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MedicalCareer版 - 找国内医学院毕业的医生是非常明智的选
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z*****2
发帖数: 498
1
这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
此我们简称CMG,
Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
育好于中
国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
家忽略的问题。八
十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
十个人中只有一
个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
得医生执照的医
生已经是精英里的精英。 不错,在美国医学生是精挑细选的, 但选择性远远低于CMG.
CMG医生最初是在中文环境下接受的医学教育,来美后考医生执照前需要把医学院的所
有课程用英语重学
上几遍。而印度,巴基斯坦等国的医学教育本身就用英文,因此他们的考试难度远远低
于CMG。更不像美
国医生,母语教学,执照考试辅导,在校时学完基础考基础,学完临床考临床, 而我
们的CMG医生往往
毕业多年,医学院学的课程多早已久远。也就是说CMG 医生的起跑线 (无论语言和毕
业年限)都 远在
美国和其他英语国家的医生之后,但结果却和他们同样到达了终点。由此可见,CMG医
生所付出的努力和
他们实际能力远高于美国医生的平均值。我曾问过好几位美国的医生,他们都认为凭
CMG 的自身条件能
考上美国医生的执照本身就是奇迹,换上美国人是难以想象的。
比起美国医生的训练,CMG医生更广泛和全面。因为他们多在中国已经受到国内住院医
生的训练,来美国
多年后又受到美国住院医生训练。不可不说是”overqualified“. 正是由于这种双重
的训练,他们
对于临床实践比起美国医生会有更深的理解和体验。尤其是他们那种跨越文化的独特的
临床经验和能力
则是多数美国医生所无法比拟的。
这里贴上这五千CMG医生的名单,http://physician.cmgforum.net . 记住他们会使你受益无
穷。
U******u
发帖数: 5829
2
agree.
s*******d
发帖数: 1079
3
我的妇产科医生就是个中国人,我心理特别踏实因为交流起来很方便,有什么问题都可
以问,回答解释的也能听的懂。

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
: 此我们简称CMG,
: Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
: 育好于中
: 国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
: 家忽略的问题。八
: 十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
: 十个人中只有一
: 个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
: 得医生执照的医

s****i
发帖数: 23
4
Agree!!
f****b
发帖数: 2410
5
要花大力量宣传,和教育,要设基金做宣传,中国人盲目性很强,
要让他们知道,这里的中国人的医生才是他们的医生,

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
: 此我们简称CMG,
: Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
: 育好于中
: 国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
: 家忽略的问题。八
: 十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
: 十个人中只有一
: 个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
: 得医生执照的医

c***y
发帖数: 811
6
很有用的网站,我找到我们这里的中国医生的名单了.
谢谢/

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
: 此我们简称CMG,
: Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
: 育好于中
: 国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
: 家忽略的问题。八
: 十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
: 十个人中只有一
: 个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
: 得医生执照的医

f*****w
发帖数: 1451
7
support!!!
U******u
发帖数: 5829
8
有更多CMG进去住院并出来行医才是根本!
这也是为何我要花这么多精力于此!

【在 f****b 的大作中提到】
: 要花大力量宣传,和教育,要设基金做宣传,中国人盲目性很强,
: 要让他们知道,这里的中国人的医生才是他们的医生,

a**********e
发帖数: 111
9
ding
m****8
发帖数: 419
10
I feel the problem with amg is that you don't care about the patients from
the bottom of the heart.
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S******Q
发帖数: 475
11
大部分中国人不都是哭着喊着要找老中医生的吗?不过,话说回来,当个医生真的没必要
非得是什么精英.只要不太蠢就足够了.
V**y
发帖数: 788
12
在这骂街是很耗精力..

【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: 有更多CMG进去住院并出来行医才是根本!
: 这也是为何我要花这么多精力于此!

s*******w
发帖数: 1879
13
好厉害的名单啊。
好奇去查了查认识的几个人,资料都是准确无误的。
l****o
发帖数: 40
14
我的家庭医生被戏称为世界上最棒的住院医生,有道理!国内多年,国外多年住院医。
s******n
发帖数: 2279
15
这5千医生回国可以建几十家美式医院和几所美式医学院了
l***c
发帖数: 199
16
asdf

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
: 此我们简称CMG,
: Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
: 育好于中
: 国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
: 家忽略的问题。八
: 十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
: 十个人中只有一
: 个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
: 得医生执照的医

b********y
发帖数: 3507
17
ding
J*******6
发帖数: 72
18
并不是所有来美国的5万医学生都想摸病人的屁股, 闻阴道的恶臭。
还有人想创业, 想当教授, 想出名。想回国当官, 当人上人。
money is not every thing.

【在 l***c 的大作中提到】
: asdf
c****8
发帖数: 95
19
话糙理不糙

【在 J*******6 的大作中提到】
: 并不是所有来美国的5万医学生都想摸病人的屁股, 闻阴道的恶臭。
: 还有人想创业, 想当教授, 想出名。想回国当官, 当人上人。
: money is not every thing.

m*******1
发帖数: 229
20
Good post! support!

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
: 此我们简称CMG,
: Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
: 育好于中
: 国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
: 家忽略的问题。八
: 十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
: 十个人中只有一
: 个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
: 得医生执照的医

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IM-Match-基本没有动静?象DUKE, UNC这样的有必要申请吗?
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s******n
发帖数: 2279
21
晕,我想中国泌尿科普外科妇产科的主任委员级别的大牛们在看专家会诊特需门诊的时
候也是要做这些事情的吧

【在 J*******6 的大作中提到】
: 并不是所有来美国的5万医学生都想摸病人的屁股, 闻阴道的恶臭。
: 还有人想创业, 想当教授, 想出名。想回国当官, 当人上人。
: money is not every thing.

b*******n
发帖数: 605
22
在这个里面找到大学同学了
f*********r
发帖数: 1233
23
华人医生(改革开放以后,在国内拿医学学位,到美国考取执照的这一种,下同),专
业技能与临床经验没有大的缺陷,甚至很强。但是华人医生绝大多数是“技术型知识分
子”,存在很多严重的缺陷和问题。我们不谈这些问题对于他们自己(的自身发展)起
了什么样的负面作用,只说对患者不利的方面。
情商不足。情商很高的,尤其是90年代00年代参加工作的,在国内都混得很好,用不着
出来受这份罪。出来行医的,多少都自视清高。不会、也不愿在病人面前“扮演”好这
个角色。他们只关心技术问题。病人跟这样的医生交流,轻则很费劲,很不爽。严重的
时候,会影响医患合作与疾病的诊治。
楼主也说了,华人大夫是历经磨难,扒了几层皮,才走到今天的。这种精神和肉体上的
折磨,确实恐怖。走过来的华人医生,多多少少都有心理阴影。这种内心的纠结、挣扎
与扭曲伴随整个后半生。当年有句话与这种情况类似:文革时候受过刺激。医生如果是
这种人,就算医术再高,也不是好事。
华人医生是这个行业中的弱势群体。城门失火,殃及池鱼。患者有可能受连累。尤其是
与老美医生分享(更确切地说,是抢占)医疗资源的时候。这点跟律师行业有点象。
华人医生没有经过多年的行业潜规则教育。拿捏不准尺度。容易走两个极端,要么太过
火,要么谨小慎微。就象华人司机开车一样,要么还是国内那样抢,要么不敢开,后面
堵一路。
华人医生歧视华人比老外医生甚。如果他条件有限精力有限或者别的什么情况,需要取
舍,他的天平多半先向老外患者倾斜。
大概就是这个意思。大家自己心里自己掂量。
b****d
发帖数: 240
24
华人医生歧视华人比老外医生甚。如果他条件有限精力有限或者别的什么情况,需要取舍,他的天平多半先向老外患者倾斜。
Proportionally more American doctors take medi-aid patients even though most of them have student loans to pay off. Medi-aid is a government program for poor people. The reimbursement rate is very low. Doctors actually lose money on these patients. All I can say is that my parents were turned away by Chinese doctors.
Hope people here have big hearts. But some people put status and money on top of everything else. The fewer of these people, the better for the world.

【在 f*********r 的大作中提到】
: 华人医生(改革开放以后,在国内拿医学学位,到美国考取执照的这一种,下同),专
: 业技能与临床经验没有大的缺陷,甚至很强。但是华人医生绝大多数是“技术型知识分
: 子”,存在很多严重的缺陷和问题。我们不谈这些问题对于他们自己(的自身发展)起
: 了什么样的负面作用,只说对患者不利的方面。
: 情商不足。情商很高的,尤其是90年代00年代参加工作的,在国内都混得很好,用不着
: 出来受这份罪。出来行医的,多少都自视清高。不会、也不愿在病人面前“扮演”好这
: 个角色。他们只关心技术问题。病人跟这样的医生交流,轻则很费劲,很不爽。严重的
: 时候,会影响医患合作与疾病的诊治。
: 楼主也说了,华人大夫是历经磨难,扒了几层皮,才走到今天的。这种精神和肉体上的
: 折磨,确实恐怖。走过来的华人医生,多多少少都有心理阴影。这种内心的纠结、挣扎

b****d
发帖数: 240
25
Why?

【在 s******n 的大作中提到】
: 这5千医生回国可以建几十家美式医院和几所美式医学院了
t***y
发帖数: 2276
26
OMG. 这个是本年度医版最恶毒的回复了。
“并不是所有来美国的5万医学生都想摸病人的屁股, 闻阴道的恶臭。”
您完全可以说:“并不是所有来美国的5万医学生都想从事临床工作的。”
言简意赅,不好吗?为什么要写的那么的....
其实如果有机会摸摸Lady GAGA 或 Taylor Swift的臀部,并不是非常难受的事情。您
以为如何?

【在 J*******6 的大作中提到】
: 并不是所有来美国的5万医学生都想摸病人的屁股, 闻阴道的恶臭。
: 还有人想创业, 想当教授, 想出名。想回国当官, 当人上人。
: money is not every thing.

k**********n
发帖数: 438
27
How did you get this, how many CMG physicians did you see?
The residency training here is very strict and somewhat brutal, however,
most of us are proud of our training experience and we feel it fulfilling
and enjoyable. communication skills is part of training as well, I am
confident that I care my patients well both at mental and physical level.
Patients usually left reassured and smiling, regardless they are yellow,
white, or black...

但是华人医生绝大多数是“技术型知识分: 子”,存在很多严重的缺陷和问题。我们不
谈这些问题对于他们自己(的自身发展)起了什么样的负面作用,只说对患者不利的方
面。

【在 f*********r 的大作中提到】
: 华人医生(改革开放以后,在国内拿医学学位,到美国考取执照的这一种,下同),专
: 业技能与临床经验没有大的缺陷,甚至很强。但是华人医生绝大多数是“技术型知识分
: 子”,存在很多严重的缺陷和问题。我们不谈这些问题对于他们自己(的自身发展)起
: 了什么样的负面作用,只说对患者不利的方面。
: 情商不足。情商很高的,尤其是90年代00年代参加工作的,在国内都混得很好,用不着
: 出来受这份罪。出来行医的,多少都自视清高。不会、也不愿在病人面前“扮演”好这
: 个角色。他们只关心技术问题。病人跟这样的医生交流,轻则很费劲,很不爽。严重的
: 时候,会影响医患合作与疾病的诊治。
: 楼主也说了,华人大夫是历经磨难,扒了几层皮,才走到今天的。这种精神和肉体上的
: 折磨,确实恐怖。走过来的华人医生,多多少少都有心理阴影。这种内心的纠结、挣扎

z**********8
发帖数: 766
28
Good reply

【在 t***y 的大作中提到】
: OMG. 这个是本年度医版最恶毒的回复了。
: “并不是所有来美国的5万医学生都想摸病人的屁股, 闻阴道的恶臭。”
: 您完全可以说:“并不是所有来美国的5万医学生都想从事临床工作的。”
: 言简意赅,不好吗?为什么要写的那么的....
: 其实如果有机会摸摸Lady GAGA 或 Taylor Swift的臀部,并不是非常难受的事情。您
: 以为如何?

b****d
发帖数: 240
29
Sorry to break it to you. It can only happen in ur dream.

【在 t***y 的大作中提到】
: OMG. 这个是本年度医版最恶毒的回复了。
: “并不是所有来美国的5万医学生都想摸病人的屁股, 闻阴道的恶臭。”
: 您完全可以说:“并不是所有来美国的5万医学生都想从事临床工作的。”
: 言简意赅,不好吗?为什么要写的那么的....
: 其实如果有机会摸摸Lady GAGA 或 Taylor Swift的臀部,并不是非常难受的事情。您
: 以为如何?

b*******1
发帖数: 127
30
中国医生,特别是在国内行过医的,技术比较好因为看过很多病人,但经常不遵守
guideline. 或许是因为在国内要看太多病人。我吃过大亏。总的来说,我还是喜欢找
懂中文的医生,毕竟交流方便,但我的确更喜欢小时候来的,在这读书的。
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b****d
发帖数: 240
31
urban legend.

【在 b*******1 的大作中提到】
: 中国医生,特别是在国内行过医的,技术比较好因为看过很多病人,但经常不遵守
: guideline. 或许是因为在国内要看太多病人。我吃过大亏。总的来说,我还是喜欢找
: 懂中文的医生,毕竟交流方便,但我的确更喜欢小时候来的,在这读书的。

g**a
发帖数: 953
32
挺同意的
y********o
发帖数: 9263
33
很好很强大!存档了!
b****d
发帖数: 240
34
still no need to talk down fellow American doctors. after all, most of the new treatments, new devices, new drugs are innovated by the Americans. be grateful that Chinese subsidized our education and Americans are generous enough to take us in.

【在 k**********n 的大作中提到】
: How did you get this, how many CMG physicians did you see?
: The residency training here is very strict and somewhat brutal, however,
: most of us are proud of our training experience and we feel it fulfilling
: and enjoyable. communication skills is part of training as well, I am
: confident that I care my patients well both at mental and physical level.
: Patients usually left reassured and smiling, regardless they are yellow,
: white, or black...
:
: 但是华人医生绝大多数是“技术型知识分: 子”,存在很多严重的缺陷和问题。我们不
: 谈这些问题对于他们自己(的自身发展)起了什么样的负面作用,只说对患者不利的方

k**********n
发帖数: 438
35
From which word that you feel I am talking down to American doctors? Doctors
always resepect each other, this is part of professionalism.
I am always grateful to my home country for raising me up and educating me,
and I am grateful to US as well to allow me have the most advanced medical
training and continue my medical career.

the

【在 b****d 的大作中提到】
: still no need to talk down fellow American doctors. after all, most of the new treatments, new devices, new drugs are innovated by the Americans. be grateful that Chinese subsidized our education and Americans are generous enough to take us in.
b****d
发帖数: 240
36
Dont take it personally. It wasnt meant to you. You are a good guy. Humble, hard working, caring. Some1 I look up 2.
"比起美国医生的训练,CMG医生更广泛和全面。因为他们多在中国已经受到国内住院医生的训练,来美国多年后又受到美国住院医生训练。不可不说是”overqualified."
For the sake of argument, if you choose your doctors based on the graduation year, which is a criterion I use often, CMGs class 1982 are overqualified than AMGs class 1982 because ?????
Chinese residency training vs real life working experience. hard call to claim 1 over the other. especially many chose a different specialty or have not done any residency in china.
Really no need to make up stuff to justify the existence of CMGs. Just try our best and be a generous person.
"八十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是十个人中只有一个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了.而这五千取得医生执照的医生已经是精英里的精英."
Many of the CMGs are VPs, directors, academy members or full professors and are very successful in both academia and industry. Some of the great moms decide to take care of their kids at home. Are the 90% the USMLE washouts? Everyone can make it to the residency if he/she wants to, right? So, whats so special about these 10%?
On the contrary, if you insist on comparing the 10% vs the 90%, the result could be the opposite. Lets just leave it here without going to offend anyone. Demeaning of any group should not be applauded.
'尤其是他们那种跨越文化的独特的
临床经验和能力
则是多数美国医生所无法比拟的。"
I have not practiced in China. But based on others' comments, it could be a hindrance rather than a plus.
All the stuff about language, which is actually a minus. Dont know how it got converted to a plus.
The only thing good is the Chinese Physician Directory. Although it is a repost, some people didnt know be4. Good resource to find OB positions.
All I can say is this post is in the delete category. It is not something MEDI should support.
Be4 people go Oh Ye! Just because the title makes you feel good and it was endorsed by some big shots. Read it through 1st, will ya?
This post is on the front page. I am embarrassed by the support and posting of this by CMGs. Perhaps I should quit coming here and being the buzzkill for all the overzealous CMGs. But someone needs to keep a cool head.

Doctors
,

【在 k**********n 的大作中提到】
: From which word that you feel I am talking down to American doctors? Doctors
: always resepect each other, this is part of professionalism.
: I am always grateful to my home country for raising me up and educating me,
: and I am grateful to US as well to allow me have the most advanced medical
: training and continue my medical career.
:
: the

M*****8
发帖数: 17722
37

赞同。
有些太骄傲了,变成根本不能客观。
严重的还自以为是,不肯多花时间讨论。
结果是犯错也不承认,因为不屑病人的回馈。
这基本就缺乏和脱离了科学精神,能多本领?
也许是太急功近利,太看重时间的金钱价值。

【在 f*********r 的大作中提到】
: 华人医生(改革开放以后,在国内拿医学学位,到美国考取执照的这一种,下同),专
: 业技能与临床经验没有大的缺陷,甚至很强。但是华人医生绝大多数是“技术型知识分
: 子”,存在很多严重的缺陷和问题。我们不谈这些问题对于他们自己(的自身发展)起
: 了什么样的负面作用,只说对患者不利的方面。
: 情商不足。情商很高的,尤其是90年代00年代参加工作的,在国内都混得很好,用不着
: 出来受这份罪。出来行医的,多少都自视清高。不会、也不愿在病人面前“扮演”好这
: 个角色。他们只关心技术问题。病人跟这样的医生交流,轻则很费劲,很不爽。严重的
: 时候,会影响医患合作与疾病的诊治。
: 楼主也说了,华人大夫是历经磨难,扒了几层皮,才走到今天的。这种精神和肉体上的
: 折磨,确实恐怖。走过来的华人医生,多多少少都有心理阴影。这种内心的纠结、挣扎

z***b
发帖数: 4667
38
sp~

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
: 此我们简称CMG,
: Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
: 育好于中
: 国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
: 家忽略的问题。八
: 十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
: 十个人中只有一
: 个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
: 得医生执照的医

t*****3
发帖数: 878
39
反对。
几年前初到美国,一个穷学生,曾经找过一个中国的医生(北卡的女牙医,姓王)看牙
齿,找她就是因为她是中国人。我的牙的确好久没洗了,但她看的时候冷笑一声“你这
牙成这样了,也不洗洗”?还随意地敲了敲,整个过程那个态度你们可以想象。后来我
说想戴牙套,她说让我把我补得好好的牙给弄掉、重新再补一遍,理由是补牙的材料总
是要过些年换换的(当是换衣服啊)。当时我是学生,囊中羞涩,觉得这样下来花费太
大,所以没有弄这些。
后来经济上稍微宽裕一些,我又问及后来的牙医戴牙套要不要把过去补得好好的牙重新
敲下来再补,牙医说完全没必要,只要补得牙好好的,干什么闲着没事把过去的材料敲
下来再弄?为了确认,我又问过其它的牙医,完全没有那个医生的那种言论。我不由地
怀疑她是为了钱,想怂恿我把好好的牙材料敲下来再补一下,我希望这只是她个人的行
为,但这的确不由让我怀疑中国医生素质,这样敲我一个穷学生的钱(明明知道我没有
牙齿保险),真让人愤怒。
w**w
发帖数: 107
40
颇认识几个在美国行医的中国医生。
有几个还是很熟的朋友。其中一个还是80年代某省高考的状元,高我几届的老乡加校友。
但老实说,水平良莠不齐。
不过自以为是到楼主地步的,还没有一个。
说得好象国内行医的到美国最好的且唯一的一条路就是考医生一样。还好象难的像上太
空一样。
国内学生物,学基础医学,甚至学护士的,学电子工程的来美国考上医学院并最后行医
的,我都见过。
无非是个机遇加个人选择加投入产出的核算加生活style的选择之后的决定罢了。
和精英有个屁的关系哦。
在国内,特别是80年代正值90年代初,有几个最拔尖的是去医学院的?

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
: 此我们简称CMG,
: Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
: 育好于中
: 国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
: 家忽略的问题。八
: 十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
: 十个人中只有一
: 个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
: 得医生执照的医

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w**w
发帖数: 107
41
这种屁股,你莫得到么?
呵呵

【在 t***y 的大作中提到】
: OMG. 这个是本年度医版最恶毒的回复了。
: “并不是所有来美国的5万医学生都想摸病人的屁股, 闻阴道的恶臭。”
: 您完全可以说:“并不是所有来美国的5万医学生都想从事临床工作的。”
: 言简意赅,不好吗?为什么要写的那么的....
: 其实如果有机会摸摸Lady GAGA 或 Taylor Swift的臀部,并不是非常难受的事情。您
: 以为如何?

w**w
发帖数: 107
42
haha
说得好。
这斯确实喜欢骂街。倚老卖老,吹网球和装男人。
年纪这么大了,还火这么大,大到美国呆不住啊。
看过此人自爆,严重怀疑受了洋人欺侮,心里不平衡了,到网上来找回。
当然我们要善待这样的人,否则向老吴一样去手刃领导,那就是华人医学界的损失了,
哈哈。不过这个和我说的那个装,有冲突。想来不会吧。
老实说,现实中,我是不敢找这样说话,行为和态度的人给我看病的,只看病理都不想。

【在 V**y 的大作中提到】
: 在这骂街是很耗精力..
w**w
发帖数: 107
43
楼长说得好。
从本站id来看,就有些心理不正常的。偏执型人格。
我等着他自己跳出来爆粗口呢。:)

【在 f*********r 的大作中提到】
: 华人医生(改革开放以后,在国内拿医学学位,到美国考取执照的这一种,下同),专
: 业技能与临床经验没有大的缺陷,甚至很强。但是华人医生绝大多数是“技术型知识分
: 子”,存在很多严重的缺陷和问题。我们不谈这些问题对于他们自己(的自身发展)起
: 了什么样的负面作用,只说对患者不利的方面。
: 情商不足。情商很高的,尤其是90年代00年代参加工作的,在国内都混得很好,用不着
: 出来受这份罪。出来行医的,多少都自视清高。不会、也不愿在病人面前“扮演”好这
: 个角色。他们只关心技术问题。病人跟这样的医生交流,轻则很费劲,很不爽。严重的
: 时候,会影响医患合作与疾病的诊治。
: 楼主也说了,华人大夫是历经磨难,扒了几层皮,才走到今天的。这种精神和肉体上的
: 折磨,确实恐怖。走过来的华人医生,多多少少都有心理阴影。这种内心的纠结、挣扎

A***4
发帖数: 326
44
ding
t*****3
发帖数: 878
45
RE

友。

【在 w**w 的大作中提到】
: 颇认识几个在美国行医的中国医生。
: 有几个还是很熟的朋友。其中一个还是80年代某省高考的状元,高我几届的老乡加校友。
: 但老实说,水平良莠不齐。
: 不过自以为是到楼主地步的,还没有一个。
: 说得好象国内行医的到美国最好的且唯一的一条路就是考医生一样。还好象难的像上太
: 空一样。
: 国内学生物,学基础医学,甚至学护士的,学电子工程的来美国考上医学院并最后行医
: 的,我都见过。
: 无非是个机遇加个人选择加投入产出的核算加生活style的选择之后的决定罢了。
: 和精英有个屁的关系哦。

d********o
发帖数: 1738
46
re
b*******n
发帖数: 605
47
You said what I thought...
Support!

Humble, hard working, caring. Some1 I
look up 2.
医生的训练,来美国多年后又受到
美国住院医生训练。不可不说是”overqualified."
graduation year, which is a criterion I use
often, CMGs class 1982 are overqualified than AMGs class 1982 because ?????
claim 1 over the other. especially
many chose a different specialty or have not done any residency in china.
try our best and be a generous person.
也就是十个人中只有一个人取得医生执
照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了.而这五千取得医生执照的医生
已经是精英里的精英."
and are very successful in both
academia and industry. Some of the great moms decide to take care of
their kids at home. Are the 90% the
USMLE washouts? Everyone can make it to the residency if he/she wants to,
right? So, whats so special about
these 10%?
could be the opposite. Lets just
leave it here without going to offend anyone. Demeaning of any group should
not be applauded.

【在 b****d 的大作中提到】
: Dont take it personally. It wasnt meant to you. You are a good guy. Humble, hard working, caring. Some1 I look up 2.
: "比起美国医生的训练,CMG医生更广泛和全面。因为他们多在中国已经受到国内住院医生的训练,来美国多年后又受到美国住院医生训练。不可不说是”overqualified."
: For the sake of argument, if you choose your doctors based on the graduation year, which is a criterion I use often, CMGs class 1982 are overqualified than AMGs class 1982 because ?????
: Chinese residency training vs real life working experience. hard call to claim 1 over the other. especially many chose a different specialty or have not done any residency in china.
: Really no need to make up stuff to justify the existence of CMGs. Just try our best and be a generous person.
: "八十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是十个人中只有一个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了.而这五千取得医生执照的医生已经是精英里的精英."
: Many of the CMGs are VPs, directors, academy members or full professors and are very successful in both academia and industry. Some of the great moms decide to take care of their kids at home. Are the 90% the USMLE washouts? Everyone can make it to the residency if he/she wants to, right? So, whats so special about these 10%?
: On the contrary, if you insist on comparing the 10% vs the 90%, the result could be the opposite. Lets just leave it here without going to offend anyone. Demeaning of any group should not be applauded.
: '尤其是他们那种跨越文化的独特的
: 临床经验和能力

S******Q
发帖数: 475
48
作一个好医生最重要的三方面,知识面广,有COMMON SENSE, PASSIONATELY CARING.
第一条,我不认为国内医学院出来的知识面广.以前当住院医的时候经常有国内医生来观
摩,事实证明很多病他们都没有见过,听过.第二条中国教育体制出来的医学院毕业生多
以专研书本技术为己好,太执着的人容易丧失COMMON SENSE,第三条其实不是必须的,上
班多了多少都被打磨光了.但是中国人性格中庸沉稳,关注自己多于别人.所以起点就低.
其实说白了就是BOOK WORM SMART和WISE的区别.中国医生里面BOOK WORM SMART的比较
多.WISE的并不多见.
X*******8
发帖数: 3895
49
其实,绝大多数出国的医生只是因为他们有硕士或博士学位,其专业技能真的很低。而
真正专业技能好的,不愿做学术,一
心坐医生,则很少出国。我的那些师姐,师兄的,在国内都是专家,并不是因为他们经
验丰富,而是他们在坐博士了,就要
求上专家门诊。他们把时间花在所谓得做学术上,根本不可能同那些长期和病人打交道
得人比,另外,学术又因为有临床而
分心,学术也很一般。

【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】
: 我的妇产科医生就是个中国人,我心理特别踏实因为交流起来很方便,有什么问题都可
: 以问,回答解释的也能听的懂。

h******g
发帖数: 1521
50
这个有点像我们生物行业的中国老板了。我个人而言,平时一定要注意生活的健康一些
,尽量不见医生,实在要看医生,多做功课,不要像没头苍蝇一样找医生,网络,同事
,朋友,都是很好的信息来源,当然要是保险不行,那也没辙。还有就是对医学应该有
理性的期待度,医学能解决一些问题,医学解决不了的问题也很多,但是我可以想象人
在绝望紧迫之时,往往没了好好思考的能力。
医生说到底是服务性行业人员,你如果作为消费者不好好思考分析,当然会被他们搞,
如果你能接受医生亏你,那也没什么,如果你不能接受,那个就比较麻烦,劳神伤身啊。
中国医生,有好的有坏的,我最不能接受的是他们一些人的态度,老美医生就算虚伪,
但是你花钱,他们还是礼貌招呼你的,不让你觉得你好像低医生一等,你得求着医生。

【在 f*********r 的大作中提到】
: 华人医生(改革开放以后,在国内拿医学学位,到美国考取执照的这一种,下同),专
: 业技能与临床经验没有大的缺陷,甚至很强。但是华人医生绝大多数是“技术型知识分
: 子”,存在很多严重的缺陷和问题。我们不谈这些问题对于他们自己(的自身发展)起
: 了什么样的负面作用,只说对患者不利的方面。
: 情商不足。情商很高的,尤其是90年代00年代参加工作的,在国内都混得很好,用不着
: 出来受这份罪。出来行医的,多少都自视清高。不会、也不愿在病人面前“扮演”好这
: 个角色。他们只关心技术问题。病人跟这样的医生交流,轻则很费劲,很不爽。严重的
: 时候,会影响医患合作与疾病的诊治。
: 楼主也说了,华人大夫是历经磨难,扒了几层皮,才走到今天的。这种精神和肉体上的
: 折磨,确实恐怖。走过来的华人医生,多多少少都有心理阴影。这种内心的纠结、挣扎

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X*****u
发帖数: 1780
51
RE
C*********0
发帖数: 69
52
我看你倒是个心理变态,极度扭曲之人。
另,“学生物,学基础医学,甚至学护士的,学电子工程”考上医学院 与楼主所说是
两回事,。只要符合美国医学院的招生标准,考上了的的确大有其人,国内教育背景五
花八门, 不足为奇。这些人也有一些,是值得鼓励的。。
CMG 群体与其他族裔比,还是有很大差距的。LZ 花时间精力建了这个网站,对此是有
益的。

【在 w**w 的大作中提到】
: 楼长说得好。
: 从本站id来看,就有些心理不正常的。偏执型人格。
: 我等着他自己跳出来爆粗口呢。:)

a****9
发帖数: 773
53
In the morning round today at a famous teaching hosptial, a AMG can not even
correctly read ABG....lol. can you believe it???
a****9
发帖数: 773
54
You r so sick and u must be very old....

【在 f*********r 的大作中提到】
: 华人医生(改革开放以后,在国内拿医学学位,到美国考取执照的这一种,下同),专
: 业技能与临床经验没有大的缺陷,甚至很强。但是华人医生绝大多数是“技术型知识分
: 子”,存在很多严重的缺陷和问题。我们不谈这些问题对于他们自己(的自身发展)起
: 了什么样的负面作用,只说对患者不利的方面。
: 情商不足。情商很高的,尤其是90年代00年代参加工作的,在国内都混得很好,用不着
: 出来受这份罪。出来行医的,多少都自视清高。不会、也不愿在病人面前“扮演”好这
: 个角色。他们只关心技术问题。病人跟这样的医生交流,轻则很费劲,很不爽。严重的
: 时候,会影响医患合作与疾病的诊治。
: 楼主也说了,华人大夫是历经磨难,扒了几层皮,才走到今天的。这种精神和肉体上的
: 折磨,确实恐怖。走过来的华人医生,多多少少都有心理阴影。这种内心的纠结、挣扎

a****9
发帖数: 773
55
Actually many of them now visit China and give lectures there more and more
frequently. Good people know how to love their country and how to give
instead of take.

【在 s******n 的大作中提到】
: 这5千医生回国可以建几十家美式医院和几所美式医学院了
b****d
发帖数: 240
56
Your dear Doc USMedEdu was cursing me the whole day yesterday. Cursed me more after I apologized to him. After I knew he was laid off, I apologized again. Then came something like 'you will never match after you finish your exams'. More mockery about my English. With his follower medical01. Very filthy scum was spit out from their mouths. Then, the Dear Doc bragged: I am so thrilled to know the wife of the ex-boss who fired me left him, I am making 3 times more money. What kind of person takes others' pain as his pleasure? What kind of person refuses apology. What kind of person cant spell and yet mock others' English. Your complacency of his behavior isnt helping him.
He loves LZ's post because he thinks so highly of himself. He thinks he is the special 10%, the elite of the elite. He cant compete with his peers. This is a place he can take pleasure in.

【在 C*********0 的大作中提到】
: 我看你倒是个心理变态,极度扭曲之人。
: 另,“学生物,学基础医学,甚至学护士的,学电子工程”考上医学院 与楼主所说是
: 两回事,。只要符合美国医学院的招生标准,考上了的的确大有其人,国内教育背景五
: 花八门, 不足为奇。这些人也有一些,是值得鼓励的。。
: CMG 群体与其他族裔比,还是有很大差距的。LZ 花时间精力建了这个网站,对此是有
: 益的。

c*****k
发帖数: 667
57
找家庭医生,是不是找里面的family medicine?

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
: 此我们简称CMG,
: Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
: 育好于中
: 国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
: 家忽略的问题。八
: 十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
: 十个人中只有一
: 个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
: 得医生执照的医

b****d
发帖数: 240
58
So, you think Chinese education isnt on par with the Americans?
It is a long leap to project one AMG who stumbled on one word on the whole
AMG group and claim the superiority of the CMGs.
After all, Chinese has not been as innovative. We are catching up. We
should work doubly as hard. But I have great respects to the Americans.
They are not only smart but also very generous.

more

【在 a****9 的大作中提到】
: Actually many of them now visit China and give lectures there more and more
: frequently. Good people know how to love their country and how to give
: instead of take.

h******g
发帖数: 1521
59
啥是ABG?医生里面也没有技术完人的,现在分科分的厉害,好多功成名就的大医生,
换个科也显的知识缺乏。不过那个美国住院医可能基本知识是不大扎实,但是还是那句
话,人哪能不犯错,能够指出来或者帮人改正就是好的,就像你这句话里面我觉得“a
AMG”改用“an AMG ” 比较合适。你如果觉得美国住院医不如中国的,我觉得论据需
要更多,就像老美说外国住院医都是质量很差的,你看连话都说不利索,我觉得不可信
,论据不充分。

even

【在 a****9 的大作中提到】
: In the morning round today at a famous teaching hosptial, a AMG can not even
: correctly read ABG....lol. can you believe it???

a****9
发帖数: 773
60
I hope that one day, when you become a doctor, you could take care of the
paupers really nicely.
Btw, I doubt if AMGs really are willing to take medicaid pts. None of the
AMG Docs I know in person accept medicaid. They all against O8, they curse
O8 Qd+prn. They told me, no matter what specialty you choose, try to be the
best, so you don't need to take insurance, you can see only lawyers, banker,
....those who can pay you $500 per hour out-of-the-pocket.

取舍,他的天平多半先向老外患者倾斜。
most of them have student loans to pay off. Medi-aid is a government
program for poor people. The reimbursement rate is very low. Doctors
actually lose money on these patients. All I can say is that my parents
were turned away by Chinese doctors.
top of everything else. The fewer of these people, the better for the
world.

【在 b****d 的大作中提到】
: 华人医生歧视华人比老外医生甚。如果他条件有限精力有限或者别的什么情况,需要取舍,他的天平多半先向老外患者倾斜。
: Proportionally more American doctors take medi-aid patients even though most of them have student loans to pay off. Medi-aid is a government program for poor people. The reimbursement rate is very low. Doctors actually lose money on these patients. All I can say is that my parents were turned away by Chinese doctors.
: Hope people here have big hearts. But some people put status and money on top of everything else. The fewer of these people, the better for the world.

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b****d
发帖数: 240
61
Big Ego and Mean Spirit should not be the traits of CMGs.
The culture of this board is moving to the wrong direction.

a

【在 h******g 的大作中提到】
: 啥是ABG?医生里面也没有技术完人的,现在分科分的厉害,好多功成名就的大医生,
: 换个科也显的知识缺乏。不过那个美国住院医可能基本知识是不大扎实,但是还是那句
: 话,人哪能不犯错,能够指出来或者帮人改正就是好的,就像你这句话里面我觉得“a
: AMG”改用“an AMG ” 比较合适。你如果觉得美国住院医不如中国的,我觉得论据需
: 要更多,就像老美说外国住院医都是质量很差的,你看连话都说不利索,我觉得不可信
: ,论据不充分。
:
: even

b****d
发帖数: 240
62
Birds of a feather flock together.
CMGs got subsidized education from Chinese. Americans are generous enough
to take us in. All you think of is money, money, how to make more money.

the
banker,

【在 a****9 的大作中提到】
: I hope that one day, when you become a doctor, you could take care of the
: paupers really nicely.
: Btw, I doubt if AMGs really are willing to take medicaid pts. None of the
: AMG Docs I know in person accept medicaid. They all against O8, they curse
: O8 Qd+prn. They told me, no matter what specialty you choose, try to be the
: best, so you don't need to take insurance, you can see only lawyers, banker,
: ....those who can pay you $500 per hour out-of-the-pocket.
:
: 取舍,他的天平多半先向老外患者倾斜。
: most of them have student loans to pay off. Medi-aid is a government

C*********0
发帖数: 69
63
我不知道你为何回复,因为我觉我的帖子与你所诉irrelevant。 不知你和“woow" 是
否是同一人with different IDs.
我看了你的一些posts,我的劝告是:如果你已经从BM变成了US MD, 那就做好你的本职
工作,在你精力和心力有余的时候,给那些还未变为MD的同胞帮助。如果你还没有
become MD yet, then you may need to concentrate on your USMLE and not to
stay here to argue with somebody for something nonsense.

Cursed me more after I apologized to him. After I knew he was laid off, I
apologized again. Then came something like 'you will never match after you
finish your exams'. More mockery about my English. With his follower
medical01. Very filthy scum was spit out from their mouths. Then, the Dear
Doc wrote: I am so thrilled to know the wife of the ex-boss who fired me
left him. Your complacency of his behavior isnt helping h: im.

【在 b****d 的大作中提到】
: Your dear Doc USMedEdu was cursing me the whole day yesterday. Cursed me more after I apologized to him. After I knew he was laid off, I apologized again. Then came something like 'you will never match after you finish your exams'. More mockery about my English. With his follower medical01. Very filthy scum was spit out from their mouths. Then, the Dear Doc bragged: I am so thrilled to know the wife of the ex-boss who fired me left him, I am making 3 times more money. What kind of person takes others' pain as his pleasure? What kind of person refuses apology. What kind of person cant spell and yet mock others' English. Your complacency of his behavior isnt helping him.
: He loves LZ's post because he thinks so highly of himself. He thinks he is the special 10%, the elite of the elite. He cant compete with his peers. This is a place he can take pleasure in.

b****d
发帖数: 240
64
Misunderstanding. But I should focus on my exams 4 sure.

you
Dear

【在 C*********0 的大作中提到】
: 我不知道你为何回复,因为我觉我的帖子与你所诉irrelevant。 不知你和“woow" 是
: 否是同一人with different IDs.
: 我看了你的一些posts,我的劝告是:如果你已经从BM变成了US MD, 那就做好你的本职
: 工作,在你精力和心力有余的时候,给那些还未变为MD的同胞帮助。如果你还没有
: become MD yet, then you may need to concentrate on your USMLE and not to
: stay here to argue with somebody for something nonsense.
:
: Cursed me more after I apologized to him. After I knew he was laid off, I
: apologized again. Then came something like 'you will never match after you
: finish your exams'. More mockery about my English. With his follower

z********3
发帖数: 1430
65
best info ever.
k*******n
发帖数: 8891
66
re
m*****s
发帖数: 2227
67
gg
k*******n
发帖数: 8891
68
re
k*******n
发帖数: 8891
69
re
s*******1
发帖数: 3820
70
我的医生也在这个名单上,但去看病开的药都不对头的,有一次我听人说去买了个非
otc的药居然有用!
我觉得这里的医生都不怎么样.
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F******g
发帖数: 375
71
同问这个问题,家庭医生该找哪个类别的?

【在 c*****k 的大作中提到】
: 找家庭医生,是不是找里面的family medicine?
a****9
发帖数: 773
72
I am sorry, "a AMG" is just a typo, I appologize for my carelessness.
However, a doctor who cannnot read ABG...I bet you won't want to be taken
care of by him/her if you r sick. Btw, sorry I did not know that you did not
know ABG is acid-base gas.
Btw, it's not an average program and an average AMG, it's US-news ranked
hosp and an PGY-1 AMG from an Ivy-league. I am not sure if u have had any
education in US. If u do, u should know many of the students, even in good
Us acutally are just so so. A few former classmates and co-workers in US
went to medical school, I know how smart they are. I don't wanna BSO or BS,
but believe me, Chinese students in US are no inferiorer. Language and
culture are the roadblocks. DrNewbie is way more ahead of many here on this
forum. On this point, we should learn from her. Also, being open-minded
means being willing to learn and think, but not to just believe whatever ppl
say and look down yourself.
For the whole pool, AMGs are better than CMGs. But how about AMGs in US and
CMGs in US. U can not tell withought objective data. Anyway, my point is
although AMGs have a higher start-point, if we CMGs work hard, we at least
have a CHANCE to catch them up.
Sometimes, I just cannot understand, why ppl can be so genrous to Xiaoxiao
but not Laodao. Why a mistake made by AMG is not a mistake?

a

【在 h******g 的大作中提到】
: 啥是ABG?医生里面也没有技术完人的,现在分科分的厉害,好多功成名就的大医生,
: 换个科也显的知识缺乏。不过那个美国住院医可能基本知识是不大扎实,但是还是那句
: 话,人哪能不犯错,能够指出来或者帮人改正就是好的,就像你这句话里面我觉得“a
: AMG”改用“an AMG ” 比较合适。你如果觉得美国住院医不如中国的,我觉得论据需
: 要更多,就像老美说外国住院医都是质量很差的,你看连话都说不利索,我觉得不可信
: ,论据不充分。
:
: even

a****9
发帖数: 773
73
I agree that they r smarter and more generous than you.

【在 b****d 的大作中提到】
: So, you think Chinese education isnt on par with the Americans?
: It is a long leap to project one AMG who stumbled on one word on the whole
: AMG group and claim the superiority of the CMGs.
: After all, Chinese has not been as innovative. We are catching up. We
: should work doubly as hard. But I have great respects to the Americans.
: They are not only smart but also very generous.
:
: more

a****9
发帖数: 773
74
Ur logical thinking ablity is ....Can u discriminate the objective and
subjective? "The AMG docs told me...." means that's their thoughts instead
of the objective's.
no wonder u spent 4 yrs prep and only got low 90s on step 1....I feel so
sorry for u...I pity u fool.

【在 b****d 的大作中提到】
: Birds of a feather flock together.
: CMGs got subsidized education from Chinese. Americans are generous enough
: to take us in. All you think of is money, money, how to make more money.
:
: the
: banker,

U******u
发帖数: 5829
75
why u spent so much time to argue w/ this trash?
u think u can convence a MD--mental disordered person here?
use your time wisely for your USMLE/match, not for such hopeless trash.
this guy is worthless for any one.

【在 a****9 的大作中提到】
: I agree that they r smarter and more generous than you.
a****9
发帖数: 773
76
Shame on me...for getting so emotional. And thank you so much for reminding.

【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: why u spent so much time to argue w/ this trash?
: u think u can convence a MD--mental disordered person here?
: use your time wisely for your USMLE/match, not for such hopeless trash.
: this guy is worthless for any one.

C*********0
发帖数: 69
77
“恭喜”你。你以后有病最好就买OTC 药好了。
By the way, “OTC” stands for “Over-the-counter drugs” and are the drugs
that are sold directly to a consumer without a prescription.
不知你这里“非otc的药”是什么意思?但愿是笔误。

【在 s*******1 的大作中提到】
: 我的医生也在这个名单上,但去看病开的药都不对头的,有一次我听人说去买了个非
: otc的药居然有用!
: 我觉得这里的医生都不怎么样.

S******Q
发帖数: 475
78
Can we at least pretend to be a civilized tribe?
b****d
发帖数: 240
79
Your dear Doc USMedEdu was cursing me the whole day yesterday. Cursed me
more after I apologized to him. After I knew he was laid off, I apologized
again. Then came something like 'you will never match after you finish your
exams'. More mockery about my English. With his follower medical01. Very
filthy scum was spit out from their mouths. Then, the Dear Doc bragged: I
am so thrilled to know the wife of my ex-boss who fired me left him, I am
making 3 times more money. What kind of person takes others' pain as his
pleasure? What kind of person refuses apology. What kind of person cant
spell and yet mock others' English. Your complacency of his behavior isnt
helping him. And he is leading his followers into a bunch who love to swear,
curse, take pleasure on others' suffering, take pleasure on others' low
scores.
He loves LZ's post and takes pride in leading his folowers because he thinks
so highly of himself. He thinks he is the special 10%, the elite of the
elite. Yet, he cant compete with his peers. This is a place he can take
pleasure in.

【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: why u spent so much time to argue w/ this trash?
: u think u can convence a MD--mental disordered person here?
: use your time wisely for your USMLE/match, not for such hopeless trash.
: this guy is worthless for any one.

d********y
发帖数: 6566
80
this website is good, thanks.

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
: 此我们简称CMG,
: Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
: 育好于中
: 国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
: 家忽略的问题。八
: 十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
: 十个人中只有一
: 个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
: 得医生执照的医

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y*****w
发帖数: 1350
81
Don't agree. Dr. Ching Li, an orphthalmologist in Anderson, Indiana, is not
in the database. Another thing is how to keep the list as most updated as
possible -- a lot of CMG physicians moved to other states after getting
licensed in their original state.

【在 s*******w 的大作中提到】
: 好厉害的名单啊。
: 好奇去查了查认识的几个人,资料都是准确无误的。

b****d
发帖数: 240
82
The only thing good about LZ's post.
The post is about an arrogant Chinese BM who brags about being the elite of the elite, a way of saying all his fellow Chinese medical graduates in the US are washouts if they do not become physicians.
From LZ, and applauded by USMedEdu many times over:
"八十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是十个人中只有一个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了.而这五千取得医生执照的医生已经是精英里的精英."
Many of the CMGs are VPs, directors, academy members or full professors and are very successful in both academia and industry. Some of the great moms decide to take care of their kids at home. Are the 90% the USMLE washouts? Everyone can make it to the residency if he/she wants to, right? So, whats so special about these 10%?
On the contrary, if you insist on comparing the 10% vs the 90%, the result could be the opposite. Lets just leave it here without going to offend anyone. Demeaning of any group should not be applauded.

【在 d********y 的大作中提到】
: this website is good, thanks.
h******g
发帖数: 1521
83
那个ABG是不是酸碱平衡那一块的,是有点搞,就像我以前学化学算那些个电解离子啥
啥的,有的时候也糊涂了。这个算是整个医学知识体系里面很小的一块,我不会因为某
个医生算不清这个就全面否定那个医生。临床医生很多是医匠,就是照本宣科的行医,
那个其实也没什么,效率有的时候还高。真正医学上的大师,都是做科研的,对自己那
一科是真的理解的深,肯钻研。我不觉得中国医生医术,医学知识上比美国人差,毕竟
医学院教的那些全世界都差不多,中国人在学习上一般还是成绩很好的。但是医生因为
是服务性行业,跟人打交道的,不是光有医术就行的,再加上好多医学上的治疗跟本没
有证据证明是对的,是有效的,有的其实后来被证明是有害的,在这样的情况下,一个
在人文上比较强的医生对病人来说还是好的。美国有的医学院一直在剔除基础学科课程
的比重,好多医学生进医学院之前修的物理化学等越来越少了,这个我不知道是好是坏。

not
,

【在 a****9 的大作中提到】
: I am sorry, "a AMG" is just a typo, I appologize for my carelessness.
: However, a doctor who cannnot read ABG...I bet you won't want to be taken
: care of by him/her if you r sick. Btw, sorry I did not know that you did not
: know ABG is acid-base gas.
: Btw, it's not an average program and an average AMG, it's US-news ranked
: hosp and an PGY-1 AMG from an Ivy-league. I am not sure if u have had any
: education in US. If u do, u should know many of the students, even in good
: Us acutally are just so so. A few former classmates and co-workers in US
: went to medical school, I know how smart they are. I don't wanna BSO or BS,
: but believe me, Chinese students in US are no inferiorer. Language and

z*****2
发帖数: 498
84
We are trying our best to collect and update... No doubt, some of CMG
Physicians are not collected yet, we encourage all CMG friends to contact
us for incorrect or outdated information.
By the way, I have checked out Dr Li Qing in Anderson IN, who graduated
from University Of Vermont College Of Medicine, she is not a CMG.

not
as

【在 y*****w 的大作中提到】
: Don't agree. Dr. Ching Li, an orphthalmologist in Anderson, Indiana, is not
: in the database. Another thing is how to keep the list as most updated as
: possible -- a lot of CMG physicians moved to other states after getting
: licensed in their original state.

b***n
发帖数: 46
85
CMG...? They should be fucked out.
One CMG ( Dr J.Jia ) touched my son's tongue without wearing gloves...
One CMG (Dr F.Gao ) dentist never cleans my face after operation...
They bring terrible habits here, they should be fucked out.
Some Chinese speaking doctors from Taiwan or Southeast Asia are better.
y*****w
发帖数: 1350
86
Dr. Ching Li had a medical degree from mainland China for sure. The medical
degree she got in Vermont is her second medical degree. I understand it's not your fault, because probably the database you used for search only showed the physicians' most recent medical school.

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: We are trying our best to collect and update... No doubt, some of CMG
: Physicians are not collected yet, we encourage all CMG friends to contact
: us for incorrect or outdated information.
: By the way, I have checked out Dr Li Qing in Anderson IN, who graduated
: from University Of Vermont College Of Medicine, she is not a CMG.
:
: not
: as

e*******7
发帖数: 922
87
sometimes, they just not so patient......
z*****2
发帖数: 498
88
Thank you for updating.. I have added her on.
S******Q
发帖数: 475
89
This is very interesting. How many physicians you know only take cash.
Almost impossible to survive.

the
banker,

【在 a****9 的大作中提到】
: I hope that one day, when you become a doctor, you could take care of the
: paupers really nicely.
: Btw, I doubt if AMGs really are willing to take medicaid pts. None of the
: AMG Docs I know in person accept medicaid. They all against O8, they curse
: O8 Qd+prn. They told me, no matter what specialty you choose, try to be the
: best, so you don't need to take insurance, you can see only lawyers, banker,
: ....those who can pay you $500 per hour out-of-the-pocket.
:
: 取舍,他的天平多半先向老外患者倾斜。
: most of them have student loans to pay off. Medi-aid is a government

b****d
发帖数: 240
90
People who make $500/hr do not have insurance and have to resort to cash?
Dope dealers?

【在 S******Q 的大作中提到】
: This is very interesting. How many physicians you know only take cash.
: Almost impossible to survive.
:
: the
: banker,

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h*********1
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91
去打一次针,抽一次血,就知道美国人的技术是多么的烂。所以理解了他们的麻醉师为
什么相对要比中国的好。。。。。

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
: 此我们简称CMG,
: Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
: 育好于中
: 国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
: 家忽略的问题。八
: 十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
: 十个人中只有一
: 个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
: 得医生执照的医

f**e
发帖数: 890
92
国内读医学院很难吗?没有贬低学医的意思,我一家除了我都是学医的。出来的都是精
英吗,或者说精英都出国了吗?中国有很多好医生,不是只是因为毕业的学校好,而是
当医生之后的各种病例见的多。来美国的可能就丢到了这个很重要的一块。我父亲六十
年代医学院毕业的,成分不好,直接去了很基层的地方,学内科的,到了地方,因为缺
医生,最后小的手术都要做,急诊里更是救了不少人。现在没这么夸张,但是中国的好
医生看的病人太多了。同样学校毕业的,有没有经过这么多年大量的病例,过几年还是
差距很大的。我父亲认为在基层的那些年对于他以后事业的成功至关重要。还有各个行
业都一样,很多优秀的出国了,也有很多优秀的留国内了。精英论吗,不敢苟同。

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
: 此我们简称CMG,
: Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
: 育好于中
: 国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
: 家忽略的问题。八
: 十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
: 十个人中只有一
: 个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
: 得医生执照的医

h******g
发帖数: 1521
93
你这个好像没有普遍性,我个人的经历是美国人的技术挺好,我的血管特细,在国内献
血时的护士阿姨就挺为难的,这边抽血不管白的黑的,都是一针见血,干净利落。我一
般抽血检查后都会留下乌青,在这边上次一个黑女给我抽,后来针眼很干净没青。我在
这边用牙医很多,国内的也是,感觉这边牙医技术服务比我在国内的好,但是国内的价
格便宜。我实验室的同事以前在医院干过检验科的技术员,就是现在还是抽血很好,很
多技术就是手生手熟的区别,这边你要是碰到的人长期干这个,技术就特好,这边好多
病人的情况复杂,黑的,白的,黄的各种肤色都有,特胖的人也很常见,有些护士或者
医技人员的技术真的不错,我觉得国内干的多的老手也不一定能应付这种复杂性。

【在 h*********1 的大作中提到】
: 去打一次针,抽一次血,就知道美国人的技术是多么的烂。所以理解了他们的麻醉师为
: 什么相对要比中国的好。。。。。

S******Q
发帖数: 475
94
凡是一说事中国的多么的好/烂,美国的多么的好/烂的都是瞎咋呼,以偏盖全.两边都是
精的有,蠢的也不少.美国这边好点是起码有个职业道德观和荣誉感勒着嚼子.
S******Q
发帖数: 475
95
解放前学医的还是大部分是精英,象协和医院之类的都是高淘汰制度.能坐上协和院总的
都是学科最者名的带头人.

【在 f**e 的大作中提到】
: 国内读医学院很难吗?没有贬低学医的意思,我一家除了我都是学医的。出来的都是精
: 英吗,或者说精英都出国了吗?中国有很多好医生,不是只是因为毕业的学校好,而是
: 当医生之后的各种病例见的多。来美国的可能就丢到了这个很重要的一块。我父亲六十
: 年代医学院毕业的,成分不好,直接去了很基层的地方,学内科的,到了地方,因为缺
: 医生,最后小的手术都要做,急诊里更是救了不少人。现在没这么夸张,但是中国的好
: 医生看的病人太多了。同样学校毕业的,有没有经过这么多年大量的病例,过几年还是
: 差距很大的。我父亲认为在基层的那些年对于他以后事业的成功至关重要。还有各个行
: 业都一样,很多优秀的出国了,也有很多优秀的留国内了。精英论吗,不敢苟同。

b****d
发帖数: 240
96
From LZ, and applauded by USMedEdu many times over:
"八十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也
就是十个人中只有一个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的
精英了.而这五千取得医生执照的医生已经是精英里的精英."
Many of the CMGs are VPs, directors, academy members or full professors and are very successful in both academia and industry. Some of the great moms decide to take care of their kids at home. Are the 90% the USMLE washouts? Everyone can make it to the residency if he/she wants to, right? So, whats so special about these 10%?
On the contrary, if you insist on comparing the 10% vs the 90%, the result could be the opposite. Lets just leave it here without going to offend anyone. Demeaning of any group should not be applauded.
They are turning themselves into an arrogant group of people who are
intolerant with no manners whatsoever. Keep your heads down, and keep it low profile when we got subsidized education from fellow Chinese but leave the country to pursue better lives for ourselves. Of course, using Ph.D as a stepping stone isnt something we should be proud of. Taking the advantage of the system and shortcut to the MD with a bachelor degree is not something we take pride in. No need to blow the trumpet to the world how special we are, how high status the doctors possess.

【在 S******Q 的大作中提到】
: 凡是一说事中国的多么的好/烂,美国的多么的好/烂的都是瞎咋呼,以偏盖全.两边都是
: 精的有,蠢的也不少.美国这边好点是起码有个职业道德观和荣誉感勒着嚼子.

j*****p
发帖数: 24000
97
想当年,俺数理化里面物理最好,还代表省参加国家级物理奥赛拿了第三。
高考结果除了物理一门几乎满分以外,语文几乎不及格。结果第一志愿没得去,去了本
省的医科大学。班主任还很惋惜地说,其实你可以缓一年再考一次的。
俺觉得当年选医的决定还是很正确的。毕业以后还能保研,虽然没去,分配到省会三甲
也没去,在家里创业了。
中国人跟美国人对医生的看法不一样。我实习那会,就有病人家属围攻医院。我的带教
老师被迫休假一个星期。
z*****2
发帖数: 498
98
Normally 90% of CMG should be physician, 10% are medical scientists.
Unfortunately we are in reverse.

professors and are very successful in both academia and industry.
Some of the great moms decide to take care of their kids at home. Are
the 90% the USMLE washouts? Everyone can make it to the residency if
he/she wants to, right? So, whats so special about these 10%?
result could be the opposite. Lets just leave it here without going to
offend anyone. Demeaning of any group should not be applauded.
it low profile when we got subsidized education from fellow Chinese but
leave the country to pursue better lives for ourselves. Of course,
using Ph.D as a stepping stone isnt something we should be proud of.
Taking the advantage of the system and shortcut to the MD with a
bachelor degree is not something we take pride in. No need to blow the
trumpet to the world how special we are, how high status the doctors
possess.

【在 b****d 的大作中提到】
: From LZ, and applauded by USMedEdu many times over:
: "八十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也
: 就是十个人中只有一个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的
: 精英了.而这五千取得医生执照的医生已经是精英里的精英."
: Many of the CMGs are VPs, directors, academy members or full professors and are very successful in both academia and industry. Some of the great moms decide to take care of their kids at home. Are the 90% the USMLE washouts? Everyone can make it to the residency if he/she wants to, right? So, whats so special about these 10%?
: On the contrary, if you insist on comparing the 10% vs the 90%, the result could be the opposite. Lets just leave it here without going to offend anyone. Demeaning of any group should not be applauded.
: They are turning themselves into an arrogant group of people who are
: intolerant with no manners whatsoever. Keep your heads down, and keep it low profile when we got subsidized education from fellow Chinese but leave the country to pursue better lives for ourselves. Of course, using Ph.D as a stepping stone isnt something we should be proud of. Taking the advantage of the system and shortcut to the MD with a bachelor degree is not something we take pride in. No need to blow the trumpet to the world how special we are, how high status the doctors possess.

W***9
发帖数: 4834
99
not really

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
: 此我们简称CMG,
: Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
: 育好于中
: 国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
: 家忽略的问题。八
: 十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
: 十个人中只有一
: 个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
: 得医生执照的医

d**e
发帖数: 9591
100
###此帖已应当事人要求删除###

【在 f*********r 的大作中提到】
: 华人医生(改革开放以后,在国内拿医学学位,到美国考取执照的这一种,下同),专
: 业技能与临床经验没有大的缺陷,甚至很强。但是华人医生绝大多数是“技术型知识分
: 子”,存在很多严重的缺陷和问题。我们不谈这些问题对于他们自己(的自身发展)起
: 了什么样的负面作用,只说对患者不利的方面。
: 情商不足。情商很高的,尤其是90年代00年代参加工作的,在国内都混得很好,用不着
: 出来受这份罪。出来行医的,多少都自视清高。不会、也不愿在病人面前“扮演”好这
: 个角色。他们只关心技术问题。病人跟这样的医生交流,轻则很费劲,很不爽。严重的
: 时候,会影响医患合作与疾病的诊治。
: 楼主也说了,华人大夫是历经磨难,扒了几层皮,才走到今天的。这种精神和肉体上的
: 折磨,确实恐怖。走过来的华人医生,多多少少都有心理阴影。这种内心的纠结、挣扎

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d**e
发帖数: 9591
101
###此帖已应当事人要求删除###

【在 b****d 的大作中提到】
: From LZ, and applauded by USMedEdu many times over:
: "八十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也
: 就是十个人中只有一个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的
: 精英了.而这五千取得医生执照的医生已经是精英里的精英."
: Many of the CMGs are VPs, directors, academy members or full professors and are very successful in both academia and industry. Some of the great moms decide to take care of their kids at home. Are the 90% the USMLE washouts? Everyone can make it to the residency if he/she wants to, right? So, whats so special about these 10%?
: On the contrary, if you insist on comparing the 10% vs the 90%, the result could be the opposite. Lets just leave it here without going to offend anyone. Demeaning of any group should not be applauded.
: They are turning themselves into an arrogant group of people who are
: intolerant with no manners whatsoever. Keep your heads down, and keep it low profile when we got subsidized education from fellow Chinese but leave the country to pursue better lives for ourselves. Of course, using Ph.D as a stepping stone isnt something we should be proud of. Taking the advantage of the system and shortcut to the MD with a bachelor degree is not something we take pride in. No need to blow the trumpet to the world how special we are, how high status the doctors possess.

b****n
发帖数: 546
102
各位大医生啊,与其争论这个问题,能不能多做点自己的市场推广工作?
对于大多数从大陆来的顾客来说,对美国的医疗系统了解非常少。
举例来说,这个贴子上已经有俩个过路的来问:家庭医生是哪个类别了。
难道你们不想一想,就是证明了CMO好,但病人不知道该上哪里去找到你们,还不是白
搭么?能不能给科普一下啊:
在国内,伤了,手术找外科,肚子疼了找内科....在这边,到底应该找哪一类?
我当然不是搞医的,每次换城市搬家,都想办法找来自中国的医生,好处我不说了,但
是,看着搜索下来长长的名单,我还是分不清我应该找哪一类的医生。看楼主列的网址
上,没有一个是叫家庭医生的类别。
能不能告诉我们,
1,从这个网址上说,一般家里有个头疼脑热,跌打损伤的小病,我们应该找哪一类医
生联系?妻子孩子有啥不舒服的时候,我真的很希望能有个认识的医生提供些建议。
2,从这个网址上说,什么样的机构名字大致可以断定是收治病人的诊所(比如,象名
字如:Kaiser Permanente Ming Medical Offices,我看着象是保险公司,不象是诊所)

【在 F******g 的大作中提到】
: 同问这个问题,家庭医生该找哪个类别的?
x**********n
发帖数: 759
103
不错~~顶
d******h
发帖数: 503
104
"没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了"? 这点有点自己跟自己贴金的意思
。理由大家都知道,我就不讲了。
我有一次在急诊室遇到一个中国医生。看了看我的情况,没有做什么检查,说没事,回
去吧。我朋友认识他,原来他要回实验室做点实验,赶时间。后来专科大夫看了,造了
影,发现有骨折。你说,这种医德,在美国做上专科医生了,年薪50万也是害人。
这五万人不如说是不安分的十分之一,自称中国医学界的精英是无稽之谈。既然在美国
,还是向美国医学界的精英努力吧。
d******h
发帖数: 503
105
Take some writing lessons please, too many grammar errors.

【在 k**********n 的大作中提到】
: How did you get this, how many CMG physicians did you see?
: The residency training here is very strict and somewhat brutal, however,
: most of us are proud of our training experience and we feel it fulfilling
: and enjoyable. communication skills is part of training as well, I am
: confident that I care my patients well both at mental and physical level.
: Patients usually left reassured and smiling, regardless they are yellow,
: white, or black...
:
: 但是华人医生绝大多数是“技术型知识分: 子”,存在很多严重的缺陷和问题。我们不
: 谈这些问题对于他们自己(的自身发展)起了什么样的负面作用,只说对患者不利的方

w******a
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upupup~~~
z*****2
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技术型知识分子难道不好吗?不错老中医生里有Ph.D学位的人远远高于老美, 这是好
事啊,这只能说从匠人医生走向学者医生,怎能说对患者不利呢?

【在 k**********n 的大作中提到】
: From which word that you feel I am talking down to American doctors? Doctors
: always resepect each other, this is part of professionalism.
: I am always grateful to my home country for raising me up and educating me,
: and I am grateful to US as well to allow me have the most advanced medical
: training and continue my medical career.
:
: the

b****d
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无非是个机遇加个人选择加投入产出的核算加生活style的选择之后的决定罢了。
和精英有个屁的关系哦。------- quote from WOOW.
There are many reasons that many CMGs have not gone into residency programs, like GC issue.
You surely know how to flatter yourself. And put down others. I am so embarrassed by your post. And am even more embarrassed by your defense.

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: Normally 90% of CMG should be physician, 10% are medical scientists.
: Unfortunately we are in reverse.
:
: professors and are very successful in both academia and industry.
: Some of the great moms decide to take care of their kids at home. Are
: the 90% the USMLE washouts? Everyone can make it to the residency if
: he/she wants to, right? So, whats so special about these 10%?
: result could be the opposite. Lets just leave it here without going to
: offend anyone. Demeaning of any group should not be applauded.
: it low profile when we got subsidized education from fellow Chinese but

z*****2
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Talking about someone good don't mean the others bad.
b****d
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Please compare Chinese BM/Ph.Ds with American MD/Ph.Ds to back your
assumptions.

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 技术型知识分子难道不好吗?不错老中医生里有Ph.D学位的人远远高于老美, 这是好
: 事啊,这只能说从匠人医生走向学者医生,怎能说对患者不利呢?

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z*****2
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again 仁者见仁,智者见智 ;)
b****d
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look, when you made the comparison, you were insinuating the 10% doctors are better than the rest. Please. It is so embarrassing.

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: Talking about someone good don't mean the others bad.
u***e
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那本电影里说一个人一生应该有3个朋友,一个是医生,一个是律师,一个是会计师,
呵呵。选择什么医生是很私人的事,因为医生可能比你的妻子或丈夫知道你的隐私更多
。无论哪国医生,都会有德医双馨的,也有asshole。要我选择,会在中国医生里挑好
的,毕竟是母语交流没有障碍。
b****d
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This could be our selling point. Not the self-claimed superiority over the 'washouts' or Americans.

【在 u***e 的大作中提到】
: 那本电影里说一个人一生应该有3个朋友,一个是医生,一个是律师,一个是会计师,
: 呵呵。选择什么医生是很私人的事,因为医生可能比你的妻子或丈夫知道你的隐私更多
: 。无论哪国医生,都会有德医双馨的,也有asshole。要我选择,会在中国医生里挑好
: 的,毕竟是母语交流没有障碍。

C*********0
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BMtoMD:你是不是整天没事干,一整天泡在网上专门跟别人找茬掐架?还“quote from
WOOW”,我看你分明就是“WOOW”
但可悲的是你英语,英语不行;跟别人掐架,never get a point; 看不懂你在说什么
,也不知道你到底想要说什么;脑子里一团浆。。
你不是才说了要focus on your USMLEs 吗?

programs, like GC issue.
embarrassed by your post. And am even more embarrassed by your defense.

【在 b****d 的大作中提到】
: 无非是个机遇加个人选择加投入产出的核算加生活style的选择之后的决定罢了。
: 和精英有个屁的关系哦。------- quote from WOOW.
: There are many reasons that many CMGs have not gone into residency programs, like GC issue.
: You surely know how to flatter yourself. And put down others. I am so embarrassed by your post. And am even more embarrassed by your defense.

z*****2
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I just got your point. If my description hurt someone, I apologize for
that.

are better than the rest. Please. It is so embarrassing.

【在 b****d 的大作中提到】
: look, when you made the comparison, you were insinuating the 10% doctors are better than the rest. Please. It is so embarrassing.
b****d
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What a joke. It is getting very ridiculous.
The USMedEdu endorsed 'Elite of the elite' post will reek the long lasting smell on MITBBS.
Congratulations!

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: I just got your point. If my description hurt someone, I apologize for
: that.
:
: are better than the rest. Please. It is so embarrassing.

s********g
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赞同。
其实这种讨论很无聊。任何一个足够大的群体都是良莠不齐的。通过我自己的观察,比
较次或好的个体是存在的,但从国籍来看,只要有足够样本,好像都差不多。医学要学
通,学精还是要有相当的智力和人格的。看似每个人都能做医生,真做起来好像不是那
么回事。医德的差异因个体的差异比较突出。评价某个群体的医生更优秀和评价某个人
种更优秀是同一回事,这种境界在一百年前就已经被批过了而且还诱发了一场世界大战。
做个好医生有一点不可缺:把patient care中的care做好。

【在 u***e 的大作中提到】
: 那本电影里说一个人一生应该有3个朋友,一个是医生,一个是律师,一个是会计师,
: 呵呵。选择什么医生是很私人的事,因为医生可能比你的妻子或丈夫知道你的隐私更多
: 。无论哪国医生,都会有德医双馨的,也有asshole。要我选择,会在中国医生里挑好
: 的,毕竟是母语交流没有障碍。

b****d
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Yes, make humility, tolerance and manner the motto of the MEDI board.

战。

【在 s********g 的大作中提到】
: 赞同。
: 其实这种讨论很无聊。任何一个足够大的群体都是良莠不齐的。通过我自己的观察,比
: 较次或好的个体是存在的,但从国籍来看,只要有足够样本,好像都差不多。医学要学
: 通,学精还是要有相当的智力和人格的。看似每个人都能做医生,真做起来好像不是那
: 么回事。医德的差异因个体的差异比较突出。评价某个群体的医生更优秀和评价某个人
: 种更优秀是同一回事,这种境界在一百年前就已经被批过了而且还诱发了一场世界大战。
: 做个好医生有一点不可缺:把patient care中的care做好。

b****d
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The point I get from LZ's post is that Chinese BM turned doctors are better
than the rest.
The point I want to drive at is that dont flatter yourself.

from

【在 C*********0 的大作中提到】
: BMtoMD:你是不是整天没事干,一整天泡在网上专门跟别人找茬掐架?还“quote from
: WOOW”,我看你分明就是“WOOW”
: 但可悲的是你英语,英语不行;跟别人掐架,never get a point; 看不懂你在说什么
: ,也不知道你到底想要说什么;脑子里一团浆。。
: 你不是才说了要focus on your USMLEs 吗?
:
: programs, like GC issue.
: embarrassed by your post. And am even more embarrassed by your defense.

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b****d
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No harm no foul. It was all meant to USMedEdu. You are just a scapegoat. I am so sorry.
I got a bit carried away. He is of much help to our Chinese community. I was just very pissed at him calling everyone in his way wang8, idiot, fly, trash. My sincere apology. I hold no grudge. Truce?
Chinese doctors work doubly as hard and have made tremendous contributions to science and patient care. My hat off to them. I am so sorry I took upon you to vent out my personal issue.

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: I just got your point. If my description hurt someone, I apologize for
: that.
:
: are better than the rest. Please. It is so embarrassing.

z*****2
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What nice CMG Family!!!
r**********e
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国内医学院毕业的医生无法和本地医生相比.医学院筛选的标准不同,起点已经不同.感
觉找国内过来的医生的大多是英文不太好的.
g*******m
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Frankly speaking, the worst doctor I've ever visited is on the list. Of
course, there are good ones.

【在 z*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这是一个仁者见仁,智者见智的问题。有些华人朋友一提起国内医学院毕业的医生(在
: 此我们简称CMG,
: Chinese Medical Graduates) 便一脸不屑,理由无非是美国比中国先进,美国医学教
: 育好于中
: 国, 一些中国医生医德差等等。姑且不说这些想法的对错,在此我只想讲一个可能大
: 家忽略的问题。八
: 十年代以来来美的中国医学院毕业生近五万,但当上医生的人却只有五千左右。也就是
: 十个人中只有一
: 个人取得医生执照。 没有人会怀疑这五万人已经是中国医学届的精英了, 而这五千取
: 得医生执照的医

M*****8
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.......................
赞同观点。

【在 f**e 的大作中提到】
: 国内读医学院很难吗?没有贬低学医的意思,我一家除了我都是学医的。出来的都是精
: 英吗,或者说精英都出国了吗?中国有很多好医生,不是只是因为毕业的学校好,而是
: 当医生之后的各种病例见的多。来美国的可能就丢到了这个很重要的一块。我父亲六十
: 年代医学院毕业的,成分不好,直接去了很基层的地方,学内科的,到了地方,因为缺
: 医生,最后小的手术都要做,急诊里更是救了不少人。现在没这么夸张,但是中国的好
: 医生看的病人太多了。同样学校毕业的,有没有经过这么多年大量的病例,过几年还是
: 差距很大的。我父亲认为在基层的那些年对于他以后事业的成功至关重要。还有各个行
: 业都一样,很多优秀的出国了,也有很多优秀的留国内了。精英论吗,不敢苟同。

t*****3
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中国读个医可容易得很。。。
s*******d
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没错,读医是不难,高考状元们都看不上眼的。可考过这边的BOARD,MATCH进这边的医
院还真不是谁都能行的 :)

【在 t*****3 的大作中提到】
: 中国读个医可容易得很。。。
b****d
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Look, LZ has already apologized for his a little careless remark. He just intended to let people know there is a web site listing Chinese doctors in the US. He went a little over his head. Guys love to brag a bit. Just leave him alone. No need to keep piling up demeaning posts. Set side who is better. They all work hard and try to have a decent life like everyone else.
It would be better for the Chinese to keep money flowing among ourselves. Eat in China Town. Car repairs in China Town. Eye glasses in China Town. Tooth cleaning in China Town. Find a Chinese doctor and make insurance company send payments to Chinese doctors.
Yes, a lot of medicine study is memorization. It takes tremendous efforts to remember the lengthy, abstract stuff. Next time, in a book store, flip through the index. Practically, there are over 10 thousand terms. And in the three years of residency training, they need to work over 80 hrs/wk. Just think of it. It is mind numbing. It is really sweat and tear that build a doctor. So, please show respects even if you want to find an American doctor.

【在 t*****3 的大作中提到】
: 中国读个医可容易得很。。。
r**********e
发帖数: 55
129
很不喜欢中国人的这一点,说到最后都是归到钱上.好象你干这行并不是真的热爱它,更
多的是为了挣钱,这种心态很可能体现在行为上,不能被人尊重.所以我从来不找中国来
的医生.

intended to let people know there is a web site listing Chinese doctors in
the US. He went a little over his head. Guys love to brag a bit. Just
leave him alone. No need to keep piling up demeaning posts. Set side who
is better. They all work hard and try to have a decent life like everyone
else.
Eat in China Town. Car repairs in China Town. Eye glasses in China Town.
Tooth cleaning in China Town. Find a Chinese doctor and make insurance
company send payments to Chinese doctors.
remember the lengthy, abstract stuff. Next time, in a book store, flip
through the index. Practically, there are over 10 thousand terms. It is
really sweat and tear that build a doctor. So, please show respects even if
you want to find an American doctor.

【在 b****d 的大作中提到】
: Look, LZ has already apologized for his a little careless remark. He just intended to let people know there is a web site listing Chinese doctors in the US. He went a little over his head. Guys love to brag a bit. Just leave him alone. No need to keep piling up demeaning posts. Set side who is better. They all work hard and try to have a decent life like everyone else.
: It would be better for the Chinese to keep money flowing among ourselves. Eat in China Town. Car repairs in China Town. Eye glasses in China Town. Tooth cleaning in China Town. Find a Chinese doctor and make insurance company send payments to Chinese doctors.
: Yes, a lot of medicine study is memorization. It takes tremendous efforts to remember the lengthy, abstract stuff. Next time, in a book store, flip through the index. Practically, there are over 10 thousand terms. And in the three years of residency training, they need to work over 80 hrs/wk. Just think of it. It is mind numbing. It is really sweat and tear that build a doctor. So, please show respects even if you want to find an American doctor.

b****d
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Money and love of a profession are not mutually exclusive. It is honorable to make a decent living by doing something we love.
We can go in circles.
It is like asking the question, do we marry for money or love. It is like saying all wives marry for money if their husbands are rich. So for the sake of marrying for love, pick a street bum?

in
.

【在 r**********e 的大作中提到】
: 很不喜欢中国人的这一点,说到最后都是归到钱上.好象你干这行并不是真的热爱它,更
: 多的是为了挣钱,这种心态很可能体现在行为上,不能被人尊重.所以我从来不找中国来
: 的医生.
:
: intended to let people know there is a web site listing Chinese doctors in
: the US. He went a little over his head. Guys love to brag a bit. Just
: leave him alone. No need to keep piling up demeaning posts. Set side who
: is better. They all work hard and try to have a decent life like everyone
: else.
: Eat in China Town. Car repairs in China Town. Eye glasses in China Town.

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m****n
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131
大家还是练练writing吧。
精英的英文不该这样吧?
b****d
发帖数: 240
132
Doctors writings? Only pharmacists can read them.

【在 m****n 的大作中提到】
: 大家还是练练writing吧。
: 精英的英文不该这样吧?

m********4
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133
Greeting, BMtoMD (NN).
How nice post is this. See, people can make change. We were born with the
loving nature. I do think Dr. Lishan Wang never and ever had the mind to
kill somebody if he would had not been humiliated first. Respect first!
CMGs, by unity and support, we can make some difference in America.
CMGs, in America, you are the representative of the people in China. You are
not alone. We all are here.
CMGs, do well and stand straight. don't let your mother down.
Have a good day,

intended to let people know there is a web site listing Chinese doctors in
the US. He went a little over his head. Guys love to brag a bit. Just
leave him alone. No need to keep piling up demeaning posts. Set side who
is better. They all work hard and try to have a decent life like everyone
else.
Eat in China Town. Car repairs in China Town. Eye glasses in China Town.
Tooth cleaning in China Town. Find a Chinese doctor and make insurance
company send payments to Chinese doctors.
to remember the lengthy, abstract stuff. Next time, in a book store, flip
through the index. Practically, there are over 10 thousand terms. And in
the three years of residency training, they need to work over 80 hrs/wk.
Just think of it. It is mind numbing. It is really sweat and tear that
build a doctor. So, please show respects even if you want to find an
American doctor.

【在 b****d 的大作中提到】
: Look, LZ has already apologized for his a little careless remark. He just intended to let people know there is a web site listing Chinese doctors in the US. He went a little over his head. Guys love to brag a bit. Just leave him alone. No need to keep piling up demeaning posts. Set side who is better. They all work hard and try to have a decent life like everyone else.
: It would be better for the Chinese to keep money flowing among ourselves. Eat in China Town. Car repairs in China Town. Eye glasses in China Town. Tooth cleaning in China Town. Find a Chinese doctor and make insurance company send payments to Chinese doctors.
: Yes, a lot of medicine study is memorization. It takes tremendous efforts to remember the lengthy, abstract stuff. Next time, in a book store, flip through the index. Practically, there are over 10 thousand terms. And in the three years of residency training, they need to work over 80 hrs/wk. Just think of it. It is mind numbing. It is really sweat and tear that build a doctor. So, please show respects even if you want to find an American doctor.

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