l******0
发帖数: 82 | 1 先介绍一下自己吧 生在长在南京，家里关系入了美国籍 （2004年入的），大学本科是
在新加坡南洋理工大学（NTU）念得生物工程， 08年毕业后做了3年的实验室， 和医学
（癌症研究）有一定关系。 同时自己又在南洋理工念了硕士（part-time), 2010年考
的MCAT 分数不高 28N。 本科GPA 3.7.
2011年申请的北美MD医学院， 被拒。 原因一是没有北美本科学分，二是MCAT分数不好
。 后来申请了DO医学院， 一共申了10所， 6个面试，5个offer. 最后选了Midwestern
Uni School of Osteopathic Med. 马上今年7月开学。
现在在工作，存钱， 少贷款为好。 有点紧张， 怕解剖什么的英文单词太多， 毕竟英
文诗第二语言 （虽然新加坡带了7年，但毕竟不是纯英文环境， 美国一共加起来呆了
不超过1年吧，主要是放假玩去）。各位前辈请给点建议， 如何在医学院开学前做些准
备呢， 我知道医学院很苦，对老美来说都很难， 更不要说我一个非英语母语的人。
所以有点担心。
现在申请了fed loan (stafford) 但是还在犹豫要不要申请HPSP（军队奖学金， 对我
来说学费全免， 一个月2000多allowance, 算下来四年有32万刀的奖学金） 条件是进
军队的residency而且完了以后在军队做军医4年（captain-major rank). 挺犹豫要不
要去， 毕竟是亚洲人， 军队里可能受歧视的厉害， 而且工作后钱比civilian doctor
要少， 尤其是外科 麻醉 放射 等赚钱科室。
所以请大家给点建议， 一是怎么为开学做点准备， 二是要不要拿军队奖学金呢？ 顺
便问问，又在Glendale Arizona 的同胞吗？ 离Phoenix 很近，学校就在那里。
先写这么多，谢谢大家 |
w******y
发帖数: 4871 | 2 get the loan, forget about military.
Midwestern
【在 l******0 的大作中提到】
: 先介绍一下自己吧 生在长在南京，家里关系入了美国籍 （2004年入的），大学本科是
: 在新加坡南洋理工大学（NTU）念得生物工程， 08年毕业后做了3年的实验室， 和医学
: （癌症研究）有一定关系。 同时自己又在南洋理工念了硕士（part-time), 2010年考
: 的MCAT 分数不高 28N。 本科GPA 3.7.
: 2011年申请的北美MD医学院， 被拒。 原因一是没有北美本科学分，二是MCAT分数不好
: 。 后来申请了DO医学院， 一共申了10所， 6个面试，5个offer. 最后选了Midwestern
: Uni School of Osteopathic Med. 马上今年7月开学。
: 现在在工作，存钱， 少贷款为好。 有点紧张， 怕解剖什么的英文单词太多， 毕竟英
: 文诗第二语言 （虽然新加坡带了7年，但毕竟不是纯英文环境， 美国一共加起来呆了
: 不超过1年吧，主要是放假玩去）。各位前辈请给点建议， 如何在医学院开学前做些准
|
s********E
发帖数: 186 | 3 同意winebaby，拿贷款，不要进军队。进来才看到新闻说一个纽约的中国人在美国军队
里被虐待而死，看到一些细节不寒而栗。个人意见中国人还是要很小心进军队，虽然他
们可能给你很好的条件。 |
J******r
发帖数: 2806 | |
x****z
发帖数: 59 | 5 Don't base your decison on hearsay. Military scholarship is a great way to
support your education, especially for high-ticketed schools. Like
everything else, there is pros and cons, and you have to evaluate it very
carefully. Here are a few things to keep in mind:
1: Military scholarship is extremely competitive nowadays, particularly with
insanely amount of tuitions. Even if you want it, you may not get it as you
are competing with cream of the crop.
2. DO is more geared towards primary care. Most of DOs go into FP or IM for
residency. You may have a tough time competing with MDs for high-competitive
and high-paid specialities (but there is always an exception). So money
plays a bigger role here.
3. One wise man once said there is a tipping point for student loan to be
considered as "healthy" or "no biggie", and hence whether military
scholarship is worth it or not. For most, that magic number is 200K. Yours
is most likely way over barring financial contributions from your family.
But you have to evaluate your own situation and see how much debt you are
comfortable with.
Congrats on your admission! Well done.
【在 s********E 的大作中提到】
: 同意winebaby，拿贷款，不要进军队。进来才看到新闻说一个纽约的中国人在美国军队
: 里被虐待而死，看到一些细节不寒而栗。个人意见中国人还是要很小心进军队，虽然他
: 们可能给你很好的条件。
|
t*******n
发帖数: 224 | 6 well written, impressed. :-)
with
you
for
competitive
【在 x****z 的大作中提到】
: Don't base your decison on hearsay. Military scholarship is a great way to
: support your education, especially for high-ticketed schools. Like
: everything else, there is pros and cons, and you have to evaluate it very
: carefully. Here are a few things to keep in mind:
: 1: Military scholarship is extremely competitive nowadays, particularly with
: insanely amount of tuitions. Even if you want it, you may not get it as you
: are competing with cream of the crop.
: 2. DO is more geared towards primary care. Most of DOs go into FP or IM for
: residency. You may have a tough time competing with MDs for high-competitive
: and high-paid specialities (but there is always an exception). So money
|
P*********8
发帖数: 168 | 7 申请fed loan，据说在city hospital做满10年，loan就不用还了，当然这10年也包括
resident and fellow。
Midwestern
【在 l******0 的大作中提到】
: 先介绍一下自己吧 生在长在南京，家里关系入了美国籍 （2004年入的），大学本科是
: 在新加坡南洋理工大学（NTU）念得生物工程， 08年毕业后做了3年的实验室， 和医学
: （癌症研究）有一定关系。 同时自己又在南洋理工念了硕士（part-time), 2010年考
: 的MCAT 分数不高 28N。 本科GPA 3.7.
: 2011年申请的北美MD医学院， 被拒。 原因一是没有北美本科学分，二是MCAT分数不好
: 。 后来申请了DO医学院， 一共申了10所， 6个面试，5个offer. 最后选了Midwestern
: Uni School of Osteopathic Med. 马上今年7月开学。
: 现在在工作，存钱， 少贷款为好。 有点紧张， 怕解剖什么的英文单词太多， 毕竟英
: 文诗第二语言 （虽然新加坡带了7年，但毕竟不是纯英文环境， 美国一共加起来呆了
: 不超过1年吧，主要是放假玩去）。各位前辈请给点建议， 如何在医学院开学前做些准
|
l******0
发帖数: 82 | 8 谢谢大家的回复
我自己算过 如果拿贷款 算上利息 15年还清时共换60万刀 （stafford loan interest
6.8% annually). 我也觉得拿军队奖学金不错 可是就是担心 1 危险， 派到战区军医
有危险吗？ 2 军队里对亚裔有很大歧视， 虽说是officer, 可能也有歧视。
还有一个奖学金是national health corp的， 学费全免， 一个月1300 allowance. 所
以四年算下来有28万刀的奖学金， 条件是只能做IM FP Ob/Gyn Ped的residency,
residency 地点不限，但是结束后要去underserved area工作4年。 看了一些可以去得
医院， 都在比较骗的地方，比如加州的bakersfield旁边100mile nowhere land. 而且
都是一些clinic or community hospital, 病人都是medicare/medicaid之类的。 这个
奖学金报的人多，所以不一定好拿。 而且如果我选择做IM, 只能做3年的residency就
要去工作，它不让你做IM subspecialty residency training (like GI).所以只有工
作完4年再去读， 这样会有影响吗？
话说DO med school的学费都很贵 都是私立的 我的要51k一年。大家还知道别的奖学金
或者grant吗？
谢谢大家 |
l******0
发帖数: 82 | 9
with
you
for
competitive
Thank you for your reply and its extremely helpful. One of my biggest
concern is the possible discrimination in US military. They might send me to
the hotzone of war, of assign me undesired residency (I am not guaranteed
my chosen residency program under HPSP). But like you said, moneywise that
320K scholarship might make me take the risk.
Another question, how can i prepare for the upcoming med school pls? English
is not my first language, and I am afraid this might cause me trouble, not
to mention med school is already difficult.
Thank you for your valuable input. 8)
【在 x****z 的大作中提到】
: Don't base your decison on hearsay. Military scholarship is a great way to
: support your education, especially for high-ticketed schools. Like
: everything else, there is pros and cons, and you have to evaluate it very
: carefully. Here are a few things to keep in mind:
: 1: Military scholarship is extremely competitive nowadays, particularly with
: insanely amount of tuitions. Even if you want it, you may not get it as you
: are competing with cream of the crop.
: 2. DO is more geared towards primary care. Most of DOs go into FP or IM for
: residency. You may have a tough time competing with MDs for high-competitive
: and high-paid specialities (but there is always an exception). So money
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l******0
发帖数: 82 | 10
谢谢 我去查查看，对了 你有官方说法的网址吗 谢谢
【在 P*********8 的大作中提到】
: 申请fed loan，据说在city hospital做满10年，loan就不用还了，当然这10年也包括
: resident and fellow。
:
: Midwestern
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x****z
发帖数: 59 | 11 If you are on the fence about HPSP, put in your application first. Once you
actually have the offer, then come here and agonize over what to pick. It is
a moot point to talk about choice when you don't have options. As far as
your English, if you are good enough to score well in MCAT and pass
interview, you are good enough for med school.
to
English
【在 l******0 的大作中提到】
:
: 谢谢 我去查查看，对了 你有官方说法的网址吗 谢谢
|
s*******w
发帖数: 1879 | 12 agree with all. get the fed loan. don't take the military one.
about the financial aid, i think u should talk to your school first. usually
they have a list of private agencies offering loans. The rate of interest is
def higher but u will afford to pay it all back as long as you dont quit ur
DO school.
Then you may wanna talk to whatever bank you have your account at.
sometimes they offer loans to their customers.
or maybe try to borrow some from your parents/relatives/friends/etc.
congratulations and good luck. |
d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 13 这个利率比房贷的还高啊。在想如果父母有房贷的话，没准从那里拿点钱出来还合算了。
interest
【在 l******0 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢大家的回复
: 我自己算过 如果拿贷款 算上利息 15年还清时共换60万刀 （stafford loan interest
: 6.8% annually). 我也觉得拿军队奖学金不错 可是就是担心 1 危险， 派到战区军医
: 有危险吗？ 2 军队里对亚裔有很大歧视， 虽说是officer, 可能也有歧视。
: 还有一个奖学金是national health corp的， 学费全免， 一个月1300 allowance. 所
: 以四年算下来有28万刀的奖学金， 条件是只能做IM FP Ob/Gyn Ped的residency,
: residency 地点不限，但是结束后要去underserved area工作4年。 看了一些可以去得
: 医院， 都在比较骗的地方，比如加州的bakersfield旁边100mile nowhere land. 而且
: 都是一些clinic or community hospital, 病人都是medicare/medicaid之类的。 这个
: 奖学金报的人多，所以不一定好拿。 而且如果我选择做IM, 只能做3年的residency就
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L*****s
发帖数: 24744 | 14 挺犹豫要不要去， 毕竟是亚洲人， 军队里可能受歧视的厉害，
You will be anal-fucked by white guys for sure.. |
S**********e
发帖数: 1325 | 15 楼上说的都很有道理。一条条仔细读了，很长知识。我没什么发言权，也没什么观点。
就share我所知道的一点点。
认识一个越南小妹妹（公民），读的免费的军队（海军）医学院。几年后出来了，人发
育的特别好，体格很健美，她自己说是军队生活锻炼的，不那么苦，生活很健康。现在
在做住院医，快毕业了。总之，挺幸福的样子。总跟别人推荐自己的求学之路。 |
l***o
发帖数: 578 | 16 As a DO, you have no problem to enter anesthesiology, surgery, OB/GYN,etc as
long as you USMLE scores are decent.
Midwestern
【在 l******0 的大作中提到】
: 先介绍一下自己吧 生在长在南京，家里关系入了美国籍 （2004年入的），大学本科是
: 在新加坡南洋理工大学（NTU）念得生物工程， 08年毕业后做了3年的实验室， 和医学
: （癌症研究）有一定关系。 同时自己又在南洋理工念了硕士（part-time), 2010年考
: 的MCAT 分数不高 28N。 本科GPA 3.7.
: 2011年申请的北美MD医学院， 被拒。 原因一是没有北美本科学分，二是MCAT分数不好
: 。 后来申请了DO医学院， 一共申了10所， 6个面试，5个offer. 最后选了Midwestern
: Uni School of Osteopathic Med. 马上今年7月开学。
: 现在在工作，存钱， 少贷款为好。 有点紧张， 怕解剖什么的英文单词太多， 毕竟英
: 文诗第二语言 （虽然新加坡带了7年，但毕竟不是纯英文环境， 美国一共加起来呆了
: 不超过1年吧，主要是放假玩去）。各位前辈请给点建议， 如何在医学院开学前做些准
|
l******0
发帖数: 82 | 17
xiexie 我问了HPSP recruiter 只有一些很基本的训练， 包括15分钟跑2公里， 50个
仰卧起坐俯卧撑，没有其他的很苦的
【在 S**********e 的大作中提到】
: 楼上说的都很有道理。一条条仔细读了，很长知识。我没什么发言权，也没什么观点。
: 就share我所知道的一点点。
: 认识一个越南小妹妹（公民），读的免费的军队（海军）医学院。几年后出来了，人发
: 育的特别好，体格很健美，她自己说是军队生活锻炼的，不那么苦，生活很健康。现在
: 在做住院医，快毕业了。总之，挺幸福的样子。总跟别人推荐自己的求学之路。
|
l******0
发帖数: 82 | 18
Nova South U(florida)
KCUMB (Kansas)
Touro Nevada (LV)
AT still U (mesa AZ)
选这个midwestern因为他的COMplex 和 USMLE step1 平均分最高， pass率最高 |
l******0
发帖数: 82 | 19
xiexie 如果在军队做的residency+工作， 完了找civilian physician job容易吗？
会不会医院不喜欢军队的军医啊 工作难找？毕竟不会在医院呆一辈子 4年完了就走 |
l******0
发帖数: 82 | 20
you
is
Thank you. Good pointers. I will apply and make a decision afterwards.
【在 x****z 的大作中提到】
: If you are on the fence about HPSP, put in your application first. Once you
: actually have the offer, then come here and agonize over what to pick. It is
: a moot point to talk about choice when you don't have options. As far as
: your English, if you are good enough to score well in MCAT and pass
: interview, you are good enough for med school.
:
: to
: English
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l******0
发帖数: 82 | 21
usually
is
ur
thank you 8)
the school doesnot have a lot grant and scholarships. its private school,
let alone bad economy.
【在 s*******w 的大作中提到】
: agree with all. get the fed loan. don't take the military one.
: about the financial aid, i think u should talk to your school first. usually
: they have a list of private agencies offering loans. The rate of interest is
: def higher but u will afford to pay it all back as long as you dont quit ur
: DO school.
: Then you may wanna talk to whatever bank you have your account at.
: sometimes they offer loans to their customers.
: or maybe try to borrow some from your parents/relatives/friends/etc.
: congratulations and good luck.
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b********y
发帖数: 3507 | |
l***a
发帖数: 63 | 23 I have a son in US military.
My comment:
(1) do not assume you can easily get military scholarship.
It is very competitive there.
(2) Military is about service. If your mind is on money, don't
go in. |
l******0
发帖数: 82 | 24
Tks
I cant agree more on ur second point. I believe my personality wont fit in
military coz i dont like all the disciplines. And I have no intention to
serve the US military. The only reason I might consider it is the
scholarship.
However, I believe it is not difficult to get the military scholarship coz
anyone with a GPA of 3.5 and MCAT 29 will gain entry to the program
automatically.
Again, tks for ur advice. I am leaning towards not applying to that program.
【在 l***a 的大作中提到】
: I have a son in US military.
: My comment:
: (1) do not assume you can easily get military scholarship.
: It is very competitive there.
: (2) Military is about service. If your mind is on money, don't
: go in.
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z**********4
发帖数: 467 | 25 I heard DO curriculum is different from MD's. You'd better ask some DOs for
advice.. |
s*******w
发帖数: 1879 | 26 correct me if im wrong. I remember private schools actually have better
resources of those private loans, coz the kids going to public school
usually can survive merely on fed loan.
still, talk to ur school. since it's a bad time, u may wanna push it a bit,
in a diplomatic way though.
btw, i think the biggest issue about military service is your personality. r
u a repellent person? do u easily obey rules without questioning? do u
argue w/ authorities when u dont understand or disagree? do u have a strong
personality that easily makes you stand out?
if so, i guess u may wanna think twice.
【在 l******0 的大作中提到】
:
: Tks
: I cant agree more on ur second point. I believe my personality wont fit in
: military coz i dont like all the disciplines. And I have no intention to
: serve the US military. The only reason I might consider it is the
: scholarship.
: However, I believe it is not difficult to get the military scholarship coz
: anyone with a GPA of 3.5 and MCAT 29 will gain entry to the program
: automatically.
: Again, tks for ur advice. I am leaning towards not applying to that program.
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j***k
发帖数: 2719 | 27 I was in the army for 8 years, first in active duty, then went into the
reserve while attending college. I was not an officier but an enlisted
infantryman.
I enojoyed my time in the army and thought it was a lot of fun. I got
enlisted on my 17th birthday, making me the youngest in the army, as the min
age requirement is 17.
Since I was neither an officier nor in the medical field,I can;t tell you
much about what your expereince would be, but personally, I didn't
expereince any racial discrimination while in the service. I can't imagine
being an officer would be any worse than an enlisted.
to
English
【在 l******0 的大作中提到】
:
: Tks
: I cant agree more on ur second point. I believe my personality wont fit in
: military coz i dont like all the disciplines. And I have no intention to
: serve the US military. The only reason I might consider it is the
: scholarship.
: However, I believe it is not difficult to get the military scholarship coz
: anyone with a GPA of 3.5 and MCAT 29 will gain entry to the program
: automatically.
: Again, tks for ur advice. I am leaning towards not applying to that program.
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P*********8
发帖数: 168 | 28 我只是听这里的学生说的。你需要去落实一下
【在 l******0 的大作中提到】
:
: Tks
: I cant agree more on ur second point. I believe my personality wont fit in
: military coz i dont like all the disciplines. And I have no intention to
: serve the US military. The only reason I might consider it is the
: scholarship.
: However, I believe it is not difficult to get the military scholarship coz
: anyone with a GPA of 3.5 and MCAT 29 will gain entry to the program
: automatically.
: Again, tks for ur advice. I am leaning towards not applying to that program.
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s*****n
发帖数: 2897 | |
h***y
发帖数: 834 | |
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l******0
发帖数: 82 | 31
as
Thank you.
Btw, do you know whats the difference between DO and MD residency? I heard
some DO students only take COMPLEX and enter DO residency which has IM,
Surgery, FP etc.. It looks like same with MD residency. Any difference?
Again, thanks
【在 l***o 的大作中提到】
: As a DO, you have no problem to enter anesthesiology, surgery, OB/GYN,etc as
: long as you USMLE scores are decent.
:
: Midwestern
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f****b
发帖数: 2410 | 32 very interesting response. Could you show us what period of years you was
enlisted? Did you went to Iraq? How lucky are you!
thought it was a lot of fun.
min
【在 j***k 的大作中提到】
: I was in the army for 8 years, first in active duty, then went into the
: reserve while attending college. I was not an officier but an enlisted
: infantryman.
: I enojoyed my time in the army and thought it was a lot of fun. I got
: enlisted on my 17th birthday, making me the youngest in the army, as the min
: age requirement is 17.
: Since I was neither an officier nor in the medical field,I can;t tell you
: much about what your expereince would be, but personally, I didn't
: expereince any racial discrimination while in the service. I can't imagine
: being an officer would be any worse than an enlisted.
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