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VOA Chinese, Aug 13, 2011.
http://www.voanews.com/chinese/news
/20110813-Ukraina-China-127651288.html
My comment:
(a) Chinese are dumb. Read this:
Ukrainian Experts Say Kyiv Correct In Selling Carrier To China. Radio Free
Europe, Aug 11, 2011
http://www.rferl.org/content/ukrainian_experts_
say_kiev_correct_in_selling_carrier_to_china/24293430.html
("Another Ukrainian military expert, retired Navy captain Myroslav Mamchak,
suggests Ukraine could have earned even more money with the ship if it had
cooperated more closely with China. 'There was a chance to sell 'Varyah' not
as [a shell] but as a [nearly finished] vessel,' he said.")
(b) On the other hand, likely Ukraine's military technology may be as good
as, if not worse than (as Russia is), that before Soviet collapse. For
instance, Russia and India have moved on to Mig-29 from Su-33, as carrier-
borne fighters.
-----------------------------------------Separately
(1) 世界媒体看中国:里里外外看航母. VOA Chinese, Aug 12, 2011.
http://www.voanews.com/chinese/news
/20110812-world-press-china-127613943.html
("在中国还没有明确表示将建造航母的1990年代中期,美国海军的一位军官在杜克大学
举行的一次研讨会上就以个人身份表示,美国海军内很多军官期望中国建造自己的航母
,因为航母建造和维持费用非常高,航母的配套及人员训练也非常费钱费力,美国海军
期望中国因为有了自己航母,大量的人力和物力被航母占用,中国军队对美军的威胁由
此可以减轻")
Note: The report cites
(a) Craig Guthrie, Pride and prejudice over China's carrier. Asia Times
Online, Aug 12, 2011
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/MH12Ad01.html
("The Ukrainian DN-80 gas turbine engines supplied to China")
, which in turn cites
David Axe, Relax: China’s First Aircraft Carrier Is a Piece of Junk. Wired,
June 1, 2011
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06
/relax-chinas-first-aircraft-carrier-is-a-piece-of-junk/#more-46453
("For Shi Lang, China reportedly purchased turbines from Ukraine. Though
surely superior to any ship engines China could have produced on its own,
the Ukrainian models might still be unreliable by Western standards. Russia
’s Kuznetsov, also fitted with Ukrainian turbines, has long suffered
propulsion problems that have forced her to spend most of her 30-year career
tied to a pier for maintenance. When she does sail, a large tugboat usually
tags along, just in case the carrier breaks down")
I introduced this wired report at the time.
(b) Austin Ramzy, Troubled Waters: Why China's Navy Makes Asia Nervous. Time
, Aug 10, 2011.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2087973,00.html
Except the quotations in VOA Chinese and above (by me), there is no need ot
read the rest of either report--(a) or (b).
(2) 美助理国务卿:中美可和平共处. VOA Chinese, Aug 13, 2011
http://www.bbc.co.uk/zhongwen/simp/world/
2011/08/110813_us_china_peace_politics.shtml
(Kurt Campbell)
(3) 壳牌石油设法阻止北海漏油恶化. BBC Chinese, Aug 13, 2011
http://www.bbc.co.uk/zhongwen/simp
/uk/2011/08/110813_shell_oil_spill.shtml
("壳牌公司没有说明到目前为止的漏油量")
(4) Lo Tien-pin, Air Show Keeps PRC Tourists Out; NO CHINESE ALLOWED:The
rule to enforce ID checks on visitors to an air base came after Chinese
tourists entered another air base and snapped photos of military hardware.
Taipei Times, Aug 14, 2011 (available now)
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front
/archives/2011/08/14/2003510691
Note: Thunder Tiger Aerobatics Team 雷虎--besides 神龍--特技小組
(5) Military Dismisses Allegations of Faulty Armor. China Post, Aug 13, 2011
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/national
/national-news/2011/08/13/313209/Military-dismisses.htm
Note: CM21A1 armoured infantry fighting vehicle (AIFV) 裝甲步兵戰鬪車 is
designed by and produced in Taiwan.
Jason LAI, 國造CM21A1裝甲步兵戰鬪車 AFVDC AIFV of ROC CM21A1. Mar 2, 2011 (
photos).
http://blog.roodo.com/airboss/archives/2790555.html
(6) U.S. Seeking to Deprive Syria of Russian Weapons. RIA Novosti, Aug 13,
2011
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20110813/165750117.html
(7) 余雪蘭, 許世賢中國人? 碑文遭口香糖遮住. Liberty Timies, Aug 13, 2011.
http://libertytimes.com.tw/2011/new/aug/13/today-p3.htm
Note: 許世賢
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%A8%B1%E4%B8%96%E8%B3%A2
(1899-1983; 無黨籍 [so is her daughter 張博雅])
(8) 赫尔曼, 日本海”名称起争议 韩国欲称“朝鲜海." VOA Chinese, Aug 12, 2011.
http://www.voanews.com/chinese/news
/20110812-SKOREA-SEA-127582123.html
, which is translated from
Steve Herman, Waterway Stirs Passion in S. Korea. VOA, Aug 12, 2011.
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/asia
/South-Korea-Agitated-Over-Japans-Reference-Name-to-Disputed-Waters-
127577743.html
Note:
(a) For Seodo, see Liancourt Rocks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks
(The Liancourt Rocks consist of two main islets and numerous surrounding
rocks. The two main islets, called Seodo 西島 and Dongdo 東島 in Korean, and
Otokojima 男島 [and] Onnajima in Japanese, are 151 metres apart)
(b) United States Board on Geographic Names
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
_Board_on_Geographic_Names
(BGN; a United States federal body whose purpose is to establish and
maintain uniform usage of geographic names throughout the US government)
Take notice of "US government." BGN's jurisdiction does not extend to states
or the public.
(9) Trefor Moss, Decoding China’s Aircraft Carrier. The Diplomat, Aug 13,
2011.
http://the-diplomat.com/2011/08/13/decoding
-china%E2%80%99s-aircraft-carrier/
Quote:
"In truth, the PLA’s most successful modernisation programmes haven’t been
conventional platforms like warships so much as asymmetric weapons –
systems that aim to subvert the enemy’s strengths rather than counter them
with like-for-like solutions.
"The first major milestone, after confirming that the ship itself functions,
will be equipping the carrier with its air arm of naval J-15 fighters,
which are themselves unproven and still in development. Dean Cheng, a
research fellow at the Heritage Foundation, estimates that the PLAN could
achieve this objective within a six to 18-month timeframe. But training
pilots to fly off carriers will be a long and costly exercise, he says.
"Yet this [Taiwan's display of a model of the HF-3 missile] was only a PR
exercise – Taipei knows that the PLA’s missiles, not its new ship, are the
real threat. It’s ironic that while the original Shi Lang was a Qing
commander who captured Taiwan, this Shi Lang [carrier] has little prospect
of following meaningfully in his footsteps
"The possession of aircraft carriers undermines China’s argument that its
defence strategy is purely defensive in nature. As a power-projection asset,
an aircraft carrier has no defensive application
My comment:
(a) Web page 2 states, "They [China's aircraft carriers] could also be
deployed to bolster China’s presence in the disputed territories of the
South China Sea, especially as long as the PLA Air Force’s range is limited
by its lack of air-to-air refuelling capability." This is surprising to me
, as I read People's Daily years ago (about five) that PLA developed the
capability of air refueling.
(b) For Bastion missile, see Vietnam People's Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_People's_Navy
(Missiles: Coastal Defence: "Russia P-800 Oniks/SS-N-26 Yakhont (Bastion
ground system) supersonic anti-ship cruise missile")
(10) Last by not least:
Stephen Glain, The Pentagon's New China War Plan; Despite budget woes, the
military is preparing for a conflict with our biggest rival -- and we should
be worried. Salon, Aug 13, 2011 (half an hour ago)
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2011/08/13/sino_us_stephen_gl
Quote:
"According to the defense trade press, Pentagon officials are seeking ways
to adapt a concept known as AirSea Battle specifically for China, debunking
rote claims from Washington that it has no plans to thwart its emerging
Asian rival. A recent article in Inside the Pentagon reported that a small
group of U.S. Navy officers known as the China Integration Team 'is hard at
work applying the lessons of [AirSea Battle] to a potential conflict with
China.'
"It complements the 1992 Defense Planning Guidance, a government white paper
that precluded the rise of any 'peer competitor' that might challenge U.S.
dominance worldwide.
"In fact, the clash followed a dramatic rise in the frequency of U.S.
overflights in the area during the twilight of the Clinton years, which
triggered a demarche from Beijing that slipped through the cracks of the
transition to the Bush administration. The Hainan incident, as affair is
known, was the inevitable outcome of a highly intrusive American
surveillance regime.
Note:
(a) faith (n): "fidelity to one's promises"
Thus, the "faith" in the sentence (" U.S. mobilization in Asia is well
underway, in faith with a spring 2001 Pentagon study called 'Asia 2025,'
which identified China as a 'persistent competitor of the United States,'
bent on 'foreign military adventurism') probably means "fidelity."
(b) demarche (n): "a petition or protest presented through diplomatic
channels"
(c) I did not know, because Western media did nto report, that three
warships' port call to Vietnam "prompt[ed] a formal protest from the Chinese
."
(d) mendicant (n; from Latin mendicant-, mendicans, present participle of
mendicare to beg, from mendicus beggar): "BEGGAR"
All definitions are from www.m-w.com.
(e) Inside the Pentagon magazine is "an exclusive weekly report on Defense
Department
programs, procurement and policymaking." Its link can be found at the left
column of
www.InsideDefense.com
, which needs subscription to access.
(f) Yesterday there was this commentary:
James Taranto, The Left's Summer of Discontent. Wall Street Journal, Aug 12,
2011.
There is no need to read it. The left (the base of Democratic Party) is
unhappy with President Obama, convinced that he is "conflict averse"--
unwilling to do battles with Republicans. (But Democrats have to swallow
hard, because if they abandon the president, they would hand White House
over to Republilcans.) To hear this analysis, the Obama administration is
almost bellowing war cry in the direction of China.
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