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I*******I
发帖数: 195
1
My application cycle was over so early. I think I will decide between
Berkeley and GW. GW offers 30k per year, Berkeley did not mention any money
but I don't expect a big one either due to my not so flamboyant LSAT score.
I have a Ph.D. in psychology. In the past two years I have been working for
Obama campaign as a junior political consultant. Moving forward, oh yeah! My
ultimate career goal would be working as a senior political consultant or
campaign manager for democratic politicians. Stephanie Cutter's career path
would be my dream career path, but that is only a dream.
I love sf city and would love staying here, but I also know in that case the
people I can work for world be severely limited compared with DC Plus GW
is in the heart of DC and offers substantial money. I think my question
would be how is Berkeley's placement in DC area in the line of political
work? I am actually going to visit Berkeley's career office next week.
I would be happy to hear some of your stories,if you are students or
alumni of GW or Berkeley, or if you know someone in that line of work from
Berkeley or GW. Thanks and Happy Holidays!
r***l
发帖数: 298
2
One nexus to job placement is that you need personal connections
with the offices of the adminsistration. And to that end, Berkeley would
not fare well. I also know that in DC area, GU/GW has a joint program for
public interest law. Perhaps Gtown is better choice for you.
To this end, I must note that, GW, as a well-known conservative and
republican law school, offered you a scholarship of some kind even though
your political affiliations and ambitions could not be more different from
those donors. Meanwhile, Gtown, a well-known liberal and democrat strong
hold, apparently offered you nothing.
This is so reminiscent of the election days. At Gtown, no one dares to
speak for Romney and yet no one can articulate why they should vote for
Obama. Yet I personally know at least two GW law students who talked about
the prospect of voting for Obama because they were afraid that Romney may
only favor the rich.
I hope you are intelligent enough to understand the hypocrisy here when you
actually see how wasteful and incompetent the Obama adminstration had been (
and presumably will remain to be).
I am not a big fan of Romney per se. But, to cure the wasteful spending at
DC, he is a far better executor than Obama, who, ironically would be a
better choice than himself four years ago, when he knew nothing and yet the
raving liberals labelled him as "change" over status quo.
BTW, if you truly speak for Chinese, Chinese American, or Asian American,
you should have a clear stand on AA. Yet, Kato, the liberal wing,
intentionally stayed away from the hearing on October 10. This means the
opinion will be, at best, pur curiram. Noteworthy is that, it was Chief
Justice Roberts, a moderate conversative, who single-handedly saved
Obamacare from being ruled as unconstitutional on its face. (This is not
over yet. Tea party or anyone with standing can still challenge the law as
unconstitutional as applied because O8 messed up big time.)
Why would you trust your future and your kids' future to the liberal wing on
SCTOUS?

money
for
My
path
the
GW

【在 I*******I 的大作中提到】
: My application cycle was over so early. I think I will decide between
: Berkeley and GW. GW offers 30k per year, Berkeley did not mention any money
: but I don't expect a big one either due to my not so flamboyant LSAT score.
: I have a Ph.D. in psychology. In the past two years I have been working for
: Obama campaign as a junior political consultant. Moving forward, oh yeah! My
: ultimate career goal would be working as a senior political consultant or
: campaign manager for democratic politicians. Stephanie Cutter's career path
: would be my dream career path, but that is only a dream.
: I love sf city and would love staying here, but I also know in that case the
: people I can work for world be severely limited compared with DC Plus GW

I*******I
发帖数: 195
3
"I hope you are intelligent enough to understand the hypocrisy here when you
actually see how wasteful and incompetent the Obama adminstration had been
(and presumably will remain to be)."
Don't insult other people's intelligence when in fact you are the one being
stupid. I like majority people in this election live in a real world not
some alternative reality. Do you all extreme right wing people only live in
the fake bubble just can't handle the truth? Or is it the truth just too
painful for you guys to swallow?
Since Obama took office from probably the worst president ever, contrary to
what stupid right wing always claimed, our budget deficit is actually
decreasing.(See attached chart1)
Believe it or not, the federal deficit has fallen faster over the past
threeyears than it has in any such stretch since demobilization from World
War II.(see chart 2 and the link below)
http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/112012-634082-fede
One advice for you buddy: read something besides the eye candy of right-
wing propaganda and watch some news besides your beloved FOX. Facts are
facts, and the data speaks for itself. Of course, as an intelligent right
wing person, you probably will say data is fake and book is cooked. Then be
happy live in your imagined reality and throw unfounded accusations about
Obama administration.
According to these charts, I hope our president second term will be as "
wasteful" as his first term, or even better, more "wasteful"than his first
term. I actually have no interest turning my school application thread into
another heated political debate, but I just can't handle people being so
ignorant of facts.
Anyway I thank you for your kind background information about GW Law (if
that turns out to be true). Cheers!

【在 r***l 的大作中提到】
: One nexus to job placement is that you need personal connections
: with the offices of the adminsistration. And to that end, Berkeley would
: not fare well. I also know that in DC area, GU/GW has a joint program for
: public interest law. Perhaps Gtown is better choice for you.
: To this end, I must note that, GW, as a well-known conservative and
: republican law school, offered you a scholarship of some kind even though
: your political affiliations and ambitions could not be more different from
: those donors. Meanwhile, Gtown, a well-known liberal and democrat strong
: hold, apparently offered you nothing.
: This is so reminiscent of the election days. At Gtown, no one dares to

d*****i
发帖数: 43
4
Both of you write very good English.
b****i
发帖数: 102
5
肯定再等一下.今年是小年,LSAT median要比往年低的。

money
for
My
path
the
GW

【在 I*******I 的大作中提到】
: My application cycle was over so early. I think I will decide between
: Berkeley and GW. GW offers 30k per year, Berkeley did not mention any money
: but I don't expect a big one either due to my not so flamboyant LSAT score.
: I have a Ph.D. in psychology. In the past two years I have been working for
: Obama campaign as a junior political consultant. Moving forward, oh yeah! My
: ultimate career goal would be working as a senior political consultant or
: campaign manager for democratic politicians. Stephanie Cutter's career path
: would be my dream career path, but that is only a dream.
: I love sf city and would love staying here, but I also know in that case the
: people I can work for world be severely limited compared with DC Plus GW

r***l
发帖数: 298
6
1. Wait until you have learned the hearsay rules in Evidence before you
cite the charts again. They are qualified.
2. If you are serious about promoting the greatest good for the greatest
number of people in our Chinese communuity (and not just your own little
career path to become the next "Chinese" President or minister or big-fame
guy), we appreciate that you can help the CHinese and Asian communities on
the following issues from within the executive branch:
(a) choose not to defend AA, or in the alternative, repeal AA;
(b) issue Presidential directives to INS to repeal the per-country quota in
the Immigration Act (in the meantime, we will challenge the Act as
unconstitutional on its face, like we did to AA).
Unless these, and other Acts, have been repealed, your rhetorics amount to
nothing more than lip service.
If you may devote a sinlge measure of your campaign zeal towards the above
causes, I guarantee that you will be better remembered as a real political
figure when you die. It does not matter whether you label yourself as
liberal or conservative.
We look forward to your meaningful response to the above challenge.

you
been
being
in
to

【在 I*******I 的大作中提到】
: "I hope you are intelligent enough to understand the hypocrisy here when you
: actually see how wasteful and incompetent the Obama adminstration had been
: (and presumably will remain to be)."
: Don't insult other people's intelligence when in fact you are the one being
: stupid. I like majority people in this election live in a real world not
: some alternative reality. Do you all extreme right wing people only live in
: the fake bubble just can't handle the truth? Or is it the truth just too
: painful for you guys to swallow?
: Since Obama took office from probably the worst president ever, contrary to
: what stupid right wing always claimed, our budget deficit is actually

I*******I
发帖数: 195
7
Statistics of Labor Department is hearsay, charts from Office of Budget is
hearsay, Why I am not surprised? What is not your hearsay, fox news? Oh yeah
keep living in your fantasy lalaland while we are moving forward.
Who give you the right to proclaim these things about Chinese community?
Statistics? Data? Link? You acted just like Romeney proclaiming he is the
American candidate. Whatever going on in your little brain you think is good
for Chinese community might in fact not represent the interest of the whole
community at all. Last time I checked with official voting data(of course
hearsay in your eyes), about 70% Asian American voted for President Obama.
And why you keep bringing up AA? Did you ever see me defend AA somewhere?
Let me be clear with you on this issue, personally I think AA is a
historical problem and I especially dislike Sandra O'connor's majority
opinion on this issue, so if AA is overruled tomorrow I will have no problem
with it. But that is just my personal opinion, I would not go as far as to
proclaim AA is in the way of the interest of whole Chinese community until I
can see some hard data.

in

【在 r***l 的大作中提到】
: 1. Wait until you have learned the hearsay rules in Evidence before you
: cite the charts again. They are qualified.
: 2. If you are serious about promoting the greatest good for the greatest
: number of people in our Chinese communuity (and not just your own little
: career path to become the next "Chinese" President or minister or big-fame
: guy), we appreciate that you can help the CHinese and Asian communities on
: the following issues from within the executive branch:
: (a) choose not to defend AA, or in the alternative, repeal AA;
: (b) issue Presidential directives to INS to repeal the per-country quota in
: the Immigration Act (in the meantime, we will challenge the Act as

I*******I
发帖数: 195
8
thanks I am waiting, seat deposit is next year anyway.

【在 b****i 的大作中提到】
: 肯定再等一下.今年是小年,LSAT median要比往年低的。
:
: money
: for
: My
: path
: the
: GW

V*******y
发帖数: 19
9
Nah, they write pretty pretentious English.And both have pretty insufferable
personalities. I am glad I don't know them.

【在 d*****i 的大作中提到】
: Both of you write very good English.
O*****g
发帖数: 1257
10
Stay in SF, please.

money
for
My
path
the
GW

【在 I*******I 的大作中提到】
: My application cycle was over so early. I think I will decide between
: Berkeley and GW. GW offers 30k per year, Berkeley did not mention any money
: but I don't expect a big one either due to my not so flamboyant LSAT score.
: I have a Ph.D. in psychology. In the past two years I have been working for
: Obama campaign as a junior political consultant. Moving forward, oh yeah! My
: ultimate career goal would be working as a senior political consultant or
: campaign manager for democratic politicians. Stephanie Cutter's career path
: would be my dream career path, but that is only a dream.
: I love sf city and would love staying here, but I also know in that case the
: people I can work for world be severely limited compared with DC Plus GW

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D******D
发帖数: 1022
11
I actually don’t mind getting to know each one of them. Don’t let faceless
internet fool u, they could have pleasant personality in real life. And
political stuff is always a hot mess, no matter which side you are on. At
least they have guts to speak up what they stand for, unlike many Chinese
only knowing how to be good silent lamb. Anyway back to the school, I will
choose Berkeley any time any day, but I am biased (live in CA for so many
years) and I know nothing about politics.

insufferable

【在 V*******y 的大作中提到】
: Nah, they write pretty pretentious English.And both have pretty insufferable
: personalities. I am glad I don't know them.

m******t
发帖数: 1694
12
SF >>>>>>>>>>>> DC
just my 2 cents.

money
for
My
path
the
GW

【在 I*******I 的大作中提到】
: My application cycle was over so early. I think I will decide between
: Berkeley and GW. GW offers 30k per year, Berkeley did not mention any money
: but I don't expect a big one either due to my not so flamboyant LSAT score.
: I have a Ph.D. in psychology. In the past two years I have been working for
: Obama campaign as a junior political consultant. Moving forward, oh yeah! My
: ultimate career goal would be working as a senior political consultant or
: campaign manager for democratic politicians. Stephanie Cutter's career path
: would be my dream career path, but that is only a dream.
: I love sf city and would love staying here, but I also know in that case the
: people I can work for world be severely limited compared with DC Plus GW

L*********h
发帖数: 2617
13
in terms of living conditions for chinese immigrants, maybe.
but lz might care more about his career prospect. then dc is no brainer for
political law.

【在 m******t 的大作中提到】
: SF >>>>>>>>>>>> DC
: just my 2 cents.
:
: money
: for
: My
: path
: the
: GW

L***z
发帖数: 454
14
I really did not expect Chinese law graduates to understand the politics
here. Despite of all my readings prior to and at law school, I have no idea
what the real world is like until I started my own business. Doing business
and walking the streets in DC changed my whole perspective--only then did I
realize how corrupt, wasteful, inefficient and unfair a liberal government
can be. I don't like many of the republicans--but liberal movement as it
stands today is definitely leading this country to un-returnable perdition.
I do not feel my fellow schoolmates from China know any better than I did.
Resal, you surprised me.
I don't know that GW is more conservative than G-T. Of course, Federalist
Society is definitely the minority at GT--but I would expect most law
schools are like that?
r***l
发帖数: 298
15
As an IP practitioner in DC with a PhD and years of industrial experience
before my JD, I cannot agree with you any more. But again, maybe all
aspiring polititians want the free lunches, lavish parties, special sport
tickets, free trips to EU, all on our expense. To the best of my knowledge,
Michelle Obama is the first first lady to take Air Force One for her own EU
vacations. Not to mention, each and every time, the President and his
cronies take a trip, they cut off traffic in DC.
To make the point clear, the election is nothing more than a circus.
America has elected the wrong President for the fourth time since Bush v.
Gore. In a similar vein, the majority of Americans, through their electives
, authorized the invasion of Iraq for those purported WMDs and terror
connections. More interestingly, the liberal schools, including Berkeley,
has never organized a single protest against such a wasteful war. Have they
forgot how the led the rest of the country in the 60s to 70s against another
unjust war?
When I was in graduate school, my school was successful in uniting students
from all countries (including US) to protest the bombing of the Chinese
embassy in Yugoslavia. I was not the organizer and could not remember if I
actually participated in the demonstration. I was not into politics. Yet, I
remember getting a phone call from the FBI the next day.
What is wrong with the current generation of students? Has anyone of them
stood up, when they were still innocent, to declare that the Iraq war was as
much a lie as the Vietnam war?
Why are they craving for the liberal ideology? As to immigraion policy, the
Obama administraion acted more unfriendly towards tech immigrants (just look
up the SH*TTY dream act and the recent dem block of STEM GC). The
republican controlled house, recently issued a long over-due apology to
Chinese Americans for century old discrimination (when Chinese immigrants
without US citizenship fought for the US and died over the skies of Nazi
Germany, yet their families were not entitled to Federal assistance). For
decades, the Clinton Administraion, and dem-controlled chambers, when faced
with similar proposals, did nothing. As to healthcare, no one in this day
and age, when everyone wants a free something for nothing, would issue an
individual mandate to force people to buy state sponsored health insurance.
We endorse undversal healthcare, but no rational executor could enact
Obamacare through legislative expediency with such obvious constitutional
violations. As I said, the battle is not over yet. Obamacare could still
facing constitutional challenges. In fact, such suits are popping up if you
follow the development. If you watched how Obama's Solicitor reacted during
the hearing, you could not help wondering how did he get the job? I have
no confidence that they can promulgate the rules and regulations for another
4 years.
To be sure, none of us are hardcore republicans. Many of us would not even
bother to vote.
I am more amused at the postings.
(1) For every chart showing that the economy is improving, one could find
another char from another economist showing the contrary.
But, for the majority of working class Americans, with a mortgage to pay and
two mouths to feed, their economics did not improve under the Obama
administration;
(2) the guy does not seem to know the law, e.g., he does not know non-
hearsay use or hearsay exceptions, or court rules, or Executive directives
to agencies, etc.
(3) Why is it pretentious to challenge the per race quota under AA as
unconstitutional on its face? Why is it insufferable to try to challenge
the per country quota under the immmigration Act as unconstitutional on its
face for the same reason?
I play hockey with some officers under the Obama administration. They
teased me on the contrarian party affiliation I took on this election. And
yes, GW had a hard time collecting donations a few years back when Harry
Reid, a GW grad, became senate majority leader. For similar reasons, Gtown
alumi gerenally not happy with Scalia, who went to Gtown as an undergrad.
PM me if you wanna play hockey sometime. You are welcome to join us.


idea
business
I
.

【在 L***z 的大作中提到】
: I really did not expect Chinese law graduates to understand the politics
: here. Despite of all my readings prior to and at law school, I have no idea
: what the real world is like until I started my own business. Doing business
: and walking the streets in DC changed my whole perspective--only then did I
: realize how corrupt, wasteful, inefficient and unfair a liberal government
: can be. I don't like many of the republicans--but liberal movement as it
: stands today is definitely leading this country to un-returnable perdition.
: I do not feel my fellow schoolmates from China know any better than I did.
: Resal, you surprised me.
: I don't know that GW is more conservative than G-T. Of course, Federalist

L***z
发帖数: 454
16
Good post. Love to meet you sometime. However as a typical nerd, I cannot do
any fancy sport, such as golf or hockey. But I am a die hard tennis fan--
although got tennis elbow since 8 months ago, still managed to play once or
twice a week. Is that something you can do? Other than that, I run a lot and
read a lot--sometimes I wish I could be more of an extrovert and spend more
time meeting people than reading.
I*******I
发帖数: 195
17
"To the best of my knowledge, Michelle Obama is the first first lady to take
Air Force One for her own EU vacations. Not to mention, each and every time
, the President and his cronies take a trip, they cut off traffic in DC."
Dude pull the head out of your ass, so now you don't want to talk about the
debt, and you want to talk about the trips.
Just look at what yours truly conservative Bush did. He Spent 5 Times More
On Flights To Texas Than Obama‘s Christmas Vacation Costs. Not only did
Bush spend more days on vacation than any other president, but he used Air
Force One more often while on vacation than any other president. During Bush
’s two terms, the cost of operating Air Force One ranged from $56,800 to $
68,000 an hour. Bush used Air Force One 77 times to go to his ranch in
Crawford, TX. Using the low end cost of $56,800, Media Matters calculated
that each trip to Crawford cost taxpayers $259,687 each time, and $20
million total for Bush’s ranch flights.
http://www.politicususa.com/cost-obama-christmas-vacation-bush.
Lazy ass GOP controlled congress only worked 109 days this year.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/house-democrats-republ
Lazy ass GOP in senate are trying to block filibusters rule change in order
not to discuss and debate legislation don't fits crazy GOP agenda.
http://news.yahoo.com/dems-gop-fight-brewing-over-curbing-filib
So I guess you are just another typical stupid right wing person who likes
to attack other people without even looking at your own record. So one more
advice for you and extreme right wing friends, before attacking others take
a good look at the yourselves in the mirror.


,
EU
electives

【在 r***l 的大作中提到】
: As an IP practitioner in DC with a PhD and years of industrial experience
: before my JD, I cannot agree with you any more. But again, maybe all
: aspiring polititians want the free lunches, lavish parties, special sport
: tickets, free trips to EU, all on our expense. To the best of my knowledge,
: Michelle Obama is the first first lady to take Air Force One for her own EU
: vacations. Not to mention, each and every time, the President and his
: cronies take a trip, they cut off traffic in DC.
: To make the point clear, the election is nothing more than a circus.
: America has elected the wrong President for the fourth time since Bush v.
: Gore. In a similar vein, the majority of Americans, through their electives

I*******I
发帖数: 195
18
"when you actually see how wasteful and incompetent the Obama adminstration
had been and presumably will remain to be."
we really have to hold right wing's words accountable, we can't not let
right wing fart at one place and move on to pull shit out of the ass to
another target. Just take a look at these history figure then tell me which
government is more wasteful and inefficient. GOP claimed to be fiscal
responsible, in fact our major debts happened when a Republican is the
president. GOP governing method only work at small level like your your
local city or even your state, at federal level history showed us again and
again GOP's method just does not work at all. Don't tell me these history
data is also fake, then you guys really have to check yourselves out in the
mental institute.

【在 r***l 的大作中提到】
: One nexus to job placement is that you need personal connections
: with the offices of the adminsistration. And to that end, Berkeley would
: not fare well. I also know that in DC area, GU/GW has a joint program for
: public interest law. Perhaps Gtown is better choice for you.
: To this end, I must note that, GW, as a well-known conservative and
: republican law school, offered you a scholarship of some kind even though
: your political affiliations and ambitions could not be more different from
: those donors. Meanwhile, Gtown, a well-known liberal and democrat strong
: hold, apparently offered you nothing.
: This is so reminiscent of the election days. At Gtown, no one dares to

L**P
发帖数: 3792
19
There are also people who don't speak up not because they don't have guts.
Very likely, they keep silent beacause they are not satisfied with either
party.

faceless

【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: I actually don’t mind getting to know each one of them. Don’t let faceless
: internet fool u, they could have pleasant personality in real life. And
: political stuff is always a hot mess, no matter which side you are on. At
: least they have guts to speak up what they stand for, unlike many Chinese
: only knowing how to be good silent lamb. Anyway back to the school, I will
: choose Berkeley any time any day, but I am biased (live in CA for so many
: years) and I know nothing about politics.
:
: insufferable

I*******I
发帖数: 195
20
In SLS today!
Requested an evaluation letter from Senator Feinstein for S application,
guess it really helped! My application cycle is officially over.
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d********e
发帖数: 2221
21
if you are far left politically, go to Berkeley. GW is Republican.
I*******I
发帖数: 195
22
Thanks but I think I will attend neither of them.=)

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】
: if you are far left politically, go to Berkeley. GW is Republican.
d********e
发帖数: 2221
23
right. you are going to Stanford. good for you.
c**d
发帖数: 3888
24
I seriously doubt Jake got in at SLS, based on the level of his writing
skills we have all witnessed.
Certainly he may have some outstanding qualities that we are not aware of.
But a letter from Dianne Feinstein is far-fetched. A senator wouldn't have
written a meaningful LOR unless it's for the inner circle of staffers.
h*********c
发帖数: 21
25
To czjd:
I strongly disagree with you on whether OP got admitted at SLS. What I feel
is she has got what it takes to be accepted in Top 6. What I reckon is based
on:
1. I don't know if her writing is as good as a typical promising law school
applicant, but she's writing in a coherent and reasoned way. That's exactly
what law schools are looking for from applicants.
2. She was able to get a letter of recommendation from Dianne Feinstein. No
matter how "far-fetched" you think it might be, it takes a great deal to get
close to a senior Senator.
3. Last by not the least, she's got the numbers, the experiences, the proven
smartness with a PhD in Psychology and a clear vision of career path in
public sector. What else do you look for from a law school applicant?
Therefore, there is no doubt that she's got in SLS as she wrote.
From what I inferred from the thread, there are a couple of things more I
reckon you guys have probably already guessed right.
1. Her "dream career path is to follow Stephanie Cutter", so she is a woman.
2. She worked for Dianne Feinstein so she's based in California. So she'll
probably go to SLS eventually.
3. Her avatar photo is a half breed kid, so she might have probably married
a Laowai as we call them.
4. Her English both in oral and written would be 10 times better than a lot
of us on this board. For one thing, she's got a PhD in Psychology which is
liberal arts; for another, her nature of work and family life require her to
think and even dream in English. How better a English learning environment
could you ever have thought of?
5. She will probably make history if, and only if she is determined to
pursue what she stated before in the thread.
Thanks for your attention. No disrespect. I have just got paranoid after
working my butt off on LSAT prep.
x****e
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lz:请大家拜读一下拙作
围观群众:我来给你提点宝贵意见
于是热火朝天的讨论就此展开。。。
d********e
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这坟挖的。
Feinstein 就别提了,臭不可闻。她要写推荐信我当场就撕了。
PhD也没什么新鲜的。这儿谁没有啊?

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exactly
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【在 h*********c 的大作中提到】
: To czjd:
: I strongly disagree with you on whether OP got admitted at SLS. What I feel
: is she has got what it takes to be accepted in Top 6. What I reckon is based
: on:
: 1. I don't know if her writing is as good as a typical promising law school
: applicant, but she's writing in a coherent and reasoned way. That's exactly
: what law schools are looking for from applicants.
: 2. She was able to get a letter of recommendation from Dianne Feinstein. No
: matter how "far-fetched" you think it might be, it takes a great deal to get
: close to a senior Senator.

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