v**e 发帖数: 367 | 1 因长期腿酸膝盖疼,但X片,电解质,风湿因子都没问题,当时的家庭医生推荐看风湿
专科排除一下。看这个风湿医生时候,他说不是风湿,不清楚什么原因,原话大致是'I
don't know what I am looking at'.说以后不用再找他。首次看过以后,没有再找过
这个风湿医生。
几个月后情况继续加重,搬家后新的家庭医生要求把以前所有医生那里的病历传真过来
。一个偶然的机会,看到风湿医生给前家庭医生的信,里面的说法,令人惊讶且气愤'.
..I don't have an obvious explanation for XX's pains. I was not entirely
convinced that these are all organic-based complains but possibly there are
cultural aspects that I am not appreciating...'按照这个医生的说法,第一,病
人的痛苦不是真实的,是自己的想象。第二,这跟病人的文化背景有关。
请教风湿医生这种行为是否违背医德,是否涉嫌种族歧视。该医生看起来快70岁,白人
男。我应该怎样speak up. 谢谢! |
l*h 发帖数: 4124 | 2 from what you wrote, I truly believe you should have a psychiatric
evaluation.
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【在 v**e 的大作中提到】 : 因长期腿酸膝盖疼,但X片,电解质,风湿因子都没问题,当时的家庭医生推荐看风湿 : 专科排除一下。看这个风湿医生时候,他说不是风湿,不清楚什么原因,原话大致是'I : don't know what I am looking at'.说以后不用再找他。首次看过以后,没有再找过 : 这个风湿医生。 : 几个月后情况继续加重,搬家后新的家庭医生要求把以前所有医生那里的病历传真过来 : 。一个偶然的机会,看到风湿医生给前家庭医生的信,里面的说法,令人惊讶且气愤'. : ..I don't have an obvious explanation for XX's pains. I was not entirely : convinced that these are all organic-based complains but possibly there are : cultural aspects that I am not appreciating...'按照这个医生的说法,第一,病 : 人的痛苦不是真实的,是自己的想象。第二,这跟病人的文化背景有关。
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v**e 发帖数: 367 | 3
That's interesting. May I ask why? Do you truly believe these are imaginary
symptoms?
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/Medicine/31268289.html
【在 l*h 的大作中提到】 : from what you wrote, I truly believe you should have a psychiatric : evaluation. : : 'I : '. : are
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m**********r 发帖数: 2099 | 4 你好!
在美国,专科医生可以对自己的病人写出自己的opinion并share给病人的家庭医生。其
中,malingering,或者hypochondria是valid opinion之一。尤其是疼痛的诊断及治疗
,是highly subjective,就是说是不是痛,以及到底多痛,这世界上只有患者一个人
清楚,如果没有病理学的佐证及体征的corroboration ,临床医生完全有权作出
hypochondria的诊断。
你现在想证明的是对方的诊疗意见有racial discrimination,你需要:
第一步:证明对方在诊疗过程中有错误,需要找到一个合格专家,根据你当时的症状以
及体征、实验室检查,可以上庭作证对方这样的opinion是below standard of care
第二部:其次需要证明racial discrimination是对方这种错误的原因
第三部:证明你由于这个racial discrimination受到了经济上的损失以及精神上的损失
你现在能够做的,就是首先找到另一名合格专家,至少证明第一步,第一步证明以后:
第二步证明,需要你正式诉讼这个医生以后,找这个医生的病人以及办公室工作人员做
口供。从中得到这个医生言语上,以及诊疗过程中有racial discrimination,之后这
个医生对周围的人供认对你有discrimination,以及这个医生以前的racial
discrimination言论,这些都可以间接对你的案子有利;第三步证明,需要你提供由于
这个alleged discrimination,你有例如丢掉工作,精神障碍需要看心理医生,你需要
出示这些花费的账单etc.
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【在 v**e 的大作中提到】 : 因长期腿酸膝盖疼,但X片,电解质,风湿因子都没问题,当时的家庭医生推荐看风湿 : 专科排除一下。看这个风湿医生时候,他说不是风湿,不清楚什么原因,原话大致是'I : don't know what I am looking at'.说以后不用再找他。首次看过以后,没有再找过 : 这个风湿医生。 : 几个月后情况继续加重,搬家后新的家庭医生要求把以前所有医生那里的病历传真过来 : 。一个偶然的机会,看到风湿医生给前家庭医生的信,里面的说法,令人惊讶且气愤'. : ..I don't have an obvious explanation for XX's pains. I was not entirely : convinced that these are all organic-based complains but possibly there are : cultural aspects that I am not appreciating...'按照这个医生的说法,第一,病 : 人的痛苦不是真实的,是自己的想象。第二,这跟病人的文化背景有关。
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A*****a 发帖数: 52743 | 5 你怎么翻译那个诊断opinion?
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【在 v**e 的大作中提到】 : 因长期腿酸膝盖疼,但X片,电解质,风湿因子都没问题,当时的家庭医生推荐看风湿 : 专科排除一下。看这个风湿医生时候,他说不是风湿,不清楚什么原因,原话大致是'I : don't know what I am looking at'.说以后不用再找他。首次看过以后,没有再找过 : 这个风湿医生。 : 几个月后情况继续加重,搬家后新的家庭医生要求把以前所有医生那里的病历传真过来 : 。一个偶然的机会,看到风湿医生给前家庭医生的信,里面的说法,令人惊讶且气愤'. : ..I don't have an obvious explanation for XX's pains. I was not entirely : convinced that these are all organic-based complains but possibly there are : cultural aspects that I am not appreciating...'按照这个医生的说法,第一,病 : 人的痛苦不是真实的,是自己的想象。第二,这跟病人的文化背景有关。
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l*h 发帖数: 4124 | 6 I don't think the post you referred provided sufficient information to rule
in or rule out physical disease. But it strengthened my opinion that you
should see a psychiatric health provider.
imaginary
【在 v**e 的大作中提到】 : : That's interesting. May I ask why? Do you truly believe these are imaginary : symptoms? : http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/Medicine/31268289.html
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d**********y 发帖数: 1506 | 7 不要轻易地将一个人的病痛诊断为疑病症,这样的轻率会造成漏诊和误诊。
即使是疑病,也没必要跟文化搭上边。 |
d**********y 发帖数: 1506 | 8 如果真实情况如楼主所述,那个风湿科医生很不专业。
【在 d**********y 的大作中提到】 : 不要轻易地将一个人的病痛诊断为疑病症,这样的轻率会造成漏诊和误诊。 : 即使是疑病,也没必要跟文化搭上边。
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c*****g 发帖数: 21627 | 9 我觉得那个医生是对你好
真正种族歧视的医生,忽悠你,装作nice,
然后忽悠你花N多钱,买一些没有用甚至有害的药
我在霉国遇到的烂医生,实在太多了
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【在 v**e 的大作中提到】 : 因长期腿酸膝盖疼,但X片,电解质,风湿因子都没问题,当时的家庭医生推荐看风湿 : 专科排除一下。看这个风湿医生时候,他说不是风湿,不清楚什么原因,原话大致是'I : don't know what I am looking at'.说以后不用再找他。首次看过以后,没有再找过 : 这个风湿医生。 : 几个月后情况继续加重,搬家后新的家庭医生要求把以前所有医生那里的病历传真过来 : 。一个偶然的机会,看到风湿医生给前家庭医生的信,里面的说法,令人惊讶且气愤'. : ..I don't have an obvious explanation for XX's pains. I was not entirely : convinced that these are all organic-based complains but possibly there are : cultural aspects that I am not appreciating...'按照这个医生的说法,第一,病 : 人的痛苦不是真实的,是自己的想象。第二,这跟病人的文化背景有关。
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c*********l 发帖数: 1065 | 10 不是种族歧视,是你这么对待医生诊断的态度招人烦了,
我最近也是,被家人逼着找医生做某项体检,医生不同意,说化验没问题,没理由相信
存在消化系统毛病,搞得原本很nice的医生挺不开心的
你知道的,国内老人家都是疑神疑鬼的,去医院都是能做检查就做,
大概真是文化差异 |
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v**o 发帖数: 4956 | 11 没看出有歧视你的意思
医学上的风湿和中国传统文化上的风湿确实不是一回事。人家让你不要去了,是忠言逆
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i**y 发帖数: 6 | 12 那个风湿科医生很不专业:
http://phdtree.org/
http://phdtree.org/toplist/field/cs/
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【在 v**e 的大作中提到】 : 因长期腿酸膝盖疼,但X片,电解质,风湿因子都没问题,当时的家庭医生推荐看风湿 : 专科排除一下。看这个风湿医生时候,他说不是风湿,不清楚什么原因,原话大致是'I : don't know what I am looking at'.说以后不用再找他。首次看过以后,没有再找过 : 这个风湿医生。 : 几个月后情况继续加重,搬家后新的家庭医生要求把以前所有医生那里的病历传真过来 : 。一个偶然的机会,看到风湿医生给前家庭医生的信,里面的说法,令人惊讶且气愤'. : ..I don't have an obvious explanation for XX's pains. I was not entirely : convinced that these are all organic-based complains but possibly there are : cultural aspects that I am not appreciating...'按照这个医生的说法,第一,病 : 人的痛苦不是真实的,是自己的想象。第二,这跟病人的文化背景有关。
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l*h 发帖数: 4124 | 13 man / woman,
you had absolutely no idea what you were talking about. no matter it's in
the US or in China, psychosocial/cultural/mental state is very important in
"disease" presentation. if you don't know it, you won't be able to pass
exams in your first year of medical school.
【在 d**********y 的大作中提到】 : 不要轻易地将一个人的病痛诊断为疑病症,这样的轻率会造成漏诊和误诊。 : 即使是疑病,也没必要跟文化搭上边。
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l*h 发帖数: 4124 | 14 man / woman,
you had absolutely no idea what you were talking about. no matter it's in
the US or in China, psychosocial/cultural/mental state is very important in
"disease" presentation. if you don't know it, you won't be able to pass
exams in your first year of medical school.
【在 d**********y 的大作中提到】 : 如果真实情况如楼主所述,那个风湿科医生很不专业。
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l*h 发帖数: 4124 | 15 victim mindedness itself is among the symptoms of many mental illnesses.
seeing everyone as malevolent without basis is seriously psychiatric.
imaginary
【在 v**e 的大作中提到】 : : That's interesting. May I ask why? Do you truly believe these are imaginary : symptoms? : http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/Medicine/31268289.html
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h***f 发帖数: 162 | 16 I don't know if lz requires a psychiatric evaluation, but I see no racism in
the provided documentation. The provider could not provide an organic
explanation for the patient's pain, but he concedes that there are
psychosocial factors which he may not be appreciating. This demonstrates to
me that he acknowledges there are social and cultural factors which he does
not understand. A provider who acknowledges his shortcomings is not racist,
to the contrary, he is socially aware. |
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l*******g 发帖数: 27064 | 18 为什么中国wsn/wsnv的心灵总是这么脆弱敏感? |
h****n 发帖数: 2250 | 19 不是种族歧视,是ego。不用和他生气,对谁他都是这个态度的。北京话,德行样儿。
即使你是malingering 也不应该这种态度。 |
l*h 发帖数: 4124 | 20 Let's be clear: it's the original poster who thinks his culture is extremely
inferior, therefore he felt offended by any mentioning of cultural factors
in disease processes. The same goes for those people who denies that China
is among the countries with the highest TB infection rates, the highest
diabetic rates and the highest hypertension rates. |
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c******b 发帖数: 21 | 21 LZ,你听我一句劝告,这个医生不是歧视你,心理/理念上的问题和症状是紧密相连的
。你应该去看一下psychiatric doctors. 不是说你是神经病,而是说心理因素很大程
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s******h 发帖数: 330 | 22 Basis of your statement? Is it the same for those US people who deny that US
is among the countries with the worst human right record?
By the way, you may need to practice your Chinglish better. It should go as
"The same goes for those people who deny that ...", instead of "denies".
extremely
factors
【在 l*h 的大作中提到】 : Let's be clear: it's the original poster who thinks his culture is extremely : inferior, therefore he felt offended by any mentioning of cultural factors : in disease processes. The same goes for those people who denies that China : is among the countries with the highest TB infection rates, the highest : diabetic rates and the highest hypertension rates.
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l*h 发帖数: 4124 | 23 i don't mind my "Chinglish." it's perfectly admissible in the courts of law
in the US as was shown in the past.
US
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【在 s******h 的大作中提到】 : Basis of your statement? Is it the same for those US people who deny that US : is among the countries with the worst human right record? : By the way, you may need to practice your Chinglish better. It should go as : "The same goes for those people who deny that ...", instead of "denies". : : extremely : factors
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t*******n 发帖数: 4445 | 24 看医生不是买东西找工作!!!非裔更容易高血压,亚裔糖尿病筛选和欧裔有别。同样
的疾病症状也会和文化背景有关。
很多病都有心理因素,怀疑身心疾病和说你装病或者神经病完全不一样。
医生态度是稍差些,referral到别的科去不好么。但如果没发现生理问题,换你是医生
怎么写病历?
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【在 v**e 的大作中提到】 : 因长期腿酸膝盖疼,但X片,电解质,风湿因子都没问题,当时的家庭医生推荐看风湿 : 专科排除一下。看这个风湿医生时候,他说不是风湿,不清楚什么原因,原话大致是'I : don't know what I am looking at'.说以后不用再找他。首次看过以后,没有再找过 : 这个风湿医生。 : 几个月后情况继续加重,搬家后新的家庭医生要求把以前所有医生那里的病历传真过来 : 。一个偶然的机会,看到风湿医生给前家庭医生的信,里面的说法,令人惊讶且气愤'. : ..I don't have an obvious explanation for XX's pains. I was not entirely : convinced that these are all organic-based complains but possibly there are : cultural aspects that I am not appreciating...'按照这个医生的说法,第一,病 : 人的痛苦不是真实的,是自己的想象。第二,这跟病人的文化背景有关。
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