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i*********t
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大概觉得好玩,昨天同事发给我下面这篇文章,今儿一边开会一边扫了遍,刚才发现买
买提首页头条就是这个amy chua的新闻,有兴趣的同学耐心读读,挺有意思的。
1.我开始看还在笑,后来慢慢僵住了。
2.没读过她别的书/文章,想知道她怎么对孩子进行挫折教育的。假如她小二弹琴左右
手乱套就是改不过来,怎么办?恐怕孩子都不用她骂,自己都觉得自己是garbage了。
3.“nothing is fun until you're good at it”这是什么精英逻辑?一无所长的孩子
难道都是抑郁症的胚子?
A lot of people wonder how Chinese parents raise such stereotypically
successful kids. They wonder what these parents do to produce so many math
whizzes and music prodigies, what it's like inside the family, and whether
they could do it too. Well, I can tell them, because I've done it. Here are
some things my daughters, Sophia and Louisa, were never allowed to do:
• attend a sleepover
• have a playdate
• be in a school play
• complain about not being in a school play
• watch TV or play computer games
• choose their own extracurricular activities
• get any grade less than an A
• not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama
• play any instrument other than the piano or violin
• not play the piano or violin.
I'm using the term "Chinese mother" loosely. I know some Korean, Indian,
Jamaican, Irish and Ghanaian parents who qualify too. Conversely, I know
some mothers of Chinese heritage, almost always born in the West, who are
not Chinese mothers, by choice or otherwise. I'm also using the term "
Western parents" loosely. Western parents come in all varieties.
When it comes to parenting, the Chinese seem to produce children who display
academic excellence, musical mastery and professional success - or so the
stereotype goes. WSJ's Christina Tsuei speaks to two moms raised by Chinese
immigrants who share what it was like growing up and how they hope to raise
their children.
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Despite our squeamishness about cultural stereotypes, there are tons of
studies out there showing marked and quantifiable differences between
Chinese and Westerners when it comes to parenting. In one study of 50
Western American mothers and 48 Chinese immigrant mothers, almost 70% of the
Western mothers said either that "stressing academic success is not good
for children" or that "parents need to foster the idea that learning is fun.
" By contrast, roughly 0% of the Chinese mothers felt the same way. Instead,
the vast majority of the Chinese mothers said that they believe their
children can be "the best" students, that "academic achievement reflects
successful parenting," and that if children did not excel at school then
there was "a problem" and parents "were not doing their job." Other studies
indicate that compared to Western parents, Chinese parents spend
approximately 10 times as long every day drilling academic activities with
their children. By contrast, Western kids are more likely to participate in
sports teams.
What Chinese parents understand is that nothing is fun until you're good at
it. To get good at anything you have to work, and children on their own
never want to work, which is why it is crucial to override their preferences
. This often requires fortitude on the part of the parents because the child
will resist; things are always hardest at the beginning, which is where
Western parents tend to give up. But if done properly, the Chinese strategy
produces a virtuous circle. Tenacious practice, practice, practice is
crucial for excellence; rote repetition is underrated in America. Once a
child starts to excel at something—whether it's math, piano, pitching or
ballet—he or she gets praise, admiration and satisfaction. This builds
confidence and makes the once not-fun activity fun. This in turn makes it
easier for the parent to get the child to work even more.
Chinese parents can get away with things that Western parents can't. Once
when I was young—maybe more than once—when I was extremely disrespectful
to my mother, my father angrily called me "garbage" in our native Hokkien
dialect. It worked really well. I felt terrible and deeply ashamed of what I
had done. But it didn't damage my self-esteem or anything like that. I knew
exactly how highly he thought of me. I didn't actually think I was
worthless or feel like a piece of garbage.
As an adult, I once did the same thing to Sophia, calling her garbage in
English when she acted extremely disrespectfully toward me. When I mentioned
that I had done this at a dinner party, I was immediately ostracized. One
guest named Marcy got so upset she broke down in tears and had to leave
early. My friend Susan, the host, tried to rehabilitate me with the
remaining guests.
The fact is that Chinese parents can do things that would seem unimaginable
—even legally actionable—to Westerners. Chinese mothers can say to their
daughters, "Hey fatty—lose some weight." By contrast, Western parents have
to tiptoe around the issue, talking in terms of "health" and never ever
mentioning the f-word, and their kids still end up in therapy for eating
disorders and negative self-image. (I also once heard a Western father toast
his adult daughter by calling her "beautiful and incredibly competent." She
later told me that made her feel like garbage.)
Chinese parents can order their kids to get straight As. Western parents can
only ask their kids to try their best. Chinese parents can say, "You're
lazy. All your classmates are getting ahead of you." By contrast, Western
parents have to struggle with their own conflicted feelings about
achievement, and try to persuade themselves that they're not disappointed
about how their kids turned out.
I've thought long and hard about how Chinese parents can get away with what
they do. I think there are three big differences between the Chinese and
Western parental mind-sets.
Newborn Amy Chua in her mother's arms, a year after her parents arrived in
the U.S.
First, I've noticed that Western parents are extremely anxious about their
children's self-esteem. They worry about how their children will feel if
they fail at something, and they constantly try to reassure their children
about how good they are notwithstanding a mediocre performance on a test or
at a recital. In other words, Western parents are concerned about their
children's psyches. Chinese parents aren't. They assume strength, not
fragility, and as a result they behave very differently.
For example, if a child comes home with an A-minus on a test, a Western
parent will most likely praise the child. The Chinese mother will gasp in
horror and ask what went wrong. If the child comes home with a B on the test
, some Western parents will still praise the child. Other Western parents
will sit their child down and express disapproval, but they will be careful
not to make their child feel inadequate or insecure, and they will not call
their child "stupid," "worthless" or "a disgrace." Privately, the Western
parents may worry that their child does not test well or have aptitude in
the subject or that there is something wrong with the curriculum and
possibly the whole school. If the child's grades do not improve, they may
eventually schedule a meeting with the school principal to challenge the way
the subject is being taught or to call into question the teacher's
credentials.
If a Chinese child gets a B—which would never happen—there would first be
a screaming, hair-tearing explosion. The devastated Chinese mother would
then get dozens, maybe hundreds of practice tests and work through them with
her child for as long as it takes to get the grade up to an A.
Chinese parents demand perfect grades because they believe that their child
can get them. If their child doesn't get them, the Chinese parent assumes it
's because the child didn't work hard enough. That's why the solution to
substandard performance is always to excoriate, punish and shame the child.
The Chinese parent believes that their child will be strong enough to take
the shaming and to improve from it. (And when Chinese kids do excel, there
is plenty of ego-inflating parental praise lavished in the privacy of the
home.)
Second, Chinese parents believe that their kids owe them everything. The
reason for this is a little unclear, but it's probably a combination of
Confucian filial piety and the fact that the parents have sacrificed and
done so much for their children. (And it's true that Chinese mothers get in
the trenches, putting in long grueling hours personally tutoring, training,
interrogating and spying on their kids.) Anyway, the understanding is that
Chinese children must spend their lives repaying their parents by obeying
them and making them proud.
By contrast, I don't think most Westerners have the same view of children
being permanently indebted to their parents. My husband, Jed, actually has
the opposite view. "Children don't choose their parents," he once said to me
. "They don't even choose to be born. It's parents who foist life on their
kids, so it's the parents' responsibility to provide for them. Kids don't
owe their parents anything. Their duty will be to their own kids." This
strikes me as a terrible deal for the Western parent.
Third, Chinese parents believe that they know what is best for their
children and therefore override all of their children's own desires and
preferences. That's why Chinese daughters can't have boyfriends in high
school and why Chinese kids can't go to sleepaway camp. It's also why no
Chinese kid would ever dare say to their mother, "I got a part in the school
play! I'm Villager Number Six. I'll have to stay after school for rehearsal
every day from 3:00 to 7:00, and I'll also need a ride on weekends." God
help any Chinese kid who tried that one.
Don't get me wrong: It's not that Chinese parents don't care about their
children. Just the opposite. They would give up anything for their children.
It's just an entirely different parenting model.
Here's a story in favor of coercion, Chinese-style. Lulu was about 7, still
playing two instruments, and working on a piano piece called "The Little
White Donkey" by the French composer Jacques Ibert. The piece is really cute
—you can just imagine a little donkey ambling along a country road with its
master—but it's also incredibly difficult for young players because the
two hands have to keep schizophrenically different rhythms. Lulu couldn't do
it. We worked on it nonstop for a week, drilling each of her hands
separately, over and over. But whenever we tried putting the hands together,
one always morphed into the other, and everything fell apart. Finally, the
day before her lesson, Lulu announced in exasperation that she was giving up
and stomped off.
"Get back to the piano now," I ordered.
"You can't make me."
"Oh yes, I can."
Back at the piano, Lulu made me pay. She punched, thrashed and kicked. She
grabbed the music score and tore it to shreds. I taped the score back
together and encased it in a plastic shield so that it could never be
destroyed again. Then I hauled Lulu's dollhouse to the car and told her I'd
donate it to the Salvation Army piece by piece if she didn't have "The
Little White Donkey" perfect by the next day. When Lulu said, "I thought you
were going to the Salvation Army, why are you still here?" I threatened her
with no lunch, no dinner, no Christmas or Hanukkah presents, no birthday
parties for two, three, four years. When she still kept playing it wrong, I
told her she was purposely working herself into a frenzy because she was
secretly afraid she couldn't do it. I told her to stop being lazy, cowardly,
self-indulgent and pathetic.
Jed took me aside. He told me to stop insulting Lulu—which I wasn't even
doing, I was just motivating her—and that he didn't think threatening Lulu
was helpful. Also, he said, maybe Lulu really just couldn't do the technique
—perhaps she didn't have the coordination yet—had I considered that
possibility?
"You just don't believe in her," I accused.
"That's ridiculous," Jed said scornfully. "Of course I do."
"Sophia could play the piece when she was this age."
"But Lulu and Sophia are different people," Jed pointed out.
"Oh no, not this," I said, rolling my eyes. "Everyone is special in their
special own way," I mimicked sarcastically. "Even losers are special in
their own special way. Well don't worry, you don't have to lift a finger. I'
m willing to put in as long as it takes, and I'm happy to be the one hated.
And you can be the one they adore because you make them pancakes and take
them to Yankees games."
I rolled up my sleeves and went back to Lulu. I used every weapon and tactic
I could think of. We worked right through dinner into the night, and I
wouldn't let Lulu get up, not for water, not even to go to the bathroom. The
house became a war zone, and I lost my voice yelling, but still there
seemed to be only negative progress, and even I began to have doubts.
Then, out of the blue, Lulu did it. Her hands suddenly came together—her
right and left hands each doing their own imperturbable thing—just like
that. Lulu realized it the same time I did. I held my breath. She tried it
tentatively again. Then she played it more confidently and faster, and still
the rhythm held. A moment later, she was beaming. "Mommy, look—it's easy!"
After that, she wanted to play the piece over and over and wouldn't leave
the piano. That night, she came to sleep in my bed, and we snuggled and
hugged, cracking each other up. When she performed "The Little White Donkey"
at a recital a few weeks later, parents came up to me and said, "What a
perfect piece for Lulu—it's so spunky and so her."
Even Jed gave me credit for that one. Western parents worry a lot about
their children's self-esteem. But as a parent, one of the worst things you
can do for your child's self-esteem is to let them give up. On the flip side
, there's nothing better for building confidence than learning you can do
something you thought you couldn't.
There are all these new books out there portraying Asian mothers as scheming
, callous, overdriven people indifferent to their kids' true interests. For
their part, many Chinese secretly believe that they care more about their
children and are willing to sacrifice much more for them than Westerners,
who seem perfectly content to let their children turn out badly. I think it'
s a misunderstanding on both sides. All decent parents want to do what's
best for their children. The Chinese just have a totally different idea of
how to do that.
Western parents try to respect their children's individuality, encouraging
them to pursue their true passions, supporting their choices, and providing
positive reinforcement and a nurturing environment. By contrast, the Chinese
believe that the best way to protect their children is by preparing them
for the future, letting them see what they're capable of, and arming them
with skills, work habits and inner confidence that no one can ever take away.
—Amy Chua is a professor at Yale Law School and author of "Day of Empire"
and "World on Fire: How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred
and Global Instability." This essay is excerpted from "Battle Hymn of the
Tiger Mother" by Amy Chua, to be published Tuesday by the Penguin Press, a
member of Penguin Group (USA) Inc. Copyright © 2011 by Amy Chua.
l****r
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这个话题到这周已经too old了,peng!

【在 i*********t 的大作中提到】
: 大概觉得好玩,昨天同事发给我下面这篇文章,今儿一边开会一边扫了遍,刚才发现买
: 买提首页头条就是这个amy chua的新闻,有兴趣的同学耐心读读,挺有意思的。
: 1.我开始看还在笑,后来慢慢僵住了。
: 2.没读过她别的书/文章,想知道她怎么对孩子进行挫折教育的。假如她小二弹琴左右
: 手乱套就是改不过来,怎么办?恐怕孩子都不用她骂,自己都觉得自己是garbage了。
: 3.“nothing is fun until you're good at it”这是什么精英逻辑?一无所长的孩子
: 难道都是抑郁症的胚子?
: A lot of people wonder how Chinese parents raise such stereotypically
: successful kids. They wonder what these parents do to produce so many math
: whizzes and music prodigies, what it's like inside the family, and whether

wh
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不许歧视retarded people,我都还没看这本书!

【在 l****r 的大作中提到】
: 这个话题到这周已经too old了,peng!
l*r
发帖数: 79569
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哈哈,伯格太out了

【在 l****r 的大作中提到】
: 这个话题到这周已经too old了,peng!
wh
发帖数: 141625
5
p...

【在 l*r 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈,伯格太out了
b***e
发帖数: 15201
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问号你正好也两娃,不如和虎妈较量下,变个dragon mom怎样?
i*********t
发帖数: 5873
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我难得发一自觉有点儿建设性的帖子,还被你歧视,今后破罐破摔到底了。

【在 l****r 的大作中提到】
: 这个话题到这周已经too old了,peng!
S***Z
发帖数: 1029
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老邢不择手段为了流量,虎妈不择手段为了销量。都当不得真的。
i*********t
发帖数: 5873
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哦,那我打牌去了。

【在 S***Z 的大作中提到】
: 老邢不择手段为了流量,虎妈不择手段为了销量。都当不得真的。
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