l*****w
发帖数: 344 | 1 最近找工作也找的差不多了, 谈谈感受,看看大伙有没有同感.
Academic job pays almost same level starting salary compares to private
job in the same location. Although academic job pays about 10% less but I
consider it at the same level to the private job because of
university sponsored Pension plan.
The starting salaries in Manhattan and Bay Area are much lower (30%) than
other region.
I personally feel the fellows in the good university hospitals are better
trained, but they still give offers to an outside applicant. Why
don't they recruit their own fellows? Where are their own fellows go?
Some academic Inst split the job into two parts. One offer is from their
university and another is from their clinic. The candidate has to generate
enough funds to support the N% of the university salary in M years. Is this
common among academic jobs?
The jobs pay my dream salary are all located at areas I never want to
stay and the jobs locate at the good place either not recruiting or not
paying well
Some program start to use video conference for initial interviews. I feel
those programs are cheap so I said no to all of them.
Chinese physicians are sometimes in a better position in the job market.
I was contacted by several recruiters looking specifically for Chinese
physician graduated from a Chinese medical school. |
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 2 what's your offer's salary?
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: 最近找工作也找的差不多了, 谈谈感受,看看大伙有没有同感.
: Academic job pays almost same level starting salary compares to private
: job in the same location. Although academic job pays about 10% less but I
: consider it at the same level to the private job because of
: university sponsored Pension plan.
: The starting salaries in Manhattan and Bay Area are much lower (30%) than
: other region.
: I personally feel the fellows in the good university hospitals are better
: trained, but they still give offers to an outside applicant. Why
: don't they recruit their own fellows? Where are their own fellows go?
|
l*****w
发帖数: 344 | 3 教授哥哥 only cares about money.
As one of the famous chinese doctor here once said, once you make over a
certain threshold, money is just a symbol and won't bring you more happiness
or feeling of success. You should think about how to use your money to the
best benefit of the society....
It seems either 教授哥哥 never be able to made enough money or 教授哥哥
never
develop any 高尚的,任人尊敬的品质 |
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 4 Thanks for sharing。
academic和private肯定有区别的， 因为正式工作有可能是一辈子的事，所以还是要长
远打算。
定理应该是这样：
1. 大家都喜欢钱。
2，private肯定比academic钱多， 这个多可以多到你心跳。
3. 大地方肯定比小地方钱少， 而且即使少也不见得好找。
4. Academic的成就感强，有教授可以当，孩子将来上学可以免费， 还有pension什么
的。
5。 Academic的attending还要一个最大好处是可以很mean， 反正有intern/resident
当出气筒，病人在旁边看着觉得这个医生很权威。 lol
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: 最近找工作也找的差不多了, 谈谈感受,看看大伙有没有同感.
: Academic job pays almost same level starting salary compares to private
: job in the same location. Although academic job pays about 10% less but I
: consider it at the same level to the private job because of
: university sponsored Pension plan.
: The starting salaries in Manhattan and Bay Area are much lower (30%) than
: other region.
: I personally feel the fellows in the good university hospitals are better
: trained, but they still give offers to an outside applicant. Why
: don't they recruit their own fellows? Where are their own fellows go?
|
e******e
发帖数: 118 | 5 are you talking about job market after fellowship training? |
l*****w
发帖数: 344 | 6 The reason that I may prefer the academic setting are
1. The private or community hospitals always transfer the complicated cases
to teaching hospital so I can broad my knowledge and improve my skills
2. Unless you are very good or work very hard, you wont make too much money
in a big city. I want to make more money, but I prefer to stay in a big city
as well
3. The university high school is usually very good
4. My children could match to any specialty in our medical school easily...
5. research could make you well known within your specialty. I will give it
a try
resident
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for sharing。
: academic和private肯定有区别的， 因为正式工作有可能是一辈子的事，所以还是要长
: 远打算。
: 定理应该是这样：
: 1. 大家都喜欢钱。
: 2，private肯定比academic钱多， 这个多可以多到你心跳。
: 3. 大地方肯定比小地方钱少， 而且即使少也不见得好找。
: 4. Academic的成就感强，有教授可以当，孩子将来上学可以免费， 还有pension什么
: 的。
: 5。 Academic的attending还要一个最大好处是可以很mean， 反正有intern/resident
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 7 肯定各有利弊， 留大城市做academic比较现实。
如果运气好， 将来加入好的private group， 做了partner以后，你们这个专业真可以
数钱数到手抽筋， 开会休假就自己出钱，没有必要看别人脸色。
cases
money
city
it
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: The reason that I may prefer the academic setting are
: 1. The private or community hospitals always transfer the complicated cases
: to teaching hospital so I can broad my knowledge and improve my skills
: 2. Unless you are very good or work very hard, you wont make too much money
: in a big city. I want to make more money, but I prefer to stay in a big city
: as well
: 3. The university high school is usually very good
: 4. My children could match to any specialty in our medical school easily...
: 5. research could make you well known within your specialty. I will give it
: a try
|
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 8 you are right on 教授哥哥 never be able to made enough money...
200K/year is far from enough for me...
happiness
the
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: 教授哥哥 only cares about money.
: As one of the famous chinese doctor here once said, once you make over a
: certain threshold, money is just a symbol and won't bring you more happiness
: or feeling of success. You should think about how to use your money to the
: best benefit of the society....
: It seems either 教授哥哥 never be able to made enough money or 教授哥哥
: never
: develop any 高尚的,任人尊敬的品质
|
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 9 Doctor's children very seldom want to study medicine. they have enough money
to enjoy their lives. Why bother?
If I have children in the future, they do not have to work at all. I will
deposit several million dollars in their personal bank accounts.
cases
money
city
it
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: The reason that I may prefer the academic setting are
: 1. The private or community hospitals always transfer the complicated cases
: to teaching hospital so I can broad my knowledge and improve my skills
: 2. Unless you are very good or work very hard, you wont make too much money
: in a big city. I want to make more money, but I prefer to stay in a big city
: as well
: 3. The university high school is usually very good
: 4. My children could match to any specialty in our medical school easily...
: 5. research could make you well known within your specialty. I will give it
: a try
|
f*******2
发帖数: 656 | 10 just curious what kind of position that prefers chinese doctors graduated
from chinese medical school?
an indian guy, the same year as me, who has a sister just graduating from a
hemonc fellowship, told me that job market for fellows not bad at all. the
most difficult part is to get in a fellowship program, and in the end you
will have a few good offers to choose from. is he too optimistic or i am too
skeptic?
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: 最近找工作也找的差不多了, 谈谈感受,看看大伙有没有同感.
: Academic job pays almost same level starting salary compares to private
: job in the same location. Although academic job pays about 10% less but I
: consider it at the same level to the private job because of
: university sponsored Pension plan.
: The starting salaries in Manhattan and Bay Area are much lower (30%) than
: other region.
: I personally feel the fellows in the good university hospitals are better
: trained, but they still give offers to an outside applicant. Why
: don't they recruit their own fellows? Where are their own fellows go?
|
|
|
s********o
发帖数: 3319 | 11 to my guess, yes.
【在 e******e 的大作中提到】
: are you talking about job market after fellowship training?
|
s********o
发帖数: 3319 | 12 这个说得特别好。这也是为什么教授说他挣得多，虽然没人质疑但是也没人尊重他的原
因，嗯
happiness
the
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: 教授哥哥 only cares about money.
: As one of the famous chinese doctor here once said, once you make over a
: certain threshold, money is just a symbol and won't bring you more happiness
: or feeling of success. You should think about how to use your money to the
: best benefit of the society....
: It seems either 教授哥哥 never be able to made enough money or 教授哥哥
: never
: develop any 高尚的,任人尊敬的品质
|
l*****w
发帖数: 344 | 13 Get a fellowship position is not hard, for CMGs, the most difficulty part is
get into a residence program. Actually, job market is not good. Markets in
Big cities are saturated. When I told my PD that I may not accept the offer
from NYC, he told me that is once in a life opportunity. He never saw that
hospital recruit publically. The job is alway taken before they post it. |
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 14 你太搞笑了吧？我的学生成百上千，人人都很尊重我。这里的人妒忌我的铁饭碗，当
然心理上难以接受了。就好比大家都不尊重比尔盖慈一样，是一个道理的。
让你这样没有逻辑的人看病，病人应该倒吸一口凉气，早早买生命保险。。。太危险
了，简直是一叶障目。你平时总是把感冒诊断成心肌炎吧？！？！
【在 s********o 的大作中提到】
: 这个说得特别好。这也是为什么教授说他挣得多，虽然没人质疑但是也没人尊重他的原
: 因，嗯
:
: happiness
: the
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 15 All PDs will say same things to a potential candidate. You are right, it is
difficult to have a PD to accept you as a resident. And it is also difficult
to have a graduate to accept a PD's offer for a faculty position. Things
change just like that.
is
in
offer
that
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: Get a fellowship position is not hard, for CMGs, the most difficulty part is
: get into a residence program. Actually, job market is not good. Markets in
: Big cities are saturated. When I told my PD that I may not accept the offer
: from NYC, he told me that is once in a life opportunity. He never saw that
: hospital recruit publically. The job is alway taken before they post it.
|
l*****w
发帖数: 344 | 16 But I don't think PD is lying to me. They had two openings in last 5 years.
One is filled by a physician trained in MAYO and another is filled by a
physician trained in MGH..
One of them is leaving because his wife want him to make more money. He join
a big single specialty group as senior partner because he could bring
reputation to the group
If not because of connections, I wont even make the interview.
I am hesitated because I am not confident and I do not want to be at the
tail of a phoenix.
I personally think the academic setting may be the best option for CMG
because we never left school and we are afraid of the outside world. We may
still need some time to improve our-self until the time we feel comfortable
to face outside world :) Just my 2 cents
is
difficult
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: All PDs will say same things to a potential candidate. You are right, it is
: difficult to have a PD to accept you as a resident. And it is also difficult
: to have a graduate to accept a PD's offer for a faculty position. Things
: change just like that.
:
: is
: in
: offer
: that
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 17 I understand, and your confidence will be built up as you start to practice.
I did a short term residency in China before I came here, so I thought I am
ready for the outside world, lol
.
join
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: But I don't think PD is lying to me. They had two openings in last 5 years.
: One is filled by a physician trained in MAYO and another is filled by a
: physician trained in MGH..
: One of them is leaving because his wife want him to make more money. He join
: a big single specialty group as senior partner because he could bring
: reputation to the group
: If not because of connections, I wont even make the interview.
: I am hesitated because I am not confident and I do not want to be at the
: tail of a phoenix.
: I personally think the academic setting may be the best option for CMG
|
a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 18 做academic唯一的好处就是留在大城市，别的我还真没看出来什么。pension早就没有
了，这年头，什么都是虚的，把钱装在自己口袋才是实在的
resident
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for sharing。
: academic和private肯定有区别的， 因为正式工作有可能是一辈子的事，所以还是要长
: 远打算。
: 定理应该是这样：
: 1. 大家都喜欢钱。
: 2，private肯定比academic钱多， 这个多可以多到你心跳。
: 3. 大地方肯定比小地方钱少， 而且即使少也不见得好找。
: 4. Academic的成就感强，有教授可以当，孩子将来上学可以免费， 还有pension什么
: 的。
: 5。 Academic的attending还要一个最大好处是可以很mean， 反正有intern/resident
|
s********o
发帖数: 3319 | 19 你说的话谁信啊。桃李不言 下自成蹊，你如果有一点半点可取之处，也不会像过街老
鼠那样人人喊打 LOL
【在 j**********e 的大作中提到】
: 你太搞笑了吧？我的学生成百上千，人人都很尊重我。这里的人妒忌我的铁饭碗，当
: 然心理上难以接受了。就好比大家都不尊重比尔盖慈一样，是一个道理的。
: 让你这样没有逻辑的人看病，病人应该倒吸一口凉气，早早买生命保险。。。太危险
: 了，简直是一叶障目。你平时总是把感冒诊断成心肌炎吧？！？！
|
l*****w
发帖数: 344 | 20 那将来哈佛要是要你，你是去还是不去呢？
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 做academic唯一的好处就是留在大城市，别的我还真没看出来什么。pension早就没有
: 了，这年头，什么都是虚的，把钱装在自己口袋才是实在的
:
: resident
|
|
|
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 21 i have pension.
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 做academic唯一的好处就是留在大城市，别的我还真没看出来什么。pension早就没有
: 了，这年头，什么都是虚的，把钱装在自己口袋才是实在的
:
: resident
|
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 22 你混的很差，所以妒忌我的成功。你永远也混不到我的地位和成就。在中国高考的时
候，我就远远高于你。现在也高于你，将来更加高于你。
【在 s********o 的大作中提到】
: 你说的话谁信啊。桃李不言 下自成蹊，你如果有一点半点可取之处，也不会像过街老
: 鼠那样人人喊打 LOL
|
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 23 名校这种光环，你一旦拥有过，就不会特别在乎这种光环了。比如我是清华毕业的，
我一辈子可以傲视所以哈佛麻省理工的毕业生，因为我比他们高。但是如果你从来
没有进过名校，那么你会一辈子羡慕向往哈佛的。。。
Finally, to answer your question, I do not care about Harvard at all. :)
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: 那将来哈佛要是要你，你是去还是不去呢？
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 24 嗯， 清华比MIT强太多了， 也拥有nobel奖获得者， 而且根本不用自己培养， 人家倒
贴的。
【在 j**********e 的大作中提到】
: 名校这种光环，你一旦拥有过，就不会特别在乎这种光环了。比如我是清华毕业的，
: 我一辈子可以傲视所以哈佛麻省理工的毕业生，因为我比他们高。但是如果你从来
: 没有进过名校，那么你会一辈子羡慕向往哈佛的。。。
: Finally, to answer your question, I do not care about Harvard at all. :)
|
a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 25 不去
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: 那将来哈佛要是要你，你是去还是不去呢？
|
a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 26 州立大学一边凉快去
【在 j**********e 的大作中提到】
: i have pension.
|
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 27 杨振宁还确实是西南联大(清华)培养出来的。这点没错。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 嗯， 清华比MIT强太多了， 也拥有nobel奖获得者， 而且根本不用自己培养， 人家倒
: 贴的。
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 28 不妨在Harvard混两年，然后跳槽。 因为刚毕业的竞争力很弱， 毕业几年后就可以理
智的挑选了。 带着Harvard的光环， 找一个private group，做他们的partner，拿他
们的bonus， 多爽。
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 不去
|
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 29 你以为白人都是傻子吗？？笑喷了。。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 不妨在Harvard混两年，然后跳槽。 因为刚毕业的竞争力很弱， 毕业几年后就可以理
: 智的挑选了。 带着Harvard的光环， 找一个private group，做他们的partner，拿他
: 们的bonus， 多爽。
|
l*****w
发帖数: 344 | 30 要是我就去。
1。 钱可以以后再挣， 哈佛的牌子可不是什么人都能拿到的
2。 名就是利，利就是名。。名转利易，利转名难。。。别钻到钱眼里了。
可惜没有好学校要我，，所以只好一
边凉快去了。
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 不去
|
|
|
a*********d
发帖数: 2763 | 31 土包子大妈医生上来发言，真的private practice了，毕业时间越长，哪里来的越不重
要，有的病人可能care，大部分病人不care。group大都不care，不过比较snobby的可
能会。
说一千，到一万。早点享受生活最重要。大家怎么开心就怎样，阿科黛咪也可以很轻松
，private也可以很自由，各有各的妙处。 |
l*****w
发帖数: 344 | 32 五道口技术学校也好意思夸口。。。
你答应给我看的天牛证书 我还没有看到，什么时候贴上来让我们也看看眼。
上次你说漏嘴说五道口技术学校数学系没有金工实习，现在google好了吗？要不要欧初
几道题来验证一下？
【在 j**********e 的大作中提到】
: 名校这种光环，你一旦拥有过，就不会特别在乎这种光环了。比如我是清华毕业的，
: 我一辈子可以傲视所以哈佛麻省理工的毕业生，因为我比他们高。但是如果你从来
: 没有进过名校，那么你会一辈子羡慕向往哈佛的。。。
: Finally, to answer your question, I do not care about Harvard at all. :)
|
l*****w
发帖数: 344 | 33 阿科黛咪也要算wrvu 了。 低了就要降工资，搞了可没奖金。。。
基本不涨工资，除非你大牛，把椅子抢过来。。
逆风妹妹，你的博克很好看呀! 加州真是好地方。。
前几天去了趟三番面试。那里的房子实在太贵了。而且大家好像都在忙着找路子发财，
不是我这种懒人呆的地方。有空聊聊作private practice的感受，也给我们壮壮胆。
【在 a*********d 的大作中提到】
: 土包子大妈医生上来发言，真的private practice了，毕业时间越长，哪里来的越不重
: 要，有的病人可能care，大部分病人不care。group大都不care，不过比较snobby的可
: 能会。
: 说一千，到一万。早点享受生活最重要。大家怎么开心就怎样，阿科黛咪也可以很轻松
: ，private也可以很自由，各有各的妙处。
|
V**y
发帖数: 788 | 34 因为你就在哈佛做统计教授所以不稀罕，一般人还是很羡慕向往哈佛的。
【在 j**********e 的大作中提到】
: 名校这种光环，你一旦拥有过，就不会特别在乎这种光环了。比如我是清华毕业的，
: 我一辈子可以傲视所以哈佛麻省理工的毕业生，因为我比他们高。但是如果你从来
: 没有进过名校，那么你会一辈子羡慕向往哈佛的。。。
: Finally, to answer your question, I do not care about Harvard at all. :)
|
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 35 longbow美眉，工作再多再好都是浮云，找个关心爱护你的老公最重要了。。this is
my suggestion.
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: 阿科黛咪也要算wrvu 了。 低了就要降工资，搞了可没奖金。。。
: 基本不涨工资，除非你大牛，把椅子抢过来。。
: 逆风妹妹，你的博克很好看呀! 加州真是好地方。。
: 前几天去了趟三番面试。那里的房子实在太贵了。而且大家好像都在忙着找路子发财，
: 不是我这种懒人呆的地方。有空聊聊作private practice的感受，也给我们壮壮胆。
|
j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 36 天牛证书只给我将来的老婆看。呵呵
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: 五道口技术学校也好意思夸口。。。
: 你答应给我看的天牛证书 我还没有看到，什么时候贴上来让我们也看看眼。
: 上次你说漏嘴说五道口技术学校数学系没有金工实习，现在google好了吗？要不要欧初
: 几道题来验证一下？
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l*****w
发帖数: 344 | 37 春波碧草，晓寒深处，相对拜天牛...
so romantic... :)
【在 j**********e 的大作中提到】
: 天牛证书只给我将来的老婆看。呵呵
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j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 38 美眉文采了得。。这个拜字用的相当传神，呵呵。
【在 l*****w 的大作中提到】
: 春波碧草，晓寒深处，相对拜天牛...
: so romantic... :)
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j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 39 小脸美眉是大才女！
【在 V**y 的大作中提到】
: 因为你就在哈佛做统计教授所以不稀罕，一般人还是很羡慕向往哈佛的。
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A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 40 算你有自知之明，第一次， 赞一下。
子虚乌有的东西， 怎么可能拿得出来？ 至于将来的老婆， 这里有人信教授哥哥将来
有老婆吗？ 所以没影的东西给意淫的东西看， 应该在逻辑上说得通。
【在 j**********e 的大作中提到】
: 天牛证书只给我将来的老婆看。呵呵
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j**********e
发帖数: 367 | 41 你还是不自信啊。天牛不是高不可攀的事务。80%的AP都能够拿到天牛。你看看大学
里有成千上万的副教授正教授，我是其中之一。。
同理，找老婆也不是高不可攀的事务。几十亿的男人都找到老婆了，我找个心仪的
女医生，也是100% for sure的事情。我相信我的能力和魅力。兄弟，您还是build
up your confidence first吧。：)
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 算你有自知之明，第一次， 赞一下。
: 子虚乌有的东西， 怎么可能拿得出来？ 至于将来的老婆， 这里有人信教授哥哥将来
: 有老婆吗？ 所以没影的东西给意淫的东西看， 应该在逻辑上说得通。
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