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Medicalpractice版 - How to start a private clinic?
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a********n
发帖数: 182
1
I am thinking to start a private primary care clinic all by myself. Any Doc
here have the experience? What would be the steps? To get credentials done
with insurance companies first? Or look for the location and rent an office?
Advertisement? When to hire a MA? How much money one will need to start a
clinic?
Thank you for the great help. Any input are welcome.
I am more determined than last time when I asked you guys. I need more
detailed information at this time. :)
A*******s
发帖数: 9638
2
Look for a workshop if possible.
btw, I heard this year's ACMA is considering this type workshop. Here is
their website:
www.acma.org

Doc
office?

【在 a********n 的大作中提到】
: I am thinking to start a private primary care clinic all by myself. Any Doc
: here have the experience? What would be the steps? To get credentials done
: with insurance companies first? Or look for the location and rent an office?
: Advertisement? When to hire a MA? How much money one will need to start a
: clinic?
: Thank you for the great help. Any input are welcome.
: I am more determined than last time when I asked you guys. I need more
: detailed information at this time. :)

s********o
发帖数: 3319
3
师兄好好干!我以后好来投奔你 :)

Doc
office?

【在 a********n 的大作中提到】
: I am thinking to start a private primary care clinic all by myself. Any Doc
: here have the experience? What would be the steps? To get credentials done
: with insurance companies first? Or look for the location and rent an office?
: Advertisement? When to hire a MA? How much money one will need to start a
: clinic?
: Thank you for the great help. Any input are welcome.
: I am more determined than last time when I asked you guys. I need more
: detailed information at this time. :)

f****b
发帖数: 2410
4
How long do you practice since you got license?
How many patients do you accumulate during your practice?
The first thing is location, location, location.
虽然对于PCP ,地点的选择与通常我们说的商业地点的考虑有些不同,但是地点的选择
仍然是第一重要的,
这里有许多因素你必须在第一时间作出决断,比如你是喜欢单干,还是更喜欢团体,很
多商业有价值的地点都被占据或租金
奇高,这些都将影响你的决断,在开始动手之前,你可能会看一些书来帮你做这一决断
,但到头来发现实用的了了无几,还有就是你的人脉如何,资金,病人累计数目等等,
都将对决定起作用,租用时间也是个很重要的参数,所有这些都会让你犹豫不绝,左顾
右盼,时间就很快就溜走了,所以专家建议,在做出这一决定之前,一定要多看,切不
可草率,估计看个半年,应该是很正常的,当你把地点决定了,其实你已经在许多方面
做出了决定,失败的例子是你并不完全清楚这些方面是如何影响你的日常运作的,当
你的地点决定了,可以说你已经完成了百分之70了,接下来是必要的仪器设备的订购
和安装,这是第二个让人费心的事情,不过PCP 没有什么仪器,几万块应该足以应付了
,更何况可以贷款,保险公司建立联系,并不复杂,你已经有一定的人群,接下来就是
如何开拓新病人了,每天不论你有无太多的病人,你都会显的精批力尽,祝贺你开始了
你的有生以来第一个生意,这只管重要,你要八面伶拢,你要有个帮手,这也很重要,

Doc
office?

【在 a********n 的大作中提到】
: I am thinking to start a private primary care clinic all by myself. Any Doc
: here have the experience? What would be the steps? To get credentials done
: with insurance companies first? Or look for the location and rent an office?
: Advertisement? When to hire a MA? How much money one will need to start a
: clinic?
: Thank you for the great help. Any input are welcome.
: I am more determined than last time when I asked you guys. I need more
: detailed information at this time. :)

A*******s
发帖数: 9638
5
Nice points.
That is why I suggested to start with a hopsitalist job in the area where
you desired to live. After a couple of months, you will have an idea if you
want to stay locally. Then you plan to start a practice. This way you
will know all the local physicians, hospital staff, and locations where you
may put your practice.
The 2nd step is to work on the insurance, since you are a hospitalist there
already, the application may be easier than you thought.
The staff for your office can be picked up in the hospital. You can find
the better candidate from the nurses who you already know in the practice.
You can start your office partime only first while still keep your hospital
job. This way, your income would not be affected that much. I see a lot of
private PCPs moonlighting in the hospital for extra cash.
PM me if you are interested in moving into my place. :)

【在 f****b 的大作中提到】
: How long do you practice since you got license?
: How many patients do you accumulate during your practice?
: The first thing is location, location, location.
: 虽然对于PCP ,地点的选择与通常我们说的商业地点的考虑有些不同,但是地点的选择
: 仍然是第一重要的,
: 这里有许多因素你必须在第一时间作出决断,比如你是喜欢单干,还是更喜欢团体,很
: 多商业有价值的地点都被占据或租金
: 奇高,这些都将影响你的决断,在开始动手之前,你可能会看一些书来帮你做这一决断
: ,但到头来发现实用的了了无几,还有就是你的人脉如何,资金,病人累计数目等等,
: 都将对决定起作用,租用时间也是个很重要的参数,所有这些都会让你犹豫不绝,左顾

a********n
发帖数: 182
6
This would be a good idea. I will take a look.

【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: Look for a workshop if possible.
: btw, I heard this year's ACMA is considering this type workshop. Here is
: their website:
: www.acma.org
:
: Doc
: office?

a********n
发帖数: 182
7
Well, well, Let's get united!

【在 s********o 的大作中提到】
: 师兄好好干!我以后好来投奔你 :)
:
: Doc
: office?

a********n
发帖数: 182
8
Well said.
So it would be hard to start as a fresh man in an area?
I have been practicing for several years, but relocated to a metropolitan
area recently.

【在 f****b 的大作中提到】
: How long do you practice since you got license?
: How many patients do you accumulate during your practice?
: The first thing is location, location, location.
: 虽然对于PCP ,地点的选择与通常我们说的商业地点的考虑有些不同,但是地点的选择
: 仍然是第一重要的,
: 这里有许多因素你必须在第一时间作出决断,比如你是喜欢单干,还是更喜欢团体,很
: 多商业有价值的地点都被占据或租金
: 奇高,这些都将影响你的决断,在开始动手之前,你可能会看一些书来帮你做这一决断
: ,但到头来发现实用的了了无几,还有就是你的人脉如何,资金,病人累计数目等等,
: 都将对决定起作用,租用时间也是个很重要的参数,所有这些都会让你犹豫不绝,左顾

a********n
发帖数: 182
9
Faint! Looks like I need to work more in this area before I consider to open
a solo practice. It is risky to do it in a brand new area.
But I never be a hospitalist. I do not like to work as a hospitalist. :(
Outpatient is my cup of tea. I realized that dream is dream. It looks so far
away.

you
you
there

【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: Nice points.
: That is why I suggested to start with a hopsitalist job in the area where
: you desired to live. After a couple of months, you will have an idea if you
: want to stay locally. Then you plan to start a practice. This way you
: will know all the local physicians, hospital staff, and locations where you
: may put your practice.
: The 2nd step is to work on the insurance, since you are a hospitalist there
: already, the application may be easier than you thought.
: The staff for your office can be picked up in the hospital. You can find
: the better candidate from the nurses who you already know in the practice.

f****b
发帖数: 2410
10
Aplusplus:
That is why I suggested to start with a hopsitalist job in the area where
you desired to live. After a couple of months, you will have an idea if you
want to stay locally. Then you plan to start a practice. Aplusplus):
>>> So it would be hard to start as a fresh man in an area?
Yes much harder, At least, it is not good idea. Aplusplus's advice makes a
lot of sense. And also moving too often is considered as a bad sign.
remember there are still a few failing family doctor exist while demanding
for FM is always high.
When you consider practicing yourself, 要准备两手都要硬。

【在 a********n 的大作中提到】
: Well said.
: So it would be hard to start as a fresh man in an area?
: I have been practicing for several years, but relocated to a metropolitan
: area recently.

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f******w
发帖数: 10267
11
谢谢你,我老人家终于看见一个我感兴趣的贴,厚厚!
不是拍砖,就是想跟这里的大牛牛小牛牛们一起商讨。
本人觉得,PCP在现在的形势下想fly solo是所有specialties里面最难的。多年以前,
混sdn时看见过这样一句话,good doctor<>good businessman。所以,兄弟,你做
market analysis了吗?在你选的practice的区域里有多少个Hospital,urgent care,
PCP groups and individuals?病人为啥来看你,而不会去看the joe/jane on the
corner of the next block? 我觉得这个问题是核心,其他的都是很容易操作的。如果
你是名医,像版主aplus,ok then, no problem,病人会慕名而来。如果你想做pain
management,或者botox,或者breast implant,ok,挣钱可能只是一个时间问题。
如果上面那个问题你已经有很好的答案了,下面就只是一个程序。注册你的经济实体,
我们州需要大概4个月(file application时,physical address是需要填的),向IRS
申请tax id,跟各个insurance申请加入各种plan,跟hospital申请privilage(一定要
想好如果你的病人被admit了,你自己管,还是不管)。请人做office manager,
accountant, MA。请人做marketing。都齐全了,ok,开张大吉!
回过来说说我自己的想法,赞同aplus说的,还是先脚踏两只船试试水深水浅。不过,
我不同意做hospitalist,那个轮班倒时间上套的太多,primary care,病人想看你看
不见,人基本不会等你。LD的师兄先是做part time urgent care,同时自己开个店,
雇个part time 的MA,和full time的office manager(如果你的spouse可以帮你做
office manager,你可以省掉一个人的钱)。大概有两年,基本没有什么profit,不知
道现在怎么样了。另一种走法,是看看谁在卖practice,已经有了全套硬件和patient
base,接手比较容易。第三种走法,是跟一个快到退休年龄的solo合伙,等他退了,你
把practice买过来。LD的师姐走的第三种,雇了4个NP,她自己基本就是business
woman,看病人的时间只有一半,病人来源主要是黑人和墨西哥人,绝大多数都是cash
,生意不错。

Doc
office?

【在 a********n 的大作中提到】
: I am thinking to start a private primary care clinic all by myself. Any Doc
: here have the experience? What would be the steps? To get credentials done
: with insurance companies first? Or look for the location and rent an office?
: Advertisement? When to hire a MA? How much money one will need to start a
: clinic?
: Thank you for the great help. Any input are welcome.
: I am more determined than last time when I asked you guys. I need more
: detailed information at this time. :)

A*******s
发帖数: 9638
12
说的挺好的。
我知道有的PCP到了新的地方后先给某个group干,然后自己出来, 就跟LZ的情况相似
。 开始时病人少就cover nursing home。 自己不去医院。
我觉得刚毕业的, 还是应该做一段hospitalist, 我个人觉得与其做fellowship不如
做hospitalist, 然后决定是private practice还是fellowship。 好处是hospitalist
非常练临床技能,工作一周休息一周, 工资也很不错。 一年下来, 就知道该做什么
了。
不要担心没有病人, 病人会有的, 就像面包会有的一样,不过就是时间问题。 到医
院去moonlighting绝对是个好主意, 平时如果有个别VIP或者high risk病人, 还是最
好自己到医院去。

【在 f******w 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢你,我老人家终于看见一个我感兴趣的贴,厚厚!
: 不是拍砖,就是想跟这里的大牛牛小牛牛们一起商讨。
: 本人觉得,PCP在现在的形势下想fly solo是所有specialties里面最难的。多年以前,
: 混sdn时看见过这样一句话,good doctor<>good businessman。所以,兄弟,你做
: market analysis了吗?在你选的practice的区域里有多少个Hospital,urgent care,
: PCP groups and individuals?病人为啥来看你,而不会去看the joe/jane on the
: corner of the next block? 我觉得这个问题是核心,其他的都是很容易操作的。如果
: 你是名医,像版主aplus,ok then, no problem,病人会慕名而来。如果你想做pain
: management,或者botox,或者breast implant,ok,挣钱可能只是一个时间问题。
: 如果上面那个问题你已经有很好的答案了,下面就只是一个程序。注册你的经济实体,

f******w
发帖数: 10267
13
嚼着好就赶紧的发包子!别人一句话就得您一个包子,我这儿这么多信息呢。
现在nursing home一般都有承包的,想打入得花点功夫,reimbursement不错,是一个
可以考虑的业务。ambulatory和hospital病人区别还是挺大,既然楼主喜欢office,也
没必要强求去做hospitalist,尽管自己管impatient病人能学很多东西。
觉得加入一个group,先建立起一定的病人基础比较好,至少,得把好名声建立起来。
我之所以说,primary care是各科里最难的,就是因为工作量大,但是reimbursement
不见得好,光看病人不做procedure挣钱,得累死。休假5的,基本都得扔脑后面去,因
为你休假了,病人给谁?有的group,其实就是几个人share overhead,billing得自己
做,这种的楼主也可以考虑一下。
再次提醒一下楼主,如果想做pain,那真的要三思,三思,那点儿钱真的不值当。

hospitalist

【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 说的挺好的。
: 我知道有的PCP到了新的地方后先给某个group干,然后自己出来, 就跟LZ的情况相似
: 。 开始时病人少就cover nursing home。 自己不去医院。
: 我觉得刚毕业的, 还是应该做一段hospitalist, 我个人觉得与其做fellowship不如
: 做hospitalist, 然后决定是private practice还是fellowship。 好处是hospitalist
: 非常练临床技能,工作一周休息一周, 工资也很不错。 一年下来, 就知道该做什么
: 了。
: 不要担心没有病人, 病人会有的, 就像面包会有的一样,不过就是时间问题。 到医
: 院去moonlighting绝对是个好主意, 平时如果有个别VIP或者high risk病人, 还是最
: 好自己到医院去。

A*******s
发帖数: 9638
14
进group都需要contract, 到时不是你想出来就可以在当地干的。

reimbursement

【在 f******w 的大作中提到】
: 嚼着好就赶紧的发包子!别人一句话就得您一个包子,我这儿这么多信息呢。
: 现在nursing home一般都有承包的,想打入得花点功夫,reimbursement不错,是一个
: 可以考虑的业务。ambulatory和hospital病人区别还是挺大,既然楼主喜欢office,也
: 没必要强求去做hospitalist,尽管自己管impatient病人能学很多东西。
: 觉得加入一个group,先建立起一定的病人基础比较好,至少,得把好名声建立起来。
: 我之所以说,primary care是各科里最难的,就是因为工作量大,但是reimbursement
: 不见得好,光看病人不做procedure挣钱,得累死。休假5的,基本都得扔脑后面去,因
: 为你休假了,病人给谁?有的group,其实就是几个人share overhead,billing得自己
: 做,这种的楼主也可以考虑一下。
: 再次提醒一下楼主,如果想做pain,那真的要三思,三思,那点儿钱真的不值当。

f******w
发帖数: 10267
15
very good point! 所以要看contract里的non compete clause,进contract之前一定
得知道州的法律。西海岸这几个州法律规定,随便compete,你就是在group对面开一店
,也没人管你。

【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 进group都需要contract, 到时不是你想出来就可以在当地干的。
:
: reimbursement

a********n
发帖数: 182
16
有道理。看来真的是需要积累更多经验。
问了一下做SPECIALIST的师兄,感觉他真的很累。他说如果你的目标并不是想挣钱,自
己开诊所并不比在GROUP里干轻松。可能会自由些。

【在 f******w 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢你,我老人家终于看见一个我感兴趣的贴,厚厚!
: 不是拍砖,就是想跟这里的大牛牛小牛牛们一起商讨。
: 本人觉得,PCP在现在的形势下想fly solo是所有specialties里面最难的。多年以前,
: 混sdn时看见过这样一句话,good doctor<>good businessman。所以,兄弟,你做
: market analysis了吗?在你选的practice的区域里有多少个Hospital,urgent care,
: PCP groups and individuals?病人为啥来看你,而不会去看the joe/jane on the
: corner of the next block? 我觉得这个问题是核心,其他的都是很容易操作的。如果
: 你是名医,像版主aplus,ok then, no problem,病人会慕名而来。如果你想做pain
: management,或者botox,或者breast implant,ok,挣钱可能只是一个时间问题。
: 如果上面那个问题你已经有很好的答案了,下面就只是一个程序。注册你的经济实体,

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