h******v
发帖数: 1826 | 1 其实美国的医疗系统还是不错了。
我曾经的同事，美国人，在英国做的博后，在那里娶了个英国太太。他俩都有慢性病，
不时需要看医生。他俩痛恨死英国的医疗系统了，回美国定居。就他的体验，美国的系
统比英国的好得太多。
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j********a
发帖数: 451 | 2 eurpoean system < american system <<< chinese system. needless to say. |
l******x
发帖数: 117 | 3 是在随叫随到欺负医生杀医生打医生这个层次上比吗
【在 j********a 的大作中提到】
: eurpoean system < american system <<< chinese system. needless to say.
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j********a
发帖数: 451 | 4 why are you mixing 随叫随到 with 欺负医生杀医生打医生? 随叫随到 is always
good from patients' perspective. A good system should be 随叫随到.
【在 l******x 的大作中提到】
: 是在随叫随到欺负医生杀医生打医生这个层次上比吗
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l******x
发帖数: 117 | 5 你是医生吗？我国内的同学老师都在抱怨这种随叫随到，一个医生一天看80-100个病人
是什么概念。
跟国内导师讨论，抱怨美国预约制效率低。他的看法是，国内那种制度是一种医疗浪费
。大多数小病是不需要随叫随到的。真正严重的急诊可以解决。
而在这种随叫随到的基础上，打杀医生这种事情却时有发生。所以说国内医疗体制好的
，基本都不可能是医生吧。
【在 j********a 的大作中提到】
: why are you mixing 随叫随到 with 欺负医生杀医生打医生? 随叫随到 is always
: good from patients' perspective. A good system should be 随叫随到.
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a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 6 If you pay all those service with your own money. Doctors are not maids, nor
waiters/waitresses.
【在 j********a 的大作中提到】
: why are you mixing 随叫随到 with 欺负医生杀医生打医生? 随叫随到 is always
: good from patients' perspective. A good system should be 随叫随到.
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a*********d
发帖数: 2763 | 7 敢问你做什么工作？你对你的客户随叫随到么？
医生都有值班，cover each other，有急事还可以去急诊。
【在 j********a 的大作中提到】
: why are you mixing 随叫随到 with 欺负医生杀医生打医生? 随叫随到 is always
: good from patients' perspective. A good system should be 随叫随到.
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a*********d
发帖数: 2763 | 8 很同意，我在国内看门诊，一上午看五十个，看得慢一点就要被后面的病人抱怨，病人
完全没有隐私可言，排队的人就站在前一个病人后面。在这里是无法想象的。这里我至
少可以花时间跟一个个病人说话，分析病情，随访。
说国内门诊好的，我不知道他们看得什么特级专家门诊
【在 l******x 的大作中提到】
: 你是医生吗？我国内的同学老师都在抱怨这种随叫随到，一个医生一天看80-100个病人
: 是什么概念。
: 跟国内导师讨论，抱怨美国预约制效率低。他的看法是，国内那种制度是一种医疗浪费
: 。大多数小病是不需要随叫随到的。真正严重的急诊可以解决。
: 而在这种随叫随到的基础上，打杀医生这种事情却时有发生。所以说国内医疗体制好的
: ，基本都不可能是医生吧。
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S*********y
发帖数: 261 | 9 嗯，我同意。我在国内和美国都看过一些病和做过手术。
和国内比，美国讲究规章制度，有时小病预约是慢了点，但是服务态度好，工作认真，
环境干净，非常让人舒心。我因为一直都在美国比较好的医院看的，觉得美国大夫的技
术也非常好。
至于医疗保险和费用，不能折成人民币来比，就像我们在美国也挣的是美元。在国内看
个门诊也是几百人民币，美国几百美元应该算正常。而且美国的医疗保险，对于看大病
的人来说，单看数量也不算贵。做学生的时候一年2000美元的保险，看什么病都100%了
，住院还包免费的饭菜和单人房间。
国内的保险都是没有选择的吧？我爸妈退休了，在国内，就是以前单位给的那个保险，
住院才报销50%，小病体检都不管。
【在 h******v 的大作中提到】
: 其实美国的医疗系统还是不错了。
: 我曾经的同事，美国人，在英国做的博后，在那里娶了个英国太太。他俩都有慢性病，
: 不时需要看医生。他俩痛恨死英国的医疗系统了，回美国定居。就他的体验，美国的系
: 统比英国的好得太多。
: 跟中国的医疗系统比呢，不用说了吧。
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j********a
发帖数: 451 | 10 sounds like the watermelon farmer praising his own water melon.
有时小病预约是慢了点-are you suggesting appointment for serious issue is
quick? :)
is cancer not serious enough? I had colleague who died because her doctor
refused to diagnoze her as cancer, and refuse to refer her. In china, the
patient can visit 10 hospticals at once if needed. US appointments simply
sucks especially for serious issues.
。在国内看: 个门诊也是几百人民币，美国几百美元应该算正常。- Have you ever
really seen any doctor in china? 门诊 on average cost < 1$ for the diagnosis
, the rest is medicine and examination. why don't you quote how much a cat
scan cost in us and compare with china?
it is total waste of time to post anything on this parasite forum. I will
stop.
【在 S*********y 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，我同意。我在国内和美国都看过一些病和做过手术。
: 和国内比，美国讲究规章制度，有时小病预约是慢了点，但是服务态度好，工作认真，
: 环境干净，非常让人舒心。我因为一直都在美国比较好的医院看的，觉得美国大夫的技
: 术也非常好。
: 至于医疗保险和费用，不能折成人民币来比，就像我们在美国也挣的是美元。在国内看
: 个门诊也是几百人民币，美国几百美元应该算正常。而且美国的医疗保险，对于看大病
: 的人来说，单看数量也不算贵。做学生的时候一年2000美元的保险，看什么病都100%了
: ，住院还包免费的饭菜和单人房间。
: 国内的保险都是没有选择的吧？我爸妈退休了，在国内，就是以前单位给的那个保险，
: 住院才报销50%，小病体检都不管。
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j********a
发帖数: 451 | 11 why does it take doctors to approve whether a medical system is good? if so,
why don't you ask G.W.Bush whether there is mdw in iraq? it should be
entirely up to the patients to decide that. And as a patient, I say based on
my experience US system sucks, most nurses and some of the doctors are much
less experienced than Chinese counterparts, most examination costs 30+
times more than china. In a nutshell, it sucks.
【在 l******x 的大作中提到】
: 你是医生吗？我国内的同学老师都在抱怨这种随叫随到，一个医生一天看80-100个病人
: 是什么概念。
: 跟国内导师讨论，抱怨美国预约制效率低。他的看法是，国内那种制度是一种医疗浪费
: 。大多数小病是不需要随叫随到的。真正严重的急诊可以解决。
: 而在这种随叫随到的基础上，打杀医生这种事情却时有发生。所以说国内医疗体制好的
: ，基本都不可能是医生吧。
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j********a
发帖数: 451 | 12 not sure I understand your mumble gumble. Nobody says doctors are treated as
maids, but from patients' perspective, is more availablity not better than
having to wait for 1 month to confirm whether he/she has cancer?
Unfortunately, in china, if a patient is in a hurry and worry about accuracy
, he can see 20 doctors concurrently, vs in us, he has to wait until his
referred doctor has vacancy, and hope he doesn't die before that. can you
spoiled us doctor candidates stop being so sensitive please? your interest
doesn't always contradict with patients, if you truly have a caring heart,
instead of just choosing your profession for the dirty money.
nor
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: If you pay all those service with your own money. Doctors are not maids, nor
: waiters/waitresses.
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b***u
发帖数: 746 | 13 you are asking for another level/system of medical care, called concierge
medicine, which you can find in both China and US, depending on how much you
want to pay out of pocket.
So, if you have a ton loads of cash, yes, you can get the care wherever you
want to be, even in a space ship.
In the current system we are discussing here in this forum, yes, it might
not be fair for everyone, but it's accessible and affordable for majority
people relatively comparing to China.
You made a good point, better posting it on 'We the people' website might be
a better place to appeal. It's still helpful to discuss it here though.
as
than
accuracy
【在 j********a 的大作中提到】
: not sure I understand your mumble gumble. Nobody says doctors are treated as
: maids, but from patients' perspective, is more availablity not better than
: having to wait for 1 month to confirm whether he/she has cancer?
: Unfortunately, in china, if a patient is in a hurry and worry about accuracy
: , he can see 20 doctors concurrently, vs in us, he has to wait until his
: referred doctor has vacancy, and hope he doesn't die before that. can you
: spoiled us doctor candidates stop being so sensitive please? your interest
: doesn't always contradict with patients, if you truly have a caring heart,
: instead of just choosing your profession for the dirty money.
:
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j********a
发帖数: 451 | 14 Thanks for your openness.
not sure whether this system is "accessible and affordable for majority
mean by in china, patients can visit many hospitals concurrently, plenty of
country side cancer patients pretty much visit the all the top cancel
treatment hospital in beijing, before they decide what to do. I know this
because I have run into many while my dad was treating cancer. Yes, the ER
in this system is more accessible to people who can't pay, but does ER treat
any serious problem? It doesn't, if we compare the part of the system that
treats serious problem, I disagree this system is accessible and affordable
for majority people relatively comparing to China. And on the other side,
you have indicated the concierge
affordable to a lot more chinese than american. Thanks.
you
you
be |
L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 15 The doctor is not at a position to evaluate, neither is patient or their
family - simply because first they are under stress and not objective, and
second, they lack the necessary knowledge to evaluate.
so,
on
much
【在 j********a 的大作中提到】
: why does it take doctors to approve whether a medical system is good? if so,
: why don't you ask G.W.Bush whether there is mdw in iraq? it should be
: entirely up to the patients to decide that. And as a patient, I say based on
: my experience US system sucks, most nurses and some of the doctors are much
: less experienced than Chinese counterparts, most examination costs 30+
: times more than china. In a nutshell, it sucks.
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S*********y
发帖数: 261 | 16 啊？你的朋友在美国竟然看了那么庸碌的医生，真是令人愤慨。如果自己感觉不对头，
应该要求second opinion，不要太迷信一个大夫。
我不知道保险到底几类，我的保险选择一般都是可以自己选择专科医生的，不必必须经
过家庭医生推荐。还有就是，我遇到的家庭医生都特别好，他们热心推荐很好的专科医
生，等我看过知道都是非常有名的。
奥，不好意思，我说的不清楚，我说国内有病看个门诊，包括了做个检查验血拿药什么
的。当然如果真是普通的问题，挂号费的确用不了几百，一般十几块就行了。美国也是
，copay也是20到30。
我不是学医的，相反，我是有慢性病需要住院的。我在国内从小到大吃够了住院的苦，
也不怨国内的大夫，实在是经济和管理条件太差。北京的一流医院尤其拥挤，一个骨科
病房6个病人，6个以上的陪床。24小时都不能离开，因为护士根本管不了。我的年代国
内的孩子没有保险，也累够了我爸妈的收入。现在独生子女可能有保险了，反正我小时
候没有，无底洞的大小看病的轻重。
在美国，我住院手术，门诊手术都有过，从来没有看过糟糕的大夫，都非常耐心，并且
技术好。当然，我住的都是美国大城市，去看的大夫都是非常有名的医院的。
diagnosis
【在 j********a 的大作中提到】
: sounds like the watermelon farmer praising his own water melon.
: 有时小病预约是慢了点-are you suggesting appointment for serious issue is
: quick? :)
: is cancer not serious enough? I had colleague who died because her doctor
: refused to diagnoze her as cancer, and refuse to refer her. In china, the
: patient can visit 10 hospticals at once if needed. US appointments simply
: sucks especially for serious issues.
: 。在国内看: 个门诊也是几百人民币，美国几百美元应该算正常。- Have you ever
: really seen any doctor in china? 门诊 on average cost < 1$ for the diagnosis
: , the rest is medicine and examination. why don't you quote how much a cat
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