m*********n
发帖数: 48 | 1 是不是最后都去做IP stuff？收入有多少啊？ |
a**v
发帖数: 406 | 2 1st Year $160,000
2nd Year $170,000
3rd Year $175,000
4th Year $190,000
5th Year $215,000
6th Year $235,000
7th Year $255,000
partner over $500,000 |
c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 3 Yes, in the best scenario
【在 a**v 的大作中提到】
: 1st Year $160,000
: 2nd Year $170,000
: 3rd Year $175,000
: 4th Year $190,000
: 5th Year $215,000
: 6th Year $235,000
: 7th Year $255,000
: partner over $500,000
|
s******e
发帖数: 213 | 4 It is the salary for fresh JD without PhD, if you find a job in a big law
firm.
【在 a**v 的大作中提到】
: 1st Year $160,000
: 2nd Year $170,000
: 3rd Year $175,000
: 4th Year $190,000
: 5th Year $215,000
: 6th Year $235,000
: 7th Year $255,000
: partner over $500,000
|
F**********s
发帖数: 54 | |
h*****r
发帖数: 34 | 6 同样职位上，薪水和有没有phd有关联吗
【在 s******e 的大作中提到】
: It is the salary for fresh JD without PhD, if you find a job in a big law
: firm.
|
a**v
发帖数: 406 | 7 That's the salary in Fish and Richardson, the largest IP law firm in the
world. You need to have a PhD degree to get in. |
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 8 It's just public information that everyone can obtain online.
【在 F**********s 的大作中提到】
: 你是负责发工资的？说的有板有眼的，切~~
|
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 9 At some firms, yes, you are paid more for your PhD degree.
【在 h*****r 的大作中提到】
: 同样职位上，薪水和有没有phd有关联吗
|
s******e
发帖数: 213 | 10 "切~~", please be adult.
I have a friend who graduated from a law school in NYC this summer.
This is what I heard of from her. She actually told me that now the start
salary for JD without PhD in NYC is 170K/year.
【在 F**********s 的大作中提到】
: 你是负责发工资的？说的有板有眼的，切~~
|
|
|
I*****y
发帖数: 6402 | 11 哈哈，薪水还是很诱人的
【在 a**v 的大作中提到】
: 1st Year $160,000
: 2nd Year $170,000
: 3rd Year $175,000
: 4th Year $190,000
: 5th Year $215,000
: 6th Year $235,000
: 7th Year $255,000
: partner over $500,000
|
h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 12 都是血汗钱，hourly pay并不高
【在 I*****y 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，薪水还是很诱人的
|
I*****y
发帖数: 6402 | 13 如果一周工作40小时的话，每年能拿160K，那hourly pay也不少了吧？每小时大概也有
100刀了？算的对吗？
当然大家都是赚的辛苦钱，雇主不会白给你钱
【在 h*******i 的大作中提到】
: 都是血汗钱，hourly pay并不高
|
h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 14 怎么可能一周40小时呢
【在 I*****y 的大作中提到】
: 如果一周工作40小时的话，每年能拿160K，那hourly pay也不少了吧？每小时大概也有
: 100刀了？算的对吗？
: 当然大家都是赚的辛苦钱，雇主不会白给你钱
|
I*****y
发帖数: 6402 | 15 那一般每周工作多长时间呢？60？
【在 h*******i 的大作中提到】
: 怎么可能一周40小时呢
|
s******e
发帖数: 213 | 16 At least.
【在 I*****y 的大作中提到】
: 那一般每周工作多长时间呢？60？
|
a******l
发帖数: 5 | 17 80小时还差不多
【在 s******e 的大作中提到】
: At least.
|
I*****y
发帖数: 6402 | 18 这个有点太多了吧，不过考虑到pay，也可以忍受？呵呵
【在 a******l 的大作中提到】
: 80小时还差不多
|
a******l
发帖数: 5 | 19 累得昏天黑地的
【在 I*****y 的大作中提到】
: 这个有点太多了吧，不过考虑到pay，也可以忍受？呵呵
|
h*****r
发帖数: 34 | 20 80... spread out on workdays or simply no weekends?
【在 a******l 的大作中提到】
: 80小时还差不多
|
|
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l**t
发帖数: 38 | 21 If you work 80-hour week, at least one day of your weekend must be
sacrificed.
Then again, advancing in a law firm is all about sacrifices.
【在 h*****r 的大作中提到】
: 80... spread out on workdays or simply no weekends?
|
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 22 同学们，在这里叫唤的自己在law firm工作的有几个？
不要有根据没根据的猜测，然后三人成虎，把自己吓死。
【在 a******l 的大作中提到】
: 80小时还差不多
|
I*****y
发帖数: 6402 | 23 声明：我还没考过LSAT
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: 同学们，在这里叫唤的自己在law firm工作的有几个？
: 不要有根据没根据的猜测，然后三人成虎，把自己吓死。
|
h*****r
发帖数: 34 | 24 that is tough...
Does the time you work every week depend on the workload, or do you just
have to be working for that much time no matter what?
【在 l**t 的大作中提到】
: If you work 80-hour week, at least one day of your weekend must be
: sacrificed.
: Then again, advancing in a law firm is all about sacrifices.
|
h*****r
发帖数: 34 | 25 sounds like people are telling their own experience..
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: 同学们，在这里叫唤的自己在law firm工作的有几个？
: 不要有根据没根据的猜测，然后三人成虎，把自己吓死。
|
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 26 那赶紧考去，别老在bbs上逛。
【在 I*****y 的大作中提到】
: 声明：我还没考过LSAT
|
h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 27 Patent prosecution firm是特例
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: 同学们，在这里叫唤的自己在law firm工作的有几个？
: 不要有根据没根据的猜测，然后三人成虎，把自己吓死。
|
j*******g
发帖数: 188 | 28 80-hour working week does not happen a lot but you should expect 55-65 hours
per week at most NYC firms though. For other markets the hours might be
less. |
r********e
发帖数: 86 | 29 don't worry too much. the transactional side has been really slow. many
associates haven't had any meaningful billables for a while. feel lucky if
you can actually bill 50 hours a week. |
j*******g
发帖数: 188 | 30 I think you meant work 50 hours rather than bill 50 hours.
Because later is very hard to achieve nowadays, for the reason you just
mentioned.
if
【在 r********e 的大作中提到】
: don't worry too much. the transactional side has been really slow. many
: associates haven't had any meaningful billables for a while. feel lucky if
: you can actually bill 50 hours a week.
|
|
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a**v
发帖数: 406 | 31 anybody is a lawyer in this discussion?
Attorney does not get paid by week, they get paid by billing hours |
p*****t
发帖数: 111 | |
d********2
发帖数: 44 | 33 A over-simplied example from one working at a firm:
An associate's billing rate is $200/hour (the amount will charge a client)
An assignment normally will cost a client $2K (usually set for transaction work, such as patent prosecution)
The associate worked 20 hours to finish the assignment; however, he/she can only bill 10 hours to the client. The associate must eat the other 10 hours himself/herself. Sometime, the client may even contest the billing, and the firm may agree to reduce by 10 to |
a**d
发帖数: 31 | 34
Some data points re: hours at biglaw firms -
http://www.averyindex.com/2007_longest_hours.php
http://www.averyindex.com/2007_shortest_hours.php
Of course actual work hours vary depending on your practice area, firm
location, and the overall market condition. Generally speaking, patent
prosecution has relatively stable and manageable hours, while corporate,
especially M&A in places like NYC and Hongkong, could have huge ups and
downs. When projects are busy, it is not uncommon to bill 300 hour
【在 I*****y 的大作中提到】
: 那一般每周工作多长时间呢？60？
|
F**********s
发帖数: 54 | 35 spinlake, you should act like an adult, not me~~
I just hate it when i see ppl bullshit without firsthand information. I feel
obligated to correct a few things. i dont' want you guys to mislead others.
1. Few law firms would pay a JD fresh out of school a six figure salary. If
you can get a job with a top law firm in metropolitan areas, that might
change the story. IP firms tend to pay much more, but 170K for a first year
associate is not something you should count on. I'm not saying it's not
po |
a**v
发帖数: 406 | 36 This post is totally wrong!
1. Most first year associates get paid more than six figures.
This is public records. Just go to http://www.infirmation.com/shared/insider/payscale.tcl
to check out salary in all law firms.
2. Law firm are not labs. But if you are doing patent prosecution, a PhD
degree is definitelt required. Patent prosecution is like writing a
scientific paper. You can not do it if you do not have a advanced degree.
Besides, if you do not have an advanced scientific degree,
【在 F**********s 的大作中提到】
: spinlake, you should act like an adult, not me~~
: I just hate it when i see ppl bullshit without firsthand information. I feel
: obligated to correct a few things. i dont' want you guys to mislead others.
: 1. Few law firms would pay a JD fresh out of school a six figure salary. If
: you can get a job with a top law firm in metropolitan areas, that might
: change the story. IP firms tend to pay much more, but 170K for a first year
: associate is not something you should count on. I'm not saying it's not
: po
|
c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 37 80-hour weeks are rare at my firm, but common at some other firms. Hours
tend to be worst in NYC, too.
【在 h*****r 的大作中提到】
: that is tough...
: Does the time you work every week depend on the workload, or do you just
: have to be working for that much time no matter what?
|
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 38 你是在IP firm工作吗？为什么你说的和我的感觉很不一样啊？
feel
others.
If
year
【在 F**********s 的大作中提到】
: spinlake, you should act like an adult, not me~~
: I just hate it when i see ppl bullshit without firsthand information. I feel
: obligated to correct a few things. i dont' want you guys to mislead others.
: 1. Few law firms would pay a JD fresh out of school a six figure salary. If
: you can get a job with a top law firm in metropolitan areas, that might
: change the story. IP firms tend to pay much more, but 170K for a first year
: associate is not something you should count on. I'm not saying it's not
: po
|
D**********s
发帖数: 320 | 39 So you are not doing corporate?
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: 80-hour weeks are rare at my firm, but common at some other firms. Hours
: tend to be worst in NYC, too.
|
D**********s
发帖数: 320 | 40 Partners get paid a lot these days. I know a partner who can get 600k per
year in retirement.
feel
others.
If
year
【在 F**********s 的大作中提到】
: spinlake, you should act like an adult, not me~~
: I just hate it when i see ppl bullshit without firsthand information. I feel
: obligated to correct a few things. i dont' want you guys to mislead others.
: 1. Few law firms would pay a JD fresh out of school a six figure salary. If
: you can get a job with a top law firm in metropolitan areas, that might
: change the story. IP firms tend to pay much more, but 170K for a first year
: associate is not something you should count on. I'm not saying it's not
: po
|
|
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F**********s
发帖数: 54 | 41 atlv, it's funny that you are still daydreaming. According to The Princeton
Review, which is a reliable resource, the Average Starting Salary of Harvard
Law School graduates is $126,801. Keep in mind how marketable Harvard Grads
are, and even so, the new Harvard grads don't make much more than 100k. You
can imagine how the salary of a JD from an average law school would be like
. Indeed, the national average starting salary a few years ago was below $
60k and i believe it's still below $60K toda |
D**********s
发帖数: 320 | 42 You do know that many Harvard graduates get into public interest or clerk
for judges right after they graduate. Those jobs don't get paid well, but
they are highly desirable for Harvard and Yale students. Harvard has an
excellent loan repayment program that allows its students to do public
interest work.
The average salary of UChicago or UMich is higher than Harvard's precisely
because not many students there are interested in public interest or
clerkship.
Princeton
Harvard
Grads
You
like
liste
【在 F**********s 的大作中提到】
: atlv, it's funny that you are still daydreaming. According to The Princeton
: Review, which is a reliable resource, the Average Starting Salary of Harvard
: Law School graduates is $126,801. Keep in mind how marketable Harvard Grads
: are, and even so, the new Harvard grads don't make much more than 100k. You
: can imagine how the salary of a JD from an average law school would be like
: . Indeed, the national average starting salary a few years ago was below $
: 60k and i believe it's still below $60K toda
|
a**d
发帖数: 31 | 43 I recommend this study to you: http://www.elsblog.org/the_empirical_legal_studi/2008/07/how-the-cravath.html
You will see that salaries in the legal profession follow a bi-modal
distribution. There are nearly as many 6-figure salary earning law grads as
"poor" law grads. Citing a low average salary as you did does not tell the
whole story. For reasonably diligent people who manage to get into a top-
tier law school and don't mind the hours and culture of biglaw, earning 160k
market salary is no
【在 F**********s 的大作中提到】
: atlv, it's funny that you are still daydreaming. According to The Princeton
: Review, which is a reliable resource, the Average Starting Salary of Harvard
: Law School graduates is $126,801. Keep in mind how marketable Harvard Grads
: are, and even so, the new Harvard grads don't make much more than 100k. You
: can imagine how the salary of a JD from an average law school would be like
: . Indeed, the national average starting salary a few years ago was below $
: 60k and i believe it's still below $60K toda
|
F**********s
发帖数: 54 | 44 I just hate to see ppl assume things. Why do you bet most of the posters
here focus exclusively on biglaw? geez~~! How many of you ppl out there are
currently working for a big law firm, think you possess the qualifications
and credentials that are good enough to secure a position with a big firm,
or believe you will be able to acquire such qualifications and credentials?
How many of you can give me an affirmative answer? I'm eager to know.
Since you ppl are really into this, I want to make a fe |
m******t
发帖数: 1694 | 45 fallen, are u a lawyer, or working in law related field?
are
?
First,
low
【在 F**********s 的大作中提到】
: I just hate to see ppl assume things. Why do you bet most of the posters
: here focus exclusively on biglaw? geez~~! How many of you ppl out there are
: currently working for a big law firm, think you possess the qualifications
: and credentials that are good enough to secure a position with a big firm,
: or believe you will be able to acquire such qualifications and credentials?
: How many of you can give me an affirmative answer? I'm eager to know.
: Since you ppl are really into this, I want to make a fe
|
I*****y
发帖数: 6402 | 46 "you ppl"这种词还是少说吧，我觉得你用这词的目的就是你把自己放在大多数人的对
立面
了。说话火药味不用这么浓吧？既然都是讨论问题，也不一定非要谁说服谁，弄得大家
最后都红着脸谁也不理谁回家吧
are
?
First,
low
【在 F**********s 的大作中提到】
: I just hate to see ppl assume things. Why do you bet most of the posters
: here focus exclusively on biglaw? geez~~! How many of you ppl out there are
: currently working for a big law firm, think you possess the qualifications
: and credentials that are good enough to secure a position with a big firm,
: or believe you will be able to acquire such qualifications and credentials?
: How many of you can give me an affirmative answer? I'm eager to know.
: Since you ppl are really into this, I want to make a fe
|
j*******g
发帖数: 188 | 47 没有证据支持你的观点，这种可是得不到高分
随便找了一家著名的IP Firm-Fish & Richardson (160K起薪）
第一例，一个TTT法学院毕业的
Beijing University B.S. Chemistry 1996
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Ph.D. Chemistry 2001
Suffolk University Law School J.D. 2007
第二例，一个FTT毕业的
Harbin Institute of Technology, China, B.E. Applied Chemistry 1987
Nankai University, China, M.S. Organic Chemistry 1990
New York University Ph.D. Organic Chemistry 2000
New England School of Law J.D. 2006
第三例，还是FTT毕业的
Tsinghua University B.E. Materials Engineering 1992
Ts |
h*****r
发帖数: 34 | 48 这个是普遍现象吗？好奇的说
我觉得FallenEmbers 是说这个行业总体没有那么乐观把
【在 j*******g 的大作中提到】
: 没有证据支持你的观点，这种可是得不到高分
: 随便找了一家著名的IP Firm-Fish & Richardson (160K起薪）
: 第一例，一个TTT法学院毕业的
: Beijing University B.S. Chemistry 1996
: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Ph.D. Chemistry 2001
: Suffolk University Law School J.D. 2007
: 第二例，一个FTT毕业的
: Harbin Institute of Technology, China, B.E. Applied Chemistry 1987
: Nankai University, China, M.S. Organic Chemistry 1990
: New York University Ph.D. Organic Chemistry 2000
|
m******t
发帖数: 1694 | 49 这个这个......这几位的法学院也太烂了点吧...是不是原来就在fish and richardson
做tech specialist, 然后再去读law school的?
【在 j*******g 的大作中提到】
: 没有证据支持你的观点，这种可是得不到高分
: 随便找了一家著名的IP Firm-Fish & Richardson (160K起薪）
: 第一例，一个TTT法学院毕业的
: Beijing University B.S. Chemistry 1996
: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Ph.D. Chemistry 2001
: Suffolk University Law School J.D. 2007
: 第二例，一个FTT毕业的
: Harbin Institute of Technology, China, B.E. Applied Chemistry 1987
: Nankai University, China, M.S. Organic Chemistry 1990
: New York University Ph.D. Organic Chemistry 2000
|
S*******l
发帖数: 2747 | 50 显然
richardson
【在 m******t 的大作中提到】
: 这个这个......这几位的法学院也太烂了点吧...是不是原来就在fish and richardson
: 做tech specialist, 然后再去读law school的?
|
|
|
m******t
发帖数: 1694 | 51 那就没有代表性吧.....而且好象都是chemistry, 一样的情况apply to 其它工科么?
【在 S*******l 的大作中提到】
: 显然
:
: richardson
|
S*******l
发帖数: 2747 | 52 代表性的话应该去看几个top ip firm现在的patent agent是个什么水准
基本就是caltech，Stanford，berkley + ivy league
【在 m******t 的大作中提到】
: 那就没有代表性吧.....而且好象都是chemistry, 一样的情况apply to 其它工科么?
|
j*******g
发帖数: 188 | 53 谁也没说这是普遍现象，但是这几位如果没有PhD学位，如果不是做IP，很难想像他们
能进这种档次的律所
【在 h*****r 的大作中提到】
: 这个是普遍现象吗？好奇的说
: 我觉得FallenEmbers 是说这个行业总体没有那么乐观把
|
I*****y
发帖数: 6402 | 54 是说PHD和JD都是在Caltech, Stanford, berkley + ivy league拿的吗？ 那我就别瞎
努力了
【在 S*******l 的大作中提到】
: 代表性的话应该去看几个top ip firm现在的patent agent是个什么水准
: 基本就是caltech，Stanford，berkley + ivy league
|
c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 55 Patent agent. No JD ba?
【在 I*****y 的大作中提到】
: 是说PHD和JD都是在Caltech, Stanford, berkley + ivy league拿的吗？ 那我就别瞎
: 努力了
|
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 56 不能说全部，但应该说多数
【在 I*****y 的大作中提到】
: 是说PHD和JD都是在Caltech, Stanford, berkley + ivy league拿的吗？ 那我就别瞎
: 努力了
|
m******t
发帖数: 1694 | 57 so a Ph.D degree is a sufficient condition here, but not necessary? hehe
象他们这种多, 还是没有PH.D, 但是top 14出来, 然后进fish and richardson的多呢?
thx.
【在 j*******g 的大作中提到】
: 谁也没说这是普遍现象，但是这几位如果没有PhD学位，如果不是做IP，很难想像他们
: 能进这种档次的律所
|
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 58 总体上当然是后者
中国人（特指出生在中国的）似乎是前者多
举个例子，今年来的summer associate有只有两个中国人，都是十几岁来美国的，自然
是这边读的本科，列一下他们的credential吧
1，MIT本科，Caltech PHD，Yale law，技术背景化学
2，MIT本科，MIT PHD，NYU law，技术背景电子
另外还有和中国沾边有两位ABC，他们就没有PHD，一个是MS+Umich law，一个是BS+
Uppen law
很多时候，事情存在不可比性，采样太全面了反而对你没有太多指导意义，原因是因为
你本身很特别，没法和普遍现象比了。
呢?
【在 m******t 的大作中提到】
: so a Ph.D degree is a sufficient condition here, but not necessary? hehe
: 象他们这种多, 还是没有PH.D, 但是top 14出来, 然后进fish and richardson的多呢?
: thx.
|
m******t
发帖数: 1694 | 59 真牛. 老美的summer associate background也这么牛么?
你说的几个, 更加象老美一点.
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: 总体上当然是后者
: 中国人（特指出生在中国的）似乎是前者多
: 举个例子，今年来的summer associate有只有两个中国人，都是十几岁来美国的，自然
: 是这边读的本科，列一下他们的credential吧
: 1，MIT本科，Caltech PHD，Yale law，技术背景化学
: 2，MIT本科，MIT PHD，NYU law，技术背景电子
: 另外还有和中国沾边有两位ABC，他们就没有PHD，一个是MS+Umich law，一个是BS+
: Uppen law
: 很多时候，事情存在不可比性，采样太全面了反而对你没有太多指导意义，原因是因为
: 你本身很特别，没法和普遍现象比了。
|
h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 60 他们GPA如何呀，Finnegan是很好的所，不过Caltech/MIT PHD plus Yale/NYU的JD有点
夸张，当然可能现在经济不好工作难找,我还知道有NYU的JD在solo practice的移民所
作2L summer的
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: 总体上当然是后者
: 中国人（特指出生在中国的）似乎是前者多
: 举个例子，今年来的summer associate有只有两个中国人，都是十几岁来美国的，自然
: 是这边读的本科，列一下他们的credential吧
: 1，MIT本科，Caltech PHD，Yale law，技术背景化学
: 2，MIT本科，MIT PHD，NYU law，技术背景电子
: 另外还有和中国沾边有两位ABC，他们就没有PHD，一个是MS+Umich law，一个是BS+
: Uppen law
: 很多时候，事情存在不可比性，采样太全面了反而对你没有太多指导意义，原因是因为
: 你本身很特别，没法和普遍现象比了。
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S*******l
发帖数: 2747 | 61 不是不是
phd牛就行了
【在 I*****y 的大作中提到】
: 是说PHD和JD都是在Caltech, Stanford, berkley + ivy league拿的吗？ 那我就别瞎
: 努力了
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S*******l
发帖数: 2747 | 62 我认识一白哥们
norte dame本科，Cornell JD
为了老婆local找了个小律所，年薪6w，呵呵呵
这还是3年前的事
自然
因为
【在 h*******i 的大作中提到】
: 他们GPA如何呀，Finnegan是很好的所，不过Caltech/MIT PHD plus Yale/NYU的JD有点
: 夸张，当然可能现在经济不好工作难找,我还知道有NYU的JD在solo practice的移民所
: 作2L summer的
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 63 自己过得高兴就好
人有很多life，career是一个重要的life，还有其它的也不要忽视，family life，
sports life，hobby life，还有朋友什么的
【在 S*******l 的大作中提到】
: 我认识一白哥们
: norte dame本科，Cornell JD
: 为了老婆local找了个小律所，年薪6w，呵呵呵
: 这还是3年前的事
:
: 自然
: 因为
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S*******l
发帖数: 2747 | 64 aglee
干啥只要有热情都好办
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: 自己过得高兴就好
: 人有很多life，career是一个重要的life，还有其它的也不要忽视，family life，
: sports life，hobby life，还有朋友什么的
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r********e
发帖数: 86 | 65 大家说的都对,只是针对人群不同.中国学生读法律,只能针对高端市场.无它,只有大所
才有足够business到雇外国人做,大型客户的大案子,要成组的律师来做,外国junior律
师不需要跟客户直接打交道,在back office做paper work就好.国际相关业务,也一般找
大所做.外国律师的外国背景,很强的前个career的技能,都可以有帮助.而中小型所,跟
小客户打交道,做美国本土小型生意,不需要一个有口音外国人的特殊技能.
所以律师收入的disparity,对美国人适用.对大多数只寻找top律所工作的中国学生来说
,并没有多大意义,有意义只是高端工作情况.
当然很多非top法学院毕业的中国学生选择做移民或者solo,想来不在大多数人的最先考
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 66 呵呵，我问那个yale law的summer associate为什么来我们所，她说，同学都去
clerking了，我去不了啊
相比之下，中国人的法律发展面的确比美国人窄了一块，不过就像你说的我们特殊的背
景也成就了我们可能把握一些特殊的机遇。
【在 r********e 的大作中提到】
: 大家说的都对,只是针对人群不同.中国学生读法律,只能针对高端市场.无它,只有大所
: 才有足够business到雇外国人做,大型客户的大案子,要成组的律师来做,外国junior律
: 师不需要跟客户直接打交道,在back office做paper work就好.国际相关业务,也一般找
: 大所做.外国律师的外国背景,很强的前个career的技能,都可以有帮助.而中小型所,跟
: 小客户打交道,做美国本土小型生意,不需要一个有口音外国人的特殊技能.
: 所以律师收入的disparity,对美国人适用.对大多数只寻找top律所工作的中国学生来说
: ,并没有多大意义,有意义只是高端工作情况.
: 当然很多非top法学院毕业的中国学生选择做移民或者solo,想来不在大多数人的最先考
: 虑之列,所以暂不讨论.
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I*****y
发帖数: 6402 | 67 请问一般排名多少以前的才可以叫大所？
【在 r********e 的大作中提到】
: 大家说的都对,只是针对人群不同.中国学生读法律,只能针对高端市场.无它,只有大所
: 才有足够business到雇外国人做,大型客户的大案子,要成组的律师来做,外国junior律
: 师不需要跟客户直接打交道,在back office做paper work就好.国际相关业务,也一般找
: 大所做.外国律师的外国背景,很强的前个career的技能,都可以有帮助.而中小型所,跟
: 小客户打交道,做美国本土小型生意,不需要一个有口音外国人的特殊技能.
: 所以律师收入的disparity,对美国人适用.对大多数只寻找top律所工作的中国学生来说
: ,并没有多大意义,有意义只是高端工作情况.
: 当然很多非top法学院毕业的中国学生选择做移民或者solo,想来不在大多数人的最先考
: 虑之列,所以暂不讨论.
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r********e
发帖数: 86 | 68 depends. Vault 100 or AmLaw 200. for some people only top 10 count, others
top 30, 50, or 100, depending on their snobbish level. Some prestigious
local boutiques are well regarded as well.
【在 I*****y 的大作中提到】
: 请问一般排名多少以前的才可以叫大所？
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k********y
发帖数: 84 | 69 "depending on their snobbish level"
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I*****y
发帖数: 6402 | 70 Faegre & Benson LLP算什么级别的了？
others
【在 r********e 的大作中提到】
: depends. Vault 100 or AmLaw 200. for some people only top 10 count, others
: top 30, 50, or 100, depending on their snobbish level. Some prestigious
: local boutiques are well regarded as well.
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S*******l
发帖数: 2747 | 71 500个律师
挺好的了
prestigious
【在 I*****y 的大作中提到】
: Faegre & Benson LLP算什么级别的了？
:
: others
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a**d
发帖数: 31 | 72 Calm down. No need to get a heart attack over my post. I was only trying
to share with you some well-researched data which is relevant to the
subjects of your previous posts. Maybe I was assuming too much by thinking
that you would be reasonably open to new information.
I think people have problem with your initial statements because they are
too one-sided. Your first post on this thread attacks the credibility of
another post containing nothing but the market salary for biglaw. I see you
【在 F**********s 的大作中提到】
: I just hate to see ppl assume things. Why do you bet most of the posters
: here focus exclusively on biglaw? geez~~! How many of you ppl out there are
: currently working for a big law firm, think you possess the qualifications
: and credentials that are good enough to secure a position with a big firm,
: or believe you will be able to acquire such qualifications and credentials?
: How many of you can give me an affirmative answer? I'm eager to know.
: Since you ppl are really into this, I want to make a fe
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F**********s
发帖数: 54 | 73 看了abcd等诸位先生的发言，我深为自已的言论感到悔恨。我不该介绍law school毕业
生的事实上的总体情况，因为这里大家大都是精英，大都是牛B的人物，大都LSAT能考
170或者175以上，大都只瞄准一流的law School及牛B的大firm去，也大都有能力进得
去一流的law school和牛B的大firm。我对你们的景仰，正如滔滔江水，川流不息~~！
我诚恳的祝愿各位第一年associate就拿17万的梦圆！ |
m*********n
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l****e
发帖数: 63 | 75 FallenEmbers，快来看，这才是真正的“精英人士”
【在 m*********n 的大作中提到】
: 有点泄气，看样子law这行赚的不多啊
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