q********i
发帖数: 4290 | 1 咱不管它铁道部谁当部长。下的和上的都是贪官污吏，没有好东西，都不是咱们的亲戚
，谁在位对咱们都是一回事。谁下去了，你也别惋惜，你也别落井下石。你惋惜、你落
井下石也没用。谁上来了，你也别瞧不起，你也别寄予厚望。好也好不到哪去，坏也坏
不到哪去，两个（此处省略两个字）熬汤一个（此处省略两个字）味！
讨论谁上谁下，还不如讨论一下未来的国内铁路改革。
好多人抱怨国内铁道部不改革，并且把铁路和航空比，说铁路的改革远远落后于航空的
改革。
航空好改革，有现成的美国经验。 国内的航空就像美国一样，成立了好多航空公司。
每个航空公司拥有自己的客机，雇佣自己的雇员，招揽自己的顾客，租用每个机场的一
部分地段。就齐了，就你争我抢吧，竞争机制就铺开了。
铁路咋改？
我知道的美国铁路的事不多，都是道听途说来的，可能有些是错误的和过时的。美国的
铁路和老百姓关系不大。和老伴姓关系大的铁路都是在几个大一些的城市，相互基本隔
离，由不同的铁路公司来经营。大跨度的，好像就一个联合太平洋公司经营货运，一个
美铁经营客运。据说美铁还是政府所有，并且几乎不拥有铁路线，但有受保护的铁路线
使用权。哪位知道的，请更正和补充。
有人知道一些欧洲发达国家的铁路经营情况吗？还有谁知道澳大利亚、新西兰、加拿大
的铁路运营情况？
这铁路改革就是难，难就难在铁路要用铁路线。成立很多公司竞争？他们不但要分享车
站，还要分享线路，不会有竞争的公平性。好比，A 公司和 B 公司都跑北京到上海，
你让 A 公司跑白天，你让 B 公司跑黑天，那就不合理。莫非中国也来一个“联合太平
洋”和一个“美铁”，一个管货运，一个管客运，那改得就没啥意义了。
如果我们能给国内的铁路改革提些好的建议，那意义就大了去了。 | D********y
发帖数: 4948 | | v****e
发帖数: 895 | | v****d
发帖数: 2300 | 4 显而易见的
【在 D********y 的大作中提到】
: 改了以后，物价上涨，客票上涨，再也没有普铁啦
| s*****r
发帖数: 43070 | 5 中国的国情复杂，外国铁路的参考意义不大。
现在18个铁路局，很多地方还不满意，结果估计是每省一个，外加四个直辖市。
现在各省肯定都在向中央进表，要求成立地方铁路公司，自负盈亏，今年人大会上会有
不少这样的提案。
谁都知道，铁路有了定价权，根本亏不了，地方财政还能有大进项。 | b*******8
发帖数: 37364 | 6 跟在别国屁股后面都容易，比如矮子的改革开放。真要搞全世界都没搞过的大国铁路改
革，就没辙了。天朝创新能力，几百年来都一直不行了。 | a*********g
发帖数: 8087 | 7 美国的货运是世界超一流的
当然不仅仅是up，至少还有nbsf，csx两大巨头
美国的货运其实很值得国内学习 | I****9
发帖数: 5245 | | L*****s
发帖数: 6046 | 9 现在几十个城市的地方铁路，地铁，轻轨各自搞一滩，跨越的以强势国铁为主导的思路是正确
的，可以资源共享，减少浪费。 | M*****c
发帖数: 3306 | 10 mlgb，省略几个字你以为就是赵本山了？最烦这种傻不垃圾的瞎跟风的。 | r***a
发帖数: 2628 | 11 其实这个很好改。
从那发车的就有那个铁路局负责。
铁路的盈利和花费分摊下去。
铁道部做好调度就行了。
【在 q********i 的大作中提到】
: 咱不管它铁道部谁当部长。下的和上的都是贪官污吏，没有好东西，都不是咱们的亲戚
: ，谁在位对咱们都是一回事。谁下去了，你也别惋惜，你也别落井下石。你惋惜、你落
: 井下石也没用。谁上来了，你也别瞧不起，你也别寄予厚望。好也好不到哪去，坏也坏
: 不到哪去，两个（此处省略两个字）熬汤一个（此处省略两个字）味！
: 讨论谁上谁下，还不如讨论一下未来的国内铁路改革。
: 好多人抱怨国内铁道部不改革，并且把铁路和航空比，说铁路的改革远远落后于航空的
: 改革。
: 航空好改革，有现成的美国经验。 国内的航空就像美国一样，成立了好多航空公司。
: 每个航空公司拥有自己的客机，雇佣自己的雇员，招揽自己的顾客，租用每个机场的一
: 部分地段。就齐了，就你争我抢吧，竞争机制就铺开了。
| c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 12 (1) Originally from Taiwan, I have lived in US for a quarter century, mpstly
in greater Boston area.
Thanks for being honest that you know little about US. I do not know what
you are saying when you said, "和老伴姓关系大的铁路都是在几个大一些的城市，
相互基本隔离." Do you mean commuter rail of large cities?
Commuter rail in North America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commuter_rail_in_North_America
(a) As I say, I live in metropolitan Boston. 以管窺天.
MBTA Commuter Rail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBTA_Commuter_Rail
(The MBTA Commuter Rail serves as the regional rail arm of the Massachusetts
Bay Transportation Authority; The commuter rail system is the fifth-busiest
commuter rail in the country, after only New York and Chicago area systems;
The Commonwealth of Massachusetts's involvement with the operating facets
of commuter rail began in 1967 when private Boston & Maine Railroad (B & M),
The New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad (NYNH&H, or simply "New Haven
"), and Boston & Albany Railroad (B&A) all experienced financial difficulty
, eventually petitioned bankruptcy and sold track assets to Commonwealth of
Massachusetts)
(b) Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority (MBTA) is a state agency. (
Officially Massachusetts is a commonwealth, not a state. The "state agency"
here is a shorthand for commonwealth agency.) Its history:
http://www.mbta.com/about_the_mbta/history/
("While Boston is the birthplace of American liberty, it is also the
birthplace of American mass transportation. Beginning with a family-operated
ferry service * * * Mass transportation first emerged in the city in 1631")
Note:
(i) Pilgrims arrived at Plymouth in 1620. Puritans founded Boston in 1630.
(ii) The history talks about "mainland, because Boston used to be a
pennisula, which was expanded through phases of landfill. Check wiki for
maps.
(iii) Boston constructed North America's first subway (1897).
(2) This wiki page is wonderful. Please read.
Rail transport in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_the_United_State
Also:
(a) History of rail transport in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rail_transport_in_the_U
(b) Amtrak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak
(c) Transportation in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_in_the_United_State
(The vast majority of passenger travel occurs by automobile for shorter
distances, and airplane for longer distances. In descending order, most
cargoes travel by railroad, truck, pipeline, or boat; air shipping is
typically used only for perishables and premium express shipments.)
(3) China railroad may not be so bad after all. China has busy building rail
domestically and go about the globe to build, too. The latest:
China to Build Columbia's Rails To Challenge Panama Canalhttp://mitbbs.com/article_t0/ChinaNews/32296239.html
【在 q********i 的大作中提到】
: 咱不管它铁道部谁当部长。下的和上的都是贪官污吏，没有好东西，都不是咱们的亲戚
: ，谁在位对咱们都是一回事。谁下去了，你也别惋惜，你也别落井下石。你惋惜、你落
: 井下石也没用。谁上来了，你也别瞧不起，你也别寄予厚望。好也好不到哪去，坏也坏
: 不到哪去，两个（此处省略两个字）熬汤一个（此处省略两个字）味！
: 讨论谁上谁下，还不如讨论一下未来的国内铁路改革。
: 好多人抱怨国内铁道部不改革，并且把铁路和航空比，说铁路的改革远远落后于航空的
: 改革。
: 航空好改革，有现成的美国经验。 国内的航空就像美国一样，成立了好多航空公司。
: 每个航空公司拥有自己的客机，雇佣自己的雇员，招揽自己的顾客，租用每个机场的一
: 部分地段。就齐了，就你争我抢吧，竞争机制就铺开了。
| c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 13 (1) BNSF Railway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNSF_Railway
Quote:
"The BNSF Railway (reporting mark BNSF), formerly known as the Burlington
Northern Santa Fe Railway, is an American freight railroad company
headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas; it is one of four remaining
transcontinental railroads and one of the largest freight railroad networks
in North America. Only the Union Pacific Railroad, its primary competitor
for Western U.S. freight, is larger in size.
"On November 3, 2009, Warren Buffett said Berkshire Hathaway would buy BNSF
for $44 billion. The acquisition was approved by the boards of both
companies and was approved by BNSF shareholders on February 12, 2010.
(2) You say 美国的货运是世界超一流的. You are a pro 行家.
America Railways | High-Speed Railroading: America’s system of rail
freight is the world’s best. High-speed passenger trains could ruin it.
Economist, July 22, 2010.
http://www.economist.com/node
/16636101?story_id=16636101
Quote:
"These [Europe's railways] are successful—although once the (off-balance-
sheet) costs of building the tracks are counted, they need subsidies of
billions of dollars a year. But, outside Germany and Switzerland, Europe’s
freight rail services are a fragmented, lossmaking mess. Repeated attempts
to remove the technical and bureaucratic hurdles at national frontiers have
come to nothing.
"Amtrak’s passenger services are sparse compared with Europe’s. But
America’s freight railways are one of the unsung transport successes of the
past 30 years. They are universally recognised in the industry as the best
in the world.
"Before deregulation America’s railways were going bust.
"Rail’s share of the freight market, measured in ton-miles, has risen
steadily to 43%—about the highest in any rich country.
"American rail freight is among the cheapest in the world, costing less than
half as much as in Japan or Europe. After adjusting for differences in
purchasing power it is cheaper even than in China.
Note:
(a) Union Station (Los Angeles)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Station_(Los_Angeles)
(Opened in May 1939, Union Station is known as the "Last of the Great
Railway Stations" built in the United States)
(b) The article discussed the "$34 billion purchase last year by Warren
Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway of Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF)." Mr
Buffett "acquir[ed] $10 billion in debt" in addition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNSF_Railway
(c) Powder River (Montana)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_River_(Montana)
(a tributary of the Yellowstone River, approximately 375 miles (604 km) long
in the southeastern Montana and northeastern Wyoming; The Powder River was
so named because the sand along a portion of its banks resembled gunpowder;
The Powder River Basin near the Montana/Wyoming border is a major source of
low-sulfur coal mined in the United States
So you know river sand was blackish, not white.
(d) For "double-decker ones" (ones represent "freight wagon"), see Goods
wagon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_wagon
(US: freight cars; caption of the last photo: North American container train
services often employ the widely-used double-stacked container wagons, as
here in Rochelle, Illinois.)
(e) Alameda Corridor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alameda_Corridor
(a 20 mile (32 km) freight rail "expressway" owned by the Alameda Corridor
Transportation Authority (reporting mark ATAX), connecting the national rail
system near downtown Los Angeles, California to the ports of Los Angeles
and Long Beach, running parallel to Alameda Street)
Photos:
(i) http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/alameda/alameda3.html
(the corridor is in bewteen two roads)
(ii) Tutor Saliba Projects
http://www.tutorsalibaprojects.com/projects/
(photo No. 4) | t*****e
发帖数: 15794 | 14 牛!!
mpstly
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: (1) Originally from Taiwan, I have lived in US for a quarter century, mpstly
: in greater Boston area.
: Thanks for being honest that you know little about US. I do not know what
: you are saying when you said, "和老伴姓关系大的铁路都是在几个大一些的城市，
: 相互基本隔离." Do you mean commuter rail of large cities?
: Commuter rail in North America
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commuter_rail_in_North_America
: (a) As I say, I live in metropolitan Boston. 以管窺天.
: MBTA Commuter Rail
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBTA_Commuter_Rail
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