k*********t
发帖数: 2999 | |
o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 2 美国示威不是什么新鲜事。
【在 k*********t 的大作中提到】
: 结束了吗？怎么没人关心了。
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k*********t
发帖数: 2999 | 3 结束没有？
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: 美国示威不是什么新鲜事。
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 4 应该结束了吧，他们也得上班啊。
【在 k*********t 的大作中提到】
: 结束没有？
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 5 州长不妥协。威胁说如果不通过法律。下周州长开始裁人。 |
k*********t
发帖数: 2999 | 6 不要想当然，到底结束没有？
看来你不知道。呵呵
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: 应该结束了吧，他们也得上班啊。
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 7 没有。几千人昨天继续闹。但是规模小了很多。
现在俄亥俄是斗争的中心。
【在 k*********t 的大作中提到】
: 不要想当然，到底结束没有？
: 看来你不知道。呵呵
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x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 8 如果这样工会就怂了，那工会有没有collectively bargain的权利都没啥区别了啊。工
会的存在还有什么意义呢？
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 州长不妥协。威胁说如果不通过法律。下周州长开始裁人。
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x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 9 俄亥俄多少人了？情况发展到哪一步了？
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 没有。几千人昨天继续闹。但是规模小了很多。
: 现在俄亥俄是斗争的中心。
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 10 裁人。工会一点辙都没有。去年newark市长和警察工会协商减薪，谈不下来。最后市长
就是裁人了事。
美国人很自私的。裁人，裁不到自己不影响自己拿钱。
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 如果这样工会就怂了，那工会有没有collectively bargain的权利都没啥区别了啊。工
: 会的存在还有什么意义呢？
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 11 你可以有COLLECTIVE BARGAIN的权力，
我有开除你的权力。
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 如果这样工会就怂了，那工会有没有collectively bargain的权利都没啥区别了啊。工
: 会的存在还有什么意义呢？
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 12 俄亥俄更牛，州长要直接灭了工会。
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 俄亥俄多少人了？情况发展到哪一步了？
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x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 13 原来如此。也就是说工会愿意裁人但是不愿意降低工资。
也可以理解，被裁的人到别处找工作说不定工资比原来还高呢。
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 裁人。工会一点辙都没有。去年newark市长和警察工会协商减薪，谈不下来。最后市长
: 就是裁人了事。
: 美国人很自私的。裁人，裁不到自己不影响自己拿钱。
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 14 因为工会是论资排辈的，
裁人从刚进入政府的公务员裁起。
很多公务员，宁肯年轻人被裁掉，也要自己的高工资啊。
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 原来如此。也就是说工会愿意裁人但是不愿意降低工资。
: 也可以理解，被裁的人到别处找工作说不定工资比原来还高呢。
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x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 15 那工会什么反应？
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 俄亥俄更牛，州长要直接灭了工会。
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l**m
发帖数: 5113 | 16 要灭了州长
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 那工会什么反应？
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k*********t
发帖数: 2999 | 17 被裁的人会费白交了呀。
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 裁人。工会一点辙都没有。去年newark市长和警察工会协商减薪，谈不下来。最后市长
: 就是裁人了事。
: 美国人很自私的。裁人，裁不到自己不影响自己拿钱。
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 18 The next focus of demonstrators protesting collective bargaining reforms
should be Columbus, Ohio where thousands, if not tens-of-thousands, of
protestors are expected to gather Tuesday and shout their views about a
controversial bill that puts labor unions in the crosshairs of a determined
governor intent on salvaging his state's financial situation.
The protests should look and sound much like the ones from Madison,
Wisconsin that have gripped the nation in the recent days and marries an
uncomfortable economic reality with political opportunity.
"It's to put our children first. It's to do the things without regard to
political considerations and try to serve the public," Ohio Governor John
Kasich told FOX News late Monday afternoon from the same building where
demonstrators will rally Tuesday. "And if we get that done; we balance our
budget--$8 billion in the hole--without a tax increase and we've cut taxes
on income taxes, that's going to send a message to the rest of that country
that if they can do it [in Columbus], they can do it in their state and they
maybe, guess what, they might actually be able to do something like this in
Washington."
While the broad pictures of Wisconsin and Ohio are similar with declarations
of impending economic disaster and cures of pension and collective
bargaining reform, a closer look at the proposals in both states reveal a
significant difference.
The Wisconsin reforms don't cover all public employee unions. Firefighters
and police officers, for example, aren't on the hook in the Badger State but
all unionized state and municipal employees in Ohio are subject to the
reforms proposed in Senate Bill 5, which would strip the collective
bargaining rights of all public workers.
"We have a very tight budget statewide and our local governments have....
budgets and expenditures that are blossoming out of control," state Senator
Kevin Bacon explained to FOX News. "And part of that is because of the
current collective bargaining contracts in place."
Bacon, a Republican, says Ohio is no different than other states facing
budget shortfalls and says the legislation is necessary, "so that we can
give local and state governments the ability to adjust in the event they
have a year when tax receipts are lower than the previous year."
That argument doesn't sway Brookhaven High School teacher Phil Hayes who
says the bill is political opportunism disguised as good governance. "This
bill unfortunately takes aim at organizations that advocate for me so I can
advocate for my students. And this bill will make it harder for me to
advocate for my students without those organizations advocating for me."
Columbus has already seen protestors expressing outrage over the proposal
but Tuesday's rally is expected to be much larger.
A spokesman for the Ohio State Patrol says extra troopers have been assigned
to provide security inside and outside the Statehouse. Lieutenant Ken Kocab
told FOX News the rally will likely be the largest he's seen in 18 years
with the OSP but he was unable to provide an estimate of how many people
they're preparing to watch. Kocab says there's no intelligence to suggest
Tuesday's rally will turn violent.
"Now is the time. If ever there was a time to show up, stand up and let our
voices be heard, it is now," former Ohio Governor Ted Strickland recently
wrote in a letter to Ohio Democrats asking them to attend the rally.
Strickland lost the governor's mansion to Kasich in November but is clearly
engaged in the debate. "The fate of Ohio's middle class is on the line at
the Ohio Statehouse," he said.
The reelection fate of President Obama could also be on the line Tuesday.
Obama will appear in Cleveland, not Columbus, Tuesday making his 13th visit
to Ohio--more than any other state--since entering the White House in 2009.
That level of presidential attention isn't unusual given Ohio's key role in
resembling the national attitude.
While the official purpose of Obama's meeting is to promote the economic
importance of small businesses, his level of involvement in the Columbus
rally and the issues surrounding the contentious debate could play a huge
role in his reelection success.
Having the organizational support of Ohio's labor unions is critical for any
Democrat to find Election Day success. Obama is no different. But if the
state's non-union voters who are more likely to be independent or Republican
see Obama as too much in the camp of the state's unions then he could be
vulnerable in 2012.
Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/02/21/columbus-takes-center-stage-next-big-union-fight#ixzz1EoStjH1y
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 那工会什么反应？
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b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 19 大难来临各分飞
【在 k*********t 的大作中提到】
: 被裁的人会费白交了呀。
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k*********t
发帖数: 2999 | 20 那工会也名存实亡了，还是散了吧。呵呵
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 大难来临各分飞
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x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 21 这还是21号的新闻，游行之前的啦。
我想知道的是游行时候22号和现在23号的情况啊。
determined
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: The next focus of demonstrators protesting collective bargaining reforms
: should be Columbus, Ohio where thousands, if not tens-of-thousands, of
: protestors are expected to gather Tuesday and shout their views about a
: controversial bill that puts labor unions in the crosshairs of a determined
: governor intent on salvaging his state's financial situation.
: The protests should look and sound much like the ones from Madison,
: Wisconsin that have gripped the nation in the recent days and marries an
: uncomfortable economic reality with political opportunity.
: "It's to put our children first. It's to do the things without regard to
: political considerations and try to serve the public," Ohio Governor John
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x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 22 也不是。工会可以替被裁的人要求更好的package.
其实也不完全是按资排辈裁人的，如果俩人工作一样，谁都可以替代谁，那样才论资排
辈。
【在 k*********t 的大作中提到】
: 被裁的人会费白交了呀。
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b*****e
发帖数: 5476 | 23 ohio的collective bargaining法律是政府工会从六十年代一直闹到八四年几十年几代
人不懈的努力才得到的权力，肯定不会那么轻易放弃的。。。 |
b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 24 http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/02/22/state.budgets/index.html
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 这还是21号的新闻，游行之前的啦。
: 我想知道的是游行时候22号和现在23号的情况啊。
:
: determined
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s******8
发帖数: 4192 | 25 扫盲！威州去掉的是collective bargaining except salary。salary仍然可以bargin. |
o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 26 这种PACKAGE，已经就谈好的了。
工会如果不论资排辈，政府的权力就更大了。
想开除谁，就开除谁。
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 也不是。工会可以替被裁的人要求更好的package.
: 其实也不完全是按资排辈裁人的，如果俩人工作一样，谁都可以替代谁，那样才论资排
: 辈。
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s******8
发帖数: 4192 | 27 私人企业也不是想开除谁，就开除谁。你以为政府会这么做吗？以为反对党是吃素的？
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: 这种PACKAGE，已经就谈好的了。
: 工会如果不论资排辈，政府的权力就更大了。
: 想开除谁，就开除谁。
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k*********t
发帖数: 2999 | 28 很多工会比如教师确实是按资历裁的。最近有个作放射设备技术员的朋友换了份有工会
的工作，申请几年才成功。据说工资涨了不少工作还轻松了，很开心。不过要裁人的话
也是新来的优先考虑。呵呵
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 也不是。工会可以替被裁的人要求更好的package.
: 其实也不完全是按资排辈裁人的，如果俩人工作一样，谁都可以替代谁，那样才论资排
: 辈。
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 29 私人企业当然想开除谁，就开除谁啊。
【在 s******8 的大作中提到】
: 私人企业也不是想开除谁，就开除谁。你以为政府会这么做吗？以为反对党是吃素的？
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t*****9
发帖数: 10416 | 30 下了30cm雪以后，大家都回家抱孩子去了 ~~~~~lol |
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s****n
发帖数: 1140 | 31 我操，工会就是吸血鬼，你想被吸？
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 如果这样工会就怂了，那工会有没有collectively bargain的权利都没啥区别了啊。工
: 会的存在还有什么意义呢？
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q*****n
发帖数: 2570 | 32 英语不好就别出来现了
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 如果这样工会就怂了，那工会有没有collectively bargain的权利都没啥区别了啊。工
: 会的存在还有什么意义呢？
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x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 33 我就出来。人家写汉语还允许有错别字呢，怎么英语就不能有错别字？
【在 q*****n 的大作中提到】
: 英语不好就别出来现了
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e*u
发帖数: 10016 | 34 spt，^_^
阅读能理解就好了。
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 我就出来。人家写汉语还允许有错别字呢，怎么英语就不能有错别字？
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g*******d
发帖数: 5873 | 35 呵呵，蛮可爱
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 我就出来。人家写汉语还允许有错别字呢，怎么英语就不能有错别字？
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P*V
发帖数: 587 | 36 Dixie Chicks send their greetings to you
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 这还是21号的新闻，游行之前的啦。
: 我想知道的是游行时候22号和现在23号的情况啊。
:
: determined
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x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 37 Dixie Chicks是什么？你为什么能代表他们给我送greetings啊？
【在 P*V 的大作中提到】
: Dixie Chicks send their greetings to you
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P*V
发帖数: 587 | 38 wrong post. sorry about that
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: Dixie Chicks是什么？你为什么能代表他们给我送greetings啊？
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x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 39 No Problem.
【在 P*V 的大作中提到】
: wrong post. sorry about that
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P*V
发帖数: 587 | 40 wrong post. sorry about that
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: Dixie Chicks是什么？你为什么能代表他们给我送greetings啊？
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