m*****t 发帖数: 2800 | 1 用这两个国家比较谁更腐败更廉洁毫无意义,比比新加坡还差不多。
所谓反恐战争花掉2、3万亿,大部分进军火商腰包;美国总统的新一代"空军1号"
项目准备耗资70亿$$,不就一个人的出差行头么,谁说腐败了?这边驻华大使航班
省钱乘普通舱;那边第一夫人去欧洲度假花500万$,随从保镖超过100人,究竟
廉洁到哪儿去呢?落家灰要坐多少次普通舱,才能省下足够的钱让第一夫人度一次假啊?
说美国比中国民主就是个Joke。 |
g*****c 发帖数: 4378 | 2 落家灰要坐多少次普通舱,才能省下足够的钱让第一夫人度一次假啊
I guess he has to fly every day the rest of his life |
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H*********S 发帖数: 22772 | 4 美国让我老一个极不爽的地方是,多大罪孽的贪官都可以用下台来把罪恶清零,民主胜
利的愉悦感可以买单一切。
如果引进中国的专门针对官员的双规制度,btw,刑事罪犯有可能错杀,贪官污吏只有
漏网,没听过错杀的,针对贪官的案件,f*ck所谓“司法程序正义”,直接求诸事实正
义,把贪官污吏实实在在往毒气室送,将会极大提升美国的制度优越性,使整个国家的
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t******t 发帖数: 15246 | 5 我老说了,中国贪官还有被枪毙的危险,美帝的贪官,只要掌握了门路,可以合法盈利
中国抓大也是有限制的,到政治局常委就停了,抓到上面就会引起政治局势动荡了。 |
k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 6 美帝的贪官没有不掌握门路的吧。这应该是人家在从政入门123就学了的。
【在 t******t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我老说了,中国贪官还有被枪毙的危险,美帝的贪官,只要掌握了门路,可以合法盈利 : 中国抓大也是有限制的,到政治局常委就停了,抓到上面就会引起政治局势动荡了。
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i****k 发帖数: 4085 | 7 美国死刑就少,屁民杀了贪官也很少会死,中国不一样,屁民杀贪官,死路一条。
【在 t******t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我老说了,中国贪官还有被枪毙的危险,美帝的贪官,只要掌握了门路,可以合法盈利 : 中国抓大也是有限制的,到政治局常委就停了,抓到上面就会引起政治局势动荡了。
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 8 What you said might be true but the example is not very supportive...
In US at least you know that 第一夫人去欧洲度假花500万$,随从保镖超过1
00人. In China, do you ever know how much 第一夫人 spent?
啊?
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 用这两个国家比较谁更腐败更廉洁毫无意义,比比新加坡还差不多。 : 所谓反恐战争花掉2、3万亿,大部分进军火商腰包;美国总统的新一代"空军1号" : 项目准备耗资70亿$$,不就一个人的出差行头么,谁说腐败了?这边驻华大使航班 : 省钱乘普通舱;那边第一夫人去欧洲度假花500万$,随从保镖超过100人,究竟 : 廉洁到哪儿去呢?落家灰要坐多少次普通舱,才能省下足够的钱让第一夫人度一次假啊? : 说美国比中国民主就是个Joke。
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k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 9 所以你觉得光明正大贪污被人知道也没事比偷偷摸摸贪污怕被人知道更好。呵呵
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : What you said might be true but the example is not very supportive... : In US at least you know that 第一夫人去欧洲度假花500万$,随从保镖超过1 : 00人. In China, do you ever know how much 第一夫人 spent? : : 啊?
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f****m 发帖数: 7469 | 10 别张嘴就胡说,你见过哪个美国屁民杀贪官了?
【在 i****k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 美国死刑就少,屁民杀了贪官也很少会死,中国不一样,屁民杀贪官,死路一条。
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 11 Do you have any logic?
【在 k*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 所以你觉得光明正大贪污被人知道也没事比偷偷摸摸贪污怕被人知道更好。呵呵
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s***q 发帖数: 10585 | 12 joe stack?
【在 f****m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 别张嘴就胡说,你见过哪个美国屁民杀贪官了?
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s***q 发帖数: 10585 | 13 ding
霉国的民主,平等,廉政,就是一个joke |
k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 14 呵呵,你又开始照镜子了。
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Do you have any logic?
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m*****t 发帖数: 2800 | 15 一个官员收了礼物还得偷偷摸摸,这说明着个社会还有监督和道德。
如果在光天化日之下杀人放火都可以毫无拘束的,那么这个社会不就是腐
败透顶,廉耻丧尽了么?美国社会把大量的腐败合法化,犯罪道德化,不正是这个写照么?
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : What you said might be true but the example is not very supportive... : In US at least you know that 第一夫人去欧洲度假花500万$,随从保镖超过1 : 00人. In China, do you ever know how much 第一夫人 spent? : : 啊?
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 16 Opps,
I forgot that althoug v.2 is upgraded and can do more than "copy/paste", a
program is still a program.
【在 k*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 呵呵,你又开始照镜子了。
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g*****c 发帖数: 4378 | 17 that's the difference between Chian and US
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 一个官员收了礼物还得偷偷摸摸,这说明着个社会还有监督和道德。 : 如果在光天化日之下杀人放火都可以毫无拘束的,那么这个社会不就是腐 : 败透顶,廉耻丧尽了么?美国社会把大量的腐败合法化,犯罪道德化,不正是这个写照么?
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k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 18 没错,你再装也还是个对着镜子骂自己上瘾的。呵呵
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Opps, : I forgot that althoug v.2 is upgraded and can do more than "copy/paste", a : program is still a program.
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 19 If you are a normal person, you would agree that
For public, knowing is better than not knowing. That is the first step to
fix the problem. As to that example, of course, majority american regard
that as a waste of tax payer's money. I am not aware many people thinking
that is appropriate.
In China, you do not even know where does the official's food came from much
less how much the first lady or second lady spent. Of course, this is
worse.
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 一个官员收了礼物还得偷偷摸摸,这说明着个社会还有监督和道德。 : 如果在光天化日之下杀人放火都可以毫无拘束的,那么这个社会不就是腐 : 败透顶,廉耻丧尽了么?美国社会把大量的腐败合法化,犯罪道德化,不正是这个写照么?
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 20 Downgraded again? It seems to be a beta version still mostly does only copy
and paste after all... Sign.
【在 k*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 没错,你再装也还是个对着镜子骂自己上瘾的。呵呵
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k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 21 呵呵,镜子客自己骂自己太好玩了。
copy
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Downgraded again? It seems to be a beta version still mostly does only copy : and paste after all... Sign.
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m*****t 发帖数: 2800 | 22 荒谬透顶的言论。
封建社会每个平民都知道皇帝可以锦衣玉食,可以生杀予夺,宫殿皇室的腐败没有任何
秘密吧?那么是不是封建社会就是人人向往的理想世界了?
much
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : If you are a normal person, you would agree that : For public, knowing is better than not knowing. That is the first step to : fix the problem. As to that example, of course, majority american regard : that as a waste of tax payer's money. I am not aware many people thinking : that is appropriate. : In China, you do not even know where does the official's food came from much : less how much the first lady or second lady spent. Of course, this is : worse.
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k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 23 镜子客其实更向往的是奴隶社会。呵呵
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 荒谬透顶的言论。 : 封建社会每个平民都知道皇帝可以锦衣玉食,可以生杀予夺,宫殿皇室的腐败没有任何 : 秘密吧?那么是不是封建社会就是人人向往的理想世界了? : : much
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m*****t 发帖数: 2800 | 24 所以说美国社会的特权、腐败和封建社会的特权、腐败一样,都是合法化的。具体项目
花样有不同,但本质没有区别。
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 荒谬透顶的言论。 : 封建社会每个平民都知道皇帝可以锦衣玉食,可以生杀予夺,宫殿皇室的腐败没有任何 : 秘密吧?那么是不是封建社会就是人人向往的理想世界了? : : much
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 25 Come on...
Knowing itself of course is not everything. Put this way, if it can be fixed
later, then knowing is better than not knowing.
If after knowing it, this still can not be fixed or critisized as in 封建社
会 where most people thought those actions are reasonalble, then knowing is
the same as not knowing.
In the example of first lady, I already said most americans do NOT endorse
such action, and therefore this is possible to fix it if Obama wants to
be re-elected. In China, as you said, if someone can make those informatioin
public, then a lot of waste and corruption can be fixed as well. Given that,
knowing is better than not knowing.
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 荒谬透顶的言论。 : 封建社会每个平民都知道皇帝可以锦衣玉食,可以生杀予夺,宫殿皇室的腐败没有任何 : 秘密吧?那么是不是封建社会就是人人向往的理想世界了? : : much
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 26 Sign...I even can guess the key algorithm for this program.
rule #1, us is bad and party is good
rule #2, democracy is bad and autocracy is good
rule #3, when not knowing how to response, copy and paste.
Man, there are a lot of space to improve.
【在 k*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 呵呵,镜子客自己骂自己太好玩了。 : : copy
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M*****8 发帖数: 17722 | 27
啊?
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不奇怪啊。 墙街是凌驾于法律之上的。
米国有那个政策是不符合墙街族裔的利益的?
至于一般P民,那是父母抓来纳税,儿女抓去当炮灰。
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 用这两个国家比较谁更腐败更廉洁毫无意义,比比新加坡还差不多。 : 所谓反恐战争花掉2、3万亿,大部分进军火商腰包;美国总统的新一代"空军1号" : 项目准备耗资70亿$$,不就一个人的出差行头么,谁说腐败了?这边驻华大使航班 : 省钱乘普通舱;那边第一夫人去欧洲度假花500万$,随从保镖超过100人,究竟 : 廉洁到哪儿去呢?落家灰要坐多少次普通舱,才能省下足够的钱让第一夫人度一次假啊? : 说美国比中国民主就是个Joke。
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k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 28 你看,你对你自己还是很清楚的。就是你对着镜子看,全是反的。呵呵,下次骂自己的
时候多想想这个。
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Sign...I even can guess the key algorithm for this program. : rule #1, us is bad and party is good : rule #2, democracy is bad and autocracy is good : rule #3, when not knowing how to response, copy and paste. : Man, there are a lot of space to improve.
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 29 hehe, rule number 3. Your mother (the programmers) will be ashamed of themselves.
【在 k*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你看,你对你自己还是很清楚的。就是你对着镜子看,全是反的。呵呵,下次骂自己的 : 时候多想想这个。
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M*****8 发帖数: 17722 | 30
much
.........................
问题是,媒体被墙街全面控制。
所谓的报道,是有选择性的。
墙街的罪大恶极,则隐蔽。
很多的报道是转移注意。
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : If you are a normal person, you would agree that : For public, knowing is better than not knowing. That is the first step to : fix the problem. As to that example, of course, majority american regard : that as a waste of tax payer's money. I am not aware many people thinking : that is appropriate. : In China, you do not even know where does the official's food came from much : less how much the first lady or second lady spent. Of course, this is : worse.
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k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 31 呵呵,镜子客急了,开始骂自己妈了。
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : hehe, rule number 3. Your mother (the programmers) will be ashamed of themselves.
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 32 That I partly agree... To some degree, that is the problem. But that does
not change and actually supports the fact that it is better to make public more aware of what is
going on.
【在 M*****8 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : much : ......................... : 问题是,媒体被墙街全面控制。 : 所谓的报道,是有选择性的。 : 墙街的罪大恶极,则隐蔽。 : 很多的报道是转移注意。
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 33 heehee. I will stop here.
Afterall, it is stupid to respond to a auto-program after informing the
boss about the bugs to fix.
You should continue your performance. Cheers.
【在 k*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 呵呵,镜子客急了,开始骂自己妈了。
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m*****t 发帖数: 2800 | 34 封建老百姓也会喊"皇侯将相,宁有种乎?"这和华尔街的抗议者喊均贫富有什么区别
?人性都是共通的。
问题没法fixed,就是因为封建主义、资本主义两个社会都有法律维护这种特权。
fixed
is
informatioin
that,
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Come on... : Knowing itself of course is not everything. Put this way, if it can be fixed : later, then knowing is better than not knowing. : If after knowing it, this still can not be fixed or critisized as in 封建社 : 会 where most people thought those actions are reasonalble, then knowing is : the same as not knowing. : In the example of first lady, I already said most americans do NOT endorse : such action, and therefore this is possible to fix it if Obama wants to : be re-elected. In China, as you said, if someone can make those informatioin : public, then a lot of waste and corruption can be fixed as well. Given that,
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k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 35 镜子客终于知道自己stupid了。呵呵,有进步,你妈对你感到很骄傲。千万别再对着镜
子骂娘了。呵呵
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : heehee. I will stop here. : Afterall, it is stupid to respond to a auto-program after informing the : boss about the bugs to fix. : You should continue your performance. Cheers.
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M*****8 发帖数: 17722 | 36
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我绝对支持新闻透明和媒体自由。
但米国的所谓媒体自由或言论自由,
早已变质成为墙街族裔洗脑P民的掩护。
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : That I partly agree... To some degree, that is the problem. But that does : not change and actually supports the fact that it is better to make public more aware of what is : going on.
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 37 How many 封建老百姓会喊"皇侯将相,宁有种乎? More importantly, how many
封建老百姓 would think that 皇侯将相 and themselves are equal.
I do not see why the first lady's vacation spending can not be capped by the
congress, if most people are mad at it.
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 封建老百姓也会喊"皇侯将相,宁有种乎?"这和华尔街的抗议者喊均贫富有什么区别 : ?人性都是共通的。 : 问题没法fixed,就是因为封建主义、资本主义两个社会都有法律维护这种特权。 : : fixed : is : informatioin : that,
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y**c 发帖数: 6307 | 38 我觉得美国贪官比中国多多了。中国贪官都过的胆战心惊,所以最后都跑到美国加拿大
来避难了。
啊?
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 用这两个国家比较谁更腐败更廉洁毫无意义,比比新加坡还差不多。 : 所谓反恐战争花掉2、3万亿,大部分进军火商腰包;美国总统的新一代"空军1号" : 项目准备耗资70亿$$,不就一个人的出差行头么,谁说腐败了?这边驻华大使航班 : 省钱乘普通舱;那边第一夫人去欧洲度假花500万$,随从保镖超过100人,究竟 : 廉洁到哪儿去呢?落家灰要坐多少次普通舱,才能省下足够的钱让第一夫人度一次假啊? : 说美国比中国民主就是个Joke。
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 39 Sign. Even a program can be mad...
【在 k*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 镜子客终于知道自己stupid了。呵呵,有进步,你妈对你感到很骄傲。千万别再对着镜 : 子骂娘了。呵呵
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m*****t 发帖数: 2800 | 40 伊拉克战争人人反对,但是国会不是照样要打么?都怪军火商库存太多了。
美国国会什么时候代表过人民的?
the
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : How many 封建老百姓会喊"皇侯将相,宁有种乎? More importantly, how many : 封建老百姓 would think that 皇侯将相 and themselves are equal. : I do not see why the first lady's vacation spending can not be capped by the : congress, if most people are mad at it.
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o****y 发帖数: 26355 | 41 The officials in the US are not rich at all.
【在 y**c 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我觉得美国贪官比中国多多了。中国贪官都过的胆战心惊,所以最后都跑到美国加拿大 : 来避难了。 : : 啊?
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 42 伊拉克战争人人反对? Who told you this? Are you talking about US not Irag?
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 伊拉克战争人人反对,但是国会不是照样要打么?都怪军火商库存太多了。 : 美国国会什么时候代表过人民的? : : the
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o****y 发帖数: 26355 | 43 Not everyone in the US is anti-Iraq war la.
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 伊拉克战争人人反对,但是国会不是照样要打么?都怪军火商库存太多了。 : 美国国会什么时候代表过人民的? : : the
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M*****8 发帖数: 17722 | 44
the
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米国的政客只是在演戏,只是演员。
演给长期被媒体愚民化的屁民看的。
他们真正听命的是他们的幕后老板。
而幕后老板是谁大家应该清楚了吧?
那就是墙街的金融利益和寡头利益。
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : How many 封建老百姓会喊"皇侯将相,宁有种乎? More importantly, how many : 封建老百姓 would think that 皇侯将相 and themselves are equal. : I do not see why the first lady's vacation spending can not be capped by the : congress, if most people are mad at it.
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m*****t 发帖数: 2800 | 45 所以说美国的反腐是抓小放大。地方公务员清水衙门要受监督,国会议员个个亿万富豪无拘无束。
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o****y 发帖数: 26355 | 46 That is why comparing the officials between US and China is meaningless.
【在 M*****8 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : the : ........................ : 米国的政客只是在演戏,只是演员。 : 演给长期被媒体愚民化的屁民看的。 : 他们真正听命的是他们的幕后老板。 : 而幕后老板是谁大家应该清楚了吧? : 那就是墙街的金融利益和寡头利益。
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 47 If that is true, then it is even more important to let people know.
One can not say that it is better to keep the conspiracy.
【在 M*****8 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : the : ........................ : 米国的政客只是在演戏,只是演员。 : 演给长期被媒体愚民化的屁民看的。 : 他们真正听命的是他们的幕后老板。 : 而幕后老板是谁大家应该清楚了吧? : 那就是墙街的金融利益和寡头利益。
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o****y 发帖数: 26355 | 48 Are you sure that the Congreemen in the US are all billinare?
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 所以说美国的反腐是抓小放大。地方公务员清水衙门要受监督,国会议员个个亿万富豪无拘无束。 : 在 oldguy (老人) 的大作中提到: 】
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y**c 发帖数: 6307 | 49 中国难道不是资本主义社会?挂着社会主义的皮而已。按照我一个学政治学的朋友的说
法,中国现在是最差的资本主义--官僚资本主义社会。
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : The officials in the US are not rich at all.
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 50 It is very true. But I think that so called pure "社会主义" either does not exist or actually is worse.
【在 y**c 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 中国难道不是资本主义社会?挂着社会主义的皮而已。按照我一个学政治学的朋友的说 : 法,中国现在是最差的资本主义--官僚资本主义社会。
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k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 51 奴隶国一奴隶被奴隶主强奸了,心里不爽但拿奴隶主没辙。这时听说没人知道隔壁共产
国大统领是不是也是强奸犯,该奴隶立刻欣慰觉得比共产国人强了,至少它知道奴隶主
确实强奸了。呵呵
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 封建老百姓也会喊"皇侯将相,宁有种乎?"这和华尔街的抗议者喊均贫富有什么区别 : ?人性都是共通的。 : 问题没法fixed,就是因为封建主义、资本主义两个社会都有法律维护这种特权。 : : fixed : is : informatioin : that,
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M*****8 发帖数: 17722 | 52
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那是因为被媒体洗脑了,不知真相。
否则反对的会高几个数量级不止。
http://bit.ly/fYqb7
你就是被米国媒体成功洗脑的典型例子而不自知。
你在米国没几年就被洗脑成这样,更难怪土生土长的。
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 伊拉克战争人人反对? Who told you this? Are you talking about US not Irag?
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r**********g 发帖数: 22734 | 53 显然是社会主义。美国要想成为社会主义,首先要让ATT/Sprint Exxon, Ford, GM都是
国有……
【在 y**c 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 中国难道不是资本主义社会?挂着社会主义的皮而已。按照我一个学政治学的朋友的说 : 法,中国现在是最差的资本主义--官僚资本主义社会。
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k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 54 我们知道你急了,不用sign。
呵呵,刚骂完娘及你自己stupid,现在想骂自己什么?
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Sign. Even a program can be mad...
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m*****t 发帖数: 2800 | 55 中国的私人资本再多,也无法控制中央政治;美国的私人资本再少,也不会放下政权。
这是根本区别。
再说中国国民命脉的行业都企业全部都是国有,区别就更大了。
【在 y**c 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 中国难道不是资本主义社会?挂着社会主义的皮而已。按照我一个学政治学的朋友的说 : 法,中国现在是最差的资本主义--官僚资本主义社会。
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d****z 发帖数: 9503 | 56 GM已经国有了。
【在 r**********g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 显然是社会主义。美国要想成为社会主义,首先要让ATT/Sprint Exxon, Ford, GM都是 : 国有……
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l********k 发帖数: 14844 | 57 美国有多少insider你不知道的?
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : What you said might be true but the example is not very supportive... : In US at least you know that 第一夫人去欧洲度假花500万$,随从保镖超过1 : 00人. In China, do you ever know how much 第一夫人 spent? : : 啊?
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 58 Without going too far, without mentioning even US for the the time being, do
you agree that it would be better to make official's various privilege more
transparant in China?
This is a very simple "yes" or "no" question.
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 封建老百姓也会喊"皇侯将相,宁有种乎?"这和华尔街的抗议者喊均贫富有什么区别 : ?人性都是共通的。 : 问题没法fixed,就是因为封建主义、资本主义两个社会都有法律维护这种特权。 : : fixed : is : informatioin : that,
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o****y 发帖数: 26355 | 59 That is why that kind system give a lot of chances for the officials to
steal the public wealth.
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 中国的私人资本再多,也无法控制中央政治;美国的私人资本再少,也不会放下政权。 : 这是根本区别。 : 再说中国国民命脉的行业都企业全部都是国有,区别就更大了。
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r**********g 发帖数: 22734 | 60 所以毛巴马带领美国走向社会主义啊
【在 d****z 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : GM已经国有了。
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 61 OK, whatever, so you conclusion is to better keeping it secret. It is better
not knowing how much the first lady wasted, how much Pauson leaked the
insider information to his GS friends?
【在 M*****8 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : ................. : 那是因为被媒体洗脑了,不知真相。 : 否则反对的会高几个数量级不止。 : http://bit.ly/fYqb7 : 你就是被米国媒体成功洗脑的典型例子而不自知。 : 你在米国没几年就被洗脑成这样,更难怪土生土长的。
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M*****8 发帖数: 17722 | 62
not exist or actually is worse.
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参考当年元首的德国,民富国强。
当然那是金融族裔们绝对不容许的。
因为会失去不劳而获暴利的寄生环境。
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : It is very true. But I think that so called pure "社会主义" either does not exist or actually is worse.
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m**********2 发帖数: 6568 | 63 are you talking about the congress that only enjoys 9% people's support,
less than American Communist Party gets?
You don't see WHY, but yu can see the fact, and the fact is they DID NOT.
you can always argue that they COULD.
Tell that to your wife or your boss when you COULD do something (such as
finishing the home improvement project you started 5 years ago) but you
never DID.
the
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : How many 封建老百姓会喊"皇侯将相,宁有种乎? More importantly, how many : 封建老百姓 would think that 皇侯将相 and themselves are equal. : I do not see why the first lady's vacation spending can not be capped by the : congress, if most people are mad at it.
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k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 64 有关奥夫人的不知道的都不重要,有关胡夫人的不知道的都是重要的。呵呵
【在 l********k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 美国有多少insider你不知道的?
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 65 heehee, we all know who 急了.
在 killernight (信不信随你) 的大作中提到: 】 |
l********k 发帖数: 14844 | 66 前段时间刚爆出来7.77万亿的秘密花街大红包,这玩艺儿产党贪官长了几个肝也够喝死
的。媒体爆料,再次充分保障了屁民对被征税、被通货膨胀的神圣不可侵犯的知情权。 |
k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 67 那当然,连自己娘都骂的镜子客再怎么说不急也得有人信呀。呵呵
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : heehee, we all know who 急了. : 在 killernight (信不信随你) 的大作中提到: 】
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 68 To judge 元首的德国 likes to judge fund's performance.
You should look at the final return not the intra-day high.
【在 M*****8 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : not exist or actually is worse. : .................... : 参考当年元首的德国,民富国强。 : 当然那是金融族裔们绝对不容许的。 : 因为会失去不劳而获暴利的寄生环境。
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 69 Compare apple with apple and orange with orange.
Do you know China 有多少insider? Don't tell me zero.
【在 l********k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 美国有多少insider你不知道的?
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m*****t 发帖数: 2800 | 70 1、国企的官员要发财还得去偷,比资本主义垄断企业的股东名正言顺地巧取豪夺困难
多了。
2、国民命脉的行业未必就是赚钱的,比如盐业、国防等等。很多不是命脉的,比如IT
、娱乐业,倒很红火。
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : That is why that kind system give a lot of chances for the officials to : steal the public wealth.
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o****y 发帖数: 26355 | 71 The issue is that, the public companies should not belong to the individuals.
American companies are privated companies, if their CEO stealing, it has
nothing to do with the public.
IT
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 1、国企的官员要发财还得去偷,比资本主义垄断企业的股东名正言顺地巧取豪夺困难 : 多了。 : 2、国民命脉的行业未必就是赚钱的,比如盐业、国防等等。很多不是命脉的,比如IT : 、娱乐业,倒很红火。
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 72 Maybe I am too naive here. I was thinking that if something can not tell who
is 自己娘, then it must be 急 le...
Even a program will list who is the author... heehee.
【在 k*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 那当然,连自己娘都骂的镜子客再怎么说不急也得有人信呀。呵呵
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l********k 发帖数: 14844 | 73 所以台面上米国老贪得多,还合法公开;产党面子上是发现了都抓,杀,产党胜一回合
。私底下的无论中米谁也不知道,算平手。结论是,产党比米帝要清廉。
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Compare apple with apple and orange with orange. : Do you know China 有多少insider? Don't tell me zero.
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M*****8 发帖数: 17722 | 74
better
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看下面,我不是说得很清楚了吗?
我跟你不同的是,我看到米国的真像。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Military/36851995_0.html
你看到的只是米国的假像,忽略了假的部分。
因为你已经被米媒洗脑了,无法客观严格的评论。
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : OK, whatever, so you conclusion is to better keeping it secret. It is better : not knowing how much the first lady wasted, how much Pauson leaked the : insider information to his GS friends?
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 75 Is this really your thinking?
【在 l********k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 所以台面上米国老贪得多,还合法公开;产党面子上是发现了都抓,杀,产党胜一回合 : 。私底下的无论中米谁也不知道,算平手。结论是,产党比米帝要清廉。
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o****y 发帖数: 26355 | 76 The difference is the power difference, the US officials do not have that
much power as Chinese officials.
【在 l********k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 所以台面上米国老贪得多,还合法公开;产党面子上是发现了都抓,杀,产党胜一回合 : 。私底下的无论中米谁也不知道,算平手。结论是,产党比米帝要清廉。
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 77 My opinion does not matter here.
The question is for you and it is easy to answer.
"So you conclusion is to better keeping it secret. It is
better not knowing how much the first lady wasted, how much Pauson leaked
the
insider information to his GS friends?"
【在 M*****8 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : better : ........................... : 看下面,我不是说得很清楚了吗? : 我跟你不同的是,我看到米国的真像。 : http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Military/36851995_0.html : 你看到的只是米国的假像,忽略了假的部分。 : 因为你已经被米媒洗脑了,无法客观严格的评论。
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m*****t 发帖数: 2800 | 78 资本主义的企业用金钱控制政治,搞官商勾结,还不是从公众那儿偷吗?而且是从股东
,CEO到普通员工,一起偷呢。 不从老百姓那儿偷,谁都不可能赚大发啊。
在 oldguy (老人) 的大作中提到: 】
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k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 79 改骂你自己naive不认自己娘了?
呵呵,镜子客骂自己的词儿还挺多的。
不过你妈很无辜,一把屎一把尿喂大你不容易,还是别老把她牵扯进来了。呵呵
who
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Maybe I am too naive here. I was thinking that if something can not tell who : is 自己娘, then it must be 急 le... : Even a program will list who is the author... heehee.
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o****y 发帖数: 26355 | 80 In capitalists society, the money can make money. The capitalists have tons
of money, they don't care about the public money. The public money is small
potatoes
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 资本主义的企业用金钱控制政治,搞官商勾结,还不是从公众那儿偷吗?而且是从股东 : ,CEO到普通员工,一起偷呢。 不从老百姓那儿偷,谁都不可能赚大发啊。 : 在 oldguy (老人) 的大作中提到: 】 : individuals.
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f****m 发帖数: 7469 | 81 给link看看,真没听说过
【在 s***q 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : joe stack?
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h*c 发帖数: 1859 | 82 开了个飞机,去把irs大楼炸了
【在 f****m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 给link看看,真没听说过
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h*c 发帖数: 1859 | 83 死了一个临时工
【在 h*c 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 开了个飞机,去把irs大楼炸了
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l********k 发帖数: 14844 | 84 多跟你楼下的老盖学学
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Is this really your thinking?
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m*****t 发帖数: 2800 | 85 整个国家买军火的钱,医疗保障的钱是小potato?
tons
small
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : In capitalists society, the money can make money. The capitalists have tons : of money, they don't care about the public money. The public money is small : potatoes
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l********k 发帖数: 14844 | 86 captial归根到底是small potato的消费。生产和消费你不能分割开,就好比资本家狂
生产,造出来的东西和服务直接就变成钱。现在的经济问题就是因为泡沫把资本全吸引
走了,实体经济得不到资源而萎缩。
tons
small
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : In capitalists society, the money can make money. The capitalists have tons : of money, they don't care about the public money. The public money is small : potatoes
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a*****3 发帖数: 2305 | 87 整个国家买军火的钱 和 它带来的巨大利益比起来,当然是小potato了。
中国军队的军费,才叫浪费呢,一点效益都没有
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 整个国家买军火的钱,医疗保障的钱是小potato? : : tons : small
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o****y 发帖数: 26355 | 88 That is a different topic. What I said, the capitalists do not need steal
the public money. They have enough money for themselves la. If they like,
they can print even more.
【在 l********k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : captial归根到底是small potato的消费。生产和消费你不能分割开,就好比资本家狂 : 生产,造出来的东西和服务直接就变成钱。现在的经济问题就是因为泡沫把资本全吸引 : 走了,实体经济得不到资源而萎缩。 : : tons : small
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l********k 发帖数: 14844 | 89 钱就像水一样是循环的,此时是资本,彼时是工资。资本家的钱当然那不是像征税一样
集资来的,而是来自所有消费者。但是这也不能美化资本家通过压缩工资和待遇来获取
最大利润的事实。说来说去,财富还是来源于p民,而不是所谓的“钱生钱”,这么说
就是放烟幕弹打马虎眼避重就轻美化剥削。
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : That is a different topic. What I said, the capitalists do not need steal : the public money. They have enough money for themselves la. If they like, : they can print even more.
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 90 Learn what? I am not talking about any big topic.
I am just saying that more transparency for official's previlege is better
in both USA and China for the purpose of anti-corruption. LZ's example shows that for the first lady issue, USA is more transparent than China. In your example, I don't know which country sheilds more insiders relatively, China or USA. If you have some information on this, I would like to learn from YOU.
【在 l********k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 多跟你楼下的老盖学学
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l*s 发帖数: 6372 | 91 jiuyin,你的英语跟老娘水平差不多阿,老娘深深表示欣慰。 |
j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 92 heehee, Just so so Chinese-English...
【在 l*s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : jiuyin,你的英语跟老娘水平差不多阿,老娘深深表示欣慰。
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k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 93 呵呵,对勇于脱离对贪腐的惩治而大谈透明度的,你要求别太高了。
【在 l********k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 多跟你楼下的老盖学学
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c*****i 发帖数: 11737 | 94 我知道瑞卿只喜欢电脑,看韩剧,不喜欢出去度假,每次涛哥出访要她去都要涛歌念叨
好几次才答应同去。冶坪就更不用说了,她那个样子在家里待着是最保险的。
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : What you said might be true but the example is not very supportive... : In US at least you know that 第一夫人去欧洲度假花500万$,随从保镖超过1 : 00人. In China, do you ever know how much 第一夫人 spent? : : 啊?
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 95 I am not accusing that current ladies are corrupted. Actually I
believe that most of them are good. I am just saying that more transparency
guarantteed by law or rule is better for them, future leaders and the
people. The possibility of exposing the problem is helpful for anti-
corruption.
Their privacy space is still theirs. How much of those to disclose to the
public is their own choice.
【在 c*****i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我知道瑞卿只喜欢电脑,看韩剧,不喜欢出去度假,每次涛哥出访要她去都要涛歌念叨 : 好几次才答应同去。冶坪就更不用说了,她那个样子在家里待着是最保险的。
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m*****t 发帖数: 2800 | 96 伊拉克战争就是一赃消耗上万亿$$和数万条生命的腐败案,整个决策过程又有什么透明度?那些军火合同又是如何转到切尼的亲戚手上的?大家只知道的不就一个谎言么?
transparency
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I am not accusing that current ladies are corrupted. Actually I : believe that most of them are good. I am just saying that more transparency : guarantteed by law or rule is better for them, future leaders and the : people. The possibility of exposing the problem is helpful for anti- : corruption. : Their privacy space is still theirs. How much of those to disclose to the : public is their own choice.
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 97 Come on.
One congress enjoys 9% does not mean all future congress will also only
enjoy 9% support. This congress did not fix the problem doesn't mean the
future congress will not fix the problem. Actaully I guess this congress is
going to pay for their inability to action on almost anything in the future
elections.
But, one thing is for sure, if white house has never released how much
public money was spent for a vacation, then it will not be fixed.
【在 m**********2 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : are you talking about the congress that only enjoys 9% people's support, : less than American Communist Party gets? : You don't see WHY, but yu can see the fact, and the fact is they DID NOT. : you can always argue that they COULD. : Tell that to your wife or your boss when you COULD do something (such as : finishing the home improvement project you started 5 years ago) but you : never DID. : : the
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M*****8 发帖数: 17722 | 98
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你真奇怪,我什么时候反对透明和新闻自由了?
你还是再读一下我再明显不过的贴好吗?
“我绝对支持新闻透明和媒体自由。
但米国的所谓媒体自由或言论自由,
早已变质成为墙街族裔洗脑P民的掩护。”
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Military/36851995_0.html
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : My opinion does not matter here. : The question is for you and it is easy to answer. : "So you conclusion is to better keeping it secret. It is : better not knowing how much the first lady wasted, how much Pauson leaked : the : insider information to his GS friends?"
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 99 All I said is
It is better knowing how much the first lady wasted than not knowing.
Transparency for exposing those previlege is a good thing. In this particular
example from LZ, China is less transparent.
I am not interested in judging the freedom of speech in US is real or not.
【在 M*****8 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : ......................... : 你真奇怪,我什么时候反对透明和新闻自由了? : 你还是再读一下我再明显不过的贴好吗? : “我绝对支持新闻透明和媒体自由。 : 但米国的所谓媒体自由或言论自由, : 早已变质成为墙街族裔洗脑P民的掩护。” : http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Military/36851995_0.html
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 100 There will be no ending, if you keep changing topics.
All I said is
It is better knowing how much the first lady wasted than not knowing.
Transparency for exposing those previlege is a good thing. In this particual
example from LZ, China is less transparent.
I guess most people would agree on this.
透明度?那些军火合同又是如何转到切尼的亲戚手上的?大家只知道的不就一个谎言么?
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 伊拉克战争就是一赃消耗上万亿$$和数万条生命的腐败案,整个决策过程又有什么透明度?那些军火合同又是如何转到切尼的亲戚手上的?大家只知道的不就一个谎言么? : : transparency
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m******e 发帖数: 2515 | 101 中国首富黄光浴可以被抓住监狱,“美国的大富豪啥时候有可能住监狱?美国连杀了人
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c*****i 发帖数: 11737 | 102 透明的腐败更可耻,是对人类道德的公开挑衅,明白吗,小白?
transparency
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I am not accusing that current ladies are corrupted. Actually I : believe that most of them are good. I am just saying that more transparency : guarantteed by law or rule is better for them, future leaders and the : people. The possibility of exposing the problem is helpful for anti- : corruption. : Their privacy space is still theirs. How much of those to disclose to the : public is their own choice.
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a*****3 发帖数: 2305 | 103 透明的腐败和你拿的工资 有何不同?
其实,你拿的工资 就是透明的腐败的一种。
发信人: canghai (沧海), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 中国的反腐是抓大放小;美国的反腐是抓小放大
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Dec 8 18:28:11 2011, 美东)
透明的腐败更可耻,是对人类道德的公开挑衅,明白吗,小白?
transparency
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I am not accusing that current ladies are corrupted. Actually I : believe that most of them are good. I am just saying that more transparency : guarantteed by law or rule is better for them, future leaders and the : people. The possibility of exposing the problem is helpful for anti- : corruption. : Their privacy space is still theirs. How much of those to disclose to the : public is their own choice.
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M*****8 发帖数: 17722 | 104
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米国不是法制,是族裔制。
有些族裔凌驾法律之上,不受约束。
有些族裔,例如老中,是合法被歧视的对象。
【在 m******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 中国首富黄光浴可以被抓住监狱,“美国的大富豪啥时候有可能住监狱?美国连杀了人 : 都可以用钱搞定。”这是一老美原话。
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 105 So your conclusion is that it is better to hide all corruptions from people
's eyes... I guess only corrupted and shameless would support such a course.
【在 c*****i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 透明的腐败更可耻,是对人类道德的公开挑衅,明白吗,小白? : : transparency
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m*****t 发帖数: 2800 | 106 正常啊。所有饭馆的厨房都不欢迎顾客参观,厕所都不会对着餐桌,虽然大家都清楚这
些地方都不够干净。
people
course.
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : So your conclusion is that it is better to hide all corruptions from people : 's eyes... I guess only corrupted and shameless would support such a course.
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j****n 发帖数: 7636 | 107 heehee, you don't need to explain ... People know the true reason that you
are against exposing the corruption because there could be
very few reasons.
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 正常啊。所有饭馆的厨房都不欢迎顾客参观,厕所都不会对着餐桌,虽然大家都清楚这 : 些地方都不够干净。 : : people : course.
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