c*****t
发帖数: 10738 | 1 Almost certain self defense.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/os-trayvon-martin
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With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer
who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed
on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several
times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the
Orlando Sentinel.
That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been
corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.
Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened, but that night, Feb.
26, and in later meetings he described and re-enacted for police what he
says happened.
In his version of events, he had turned around and was walking back to his
SUV when Trayvon approached him from behind, the two exchanged words then
Trayvon punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began
beating him.
Zimmerman told police he shot the teenager in self-defense.
Civil rights leaders and thousands of others have demanded Zimmerman's
arrest, calling Trayvon a victim of racial profiling and Zimmerman a
vigilante.
Trayvon was an unarmed black teenager who had committed no crime, an
innocent who was gunned down while walking back from a 7-Eleven with nothing
more sinister than a package of Skittles and can of Arizona iced tea.
Supporters have held rallies in Sanford, Miami, New York and Tallahassee,
calling the case a tragic miscarriage of injustice.
Activist Al Sharpton headlined a rally in Sanford Thursday that drew an
estimated 8,000 people. The Rev. Jesse Jackson yesterday spoke at an
Eatonville church, where he called Trayvon a martyr.
Another rally is scheduled for 4 p.m. today in Sanford.
Zimmerman has gone into hiding. A fringe group, the New Black Panthers, have
offered a $10,000 reward for his capture.
Police have been reluctant to provided details about all their evidence, but
this is what they've disclosed to the Sentinel:
Zimmerman was on his way to the grocery store when he spotted Trayvon
walking through his gated community.
Trayvon was visiting his father's fiancée, who lived there. He had been
suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana
baggie. Miami schools have a zero-tolerance policy for drug possession.
Zimmerman called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon
as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.
Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch
employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said
yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.
There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure
what happened.
Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV
when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached
for his cell phone, he told police.
Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched
Zimmerman in the nose.
Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began
slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.
Zimmerman began yelling for help.
Several witnesses heard those cries, and there's been a dispute about from
whom they came: Zimmerman or Trayvon.
Lawyers for Trayvon's family say it was Trayvon, but police say their
evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.
One witnesses, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told
police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him and
was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.
Zimmerman then shot Trayvon once in the chest from very close range,
according to authorities.
When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from
the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his
head.
Paramedics gave him first aide but he said no to going to the hospital. He
got medical care the next day.
The Department of Justice last week opened a civil rights investigation into
what happened, and Gov. Rick Scott appointed a special prosecutor.
It's not clear whether the special prosecutor, Angela Corey, the state
attorney for Duval, Clay and Nassau counties, will have Zimmerman arrested,
announce that there's not enough evidence to file a manslaughter charge or
present evidence to a grand jury. |
N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 2 看来老黑又要暴动了
大家赶紧买枪
volunteer
climbed
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Almost certain self defense.
: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/os-trayvon-martin
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer
: who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed
: on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several
: times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the
: Orlando Sentinel.
: That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been
: corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.
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c*****t
发帖数: 10738 | 3 They just need some excuses to riot. Facts don't really matter too much to
them.
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 看来老黑又要暴动了
: 大家赶紧买枪
:
: volunteer
: climbed
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 4 如果这个属实，那还真是self defense,这是Trayvon是主动攻击Zimmerman了，而且打
的那么惨，不知道有没有录像他被打的惨状，要是录像了就有说服力多了。
volunteer
climbed
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Almost certain self defense.
: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/os-trayvon-martin
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer
: who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed
: on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several
: times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the
: Orlando Sentinel.
: That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been
: corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.
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d***y
发帖数: 8536 | |
a****g
发帖数: 8131 | 6 妈的 早上的新闻一点都不提zimmerman被打的事
黑人真能来事 |
c*****t
发帖数: 10738 | 7 没有录像。但是有witness。这也是zimmerman没有被arrest的主要原因。
【在 e********3 的大作中提到】
: 如果这个属实，那还真是self defense,这是Trayvon是主动攻击Zimmerman了，而且打
: 的那么惨，不知道有没有录像他被打的惨状，要是录像了就有说服力多了。
:
: volunteer
: climbed
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 8 都别讨论了，赶紧买枪吧
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 没有录像。但是有witness。这也是zimmerman没有被arrest的主要原因。
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e********3
发帖数: 18578 | 9 Zimmerman也傻呀，我都知道出了车祸都要拍照录像的，这么大事不自己拍个照片什么
的证明一下吗？
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 没有录像。但是有witness。这也是zimmerman没有被arrest的主要原因。
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r**m
发帖数: 2823 | 10 none of them is 好鸟
【在 d***y 的大作中提到】
: 这黑小子不是什么好鸟。
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c****a
发帖数: 3173 | |
M**1
发帖数: 86 | 12 因为Zimmerman有点点白，老黑说是racial hatred
如果是老中self defense
老黑会不会还是说racial hatred
only老黑杀老黑才不是racial hatred |
g*********r
发帖数: 2033 | 13 这个witness的事情为何没有开始就提出来？
我很怀疑，在晚上这witness 要离得多近才能看清楚？
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 没有录像。但是有witness。这也是zimmerman没有被arrest的主要原因。
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M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | |
d******g
发帖数: 6966 | 15 正解,所以个这个白猪被丢进监狱也不是坏事
【在 r**m 的大作中提到】
: none of them is 好鸟
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t**********5
发帖数: 155 | 16 this reminds me of the infamous duke lacrosse rape case |
g*********r
发帖数: 2033 | 17 黑人就是犯罪种族
但是这里这个傻X劳模就是个trouble maker,神经病
这里的陈述很多不合情理，比如这么一个aggressive的家伙，说一转眼lost sight of
trayvon,就走回自己的车子，这个肯定是胡扯
反正现在他把黑鬼打死了，全由着他来编了
【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: 黑人的素质实在是无话可说。
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M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 18 俺被偷过两次
综合起来看，两个贼就是“panda trash”
【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 正解,所以个这个白猪被丢进监狱也不是坏事
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 19 what a bunch of lies.
zimmerman is more than 100 pounds heavier than travyvon.
travyvon has no weapon.
self-defence to kill?
only idioit will believe this one sided story. |
c******k
发帖数: 8998 | 20 我靠，奥巴马还会说他儿子像Trayvon吗？
volunteer
climbed
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Almost certain self defense.
: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/os-trayvon-martin
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer
: who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed
: on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several
: times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the
: Orlando Sentinel.
: That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been
: corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.
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g*********r
发帖数: 2033 | 21 哈哈哈，我更觉着觉着奥巴马要有儿子一定会像trayvon
【在 c******k 的大作中提到】
: 我靠，奥巴马还会说他儿子像Trayvon吗？
:
: volunteer
: climbed
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c******k
发帖数: 8998 | 22 这个案子估计搞不清楚了。这小孩刚因为带大麻被开除，也不干净
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: what a bunch of lies.
: zimmerman is more than 100 pounds heavier than travyvon.
: travyvon has no weapon.
: self-defence to kill?
: only idioit will believe this one sided story.
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 23 The critical point is that This could happen to anybody, any kids.
I can just kill you with a bullet, get a very slight self-inflicted wounds,
claim seld-defense and walk away free. I don't even have to pass the jury.
The police can just listen to a completely one-sided story and let any
killer walk away.
Isn't that scary?
【在 c******k 的大作中提到】
: 这个案子估计搞不清楚了。这小孩刚因为带大麻被开除，也不干净
|
c******k
发帖数: 8998 | 24 这事最后肯定要上法庭啊，到底哪边说的真话多一点，咱们凭现在的信息也没法判断。
反正我觉得两边的story都看着不怎么正常，都应该有撒谎。
,
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: The critical point is that This could happen to anybody, any kids.
: I can just kill you with a bullet, get a very slight self-inflicted wounds,
: claim seld-defense and walk away free. I don't even have to pass the jury.
: The police can just listen to a completely one-sided story and let any
: killer walk away.
: Isn't that scary?
|
g*********r
发帖数: 2033 | 25 确实，像zimmerman这种psycho是对公共安全的威胁
,
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: The critical point is that This could happen to anybody, any kids.
: I can just kill you with a bullet, get a very slight self-inflicted wounds,
: claim seld-defense and walk away free. I don't even have to pass the jury.
: The police can just listen to a completely one-sided story and let any
: killer walk away.
: Isn't that scary?
|
h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 26 现在抗议的就是连法庭的没上呀？警察现场就决定了。
要是经过法庭，听了证人，再无罪也没这么大的民愤了。
【在 c******k 的大作中提到】
: 这事最后肯定要上法庭啊，到底哪边说的真话多一点，咱们凭现在的信息也没法判断。
: 反正我觉得两边的story都看着不怎么正常，都应该有撒谎。
:
: ,
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b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 27 在天朝，这个Zimmerman就算被打残了也不算自卫，什么叫文革？这就叫文革。中美共
治， yeah! |
b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 28 If that is scary to you, you should have left this country for ever. That
has been and will always be the norm of America.
,
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: The critical point is that This could happen to anybody, any kids.
: I can just kill you with a bullet, get a very slight self-inflicted wounds,
: claim seld-defense and walk away free. I don't even have to pass the jury.
: The police can just listen to a completely one-sided story and let any
: killer walk away.
: Isn't that scary?
|
b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 29 废话。没有证据凭什么上法庭？这种事情在美国多了去了。现场调查没有不利于
Zimmerman的证据，警察无权起诉。美国不是法制社会么？
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 现在抗议的就是连法庭的没上呀？警察现场就决定了。
: 要是经过法庭，听了证人，再无罪也没这么大的民愤了。
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g*q
发帖数: 26623 | |
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I*1
发帖数: 5635 | 31 Do you know how those black trash and left wing media control your brain?
Can we get an updated pictures of both Martin and Zimmerman, not pictures
that are three to five years old? Thanks.
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 现在抗议的就是连法庭的没上呀？警察现场就决定了。
: 要是经过法庭，听了证人，再无罪也没这么大的民愤了。
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 32 你怎么知道是self-inflicted wounds？警方最近了一些取证过程，现场附近的一个居
民作证是小黑孩骑在倒地的劳模身上揍劳模
,
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: The critical point is that This could happen to anybody, any kids.
: I can just kill you with a bullet, get a very slight self-inflicted wounds,
: claim seld-defense and walk away free. I don't even have to pass the jury.
: The police can just listen to a completely one-sided story and let any
: killer walk away.
: Isn't that scary?
|
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 33 你马,康金红在oakland街头因为$17被老黑暴头,怎么不见你scary?
,
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: The critical point is that This could happen to anybody, any kids.
: I can just kill you with a bullet, get a very slight self-inflicted wounds,
: claim seld-defense and walk away free. I don't even have to pass the jury.
: The police can just listen to a completely one-sided story and let any
: killer walk away.
: Isn't that scary?
|
h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 34 有啥证据说他身上的伤是小黑搞得？
那些伤能作为自卫杀人的充要条件吗？
就那点伤， 是不是在校园里，小孩打打架后都可以上枪了？打死人了都可以算自卫了？
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 你怎么知道是self-inflicted wounds？警方最近了一些取证过程，现场附近的一个居
: 民作证是小黑孩骑在倒地的劳模身上揍劳模
:
: ,
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 35 证人的证词,录音都有了.
你瞎子,证据都看不到?
了？
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 有啥证据说他身上的伤是小黑搞得？
: 那些伤能作为自卫杀人的充要条件吗？
: 就那点伤， 是不是在校园里，小孩打打架后都可以上枪了？打死人了都可以算自卫了？
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 36 这个不好证明。但是证人看见是小黑孩在揍劳模，所以根本不是你说的无缘无故挨枪。
按照佛州的ground law，这还真就是开枪自卫的必要条件，这个案子并不是头一例。当
然要是其他州，法律就不一样了。
～～～～～～～～～～～～～～～～～
了？
个居
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 有啥证据说他身上的伤是小黑搞得？
: 那些伤能作为自卫杀人的充要条件吗？
: 就那点伤， 是不是在校园里，小孩打打架后都可以上枪了？打死人了都可以算自卫了？
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I*1
发帖数: 5635 | 37 If anyone comes for your legally weapon in U.S, you have every single right
to defend yourself. It doesn't matter what part of your body get hurt and
how badly it hurts.
了？
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 有啥证据说他身上的伤是小黑搞得？
: 那些伤能作为自卫杀人的充要条件吗？
: 就那点伤， 是不是在校园里，小孩打打架后都可以上枪了？打死人了都可以算自卫了？
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 38 你才瞎了眼了。
大家都把证据上法庭来听听，让陪审团来决定。
听让个他妈的youtube,你就知道了？
真是他妈的混蛋。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 证人的证词,录音都有了.
: 你瞎子,证据都看不到?
:
: 了？
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 39 that is zimmerman's one-sided story.
I don't believe this guy at all.
he is racially charged, hatred blinded
right
【在 I*1 的大作中提到】
: If anyone comes for your legally weapon in U.S, you have every single right
: to defend yourself. It doesn't matter what part of your body get hurt and
: how badly it hurts.
:
: 了？
|
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 40 是啊,是让陪审团来决定好了.
把证据都摆出来.
泥马,你左棍媒体凭什么刻意隐瞒事实不报,虚报.要进行舆论审判?
泥马,老黑黑帮,凭什么要bounty那个老墨,不管死活?
我X!
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 你才瞎了眼了。
: 大家都把证据上法庭来听听，让陪审团来决定。
: 听让个他妈的youtube,你就知道了？
: 真是他妈的混蛋。
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I*1
发帖数: 5635 | 41 this case can't even be brought to the court, how come it can be delivered
to jury. you have no clue about law
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 你才瞎了眼了。
: 大家都把证据上法庭来听听，让陪审团来决定。
: 听让个他妈的youtube,你就知道了？
: 真是他妈的混蛋。
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c*****t
发帖数: 10738 | 42 如果证人的证词是真的，trayvon骑在zimmerman身上狠揍，在美国绝对是够开枪自卫了
。
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 这个不好证明。但是证人看见是小黑孩在揍劳模，所以根本不是你说的无缘无故挨枪。
: 按照佛州的ground law，这还真就是开枪自卫的必要条件，这个案子并不是头一例。当
: 然要是其他州，法律就不一样了。
:
: ～～～～～～～～～～～～～～～～～
: 了？
: 个居
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r**m
发帖数: 2823 | 43 re
【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: 黑人的素质实在是无话可说。
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 44 there are witness statements.
are you true blind or what?
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: that is zimmerman's one-sided story.
: I don't believe this guy at all.
: he is racially charged, hatred blinded
:
: right
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I*1
发帖数: 5635 | 45 geez. then tell me why left wing media only post one mug shot and one 12
yrs old innocent pics to mislead audience?
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: that is zimmerman's one-sided story.
: I don't believe this guy at all.
: he is racially charged, hatred blinded
:
: right
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 46 你个傻逼右棍，zimmerman上法庭了吗？
现在抗议的不是zimmerman连法庭都没上吗？
你们这些右棍，种族分子连起码的法律，正义，人权都不管了。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 是啊,是让陪审团来决定好了.
: 把证据都摆出来.
: 泥马,你左棍媒体凭什么刻意隐瞒事实不报,虚报.要进行舆论审判?
: 泥马,老黑黑帮,凭什么要bounty那个老墨,不管死活?
: 我X!
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 47 CNN故意没告诉他而已呵呵
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: there are witness statements.
: are you true blind or what?
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 48 放屁。
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 如果证人的证词是真的，trayvon骑在zimmerman身上狠揍，在美国绝对是够开枪自卫了
: 。
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 49 他凭什么上法庭啊?
你马?
所有证词,事实都摆出来了,只不过你选择看不见.
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 你个傻逼右棍，zimmerman上法庭了吗？
: 现在抗议的不是zimmerman连法庭都没上吗？
: 你们这些右棍，种族分子连起码的法律，正义，人权都不管了。
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 50 that motherfucker and coons are in the 911 call
【在 I*1 的大作中提到】
: geez. then tell me why left wing media only post one mug shot and one 12
: yrs old innocent pics to mislead audience?
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c*****t
发帖数: 10738 | 51 calm down. 警察局就是因为有关键证词对zimmerman有利才不上法庭啊。这么high
profile的case, 难道那个局长就因为想歧视黑人宁愿丢工作. Doesn't make any
sense啊。
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 你个傻逼右棍，zimmerman上法庭了吗？
: 现在抗议的不是zimmerman连法庭都没上吗？
: 你们这些右棍，种族分子连起码的法律，正义，人权都不管了。
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 52 这样的警察有，看了这个版的人嘴脸我很相信。
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: calm down. 警察局就是因为有关键证词对zimmerman有利才不上法庭啊。这么high
: profile的case, 难道那个局长就因为想歧视黑人宁愿丢工作. Doesn't make any
: sense啊。
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 53 媒体就是要舆论审判.
然后,Hydr这种无X左棍就往里跳.
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: calm down. 警察局就是因为有关键证词对zimmerman有利才不上法庭啊。这么high
: profile的case, 难道那个局长就因为想歧视黑人宁愿丢工作. Doesn't make any
: sense啊。
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 54 凭他枪杀人了。凭他不顾警察劝告去追踪。
凭他racially charged 911 calls.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 他凭什么上法庭啊?
: 你马?
: 所有证词,事实都摆出来了,只不过你选择看不见.
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 55 是你这种右棍，种族分子，害怕上法庭，害怕见陪审团。
现在网上请愿已经快2百万了。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 媒体就是要舆论审判.
: 然后,Hydr这种无X左棍就往里跳.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 56 别把关键事实漏了.
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 凭他枪杀人了。凭他不顾警察劝告去追踪。
: 凭他racially charged 911 calls.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 57 这就是为什么说左棍媒体无良.
通过造谣来杀人.
老黑黑帮,出$10k要zimmerman的人命,你Y怎么看?
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 是你这种右棍，种族分子，害怕上法庭，害怕见陪审团。
: 现在网上请愿已经快2百万了。
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 58 再无良也比你这种渣滓好。
2百万人的请愿在那。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 这就是为什么说左棍媒体无良.
: 通过造谣来杀人.
: 老黑黑帮,出$10k要zimmerman的人命,你Y怎么看?
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 59 所以你的$10k可以随便要人家的命.
人家被打的血流满面,却不能反抗.
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 再无良也比你这种渣滓好。
: 2百万人的请愿在那。
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 60 yourtt,我知道你这个id也不是几天了。
如果现在还是在60年代，你肯定会是那些3k党里的先锋，如果能把几个黑人吊死，杀死
，烧死，肯定是你的最大快乐。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 这就是为什么说左棍媒体无良.
: 通过造谣来杀人.
: 老黑黑帮,出$10k要zimmerman的人命,你Y怎么看?
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b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 61 "小孩打打架后都可以上枪了？打死人了都可以算自卫了？" －－ 没错。如果两小孩A
和B打架，但发在B家里面，包括自家的院子，B用枪把A打死基本上就是打死活该。如果
发生在公共场所，那么B通常不能合法携带枪支，所以会惹上麻烦。本案中zimmerman合
法持有武器。这类人，根本不一定要受伤，只要他有“合理理由”觉得自己生命安全受
到“严重威胁”，都可以开枪，警方没有充足证据根本无法起诉。这就是美国。你是刚
从国内偷渡出来的吧？早点知道这个道理对你有好处，免得以后白丢了性命。
了？
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 有啥证据说他身上的伤是小黑搞得？
: 那些伤能作为自卫杀人的充要条件吗？
: 就那点伤， 是不是在校园里，小孩打打架后都可以上枪了？打死人了都可以算自卫了？
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r**m
发帖数: 2823 | 62 警察又多赚不少加班费，咱中产为了一泥哥一劳模挣泥马个jb
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 这就是为什么说左棍媒体无良.
: 通过造谣来杀人.
: 老黑黑帮,出$10k要zimmerman的人命,你Y怎么看?
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 63 那是你们右棍的逻辑，有个bloody nose就可以防卫杀人了。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 所以你的$10k可以随便要人家的命.
: 人家被打的血流满面,却不能反抗.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 64 我们不是挣的老墨老黑.
而是主流媒体的偏向.
这种事以后出来的更多,让这些垃圾媒体垄断了话语权,颠倒黑白,中国人被歧视永无出
头之日.
【在 r**m 的大作中提到】
: 警察又多赚不少加班费，咱中产为了一泥哥一劳模挣泥马个jb
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 65 你个傻逼，你才在美国呆几天。
他有“正当理由”，你太傻逼了。
A
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: "小孩打打架后都可以上枪了？打死人了都可以算自卫了？" －－ 没错。如果两小孩A
: 和B打架，但发在B家里面，包括自家的院子，B用枪把A打死基本上就是打死活该。如果
: 发生在公共场所，那么B通常不能合法携带枪支，所以会惹上麻烦。本案中zimmerman合
: 法持有武器。这类人，根本不一定要受伤，只要他有“合理理由”觉得自己生命安全受
: 到“严重威胁”，都可以开枪，警方没有充足证据根本无法起诉。这就是美国。你是刚
: 从国内偷渡出来的吧？早点知道这个道理对你有好处，免得以后白丢了性命。
:
: 了？
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 66
A
Let's stop trying to lick someone's ass, ok? Even the writer of the florida
"stand your ground" law had publicly said the law was not intended to
protect the shooter in such kind of case.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: "小孩打打架后都可以上枪了？打死人了都可以算自卫了？" －－ 没错。如果两小孩A
: 和B打架，但发在B家里面，包括自家的院子，B用枪把A打死基本上就是打死活该。如果
: 发生在公共场所，那么B通常不能合法携带枪支，所以会惹上麻烦。本案中zimmerman合
: 法持有武器。这类人，根本不一定要受伤，只要他有“合理理由”觉得自己生命安全受
: 到“严重威胁”，都可以开枪，警方没有充足证据根本无法起诉。这就是美国。你是刚
: 从国内偷渡出来的吧？早点知道这个道理对你有好处，免得以后白丢了性命。
:
: 了？
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D*******o
发帖数: 3229 | 67 那啥时才能开枪？等到枪被人下了，并指在自己脑门上以后？现在美国的racialism太
严重了，媒体看见一身黑皮就首先认为他是受害者。
发信人: hydralistor (hydralistor), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: Travyvon案件的事实其实已经比较清楚了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Mar 26 15:54:52 2012, 美东)
那是你们右棍的逻辑，有个bloody nose就可以防卫杀人了。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 所以你的$10k可以随便要人家的命.
: 人家被打的血流满面,却不能反抗.
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b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 68 Where is your logic? Is there any evidence for any illegal action? He
possessed the gun legally and was legally authorized to fire whenever he
considered his life threatened. Unless there's substantial evidence that
proves otherwise, police has no reason to bring him to the court. Of course,
for people who self-taught 民主自由 by watching CNN/BBC, logic never exists.
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 凭他枪杀人了。凭他不顾警察劝告去追踪。
: 凭他racially charged 911 calls.
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b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 69 It doesn't matter what the "writer" intended, the reality is simple. Because
it's always difficult to prove otherwise, you better not start a fight in
anyone's private place. Nor is it wise to start a fight against any law
enforcement personnel anywhere, because the US law protects their life more
than others. Back to this case, if the dead kid was not a black boy, there
would be no case, that's it.
florida
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: A
: Let's stop trying to lick someone's ass, ok? Even the writer of the florida
: "stand your ground" law had publicly said the law was not intended to
: protect the shooter in such kind of case.
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 70 he killed a man. He claimed self-defense. There is not enough evidence to
support his self-defense.
Thare are plenty of evidence that he is raciall charged, hatred filled.
why not let the court hear the evidence?let the jury deice?
course,
exists.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: Where is your logic? Is there any evidence for any illegal action? He
: possessed the gun legally and was legally authorized to fire whenever he
: considered his life threatened. Unless there's substantial evidence that
: proves otherwise, police has no reason to bring him to the court. Of course,
: for people who self-taught 民主自由 by watching CNN/BBC, logic never exists.
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | |
b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 72 他说有就是有，除非你有足够证据说他没有。事实是没有证据，他合法拥有和使用枪支
，没有目击证人出示对他不利的证词，那就只能采信他自己的话，所以就是杀了白杀，
美国就是这样。你这种民主自由速成班出来的偷渡客理解不了也没办法，还以为美国跟
天朝一样，暴民都打警察脸了警察还要向天鸣枪示意。
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 你个傻逼，你才在美国呆几天。
: 他有“正当理由”，你太傻逼了。
:
: A
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 73 racially charge of what?
there were 8 break-ins during last 15 months in his community, most done by
black teens.
you tell me, why these sucker black teens have to do this?
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: he killed a man. He claimed self-defense. There is not enough evidence to
: support his self-defense.
: Thare are plenty of evidence that he is raciall charged, hatred filled.
: why not let the court hear the evidence?let the jury deice?
:
: course,
: exists.
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b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 74 Do you have any logic? He does NOT have to provide any evidence to support
his self-defense claim, as long as he says so. Unless the police can gather
substantial evidence that prove the opposite, he's free do make the claim
and the authority has to trust it, otherwise, there's no point of giving him
a gun in the first place if he can not use it when he feels necessary.
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: he killed a man. He claimed self-defense. There is not enough evidence to
: support his self-defense.
: Thare are plenty of evidence that he is raciall charged, hatred filled.
: why not let the court hear the evidence?let the jury deice?
:
: course,
: exists.
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c*****t
发帖数: 10738 | 75 And he actually does have his bloody nose, back of head injury, and a
witness account to support his self-defense claim. If lefts/blacks decide to
take this to court, they are very likely to lose.
gather
him
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: Do you have any logic? He does NOT have to provide any evidence to support
: his self-defense claim, as long as he says so. Unless the police can gather
: substantial evidence that prove the opposite, he's free do make the claim
: and the authority has to trust it, otherwise, there's no point of giving him
: a gun in the first place if he can not use it when he feels necessary.
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 76
gather
him
And you think that's right?
Anyone can kill anybody else as long as he claim self-defense and there's no
one there to dispute it.
That means, if you were alone, anyone can kill you and get away free if he
claim you were threatening him. To make it simple for you, a mugger can now
rob you AND kill you, AND get away with it.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: Do you have any logic? He does NOT have to provide any evidence to support
: his self-defense claim, as long as he says so. Unless the police can gather
: substantial evidence that prove the opposite, he's free do make the claim
: and the authority has to trust it, otherwise, there's no point of giving him
: a gun in the first place if he can not use it when he feels necessary.
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 77 what you said is bullshit.
He has to provide evidence to support his self-defense claim. The problem is
here, police blindedly believes him.
how long have you been in US to say such things? "He does NOT have to
provide any evidence to support
gather
him |
s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 78 看你站在谁的立场。shoot first and ask question later? or, wait get shoot and
fire back? if you are the bad guy, you will want the victim to get shoot
first. if you are the victim, you want to shoot first. pure and simple. |
b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 79 Not anyone, but a law-enforcement personnel who can carry a gun legally. He
does have to explain his action later, but unless there's any evidence
against his claim, it's hard to press any criminal charge against him. That'
s just the reality. There's a certain degree of rationality to it. Let's
imagine the police is facing a criminal in a dark corner without any witness
around him, and his life is threatened by the criminal, can he fire the gun
for self-protection? Of course he can. But, how can he prove himself other
than his own words later? He can not. The US law is designed to protect law-
enforcement personnel in such a situation, and prevent police being killed
by criminals for not daring to use weapons like what happened all the time
in China.
no
now
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: gather
: him
: And you think that's right?
: Anyone can kill anybody else as long as he claim self-defense and there's no
: one there to dispute it.
: That means, if you were alone, anyone can kill you and get away free if he
: claim you were threatening him. To make it simple for you, a mugger can now
: rob you AND kill you, AND get away with it.
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b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 80 No, he doesn't. Go back to high school and learn some basic idea about law
and justice in US.
is
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: what you said is bullshit.
: He has to provide evidence to support his self-defense claim. The problem is
: here, police blindedly believes him.
: how long have you been in US to say such things? "He does NOT have to
: provide any evidence to support
: gather
: him
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s*****n
发帖数: 1794 | 81 Almost certain self defense.
定性为时尚早吧？题目明显已经选边站了。
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/os-trayvon-martin
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With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer
who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed
on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several
times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the
Orlando Sentinel.
That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been
corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.
人证没有具体介绍
Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened, but that night, Feb.
26, and in later meetings he described and re-enacted for police what he
says happened.
In his version of events, he had turned around and was walking back to his
SUV when Trayvon approached him from behind, the two exchanged words then
Trayvon punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began
beating him.
他后面又说把人跟丢了，按这种说法，也就是他当时也不会在小黑的视野里。小黑突然
回身去找一个已经不再视野里的“跟踪者”？有可能，但按常理不会。
Zimmerman told police he shot the teenager in self-defense.
Civil rights leaders and thousands of others have demanded Zimmerman's
arrest, calling Trayvon a victim of racial profiling and Zimmerman a
vigilante.
Trayvon was an unarmed black teenager who had committed no crime, an
innocent who was gunned down while walking back from a 7-Eleven with nothing
more sinister than a package of Skittles and can of Arizona iced tea.
没有任何接触，直接下车跟人然后开枪就杀实在是有点匪夷所思。
Supporters have held rallies in Sanford, Miami, New York and Tallahassee,
calling the case a tragic miscarriage of injustice.
Activist Al Sharpton headlined a rally in Sanford Thursday that drew an
estimated 8,000 people. The Rev. Jesse Jackson yesterday spoke at an
Eatonville church, where he called Trayvon a martyr.
Another rally is scheduled for 4 p.m. today in Sanford.
Zimmerman has gone into hiding. A fringe group, the New Black Panthers, have
offered a $10,000 reward for his capture.
Police have been reluctant to provided details about all their evidence, but
this is what they've disclosed to the Sentinel:
为什么选择性的提供这个证据，而警方不愿意提供其他已经掌握的证据？
Zimmerman was on his way to the grocery store when he spotted Trayvon
walking through his gated community.
Trayvon was visiting his father's fiancée, who lived there. He had been
suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana
baggie. Miami schools have a zero-tolerance policy for drug possession.
这与本案无关，为什么写这个？
Zimmerman called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon
as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.
前面写大麻是为这里打伏笔。行为到底如何反常？除了是黑人还有什么？毒品完全是臆
测，甚至是后加的，警方通话记录里有没有提到毒品？
Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch
employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said
yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.
为什么在明确被告知不要跟踪后继续？
There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure
what happened.
Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV
when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
前面提到了这个有点儿不合常理。
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached
for his cell phone, he told police.
Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched
Zimmerman in the nose.
Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began
slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.
Zimmerman began yelling for help.
Several witnesses heard those cries, and there's been a dispute about from
whom they came: Zimmerman or Trayvon.
目击证人的细节在哪里？这么关键的地方为什么一笔带过？
Lawyers for Trayvon's family say it was Trayvon, but police say their
evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.
前面说几个目击证人之间对是谁喊救命有分歧，为什么警方说他们的证据是明确偏向一
方？
One witnesses, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told
police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him and
was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.
双方体格如何？
Zimmerman then shot Trayvon once in the chest from very close range,
according to authorities.
When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from
the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his
head.
Paramedics gave him first aide but he said no to going to the hospital. He
got medical care the next day.
这里实在不合常理，已经出来命案，假设是在命案发生前打斗中造成鼻子流血，嘴唇肿
，后脑开瓢，不去医院鉴定？
The Department of Justice last week opened a civil rights investigation into
what happened, and Gov. Rick Scott appointed a special prosecutor.
It's not clear whether the special prosecutor, Angela Corey, the state
attorney for Duval, Clay and Nassau counties, will have Zimmerman arrested,
announce that there's not enough evidence to file a manslaughter charge or
present evidence to a grand jury.
个人认为，实际情况在双方“故事”中间某个位置。不管真相如何，命案如此处置实在
有些过于轻描淡写。 |
s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 82 扯这些都没用，关键是你能不能buildthecase，否则到了陪审团那，只要有一点点
selfdefense的可能性，就没法定罪。 |
c******k
发帖数: 8998 | 83 他后面又说把人跟丢了，按这种说法，也就是他当时也不会在小黑的视野里。小黑突然
回身去找一个已经不再视野里的“跟踪者”？有可能，但按常理不会。
------------------
你这个argument很弱啊。你看不见别人不等于别人看不见你啊
volunteer
climbed
【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】
: Almost certain self defense.
: 定性为时尚早吧？题目明显已经选边站了。
: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/os-trayvon-martin
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer
: who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed
: on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several
: times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the
: Orlando Sentinel.
: That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 84 是呀，那就让大家都听听法庭证词，陪审团裁决。而不是什么youtube bullshit.
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 扯这些都没用，关键是你能不能buildthecase，否则到了陪审团那，只要有一点点
: selfdefense的可能性，就没法定罪。
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 85 喂, 你该知道"innocent until proven guilty",
证明有罪的责任是在控方, 这一项最最基本的原则罢?
也就是说, 他说自己"身上的伤是小黑搞得".
这个如果是真的, 他就没有违法,
所以他就 ***不需要*** 为此提供(额外)证明.
而你, 或者任何人, 包括警方,
如果拿不出铁证来反证他, 那他这样的说法就被默认为事实, 他就没有违法.
但是如果你, 或者任何人, 包括警方,
现在怀疑这个伤不是小黑搞的, 怀疑他在说谎, 怀疑他违法了,
那么你 -- YOU -- 就得主动自己去找到证明来.
OK? 不要本末倒置了.
你现在有这样的证明么?
譬如说, 你有甚么证明, 他脑后的伤 ***不是*** 那个小黑弄的?
了？
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 有啥证据说他身上的伤是小黑搞得？
: 那些伤能作为自卫杀人的充要条件吗？
: 就那点伤， 是不是在校园里，小孩打打架后都可以上枪了？打死人了都可以算自卫了？
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 86 他身上的伤，是不是serious body ingury, 够不够zimmerman来用枪杀人。这些总能看
见。
而且有小黑女友作证，死者死前还在和她打电话。
zimmerman打911 时的racial language,有足够的证据怀疑。
了,
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 喂, 你该知道"innocent until proven guilty",
: 证明有罪的责任是在控方, 这一项最最基本的原则罢?
: 也就是说, 他说自己"身上的伤是小黑搞得".
: 这个如果是真的, 他就没有违法,
: 所以他就 ***不需要*** 为此提供(额外)证明.
: 而你, 或者任何人, 包括警方,
: 如果拿不出铁证来反证他, 那他这样的说法就被默认为事实, 他就没有违法.
: 但是如果你, 或者任何人, 包括警方,
: 现在怀疑这个伤不是小黑搞的, 怀疑他在说谎, 怀疑他违法了,
: 那么你 -- YOU -- 就得主动自己去找到证明来.
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s*****n
发帖数: 1794 | 87 这个举证的责任不能都在小黑方。目前警方没有指控老白，所以谈不上要小黑方举证。
而警方未指控老白的理由是正当防卫，而正当防卫的前提是小黑攻击老白，并且攻击足
够严重，老白用身上的伤来做证据，同时还有目击证人。所以举证的责任在老白，他说
受到的攻击嘛。但是老白身上的伤当时没有去医院，关键在目击证人。而目击证人似乎
也有分歧。现在实际是扯皮。
这里还有个防卫过当的问题。就算小黑攻击老白，是否就要当场击毙？注意警方很快就
到了现场。几分钟之前还和老白保持联系，这个老白当时应该是心知肚明的。
我认为这个案子的真实情况是防卫过当。老白对黑人有偏见，甚至是歧视。这从他自己
主动跟踪小黑，而他的公开的理由是小黑行为可疑，可能有毒品（其实还有他是黑人）
可以看出来。两人后来口角，甚至打到一团，老白一时激动，拔枪就射，小黑上了天堂。
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 喂, 你该知道"innocent until proven guilty",
: 证明有罪的责任是在控方, 这一项最最基本的原则罢?
: 也就是说, 他说自己"身上的伤是小黑搞得".
: 这个如果是真的, 他就没有违法,
: 所以他就 ***不需要*** 为此提供(额外)证明.
: 而你, 或者任何人, 包括警方,
: 如果拿不出铁证来反证他, 那他这样的说法就被默认为事实, 他就没有违法.
: 但是如果你, 或者任何人, 包括警方,
: 现在怀疑这个伤不是小黑搞的, 怀疑他在说谎, 怀疑他违法了,
: 那么你 -- YOU -- 就得主动自己去找到证明来.
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b********z
发帖数: 2092 | 88 黑小弟150磅，一米88 （6尺三）， zimmerman 200磅，一米73（5尺9），谁说多100多
磅了？ 媒体一直放的老黑几年前小时候的照片，起了误导作用。
老墨被打翻在地，黑小弟在上面打击他，有证人目击。 老墨的鼻子后脑勺都破了，后
去的警察都看到了。当时简单治疗了下，没去医院，第二天去了。
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: what a bunch of lies.
: zimmerman is more than 100 pounds heavier than travyvon.
: travyvon has no weapon.
: self-defence to kill?
: only idioit will believe this one sided story.
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g*********r
发帖数: 2033 | 89 唯一的一个声称黑鬼打老莫的是一个13岁的小孩
剩下的很多邻居都声称没有听到打斗声，而且出来时候看到老莫从黑鬼身上爬起来
【在 b********z 的大作中提到】
: 黑小弟150磅，一米88 （6尺三）， zimmerman 200磅，一米73（5尺9），谁说多100多
: 磅了？ 媒体一直放的老黑几年前小时候的照片，起了误导作用。
: 老墨被打翻在地，黑小弟在上面打击他，有证人目击。 老墨的鼻子后脑勺都破了，后
: 去的警察都看到了。当时简单治疗了下，没去医院，第二天去了。
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 90
He
That'
witness
gun
other
law-
you are just unbelievable. I'm not so worried about law enforcement
officers shooting me. I'm worried about psychos like George zimmerman here
who think just because he has a gun, he's the law.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: Not anyone, but a law-enforcement personnel who can carry a gun legally. He
: does have to explain his action later, but unless there's any evidence
: against his claim, it's hard to press any criminal charge against him. That'
: s just the reality. There's a certain degree of rationality to it. Let's
: imagine the police is facing a criminal in a dark corner without any witness
: around him, and his life is threatened by the criminal, can he fire the gun
: for self-protection? Of course he can. But, how can he prove himself other
: than his own words later? He can not. The US law is designed to protect law-
: enforcement personnel in such a situation, and prevent police being killed
: by criminals for not daring to use weapons like what happened all the time
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 91 一個人帶著槍跟蹤你，你把他揍倒在地。現在變成他自我防衛了？
volunteer
climbed
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Almost certain self defense.
: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/os-trayvon-martin
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer
: who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed
: on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several
: times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the
: Orlando Sentinel.
: That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been
: corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.
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t**x
发帖数: 20965 | 92 操，被代表了
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: If that is scary to you, you should have left this country for ever. That
: has been and will always be the norm of America.
:
: ,
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b*****e
发帖数: 474 | 93 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
zimmerman 250磅 vs 黑小弟140磅
And this part about police and another witness:
Another witness, Mary Cutcher, believes "there was no punching, no hitting
going on at the time, no wrestling" just prior to the shooting, though she
neither saw the shooting nor the preceding altercation.[56] The police say
she gave an official account to them that agreed with Zimmerman's story.[57]
[58] Cutcher and her roommate told CNN journalist Anderson Cooper that their
own account of the incident to the police did not agree with Zimmerman's,
and that they had demanded that the police retract that incorrect statement.
They also said, about the police's attitude at the scene, that "they were
siding with him [Zimmerman] from the start" and that they heard the pair in
their backyard and a "very young voice" whining, with no sounds of a fight.
They heard a gunshot; the crying stopped immediately, and they saw Zimmerman
on his knees pinning Martin down on the ground.[59]
【在 b********z 的大作中提到】
: 黑小弟150磅，一米88 （6尺三）， zimmerman 200磅，一米73（5尺9），谁说多100多
: 磅了？ 媒体一直放的老黑几年前小时候的照片，起了误导作用。
: 老墨被打翻在地，黑小弟在上面打击他，有证人目击。 老墨的鼻子后脑勺都破了，后
: 去的警察都看到了。当时简单治疗了下，没去医院，第二天去了。
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m****c
发帖数: 244 | 94 this george zimmerman guy has only one single mug shot on the internet, and
the picture looks menacing. trayvon martin, on the other hand, has multiple
pictures and they all look innocent, except the one with the golden teeth. |
Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 95 死得好。希望开枪者最终无罪。
volunteer
climbed
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Almost certain self defense.
: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/os-trayvon-martin
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer
: who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed
: on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several
: times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the
: Orlando Sentinel.
: That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been
: corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 96 死得好。希望开枪者最终无罪。
volunteer
climbed
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Almost certain self defense.
: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/os-trayvon-martin
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer
: who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed
: on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several
: times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the
: Orlando Sentinel.
: That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been
: corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.
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T*R
发帖数: 25894 | 97 Do you think mugger cares about laws when they "rob" you???
no
now
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: He
: That'
: witness
: gun
: other
: law-
: you are just unbelievable. I'm not so worried about law enforcement
: officers shooting me. I'm worried about psychos like George zimmerman here
: who think just because he has a gun, he's the law.
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d********e
发帖数: 2221 | 98
Not true. self defense is affirmative defense. therefore the burden falls
on the defendant. The defendant, not the prosecutor, has to prove beyond
reasonable doubt or under preponderance of evidence (depending on the state)
that the defendant acted in self defense.
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 喂, 你该知道"innocent until proven guilty",
: 证明有罪的责任是在控方, 这一项最最基本的原则罢?
: 也就是说, 他说自己"身上的伤是小黑搞得".
: 这个如果是真的, 他就没有违法,
: 所以他就 ***不需要*** 为此提供(额外)证明.
: 而你, 或者任何人, 包括警方,
: 如果拿不出铁证来反证他, 那他这样的说法就被默认为事实, 他就没有违法.
: 但是如果你, 或者任何人, 包括警方,
: 现在怀疑这个伤不是小黑搞的, 怀疑他在说谎, 怀疑他违法了,
: 那么你 -- YOU -- 就得主动自己去找到证明来.
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d********e
发帖数: 2221 | 99 do some research before you speak!
self defense is affirmative defense. therefore the burden falls on the
defendant. The defendant, not the prosecutor, has to prove beyond
reasonable doubt or under preponderance of evidence (depending on the state)
that the defendant acted in self defense.
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 扯这些都没用，关键是你能不能buildthecase，否则到了陪审团那，只要有一点点
: selfdefense的可能性，就没法定罪。
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s**********d
发帖数: 36899 | 100 铁证如山啊。
and
multiple
【在 m****c 的大作中提到】
: this george zimmerman guy has only one single mug shot on the internet, and
: the picture looks menacing. trayvon martin, on the other hand, has multiple
: pictures and they all look innocent, except the one with the golden teeth.
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 101 本版的某些人法盲就算了，怎麼講話還像紅脖子？看Fox實在是損傷腦細胞啊。
state)
【在 d********e 的大作中提到】
: do some research before you speak!
: self defense is affirmative defense. therefore the burden falls on the
: defendant. The defendant, not the prosecutor, has to prove beyond
: reasonable doubt or under preponderance of evidence (depending on the state)
: that the defendant acted in self defense.
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T*R
发帖数: 25894 | |
s**********d
发帖数: 36899 | 103 现场证人的证词，通常都是不准的。。。
【在 b*****e 的大作中提到】
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
: zimmerman 250磅 vs 黑小弟140磅
: And this part about police and another witness:
: Another witness, Mary Cutcher, believes "there was no punching, no hitting
: going on at the time, no wrestling" just prior to the shooting, though she
: neither saw the shooting nor the preceding altercation.[56] The police say
: she gave an official account to them that agreed with Zimmerman's story.[57]
: [58] Cutcher and her roommate told CNN journalist Anderson Cooper that their
: own account of the incident to the police did not agree with Zimmerman's,
: and that they had demanded that the police retract that incorrect statement.
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d********e
发帖数: 2221 | 104 This is exactly why I said "do some research before you speak." If you know
how to read...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_defense
"A clear illustration of an affirmative defense is self defense.[3] In its
simplest form, a criminal defendant may be exonerated if ***he*** can
demonstrate that he had an honest and reasonable belief that another's use
of force was unlawful and that the defendant's conduct was necessary to
protect himself.[4]"
"Burden of Proof
Because an affirmative defense requires an assertion of facts beyond those claimed by the plaintiff, generally the party who offers an affirmative defense bears the burden of proof.[6] The standard of proof is typically lower than beyond a reasonable doubt. It can either be proved by clear and convincing evidence or by a preponderance of the evidence. In some cases or jurisdictions, however, the defense must only be asserted, and the prosecution has the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defense is not applicable.[citation needed]"
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: 本版的某些人法盲就算了，怎麼講話還像紅脖子？看Fox實在是損傷腦細胞啊。
:
: state)
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s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 105 其实很简单，假如你是Zimmerman，你咋办？现在有些事实基本上无争议，1。
Zimmerman在自己的community看到Trayvon形迹可疑，并报警，跟踪。2。Zimmerman跟
丢了Trayvon。3。Trayvon说有人跟踪他。4。俩人打架了。Zimmerman流鼻血，脑后有
包。这之间发生什么，可能性1。按Zimmerman说，Trayvon出奇不意先打他。2。
Trayvon方的耳机证人只听到Trayvon先说： 'What are you following me for,' 然后
就是打架。如果你是Zimmerman你咋办？ |
p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 106 假如你是Trayvon呢？難道因為他是黑人，你就沒辦法想像自己如果處在他的地位會怎
樣？
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 其实很简单，假如你是Zimmerman，你咋办？现在有些事实基本上无争议，1。
: Zimmerman在自己的community看到Trayvon形迹可疑，并报警，跟踪。2。Zimmerman跟
: 丢了Trayvon。3。Trayvon说有人跟踪他。4。俩人打架了。Zimmerman流鼻血，脑后有
: 包。这之间发生什么，可能性1。按Zimmerman说，Trayvon出奇不意先打他。2。
: Trayvon方的耳机证人只听到Trayvon先说： 'What are you following me for,' 然后
: 就是打架。如果你是Zimmerman你咋办？
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C*****y
发帖数: 240 | 107 从照片来看Trayvon Martin比George Zimmerman瘦小多了， 居然一拳能把Zimmerman打
到在地
看来是学过武功了
volunteer
climbed
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Almost certain self defense.
: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/os-trayvon-martin
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer
: who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed
: on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several
: times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the
: Orlando Sentinel.
: That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been
: corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.
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c*****t
发帖数: 10738 | 108 呵呵。我想没几个中国人会在这个时候冲上去狂揍neighbourhood watch吧。Bang his
head against the sidewalk? That could be deadly.
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: 假如你是Trayvon呢？難道因為他是黑人，你就沒辦法想像自己如果處在他的地位會怎
: 樣？
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 109 被媒体照片误导了
其实高很多
【在 C*****y 的大作中提到】
: 从照片来看Trayvon Martin比George Zimmerman瘦小多了， 居然一拳能把Zimmerman打
: 到在地
: 看来是学过武功了
:
: volunteer
: climbed
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C*****y
发帖数: 240 | 110 哦，那黑人们对媒体操纵能力让人吃惊
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 被媒体照片误导了
: 其实高很多
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 111 你知道後面拿槍的是街道糾察隊？他有跟你聲明自己的身份嗎？
his
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵。我想没几个中国人会在这个时候冲上去狂揍neighbourhood watch吧。Bang his
: head against the sidewalk? That could be deadly.
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s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 112 如果我是Trayvon，我不会在别人家的地盘上跟人家fight。换个角度，如果Zimmerman
在老黑的地盘，他会选择fight么？
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: 假如你是Trayvon呢？難道因為他是黑人，你就沒辦法想像自己如果處在他的地位會怎
: 樣？
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c*****t
发帖数: 10738 | 113 在谁的地盘也不能先动手啊。在美国这是最大的忌讳吧。
Zimmerman
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 如果我是Trayvon，我不会在别人家的地盘上跟人家fight。换个角度，如果Zimmerman
: 在老黑的地盘，他会选择fight么？
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s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 114 对呀，你啥都不知道，就和人家打架？
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: 你知道後面拿槍的是街道糾察隊？他有跟你聲明自己的身份嗎？
:
: his
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 115 嗯， 看他的网名叫ｓｈｅｅｈａｎ就知道他很弱智了．
当初反战的ｓｈｅｅｈａｎ现在在哪儿？
【在 c******k 的大作中提到】
: 他后面又说把人跟丢了，按这种说法，也就是他当时也不会在小黑的视野里。小黑突然
: 回身去找一个已经不再视野里的“跟踪者”？有可能，但按常理不会。
: ------------------
: 你这个argument很弱啊。你看不见别人不等于别人看不见你啊
:
: volunteer
: climbed
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s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 116 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
Legal issues
Self-defense laws in the United States, particularly regarding justifiable
homicide, vary by state. Florida law, as of 2005, includes a "stand your
ground" provision, under which a person can use deadly force if they
reasonably believe it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily
harm, in most circumstances.[94] In many states, such laws protect people
in their own homes, but Florida's version extends the no-retreat premise to
vehicles and public places.[95][96] After the shooting, media reports had
indicated that Zimmerman most likely would use the Stand Your Ground
provison in Florida's self-defense law. However, Craig Sonner, attorney for
George Zimmerman, was interviewed by Anderson Cooper on March 23, 2012 and
stated that the Stand Your Ground law was not applicable in this case, but
that this was still a case of self defense. According to Durell Peaden, one
of the sponsors of the Florida law, the law does not say that a person has a
right to confront another. "When [Zimmerman] said 'I'm following him', he
lost his defense."[97]
Zimmerman said that he was returning to his SUV when attacked, telling
police he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he
was on, when Martin attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck.
[98] His attorney said he believed that Zimmerman's nose was broken and he
sustained an injury to the back of his head that probably should have had
stitches. [99] Florida law prohibits arresting a suspect who claims self
defense, unless it has probable cause to show the force used was unlawful,
and awards damages, repayment of lost income, court costs, attorneys fees if
an arrest is made, and the suspect is later found immune to prosecution due
to the self-defense statute.[100]
Some sources have given the opinion that Martin was acting in self defense
from the confrontation with Zimmerman; under that theory, Zimmerman would
not be entitled to immunity for the shooting. [101][102]
know
claimed by the plaintiff, generally the party who offers an affirmative
defense bears the burden of proof.[6] The standard of proof is typically
lower than beyond a reasonable doubt. It can either be proved by clear and
convincing evidence or by a preponderance of the evidence. In some cases or
jurisdictions, however, the defense must only be asserted, and the
prosecution has the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt: .............
......
【在 d********e 的大作中提到】
: This is exactly why I said "do some research before you speak." If you know
: how to read...
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_defense
: "A clear illustration of an affirmative defense is self defense.[3] In its
: simplest form, a criminal defendant may be exonerated if ***he*** can
: demonstrate that he had an honest and reasonable belief that another's use
: of force was unlawful and that the defendant's conduct was necessary to
: protect himself.[4]"
: "Burden of Proof
: Because an affirmative defense requires an assertion of facts beyond those claimed by the plaintiff, generally the party who offers an affirmative defense bears the burden of proof.[6] The standard of proof is typically lower than beyond a reasonable doubt. It can either be proved by clear and convincing evidence or by a preponderance of the evidence. In some cases or jurisdictions, however, the defense must only be asserted, and the prosecution has the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defense is not applicable.[citation needed]"
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p****n
发帖数: 9263 | 117 1.85米，160多磅，打架最黄金的身段了
你女的吧？
【在 C*****y 的大作中提到】
: 从照片来看Trayvon Martin比George Zimmerman瘦小多了， 居然一拳能把Zimmerman打
: 到在地
: 看来是学过武功了
:
: volunteer
: climbed
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l****g
发帖数: 5080 | 118 不管法律如何，要是有人骑在我身上，拿我的头往地上撞，我要是有枪，先把他打死再
说，总比自己死掉强。这个时候不是考虑对手是不是真心杀死自己的时候，等他停止侵
害了之后慢慢考虑不迟，就算自己要因此坐牢，那也比死掉强一万倍。
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 这个不好证明。但是证人看见是小黑孩在揍劳模，所以根本不是你说的无缘无故挨枪。
: 按照佛州的ground law，这还真就是开枪自卫的必要条件，这个案子并不是头一例。当
: 然要是其他州，法律就不一样了。
:
: ～～～～～～～～～～～～～～～～～
: 了？
: 个居
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g********g
发帖数: 2172 | 119 警察没有不让他去, 警察说了 "You do not have to.". 没有说 "Do not do it.".
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 凭他枪杀人了。凭他不顾警察劝告去追踪。
: 凭他racially charged 911 calls.
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m********1
发帖数: 177 | 120 我曾经被黑人青年群殴了一次。和这次zimmerman的事情很像。当时一群trayvon 一样
的黑人路过我，一个人毫无预警的一拳打倒我的后脑，当时就把我打倒，我的眼镜打飞
了。一群人冲上了朝我脸上，身上踢。我挣扎的爬出人群，捡起树枝反击。他们就跑了
。跑出不远他们一块大笑。
我想让这里支持trayvon的中外人士知道，下次trayvon见了你们还是想揍你一顿。 |
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r***n
发帖数: 298 | 121 你应该买把枪。下次有人揍你时，打死他。
【在 m********1 的大作中提到】
: 我曾经被黑人青年群殴了一次。和这次zimmerman的事情很像。当时一群trayvon 一样
: 的黑人路过我，一个人毫无预警的一拳打倒我的后脑，当时就把我打倒，我的眼镜打飞
: 了。一群人冲上了朝我脸上，身上踢。我挣扎的爬出人群，捡起树枝反击。他们就跑了
: 。跑出不远他们一块大笑。
: 我想让这里支持trayvon的中外人士知道，下次trayvon见了你们还是想揍你一顿。
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c*********p
发帖数: 3217 | 122 zimmerman 1.75cm,
travyvon 1.90 cm, age : 17
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: what a bunch of lies.
: zimmerman is more than 100 pounds heavier than travyvon.
: travyvon has no weapon.
: self-defence to kill?
: only idioit will believe this one sided story.
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 123 然后就被bounty了。。。。
【在 r***n 的大作中提到】
: 你应该买把枪。下次有人揍你时，打死他。
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c*****t
发帖数: 10738 | 124 better than got beaten up.
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 然后就被bounty了。。。。
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 125 這話倒是有理，如果能夠證明是事實的話。現在看起來的情況是他先持槍跟蹤別人，而
且沒有向對方表明自己身份，他是犯錯在先。然後兩個人打起來，Trayvon被他開槍打
死了。除非他能證明對方意圖傷害他的生命，否則不能說打架打不過開槍打死對手就是
正當防衛了。不然你要是在街上被人挑釁，然後跟對方打起來，那麼你的命就已經不在
你的手中了，隨時對方都可能掏槍“正當防衛。”
【在 l****g 的大作中提到】
: 不管法律如何，要是有人骑在我身上，拿我的头往地上撞，我要是有枪，先把他打死再
: 说，总比自己死掉强。这个时候不是考虑对手是不是真心杀死自己的时候，等他停止侵
: 害了之后慢慢考虑不迟，就算自己要因此坐牢，那也比死掉强一万倍。
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l**w
发帖数: 865 | 126 I read somewhere that people who initialize the confront can't claim self-
defense or stand your own ground.
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: 這話倒是有理，如果能夠證明是事實的話。現在看起來的情況是他先持槍跟蹤別人，而
: 且沒有向對方表明自己身份，他是犯錯在先。然後兩個人打起來，Trayvon被他開槍打
: 死了。除非他能證明對方意圖傷害他的生命，否則不能說打架打不過開槍打死對手就是
: 正當防衛了。不然你要是在街上被人挑釁，然後跟對方打起來，那麼你的命就已經不在
: 你的手中了，隨時對方都可能掏槍“正當防衛。”
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c*********p
发帖数: 3217 | 127 １．９０CM, 17 岁,对,１．７５CM
！！！！
发信人: cannotsleep (cannotsleep), 信区: Military
标 题: 支持开枪. １．９０CM, 17 岁,对,１．７５CM，
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 27 13:49:05 2012, 美东)
．．．．
我认为, 中国加拿大，只有坏人拥有枪,所以坏人更无法无天.
【在 C*****y 的大作中提到】
: 从照片来看Trayvon Martin比George Zimmerman瘦小多了， 居然一拳能把Zimmerman打
: 到在地
: 看来是学过武功了
:
: volunteer
: climbed
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c*********p
发帖数: 3217 | 128 我查了,是,１．９０米呢. １７岁.
对手,只有，１．７５米． 年龄还大.重很多正是肥,很容易倒.
【在 p****n 的大作中提到】
: 1.85米，160多磅，打架最黄金的身段了
: 你女的吧？
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s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 129 所以说只要Zimmerman一口咬定，Zimmerman只是跟踪并没有confront Trayvon，然后跟
丢了，Trayvon从后面上来先动手并把他头往地上磕就是自卫。除非你有证据证明以上
陈述是假的。
【在 l**w 的大作中提到】
: I read somewhere that people who initialize the confront can't claim self-
: defense or stand your own ground.
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 130 那是，gound law的本质就是要不别打架，要打架就要下手狠
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: better than got beaten up.
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 131 The quick and the dead.
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 那是，gound law的本质就是要不别打架，要打架就要下手狠
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c*****t
发帖数: 10738 | 132 警察对Trayvon的态度: "Act like a Thug Die like one!" Officer Jason Giroir
wrote on the website of CNN affiliate WWL-TV under a news report on the case.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/27/justice/florida-teen-shooting/ind |
j*******n
发帖数: 3254 | 133 OMG
【在 m********1 的大作中提到】
: 我曾经被黑人青年群殴了一次。和这次zimmerman的事情很像。当时一群trayvon 一样
: 的黑人路过我，一个人毫无预警的一拳打倒我的后脑，当时就把我打倒，我的眼镜打飞
: 了。一群人冲上了朝我脸上，身上踢。我挣扎的爬出人群，捡起树枝反击。他们就跑了
: 。跑出不远他们一块大笑。
: 我想让这里支持trayvon的中外人士知道，下次trayvon见了你们还是想揍你一顿。
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l**w
发帖数: 865 | 134 That is why it is called "shot first" law.
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 那是，gound law的本质就是要不别打架，要打架就要下手狠
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m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 135 Marijuana? Oh, come on, I'm not sure about the previous centuries. But in
this one, we haven't got a President without drug problem.
【在 c******k 的大作中提到】
: 我靠，奥巴马还会说他儿子像Trayvon吗？
:
: volunteer
: climbed
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m*b
发帖数: 1421 | 136
这一秒是bloody nose，下一秒估计就没命了
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 那是你们右棍的逻辑，有个bloody nose就可以防卫杀人了。
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m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 137 Zimmerman already called 911. And police actually arrived within 3 minutes.
Most Americans would just stand by before the police arrive.
A teen was out smoking marijuana and a man is on guard watch. What should
happen is, the cop checked on Trayvan, who already ditched the marijuana bag
of course. No problem found, Trayvan went home with Skittles, and Zimmerman
went on guard, and was happy he had done it right. They might run into each
again this week, having a small talk, and joking about the incident. The
bottom line is nobody should be dead.
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 其实很简单，假如你是Zimmerman，你咋办？现在有些事实基本上无争议，1。
: Zimmerman在自己的community看到Trayvon形迹可疑，并报警，跟踪。2。Zimmerman跟
: 丢了Trayvon。3。Trayvon说有人跟踪他。4。俩人打架了。Zimmerman流鼻血，脑后有
: 包。这之间发生什么，可能性1。按Zimmerman说，Trayvon出奇不意先打他。2。
: Trayvon方的耳机证人只听到Trayvon先说： 'What are you following me for,' 然后
: 就是打架。如果你是Zimmerman你咋办？
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g***e
发帖数: 4074 | 138 你说的只是有这种可能而已。但是如果事情的真实经过确实如此，那又该如何判断，如
何处理？
这是个悲剧。我个人认为那个联防队员确实有责任。人家警察局的分派员都明确说了不
用去跟踪。退一步讲，联防队员即使有权利象真正的警察一样去跟踪他认为可以的人和
事，但谁都知道被人当作怀疑对象跟踪是很不爽的事情。所以，在没有明确小孩是否有
违反行为之前，人家不爽你跟踪跟你有言语冲突的时候应该及时表明身份，尽量不要激
化冲突，进而引发不冷静行为。如果说联防队员确实exchange word了，那他所谓的执
法是不合格的，要负责任。再者，在有肢体冲突的时候，直接开枪射杀让人确实有些觉
得出手太重——当然，在美国由于枪支泛滥，这个倒是可以理解。
不过联防队员说的那些跟踪丢了，然后往自己车走，突然被袭啥的，个人感觉是在讲故
事，尽量把自己描述得很无辜。有点扯。
这个事情，联防队员绝对是不合格，草率鲁莽，肯定有责任。但是这些打种族牌，故意
隐瞒小黑攻击的做法也是非常不地道的。
,
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: The critical point is that This could happen to anybody, any kids.
: I can just kill you with a bullet, get a very slight self-inflicted wounds,
: claim seld-defense and walk away free. I don't even have to pass the jury.
: The police can just listen to a completely one-sided story and let any
: killer walk away.
: Isn't that scary?
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 139 who said Trayvon Martin is smoking pot at that time?
Is there any mention of pot?
Did you just fabricate it?
.
bag
Zimmerman
each
【在 m***y 的大作中提到】
: Zimmerman already called 911. And police actually arrived within 3 minutes.
: Most Americans would just stand by before the police arrive.
: A teen was out smoking marijuana and a man is on guard watch. What should
: happen is, the cop checked on Trayvan, who already ditched the marijuana bag
: of course. No problem found, Trayvan went home with Skittles, and Zimmerman
: went on guard, and was happy he had done it right. They might run into each
: again this week, having a small talk, and joking about the incident. The
: bottom line is nobody should be dead.
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m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 140 :) You definitely don't know Jeremy Lin's nickname on Internet when he was
in teen age.
We were all stupid in teen age. If possible, I don't mind being stupid if I
can stay that young.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 嗯， 看他的网名叫ｓｈｅｅｈａｎ就知道他很弱智了．
: 当初反战的ｓｈｅｅｈａｎ现在在哪儿？
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m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 141 奥巴马像Trayvon, he said he quits smoking 95%. I figure that 5% is marijuana.
【在 g*********r 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈哈，我更觉着觉着奥巴马要有儿子一定会像trayvon
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 142 白人吸大麻的也多得是。
这个案子和大麻一点关系都没有。
marijuana.
【在 m***y 的大作中提到】
: 奥巴马像Trayvon, he said he quits smoking 95%. I figure that 5% is marijuana.
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m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 143 Even if all true, it still sounds like a bait-and-kill. Zimmerman already
called 911, and police is coming. And he still still managed to get one
killed, I have to suspect he intended that.
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 如果证人的证词是真的，trayvon骑在zimmerman身上狠揍，在美国绝对是够开枪自卫了
: 。
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m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 144 Zimmerman said so. I don't have any evidence against that.
Oh, come on, you don't the teenagers nowadays? Even if it's Obama, if he
said he needs to go for a Iced tea from the convenience store after the meal
, I'd suspect he is going out for a smoke. And I would sincerely wish it's
ONLY marijuana, because it could be much much worse.
Don't forget this dude was just suspended from school for having an empty
marijuana bag. And I don't think he could quit so fast as Obama could.
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: who said Trayvon Martin is smoking pot at that time?
: Is there any mention of pot?
: Did you just fabricate it?
:
: .
: bag
: Zimmerman
: each
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D*******o
发帖数: 3229 | 145 Shall Zimmerman wait until the police come to pick up his dead body?
发信人: mccoy (强老), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: Travyvon案件的事实其实已经比较清楚了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 27 16:40:18 2012, 美东)
Even if all true, it still sounds like a bait-and-kill. Zimmerman already
called 911, and police is coming. And he still still managed to get one
killed, I have to suspect he intended that. |
m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 146 The kid was just picking an iced tea from the convenience store and Skittles
for his step-mother soon to be. OK, according to Zimmerman, he was probably
high on drug.
Sure, I think he was a trouble-maker, but a killer? Oh, yeah, he already set
up his mind before heading out, and he was gonna behead the watchman
captain before the ice cubes completely melt :)
【在 D*******o 的大作中提到】
: Shall Zimmerman wait until the police come to pick up his dead body?
: 发信人: mccoy (强老), 信区: Military
: 标 题: Re: Travyvon案件的事实其实已经比较清楚了
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 27 16:40:18 2012, 美东)
: Even if all true, it still sounds like a bait-and-kill. Zimmerman already
: called 911, and police is coming. And he still still managed to get one
: killed, I have to suspect he intended that.
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s***n
发帖数: 1280 | 147 同意。这种情况下可能的情形是小黑发现被跟踪后，找机会躲了起来以便观察和确定跟
踪者。当确定是被跟踪后(比如跟踪者在找不到他后就折转回头），他回过头来攻击。
这其实是很make sense的一种情形。
【在 c******k 的大作中提到】
: 他后面又说把人跟丢了，按这种说法，也就是他当时也不会在小黑的视野里。小黑突然
: 回身去找一个已经不再视野里的“跟踪者”？有可能，但按常理不会。
: ------------------
: 你这个argument很弱啊。你看不见别人不等于别人看不见你啊
:
: volunteer
: climbed
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 148 zimmerman doesn't say he is smoking pot at that day. where did you get that
zimmerman says he is smoking pot?
meal
【在 m***y 的大作中提到】
: Zimmerman said so. I don't have any evidence against that.
: Oh, come on, you don't the teenagers nowadays? Even if it's Obama, if he
: said he needs to go for a Iced tea from the convenience store after the meal
: , I'd suspect he is going out for a smoke. And I would sincerely wish it's
: ONLY marijuana, because it could be much much worse.
: Don't forget this dude was just suspended from school for having an empty
: marijuana bag. And I don't think he could quit so fast as Obama could.
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D*******o
发帖数: 3229 | 149 I believe this was a prompt event. The situation was that Obama's son was
sitting on top of Zimmerman and beating him. Let it last for a few more
minutes, there may be a different story: a Latino watchdog was killed by an
unknown teenager.
发信人: mccoy (强老), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: Travyvon案件的事实其实已经比较清楚了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 27 17:02:46 2012, 美东)
The kid was just picking an iced tea from the convenience store and Skittles
for his step-mother soon to be. OK, according to Zimmerman, he was probably
high on drug.
Sure, I think he was a trouble-maker, but a killer? Oh, yeah, he already set
up his mind before heading out, and he was gonna behead the watchman
captain before the ice cubes completely melt :) |
M***r
发帖数: 98 | 150 糊涂。
Skittles
probably
set
【在 m***y 的大作中提到】
: The kid was just picking an iced tea from the convenience store and Skittles
: for his step-mother soon to be. OK, according to Zimmerman, he was probably
: high on drug.
: Sure, I think he was a trouble-maker, but a killer? Oh, yeah, he already set
: up his mind before heading out, and he was gonna behead the watchman
: captain before the ice cubes completely melt :)
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J******3
发帖数: 697 | |
c******k
发帖数: 8998 | 152 After making the rounds on the morning show circuit, George Zimmerman's
lawyer, Craig Sonner, was supposed to appear on Lawrence O'Donnell's
primetime show on Monday night. But according to MSNBC, Sonner walked out of
a remote Orlando studio shortly before the segment, leaving O'Donnell in
the lurch.
After a rant about the cancellation ("He wasn't going to get out of here
with an easy interview!") O'Donnell went ahead with his list of interview
questions for Sonner anyway.
"Who is paying you?" a heated O'Donnell asked the empty chair. "Did you
represent [Zimmerman] when he was arrested for assault on a police officer
in 2005? Were you his lawyer then? Did you represent him in the domestic
violence case in 2007?"
【在 J******3 的大作中提到】
: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/george-zimmerman-lawyer-abr
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r**m
发帖数: 2823 | |
p******u
发帖数: 14642 | 154 米帝种族问题比土鳖民族问题严重多了
volunteer
climbed
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Almost certain self defense.
: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/os-trayvon-martin
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer
: who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed
: on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several
: times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the
: Orlando Sentinel.
: That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been
: corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.
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p******u
发帖数: 14642 | 155 是的，如果给揍的时候身上带了枪的话，不是你射他说不定就给他搜到你的枪射你了
【在 m*b 的大作中提到】
:
: 这一秒是bloody nose，下一秒估计就没命了
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i***o
发帖数: 750 | 156 所以scary这位就是脑子坏掉了。simpson案，全国瞩目，最后也没办法。naive的
scary
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 你马,康金红在oakland街头因为$17被老黑暴头,怎么不见你scary?
:
: ,
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l****g
发帖数: 5080 | 157 这个版上的种族主义还是很严重的，可能是平时受到的怨气太多？
我是EE，我以前的黑人同事都很好，不过他们都是工程师，想来都是黑人中的精英。基
本都是礼貌，幽默，我对他们的印象比奥巴马还好不少，因为从来没听他们讲过大话，
假话。我碰到的黑人太少，偶尔碰上那些看起来像痞子的黑人都是出差时碰到的。家里
附近的黑人也很少，觉得他们和别的族裔也没什么区别。
我的看法是人的品质和生活环境密切相关，即便是中国人，那些地痞流氓我还是能躲则
躲的，那些人基本对他人甚至自己的性命漠视，很容易就可以把刀相向，砍个个把人根
本不在乎。黑人里，墨西哥族裔，越南族，华裔，白人里都有这样的人，当然由于族裔
经济地位的差异，有些族裔里这种人的比例高些，但个人认为，那些不是肤色造成的差
别，而是经济条件，成长环境造成的差别。
of
【在 g*********r 的大作中提到】
: 黑人就是犯罪种族
: 但是这里这个傻X劳模就是个trouble maker,神经病
: 这里的陈述很多不合情理，比如这么一个aggressive的家伙，说一转眼lost sight of
: trayvon,就走回自己的车子，这个肯定是胡扯
: 反正现在他把黑鬼打死了，全由着他来编了
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l**w
发帖数: 865 | 158 Police did blood test after the shot. No drugs.
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 白人吸大麻的也多得是。
: 这个案子和大麻一点关系都没有。
:
: marijuana.
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p****n
发帖数: 9263 | 159 trayvon was suspended from school due to possible drug trafficking, not drug
abuse...
【在 l**w 的大作中提到】
: Police did blood test after the shot. No drugs.
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i****d
发帖数: 724 | 160 hydralistor，你还在学校里吧？不要太偏激了，没意思，要看事实，左派媒体根本不
可信，也不要被校园里的自由化倾向给忽悠了。
还有你要知道一点：左派，自由派 =/= anti-racial。清醒点。在异乡，也就是中国人
还能帮帮中国人。
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: yourtt,我知道你这个id也不是几天了。
: 如果现在还是在60年代，你肯定会是那些3k党里的先锋，如果能把几个黑人吊死，杀死
: ，烧死，肯定是你的最大快乐。
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m********1
发帖数: 177 | 161 没有种族主义的中国朋友，建议你们以后买房买到黑人区，看看你们的小孩子被揍成什
么样子。这种事情在纽约屡见不鲜。
没有种族主义的中国朋友，想想你们自己建了trayvon一样的黑人青年是不是会很放心
的走近。是不是在黑人青年开始挑衅的时候还想理论。
我周围也有不少成功的令人尊敬的黑人同事，不过黑人青年人里渣滓太多。希望你们不
要让自己的理想主义思想松懈了自我保护的警惕。 |
m********1
发帖数: 177 | 162 我将永远不会靠近黑人青年。他们可能在没有任何征兆的情况下袭击别人。这是他们寻
找快乐的方法。
【在 r***n 的大作中提到】
: 你应该买把枪。下次有人揍你时，打死他。
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t*****l
发帖数: 241 | 163 这些暴力行为并不因为他们肤色黑，而是黑人由于历史原因造成的教育缺失；黑人区犯
罪多是事实，这有一定的历史原因，需要时间去改变。你不应该去反对黑人，而是反对
暴力分子。就像唐人街普遍脏乱，如果美国人把中国人都打上脏乱差的标签，你怎么看？
【在 m********1 的大作中提到】
: 没有种族主义的中国朋友，建议你们以后买房买到黑人区，看看你们的小孩子被揍成什
: 么样子。这种事情在纽约屡见不鲜。
: 没有种族主义的中国朋友，想想你们自己建了trayvon一样的黑人青年是不是会很放心
: 的走近。是不是在黑人青年开始挑衅的时候还想理论。
: 我周围也有不少成功的令人尊敬的黑人同事，不过黑人青年人里渣滓太多。希望你们不
: 要让自己的理想主义思想松懈了自我保护的警惕。
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s******o
发帖数: 656 | 164 你新来的吧，来美国几年了啊，你看看全世界黑人多的地方有几个是好的？是种的问题
不是教育的问题。中国偷渡来的教育程度也不高，咋就没有黑人这些傻逼操行呢，后代
也没这操行。
美国人本来就已经给中国人打上脏乱差的标签了，你做的再好人家总是会给你打个标签
。全世界种族都是自己向着自己人的，唯有中国人里边很大一部分人老是替别的种族着
想。你这种自省的心态在中国人种内值得表扬，用到种族之间就是傻逼了。
你不歧视别人别人就不歧视你了？too simple naive!这里本来就是互相歧视的。黑人
做了几百年奴隶和平权斗争几十年总结出来的生存智慧就是团结，但不是团结你中国人
的。种间就是互相利用而已
看？
【在 t*****l 的大作中提到】
: 这些暴力行为并不因为他们肤色黑，而是黑人由于历史原因造成的教育缺失；黑人区犯
: 罪多是事实，这有一定的历史原因，需要时间去改变。你不应该去反对黑人，而是反对
: 暴力分子。就像唐人街普遍脏乱，如果美国人把中国人都打上脏乱差的标签，你怎么看？
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s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 165 that is what you THINK about Travyvon. Zimmerman has formal statement and
has injury on his back head. Can you put what you THINK into evidence?
Skittles
probably
set
【在 m***y 的大作中提到】
: The kid was just picking an iced tea from the convenience store and Skittles
: for his step-mother soon to be. OK, according to Zimmerman, he was probably
: high on drug.
: Sure, I think he was a trouble-maker, but a killer? Oh, yeah, he already set
: up his mind before heading out, and he was gonna behead the watchman
: captain before the ice cubes completely melt :)
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s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 166 if what Zimmerman said was true, he would be dead when police arrived after
3 minutes.
.
bag
Zimmerman
each
【在 m***y 的大作中提到】
: Zimmerman said so. I don't have any evidence against that.
: Oh, come on, you don't the teenagers nowadays? Even if it's Obama, if he
: said he needs to go for a Iced tea from the convenience store after the meal
: , I'd suspect he is going out for a smoke. And I would sincerely wish it's
: ONLY marijuana, because it could be much much worse.
: Don't forget this dude was just suspended from school for having an empty
: marijuana bag. And I don't think he could quit so fast as Obama could.
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b********r
发帖数: 1080 | 167 因果倒置了。黑人是因为自身的原因造成了他们教育缺失，犯罪多的历史。
看？
【在 t*****l 的大作中提到】
: 这些暴力行为并不因为他们肤色黑，而是黑人由于历史原因造成的教育缺失；黑人区犯
: 罪多是事实，这有一定的历史原因，需要时间去改变。你不应该去反对黑人，而是反对
: 暴力分子。就像唐人街普遍脏乱，如果美国人把中国人都打上脏乱差的标签，你怎么看？
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 168
只怪黑人当初留在非洲没出走，被白人还乡团当奴隶发现时还只进化到部落时代，肌肉
发达，雄性激素高，脑容量平均值偏小。
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: 因果倒置了。黑人是因为自身的原因造成了他们教育缺失，犯罪多的历史。
:
: 看？
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p****n
发帖数: 9263 | 169 音乐跟语言的天赋还是很高的
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
:
: 只怪黑人当初留在非洲没出走，被白人还乡团当奴隶发现时还只进化到部落时代，肌肉
: 发达，雄性激素高，脑容量平均值偏小。
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