
for patent practise, there are two types of patent related position - patent
prosecution and patent litigation.
A person with technical background will most likely become an attorney in
patent prosecution, which only involves drafting patent applications,
responding office actions, and consoling clients. And most patent attorneys
in patent prosecution ac |
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 32 patterson & sheridan NJ office?
patent
attorneys
know
【在 m*******6 的大作中提到】
: No offence, just personal opinion. I doubt what you said about patent
: attorney, altough I am not sure about how bruttal a quant position is. As
: for patent practise, there are two types of patent related position - patent
: prosecution and patent litigation.
: A person with technical background will most likely become an attorney in
: patent prosecution, which only involves drafting patent applications,
: responding office actions, and consoling clients. And most patent attorneys
: in patent prosecution ac
|
m*******6
发帖数: 43 | 33 Na, a small firm in PA.
Ironny, did you have any legal experience before?
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: patterson & sheridan NJ office?
:
: patent
: attorneys
: know
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m*******6
发帖数: 43 | 34 Regarding the amount of work time, I suspect that a patent attorney's life
is probably more enjoyable than a person working for a company around Bay
Area and Silicon Valley. I know that some ppl working for those companies
have to constantly work over time, even on weekend. And it is generally true
that, in the US, the amount of money you make is proportional to the amount
of time you have to spend at work. Good examples are lawyers, doctors, and
excutives. Come back to the question, someone cho |
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 35 no...
would that make my life very tough?
【在 m*******6 的大作中提到】
: Na, a small firm in PA.
: Ironny, did you have any legal experience before?
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w*********n
发帖数: 331 | 36 There will be fewer options for PT students upon graduation. Unless you
continue to work in IP, nobody is going to hire you as a third year
associate. If you want to switch to other areas (or even from prosecution to
litigation), your school name matters a lot more than your experience. Most
PT programs are not as well regarded as FT programs of the same school and
there are fewer prestiguous PT programs to start with.
A guy I knew from work went to Georgetown PT. He worked in an IP boutique
for |
m*******6
发帖数: 43 | 37 I agree. That is why I don't opt for PT law school.
to
Most
and
do
【在 w*********n 的大作中提到】
: There will be fewer options for PT students upon graduation. Unless you
: continue to work in IP, nobody is going to hire you as a third year
: associate. If you want to switch to other areas (or even from prosecution to
: litigation), your school name matters a lot more than your experience. Most
: PT programs are not as well regarded as FT programs of the same school and
: there are fewer prestiguous PT programs to start with.
: A guy I knew from work went to Georgetown PT. He worked in an IP boutique
: for
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