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wh
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好像音乐月活动还没结束?要是结束了我就把标题撤掉。
听coalpilerd贴的《You Raise Me Up》,想起以前讨论过福音歌、黑人歌。考古找到
不少歌,就单独开个帖。
我第一次听的You Raise Me Up是Westlife的版本,想当然地以为是教会福音歌。
karoun说不是,福音音乐来源于黑人音乐,而You Raise Me Up是爱尔兰民歌。歌词里
的在我受挫、低落时陪伴、支持我的你,既可以指世俗的父母、爱人,也可以指宗教的
上帝、神灵。宗教场合也会唱这首歌,算是从世俗走入教堂的例子吧。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bxc9hbwkkw
另有一首走向相反、从教堂步入世俗的歌是Amazing Grace,歌词是18世纪的英国诗人
牧师John Newton写的,现在则成为美国大众文化里的一个标志,电影电视里到处听得
到。旋律也很沉静、温暖、治愈系。贴个amicus喜欢的Judy Collins版本:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtteRD5bBNQ
说起黑人音乐,小时候学过不少悲伤难忘的黑人歌,比如Nobody Knows the Trouble I
've Seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EJSkJlh_fg
还有一支叫Donna Donna的歌,讲一只眼神悲伤的小牛犊被绑在车里带去市场等待宰割
。听着也像黑人歌,查了一下发现是纳粹时期创作的犹太歌。词曲都很悲哀低回;不过
悲哀的歌词中有一段神奇的大笑的西风:
How the winds are laughing
They laugh with all their might
Laugh and laugh the whole day through
And half the summer's night
听民歌手Joan Baez唱的:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqzGZ5AaeSs
这些歌中给我印象最深的,是英国摇滚乐队The Animals翻唱的黑人歌曲The House of
the Rising Sun。该House是新奥尔良的一个妓院。Animals几个西装革履、外表文雅、
内心叛逆的英伦少年真像Beatles。音质高亮,过耳不忘。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRXb7K7k7bQ
这首歌也像第一、二首一样被无数人翻唱,包括前面的Joan Baez及Bob Dylan。Dolly
Parton把歌词里的boy改成girl,把沉沦的嫖客变为沉沦的妓女。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSlPldlmVtk
除了The Animals,我还喜欢Sinead O'Connor的版本,像她本人一样沉静、神秘、柔中
带刚、力度彪悍。karoun说如果The Animals是嫖客,Dolly Parton是风尘妓女,
Sinead O'Connor就是妓院周围叫卖兜售的卖花姑娘……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aldbrau5sps
附录以上歌曲的歌词,都很深刻……
1. You Raise Me Up
When I am down and, oh my soul, so weary
When troubles come and my heart burdened be
Then I am still and wait here in the silence
Until you come and sit awhile with me
You raise me up so I can stand on mountains
You raise me up to walk on stormy seas
I am strong when I am on your shoulders
You raise me up to more than I can be
There is no life - no life without it's hunger
Each restless heart beats so imperfectly
But when you come and I am filled with wonder
Sometimes, I think I glimpse eternity
You raise me up so I can stand on mountains
You raise me up to walk on stormy seas
I am strong when I am on your shoulders
You raise me up to more than I can be
You raise me up so I can stand on mountains
You raise me up to walk on stormy seas
I am strong when I am on your shoulders
You raise me up to more than I can be
You raise me up to more than I can be
2. Amazing Grace
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.
T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.
Through many dangers, toils and snares
I have already come;
'Tis Grace that brought me safe thus far
and Grace will lead me home.
The Lord has promised good to me.
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be,
As long as life endures.
Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
And mortal life shall cease,
I shall possess within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.
When we've been here ten thousand years
Bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing God's praise
Than when we've first begun.
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.
3. Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen
Nobody knows the trouble I've seen
Nobody knows my sorrow
Nobody knows the trouble I've seen
Glory, Hallelujah
Sometimes I'm up, sometimes
I'm down, ohh, yes Lord
Sometimes I'm almost
To the ground, oh yes, Lord
Nobody knows the trouble I've seen
Nobody knows but Jesus
Anybody knows the trouble I've seen
Glory, Hallelujah
If you got there before
I do, oh yes Lord
Tell all my friends, I'm
Coming too, oh yes Lord
Although you see me
Goin' on so, oh yes
I have my trials, here below
Ohh yes, Lord
4. Donna Donna
On a wagon bound for market
There's a calf with a mournful eye
High above him there's a swallow
Winging swiftly through the sky
How the winds are laughing
They laugh with all their might
Laugh and laugh the whole day through
And half the summer's night
Donna, Donna, Donna, Donna
Donna, Donna, Donna, Don
Donna, Donna, Donna, Donna
Donna, Donna, Donna, Don
"Stop complaining", said the farmer
Who told you a calf to be?
Why don't you have wings to fly with
Like the swallow so proud and free?
Calves are easily bound and slaughtered
Never knowing the reason why
But whoever treasures freedom
Like the swallow has learned to fly
5. The House of the Rising Sun
There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God I know I'm one
My mother was a tailor
She sewed my new bluejeans
My father was a gamblin' man
Down in New Orleans
Now the only thing a gambler needs
Is a suitcase and trunk
And the only time he's satisfied
Is when he's on a drunk
Oh mother tell your children
Not to do what I have done
Spend your lives in sin and misery
In the House of the Rising Sun
Well, I got one foot on the platform
The other foot on the train
I'm goin' back to New Orleans
To wear that ball and chain
Well, there is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God I know I'm one
c********d
发帖数: 11593
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提到Amazing Grace,我还想扯一点关于作者的花絮。
这位作者约翰·牛顿,原本是个奴隶贩子,后来信了教,然后就开始反对蓄奴了。如果
你去教会,几乎每个人都可以把这段故事告诉你——这是神的力量,改变人,拯救人。
然而如果你稍微翻一下约翰·牛顿的生平,你会发现,他在受洗之后还是做了两年的奴
隶贩子,接着他停止了贩卖奴隶,转而投资其他奴隶贩子的生意,这样的投资持续了九
年。然后才是彻底的停止。当然有一点还得提到,他倒是没有一边做牧师一边投资奴隶
生意。
所以我对这首歌其实是有点阴影的,因为想不出作者当时写这首歌的时候是个什么状态
。尽管很多时候我认为作品和作者应该分开考量,但是和宗教有关的歌曲是例外。
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另外说到关于you raise me up算不算宗教歌曲,我有一位朋友也同我争论过,说这首
歌用来歌唱互相扶持的亲情友情也很合适。不过我还是认为,拿耶稣带着彼得走在海面
的典故来歌唱亲情或者友情,终究怪了些,毕竟你对你的父母、配偶或者朋友,都不至
于天天管人家叫“主啊,主啊”><
wh
发帖数: 141625
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估计开始时个体、平权意识还不足,后来开始反省不对了;因为以前习以为常不当一回
事,所以反省了九年才彻底金盆洗手洗心革面……:) 我是刚刚查歌时才查到这个john
newton的,差点以为是isaac newton...哎你入教没有啊……不方便的话不用说……
you raise me up作为爱尔兰民歌的时候歌词大概不一样?这个歌词是蛮宗教气息的。
我对福音歌概念模糊,不是所有宗教歌都是福音歌是吗?我听到宗教兮兮的都叫福音歌
……
考古的时候还找到这首歌,画面蛮好看的,说是电影the passion of christ里的?好
像记得有个电影叫基督的诱惑,回头我去找找看。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8welVgKX8Qo

【在 c********d 的大作中提到】
: 提到Amazing Grace,我还想扯一点关于作者的花絮。
: 这位作者约翰·牛顿,原本是个奴隶贩子,后来信了教,然后就开始反对蓄奴了。如果
: 你去教会,几乎每个人都可以把这段故事告诉你——这是神的力量,改变人,拯救人。
: 然而如果你稍微翻一下约翰·牛顿的生平,你会发现,他在受洗之后还是做了两年的奴
: 隶贩子,接着他停止了贩卖奴隶,转而投资其他奴隶贩子的生意,这样的投资持续了九
: 年。然后才是彻底的停止。当然有一点还得提到,他倒是没有一边做牧师一边投资奴隶
: 生意。
: 所以我对这首歌其实是有点阴影的,因为想不出作者当时写这首歌的时候是个什么状态
: 。尽管很多时候我认为作品和作者应该分开考量,但是和宗教有关的歌曲是例外。
: ------------------------------

M********c
发帖数: 11672
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都是好经典的歌啊。you raise me up这歌国内很流行,记得汶川大地震后一帮明星唱
过。
活动的事,等我算算还有多少钱啦。。。(其实我不太算得清,要不你来算?)
wh
发帖数: 141625
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那还不如唱让世界充满爱或明天会更好……
刚算了算,加上这篇奖金就用完啦,哦也!

【在 M********c 的大作中提到】
: 都是好经典的歌啊。you raise me up这歌国内很流行,记得汶川大地震后一帮明星唱
: 过。
: 活动的事,等我算算还有多少钱啦。。。(其实我不太算得清,要不你来算?)

p******e
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Keep on the sunny side of life.
I'm a man of constant sorrow。
这两个也算吧
M********c
发帖数: 11672
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不好,不如英文歌高大上。 :)

【在 wh 的大作中提到】
: 那还不如唱让世界充满爱或明天会更好……
: 刚算了算,加上这篇奖金就用完啦,哦也!

wh
发帖数: 141625
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不知道算不算福音歌,歌词里倒都有savior, god,但旋律都是民歌的旋律?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNToRJI_oeg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDA708XlFIo

【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: Keep on the sunny side of life.
: I'm a man of constant sorrow。
: 这两个也算吧

wh
发帖数: 141625
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其实这种大爱歌励志歌都容易banal。

【在 M********c 的大作中提到】
: 不好,不如英文歌高大上。 :)
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