v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 1 the voter-approved rule violates US Constitution, the judge said. |
z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 2 还会上述的，哈哈
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: the voter-approved rule violates US Constitution, the judge said.
|
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 3 真是一场闹剧，人家愿意结婚就让人家结呗，非要拉锯。
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 还会上述的，哈哈
|
s*******d
发帖数: 17566 | |
T******e
发帖数: 18290 | 5 一步步上诉还有一段时间。最高法院不愿意接这个烫手山芋，但是一旦案子到他们那里
，我估计是会判决Prop 8不违背联邦宪法.
我觉得，同性civil union，目前比较合适大众的心理，比较可行。
【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】
: 看最高法院怎么判了
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g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 6 我觉得gay们的问题就是做事不低调。他们她们结婚没啥，但不能要天下人都被洗脑，非要别人也认为同性恋是对的，还要求公立学校教育孩子们同性恋是种选择，太缺德，纯洁的小孩子都被污染了，这样太招人恨。
哪个男人有了儿子，希望儿子将来被别的男人走后门？
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: 真是一场闹剧，人家愿意结婚就让人家结呗，非要拉锯。
|
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 7 没有哪个同性恋要求天下人都认为同性恋是“对的”吧？这不是一个“对与错”的问题
，而是一个传统上信基督教的国家（虽然号称religion-neutral)是不是以大多数人的m
oral disapproval，或者说就是一种主观好恶，来压制一小部分人的基本权利的问题。
我觉得既然权利被压制，就要去争取，社会地位最终都是争取来的。坦率地讲，我觉得
黑人是社会的一个包袱，但是如果我一觉醒来发现自己变成了一个六十年代的黑人，那
我一定会跟着老金往华盛顿走的--人必须为自己争取权利。
，非要别人也认为同性恋是对的，还要求公立学校教育孩子们同性恋是种选择，太缺德
，纯洁的小孩子都被污染了，这样太招人恨。
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得gay们的问题就是做事不低调。他们她们结婚没啥，但不能要天下人都被洗脑，非要别人也认为同性恋是对的，还要求公立学校教育孩子们同性恋是种选择，太缺德，纯洁的小孩子都被污染了，这样太招人恨。
: 哪个男人有了儿子，希望儿子将来被别的男人走后门？
|
g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 8 同性恋跟黑人有相似的地方，比如过分的争取，觉得社会对他们太不公正，从而干扰了
别人的正常生活。其实华人最老实，都像咱们这样，世界早就和平了。
想起一个同性恋笑话。
nowadays, public school teachers have to teach children that not only a
prince can marry a prince, but also a prince can divorce a prince, and take
his castles.
社会乱套了
的m
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: 没有哪个同性恋要求天下人都认为同性恋是“对的”吧？这不是一个“对与错”的问题
: ，而是一个传统上信基督教的国家（虽然号称religion-neutral)是不是以大多数人的m
: oral disapproval，或者说就是一种主观好恶，来压制一小部分人的基本权利的问题。
: 我觉得既然权利被压制，就要去争取，社会地位最终都是争取来的。坦率地讲，我觉得
: 黑人是社会的一个包袱，但是如果我一觉醒来发现自己变成了一个六十年代的黑人，那
: 我一定会跟着老金往华盛顿走的--人必须为自己争取权利。
:
: ，非要别人也认为同性恋是对的，还要求公立学校教育孩子们同性恋是种选择，太缺德
: ，纯洁的小孩子都被污染了，这样太招人恨。
|
j**n
发帖数: 94 | 9 I don't think any "rights" has been violated. This Prop 8 is about how "
marriage" is defined. Marriage by widely accepted definition is between a
man and a woman.
Gay people are never denied the right to get married, as long as they marry
to an opposite sex. They opted out because of their choice of life style
. NO ONE is taking their rights away.
Now it is the gay rights group who's trying to force their value upon the
general public by re-defining "marriage".
Don't get me wrong, I'll sup
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: 没有哪个同性恋要求天下人都认为同性恋是“对的”吧？这不是一个“对与错”的问题
: ，而是一个传统上信基督教的国家（虽然号称religion-neutral)是不是以大多数人的m
: oral disapproval，或者说就是一种主观好恶，来压制一小部分人的基本权利的问题。
: 我觉得既然权利被压制，就要去争取，社会地位最终都是争取来的。坦率地讲，我觉得
: 黑人是社会的一个包袱，但是如果我一觉醒来发现自己变成了一个六十年代的黑人，那
: 我一定会跟着老金往华盛顿走的--人必须为自己争取权利。
:
: ，非要别人也认为同性恋是对的，还要求公立学校教育孩子们同性恋是种选择，太缺德
: ，纯洁的小孩子都被污染了，这样太招人恨。
|
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 10 无所谓啦，他们也愿意那么称呼，就让他们称呼呗。他们愿意参与什么alamony, child
support这些有趣的事情，就算是犯神经，也是自愿。咱多数人对少数人大方一点，长
远看没啥大不了的。
marry
introducing
marriage
【在 j**n 的大作中提到】
: I don't think any "rights" has been violated. This Prop 8 is about how "
: marriage" is defined. Marriage by widely accepted definition is between a
: man and a woman.
: Gay people are never denied the right to get married, as long as they marry
: to an opposite sex. They opted out because of their choice of life style
: . NO ONE is taking their rights away.
: Now it is the gay rights group who's trying to force their value upon the
: general public by re-defining "marriage".
: Don't get me wrong, I'll sup
|
|
|
j**n
发帖数: 94 | 11 Actually I won't feel extremely upset even if they get their way. I just
feel annoyed that they want the general to not just tolerate, but to adapt
to their CHOICE of life style. Anyways, I don't care that much as long as
they get in the way of my life.
child
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: 无所谓啦，他们也愿意那么称呼，就让他们称呼呗。他们愿意参与什么alamony, child
: support这些有趣的事情，就算是犯神经，也是自愿。咱多数人对少数人大方一点，长
: 远看没啥大不了的。
:
: marry
: introducing
: marriage
|
T******T
发帖数: 3066 | 12 fk this facade of a democracy, this is total bullshit. One man sitting in
his voter funded office gets to negate the wills of several million voters
and million of campaign $$. What's the point of voting anyways. |
T******T
发帖数: 3066 | 13 Precisely, 菊花 weren't designed to be used that way.
，非要别人也认为同性恋是对的，还要求公立学校教育孩子们同性恋是种选择，太缺德
，纯洁的小孩子都被污染了，这样太招人恨。
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得gay们的问题就是做事不低调。他们她们结婚没啥，但不能要天下人都被洗脑，非要别人也认为同性恋是对的，还要求公立学校教育孩子们同性恋是种选择，太缺德，纯洁的小孩子都被污染了，这样太招人恨。
: 哪个男人有了儿子，希望儿子将来被别的男人走后门？
|
T******T
发帖数: 3066 | 14 Word, I've advocated this exact notion the last round of debates.
Don't force their values on us straights and I can careless if
they enjoy the same rights, privileges and protection.
marry
introducing
marriage
【在 j**n 的大作中提到】
: I don't think any "rights" has been violated. This Prop 8 is about how "
: marriage" is defined. Marriage by widely accepted definition is between a
: man and a woman.
: Gay people are never denied the right to get married, as long as they marry
: to an opposite sex. They opted out because of their choice of life style
: . NO ONE is taking their rights away.
: Now it is the gay rights group who's trying to force their value upon the
: general public by re-defining "marriage".
: Don't get me wrong, I'll sup
|
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 15 压根儿就不该有那个pro8投票，完全是劳民伤财。最后回头一看，其实都是打嘴仗。
【在 T******T 的大作中提到】
: fk this facade of a democracy, this is total bullshit. One man sitting in
: his voter funded office gets to negate the wills of several million voters
: and million of campaign $$. What's the point of voting anyways.
|
T******T
发帖数: 3066 | 16 Just listened to NPR, lol, the federal Judge walker is openly GAY.
A Gay Fed Judge ruling on Gay marriage, how is that a fair check/balance of
our
democracy and constitutionality of our law ?
That's some blatant conflict of interest any way you slice it.
In another word, total BS.
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: 压根儿就不该有那个pro8投票，完全是劳民伤财。最后回头一看，其实都是打嘴仗。
|
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 17 就是一场闹剧。你要是让选民投票说加州要不要修高铁，当然合理，那玩意儿要花很多
tax dollars。可是开个选票让大家决定一小部分人能不能管他们的relationship叫mar
riage并获得相应法律保护？这本身就是一种公共资源的浪费，是吃饱了撑的。这背后的
始作俑者当然不是普通的老百姓，即使他们觉得gay marriage提法别扭，他们也不会去
要求投这个票的。是一些宗教组织搞出来的东西，强行放到大家面前的，非让你做个选
择。你能说，哦，那你可以在那一栏弃权啊。可是问题是，那么多religious的选民，本
来就看不惯同性恋，现在有机会在人家脑袋上踩上一脚了，他会不踩么？所以这个事情
就是一小撮宗教极端分子通过政治斡旋，给了多数群体对少数群体踩一脚的机会，然后
多数群体心想，嘿嘿，不踩白不踩，踩了也白踩。。。
多么SB的一件事儿啊。
of
【在 T******T 的大作中提到】
: Just listened to NPR, lol, the federal Judge walker is openly GAY.
: A Gay Fed Judge ruling on Gay marriage, how is that a fair check/balance of
: our
: democracy and constitutionality of our law ?
: That's some blatant conflict of interest any way you slice it.
: In another word, total BS.
|
T******T
发帖数: 3066 | 18 what's more SB is a bunch of Gay/Lesbians trying to force the society to
accept their value as the norm. I'll be damned if I have to explain to my kids
why dating bobbie is not normal even though he has two dads and all the
teachers are saying that it's perfectly normal for a prince to marry a
prince.
Kids nowadays are already confused, don't need anymore homo-sexual influence.
mar
后的
，本
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: 就是一场闹剧。你要是让选民投票说加州要不要修高铁，当然合理，那玩意儿要花很多
: tax dollars。可是开个选票让大家决定一小部分人能不能管他们的relationship叫mar
: riage并获得相应法律保护？这本身就是一种公共资源的浪费，是吃饱了撑的。这背后的
: 始作俑者当然不是普通的老百姓，即使他们觉得gay marriage提法别扭，他们也不会去
: 要求投这个票的。是一些宗教组织搞出来的东西，强行放到大家面前的，非让你做个选
: 择。你能说，哦，那你可以在那一栏弃权啊。可是问题是，那么多religious的选民，本
: 来就看不惯同性恋，现在有机会在人家脑袋上踩上一脚了，他会不踩么？所以这个事情
: 就是一小撮宗教极端分子通过政治斡旋，给了多数群体对少数群体踩一脚的机会，然后
: 多数群体心想，嘿嘿，不踩白不踩，踩了也白踩。。。
: 多么SB的一件事儿啊。
|
U********S
发帖数: 1896 | 19 就像是某些男人非要去女厕所否则就是不平等一样。本来比较可行方法是争取个用
unisex名字的厕所但人偏说不行一定叫女厕所才行。
不过这次事情发展到后来上诉过程争论的不会是案子本身的内容而是能否用宪法的名义否决全民公投的结果问题。有点类似亚利桑那州的移民法问题，争论的焦点最后演变成在联邦政府无力执法的情况下，各州有没有权利立法替代联邦执法的问题。 |
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 20 kids are meant to become more confused each day. Parents' job is not to help
them avoid that, but guide them through that. the world is confusing. human
society is a complex and crazy place. the only way to perfectly "protect" a
k
id is to not bring her/him to this world at all.
kids
influence.
【在 T******T 的大作中提到】
: what's more SB is a bunch of Gay/Lesbians trying to force the society to
: accept their value as the norm. I'll be damned if I have to explain to my kids
: why dating bobbie is not normal even though he has two dads and all the
: teachers are saying that it's perfectly normal for a prince to marry a
: prince.
: Kids nowadays are already confused, don't need anymore homo-sexual influence.
:
: mar
: 后的
: ，本
|
|
|
T******e
发帖数: 18290 | 21 Love who you love and marry who you wish to marry.
As simple as that ...what is all the fuss about? |
T******T
发帖数: 3066 | 22 Ah, be quiet, ya know you're gonna be a hypocrite on this issue the minute
it starts to take an effect on your offspring. Honestly, I didn't really
care much about the gay/lesbian issue or had any strong feelings against it
until they started to push their agenda into the schools.
We'll wait and see, ain't no point debating this amongst the straights.
Their agenda is not the legalization of same-sex marriage I tell ya. Their
ultimate agenda is to normalize same sex relationship, and brainwash
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: kids are meant to become more confused each day. Parents' job is not to help
: them avoid that, but guide them through that. the world is confusing. human
: society is a complex and crazy place. the only way to perfectly "protect" a
: k
: id is to not bring her/him to this world at all.
:
: kids
: influence.
|
v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 23 some kids are going to be born gay/les and will have gay/les relationships.
most kids are going to be bord straight and have "normal" (by today's defini
tion) relationships. a small number will have a hard time figuring out what
they really are and as a result will have both kind of relationships. as lon
g as they can get along and share this world happily, I don't really care.
minute
it
that
religion
【在 T******T 的大作中提到】
: Ah, be quiet, ya know you're gonna be a hypocrite on this issue the minute
: it starts to take an effect on your offspring. Honestly, I didn't really
: care much about the gay/lesbian issue or had any strong feelings against it
: until they started to push their agenda into the schools.
: We'll wait and see, ain't no point debating this amongst the straights.
: Their agenda is not the legalization of same-sex marriage I tell ya. Their
: ultimate agenda is to normalize same sex relationship, and brainwash
|
w********e
发帖数: 7186 | 24 不是想冒犯你，实在是好奇你这句“I don't care that much as long as
是不是你的前男友是同志啊？ |
T******T
发帖数: 3066 | 25 I don't care either as long as they mind their own business and don't try to
pushing their agenda and forcing their ab-normal values down my throat.
Love who they wanna love, pop whatever b-holes they wanna pop, just don't
force the government or everyone else to think its normal.
.
defini
what
lon
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: some kids are going to be born gay/les and will have gay/les relationships.
: most kids are going to be bord straight and have "normal" (by today's defini
: tion) relationships. a small number will have a hard time figuring out what
: they really are and as a result will have both kind of relationships. as lon
: g as they can get along and share this world happily, I don't really care.
:
: minute
: it
: that
: religion
|
s*******g
发帖数: 1607 | 26 they want people to think homosexuality is NOT abnormal. no kids are going
to turn gay because schools say it's ok to be gay, just like no gays are
going to turn straight because currently the 'norm' in society is to be
straight.
let's assume there's a stupid ass law that says marriage is only between a
man and woman of the same race, how would you feel about that? jlin
mentioned earlier than gays opted out of marrying, so you can make the
argument for this fictitious law that people who marr
【在 T******T 的大作中提到】
: Ah, be quiet, ya know you're gonna be a hypocrite on this issue the minute
: it starts to take an effect on your offspring. Honestly, I didn't really
: care much about the gay/lesbian issue or had any strong feelings against it
: until they started to push their agenda into the schools.
: We'll wait and see, ain't no point debating this amongst the straights.
: Their agenda is not the legalization of same-sex marriage I tell ya. Their
: ultimate agenda is to normalize same sex relationship, and brainwash
|
k*****e
发帖数: 22013 | 27 其实不是kids觉得confused
小孩对新生事物的接受能力都是很快的，他们才不confused呢
confused的是父母。
我们这一代的爸妈也替我们操过不少闲心，
比如早恋啊什么的。当年他们也觉得我们很confused。
风水轮流转，轮到我们当父母的时候，
开始给下一代操闲心了。
kids
influence.
【在 T******T 的大作中提到】
: what's more SB is a bunch of Gay/Lesbians trying to force the society to
: accept their value as the norm. I'll be damned if I have to explain to my kids
: why dating bobbie is not normal even though he has two dads and all the
: teachers are saying that it's perfectly normal for a prince to marry a
: prince.
: Kids nowadays are already confused, don't need anymore homo-sexual influence.
:
: mar
: 后的
: ，本
|
T******T
发帖数: 3066 | 28 Sorry, can not agree, homo-sexuality is NOT normal, period, we humans are
designed to pro-create hetero-sexually, don't care how one sugar coats it or
trying to force me to say that it is normal by some stupid ass law.
Like I said, it is not about the same-sex marriage, straights gotta be a bit
more far-sighted, it is ultimately about their final agenda, that being
straight as a social norm is somehow wrong. When that day comes, then there'
s really something wrong with our society.
going
a
【在 s*******g 的大作中提到】
: they want people to think homosexuality is NOT abnormal. no kids are going
: to turn gay because schools say it's ok to be gay, just like no gays are
: going to turn straight because currently the 'norm' in society is to be
: straight.
: let's assume there's a stupid ass law that says marriage is only between a
: man and woman of the same race, how would you feel about that? jlin
: mentioned earlier than gays opted out of marrying, so you can make the
: argument for this fictitious law that people who marr
|
s**c
发帖数: 1247 | 29 其实一切都是神的旨意
现在讲究和谐社会，不好动不动来个大洪水
所以神就让我们都变成gay
自己灭亡了
or
bit
there'
【在 T******T 的大作中提到】
: Sorry, can not agree, homo-sexuality is NOT normal, period, we humans are
: designed to pro-create hetero-sexually, don't care how one sugar coats it or
: trying to force me to say that it is normal by some stupid ass law.
: Like I said, it is not about the same-sex marriage, straights gotta be a bit
: more far-sighted, it is ultimately about their final agenda, that being
: straight as a social norm is somehow wrong. When that day comes, then there'
: s really something wrong with our society.
:
: going
: a
|
a***a
发帖数: 40617 | 30 “你们”不是“我们”
【在 s**c 的大作中提到】
: 其实一切都是神的旨意
: 现在讲究和谐社会，不好动不动来个大洪水
: 所以神就让我们都变成gay
: 自己灭亡了
:
: or
: bit
: there'
|
|
|
s**c
发帖数: 1247 | 31 你不试，怎么知道你不是？
lol
【在 a***a 的大作中提到】
: “你们”不是“我们”
|
a***a
发帖数: 40617 | 32 你怎么知道我没试过或者被试过
【在 s**c 的大作中提到】
: 你不试，怎么知道你不是？
: lol
|
s**c
发帖数: 1247 | 33 原来你双脱处了
【在 a***a 的大作中提到】
: 你怎么知道我没试过或者被试过
|
S********t
发帖数: 18987 | 34 世界是你们的也是我们的,但终究是你们的
【在 a***a 的大作中提到】
: “你们”不是“我们”
|
j**n
发帖数: 94 | 35 Inter-racial marriage and same sex marriage are things of totally different
nature. The origin of marriage is the union of opposite sexes to produce
off-springs. There's always a male and a female. An inter-racial marriage
is not defying this nature. Same sex union is obviously against this nature.
going
a
【在 s*******g 的大作中提到】
: they want people to think homosexuality is NOT abnormal. no kids are going
: to turn gay because schools say it's ok to be gay, just like no gays are
: going to turn straight because currently the 'norm' in society is to be
: straight.
: let's assume there's a stupid ass law that says marriage is only between a
: man and woman of the same race, how would you feel about that? jlin
: mentioned earlier than gays opted out of marrying, so you can make the
: argument for this fictitious law that people who marr
|
T******T
发帖数: 3066 | 36 This whole attempt to establish a parallel with the history of miscegenation
laws is aimed at brainwashing the liberals. It works obviously.
different
marriage
nature.
【在 j**n 的大作中提到】
: Inter-racial marriage and same sex marriage are things of totally different
: nature. The origin of marriage is the union of opposite sexes to produce
: off-springs. There's always a male and a female. An inter-racial marriage
: is not defying this nature. Same sex union is obviously against this nature.
:
: going
: a
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w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 37 oh yeah, bunch of fucking liberal require your kid listening to fucking in
the ass is normal you can try it sometimes
help
human
"protect" a
【在 v****e 的大作中提到】
: kids are meant to become more confused each day. Parents' job is not to help
: them avoid that, but guide them through that. the world is confusing. human
: society is a complex and crazy place. the only way to perfectly "protect" a
: k
: id is to not bring her/him to this world at all.
:
: kids
: influence.
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s*******g
发帖数: 1607 | 38 then are people with diseases who can't reproduce prohibited from marriage?
what about old people who can't reproduce?
if the ability to reproduce is a requirement for marriage, then those people
above cannot get married
or
bit
there'
【在 T******T 的大作中提到】
: Sorry, can not agree, homo-sexuality is NOT normal, period, we humans are
: designed to pro-create hetero-sexually, don't care how one sugar coats it or
: trying to force me to say that it is normal by some stupid ass law.
: Like I said, it is not about the same-sex marriage, straights gotta be a bit
: more far-sighted, it is ultimately about their final agenda, that being
: straight as a social norm is somehow wrong. When that day comes, then there'
: s really something wrong with our society.
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k*****e
发帖数: 22013 | 39 你先自己给nature下个定义：一男一女
然后再从你自己的定义出发：来定义什么是against the nature。
你给nature下的定义可靠不可靠呢？
要说什么是nature，猴子是一只公猴交配一群母猴，一夫多妻才是nature，
早在婚姻没有出现之前，生育是通过部落之间群交来进行的，群婚制才是nature，
一夫一妻也是defying this nature.
婚姻没出现之前生育生得好好的，婚姻的出现可不是为了生育，而是为了限制生育。
因为男权社会里，父亲要保证财产继承给自己的孩子，才用婚姻来限制女性的性行为。
在母系社会里，这个问题不存在(女人生的孩子一定是自己的，不管跟多少男人交往)
因此就始终没有出现婚姻（比如现代摩梭人）
这种婚姻的原始意义早已经在历史潮流中变得面目全非了。(比如一夫多妻已被淘汰)
我们现在谈什么nature，什么婚姻的起源，对现代婚姻已经没有指导意义了。
具体请看：
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/QueerNews/12520307.html
different
marriage
nature.
【在 j**n 的大作中提到】
: Inter-racial marriage and same sex marriage are things of totally different
: nature. The origin of marriage is the union of opposite sexes to produce
: off-springs. There's always a male and a female. An inter-racial marriage
: is not defying this nature. Same sex union is obviously against this nature.
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s*******g
发帖数: 1607 | 40 i think this is the first time someone labeled me a liberal, have to laugh
at that haha
miscegenation
【在 T******T 的大作中提到】
: This whole attempt to establish a parallel with the history of miscegenation
: laws is aimed at brainwashing the liberals. It works obviously.
:
: different
: marriage
: nature.
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