l********g
发帖数: 6760 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Collectibles 讨论区 】
发信人: rcam (八戒悟空), 信区: Collectibles
标 题: 中国高仿表进军国际市场
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jul 16 17:30:29 2012, 美东)
【环球网报道记者李亮】瑞士制表业以其顶级技艺在全球称雄近百年，但近些年却受到
了来自中国的“威胁”。瑞士资讯网7月5日报道，近日，瑞士钟表联盟首次获取了一批
工艺极其精巧繁复的从中国向瑞士走私的盗版手表，并为其以假乱真的技艺到吃惊。报
道称，这些与真品售价相近的假表为瑞士钟表业带来巨大经济损失，也损坏了瑞士钟表
的市场形象。
报道称，只有靠得非常非常近，甚至是用显微镜，才能发现这些假表存在的破绽，
比如表背有一条螺丝缝，或者表壳上的碳原料被换成塑料材料，或者表盘的玻璃上无偏
光功能等。但除了这些微小细节，就连钟表专家都很难一眼看出它们是假的。一支去年
12月在瑞士海关没收宇舶宝“Big Bang”法拉利腕表，就完全能与正版鱼目混珠。无论
是外观、重量、甚至味道——真表带有香草味——都出奇的相似，而最夸张的是表的核
心。
“这是我第一次将一块仿制的陀飞轮手表拿在手里，这是一个高精确度极高的机械
构造。仿制者现在已掌握了格外复杂的钟表技艺。”瑞士钟表协会打假部门负责人米歇
尔·阿诺(Michel Arnoux)说。
而世界最大钟表中心斯沃琪对于中国假表市场的迅猛发展和进军尖端领域的趋势感
到担忧。与那些在亚洲和拉美市场上卖几十瑞郎的假劳力士表不同，这些中国假宇舶腕
表可以蒙蔽顾客的眼睛卖出几千瑞郎的高价，使该品牌公司遭受巨大亏损。
“盗版手表每年为钟表行业带来的损失上十亿。”斯沃琪集团老板尼克·海耶克(
Nick Hayek)说，“最大的问题是，这些假冒产品越来越专业化。如果消费者不再在意
正品和赝品的区别，那么信任就失去了。这是对瑞士品牌的一记重击。”阿诺说。他还
称，广东省是假表出产中心，那里每天都有警察出没搜查，“但效果却不大，因为一切
都是分开进行的，各角色之间相互没有经济关联，手表的主要部件有时在合法的正规企
业中生产，然后在隐秘的手工作坊中安装”。
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/Swiss_crack_down_on_fake_w
For the first time, fake Swiss watches of real technical sophistication are
coming out of China. Sometimes sold at the same price as the originals, they
result in lost earnings and harm the brand image of Swiss watchmaking.
If you look at it very, very closely, you can detect a few irregularities: a
screw slot with a microscopic fault in it, a piece of the carbon casing
replaced by plastic, or the absence of anti-glare glass.
But apart from these details, which even experts have trouble detecting at a
glance, the fake Hublot Big Bang seized last December by Swiss customs is
hard to tell apart from the original.
The look, the weight, even the smell - because like its model, the fake’s
wristband was scented with vanilla - are deceptive. But the most telling
factor resides in the core of the watch.
“That was one of the first times I’ve held in my hand a fake tourbillon
watch, a real high-precision mechanism. The counterfeiters have now mastered
ultra-complex movements,” says Michel Arnoux, head of the anti-
counterfeiting unit of the Federation of the Swiss Watch Industry, at his
office in Biel.
At the foot of the Jura, in this industrial city of 50,000 inhabitants where
Swatch Group, the world’s largest watchmaking concern, has its
headquarters, the investigators study - and worry about - the evolution of
the Chinese counterfeit market, which is now hitting the high-precision
watchmaking sector hard.
Money from online betting
In contrast to the Rolex sold for less than SFr100 ($104) on Asian and South
American markets, these fake watches sold at several thousand francs apiece
often to unwitting consumers - considerable forgone earnings for the brands
involved.
Industry executives willing to go on the record about this highly touchy
subject do not make light of their concerns.
“Counterfeiting costs the watchmaking industry billions each year,” Nick
Hayek, head of Swatch Group, recently told the 20 Minuten newspaper. “The
worst thing about it is that these copies are being made more and more
professionally.”
The counterfeiters’ interest is certainly aroused by the current boom in
luxury watches, but not only that.
“Following the crisis in the watch industry in 2008-2009, Chinese makers of
highly complicated movements had to drop their prices to get rid of their
stocks,” explains Michel Arnoux. “At the same time, the Chinese triads
were looking for new outlets to invest the colossal sums they garnered from
online sports betting.”
Second-hand products
While a direct link between organised crime and counterfeit watchmaking is
hard to establish, it is clear to Swiss investigators that the two are
associated.
“The counterfeiters are well organised and sometimes know the market better
than the brand-name firms. They choose watches which sell best in the
countries concerned, and quickly adjust to demand,” says Arnaux.
To distribute their products, the counterfeiters now mainly use internet buy
-and-sell platforms like e-Bay. “When the crisis hit, many financial
traders in New York or London sold off their watches on the Internet. The
counterfeiters were able to jump into the breach, pretending that they were
selling goods second-hand,” adds Arnoux.
Loss of trust
While no one admits it openly, there are whispers in Swiss watchmaking
circles that the “inflated” prices of some brands and the policy of
restrictive supply may have encouraged counterfeiting.
Also, by drastically reducing their sales network on the traditional markets
, the Swiss brands have forced hundreds of jewellers to source supplies at
second-hand. “This parallel market, which is perfectly legal in the EU and
the USA, has been a real magnet for the counterfeiters,” Arnoux notes.
The charismatic CEO of Hublot, Jean-Claude Biver, has talked several times
in recent years about the pride he felt when his watches were copied for the
first time, proving the international status acquired by his brand. But now
such talk is rarely heard.
For the harm done goes beyond just direct economic losses, as Arnoux points
out: “If the consumer can no longer tell the difference between the real
watch and a fake, he loses trust. This is a considerable blow to the brand
image of Swiss watchmaking.”
Taking action on the ground
To curb the counterfeit phenomenon, the industry federation now has a team
of 40 to 50 Chinese inspectors in the field. “Our strategy involves
mounting a lot of operations so as to keep those producers under constant
pressure.” These joint operations with the police are a daily occurrence in
the province of Guangdong, which is the epicentre of counterfeit
watchmaking.
The results can be “pretty slight”, admits Arnoux. “Everything is spread
out - there is no official economic link between the different players.
Sometimes the components have been manufactured in a completely legal way by
bona fide companies, then assembled and engraved in secret workshops.”
While smaller fry regularly get caught in the net, as in an operation in
March that yielded a haul of 280,000 prefinished items in a secret workshop,
it is much more difficult to find the trail leading to the brains behind
the organisation. Involved in all kinds of other criminal activities, they
may in fact enjoy the protection of the authorities.
Swiss watchmakers are hoping that their concerns will be passed on by
Economics Minister Johann Schneider-Ammann when he goes to China on a trade
mission from July 8 to 15.
“Matters of intellectual property are right at the top of the memorandum we
addressed to Mr Schneider-Ammann,” says Arnoux.
Samuel Jaberg, swissinfo.ch
(Translated from French by Terence MacNamee) |
S****e
发帖数: 10596 | 2 什么东西能被copy就不是牛逼的东西
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Collectibles 讨论区 】
: 发信人: rcam (八戒悟空), 信区: Collectibles
: 标 题: 中国高仿表进军国际市场
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jul 16 17:30:29 2012, 美东)
: 【环球网报道记者李亮】瑞士制表业以其顶级技艺在全球称雄近百年，但近些年却受到
: 了来自中国的“威胁”。瑞士资讯网7月5日报道，近日，瑞士钟表联盟首次获取了一批
: 工艺极其精巧繁复的从中国向瑞士走私的盗版手表，并为其以假乱真的技艺到吃惊。报
: 道称，这些与真品售价相近的假表为瑞士钟表业带来巨大经济损失，也损坏了瑞士钟表
: 的市场形象。
: 报道称，只有靠得非常非常近，甚至是用显微镜，才能发现这些假表存在的破绽，
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g********x
发帖数: 7361 | 3 瑞士表是奢侈品，卖的是牌子而不是高科技，被仿制是必然的 |
p******u
发帖数: 14642 | 4 哎，夕阳了N年的产业
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Collectibles 讨论区 】
: 发信人: rcam (八戒悟空), 信区: Collectibles
: 标 题: 中国高仿表进军国际市场
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jul 16 17:30:29 2012, 美东)
: 【环球网报道记者李亮】瑞士制表业以其顶级技艺在全球称雄近百年，但近些年却受到
: 了来自中国的“威胁”。瑞士资讯网7月5日报道，近日，瑞士钟表联盟首次获取了一批
: 工艺极其精巧繁复的从中国向瑞士走私的盗版手表，并为其以假乱真的技艺到吃惊。报
: 道称，这些与真品售价相近的假表为瑞士钟表业带来巨大经济损失，也损坏了瑞士钟表
: 的市场形象。
: 报道称，只有靠得非常非常近，甚至是用显微镜，才能发现这些假表存在的破绽，
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l********g
发帖数: 6760 | 5 有一点搞不懂：
既然有本事做山寨高仿，为什么不创立自己的品牌呢？
你只要价格卖得低，质量又好，总能逐渐被市场接受吧。 |
w*********g
发帖数: 30882 | 6 夕阳了，夕阳了
3楼说得对，真正的高科技仿造不出来，能原样仿造出来的不是高科技。 |
p******u
发帖数: 14642 | 7 中华陀飞轮卖贼拉拉贵啊
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: 有一点搞不懂：
: 既然有本事做山寨高仿，为什么不创立自己的品牌呢？
: 你只要价格卖得低，质量又好，总能逐渐被市场接受吧。
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p******u
发帖数: 14642 | 8 网页做得垃圾，凑合看吧
北京手表
http://www.bjwaf.com/
海鸥的陀飞轮
http://www.seagullwatch.com/product.asp?id=75
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: 有一点搞不懂：
: 既然有本事做山寨高仿，为什么不创立自己的品牌呢？
: 你只要价格卖得低，质量又好，总能逐渐被市场接受吧。
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k****y
发帖数: 4083 | |
l******t
发帖数: 55733 | |
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C**o
发帖数: 10373 | 11 你又high了
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: 又被我共夕阳化了。太邪恶了
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O*******d
发帖数: 20343 | 12 做高仿表也需要很多技术。 你花了很多功夫，做出一个无牌表，不合算。
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: 有一点搞不懂：
: 既然有本事做山寨高仿，为什么不创立自己的品牌呢？
: 你只要价格卖得低，质量又好，总能逐渐被市场接受吧。
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x****u
发帖数: 44466 | 13 外形像就可以了，里面可以搞个5块的电子表芯。
【在 O*******d 的大作中提到】
: 做高仿表也需要很多技术。 你花了很多功夫，做出一个无牌表，不合算。
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p******u
发帖数: 14642 | 14 您老又给刺激了？
【在 C**o 的大作中提到】
: 你又high了
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O*******d
发帖数: 20343 | 15 我绝对不买无石英的机械表。 摆轮表，不管做得多么精致，精确度都赶不上普通石英
表。 |
O*******d
发帖数: 20343 | 16 高仿表是机械的。 里边需要齿轮。
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
: 外形像就可以了，里面可以搞个5块的电子表芯。
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p******u
发帖数: 14642 | 17 陀飞轮是裸露出来show个人看的，这个真山寨不了
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
: 外形像就可以了，里面可以搞个5块的电子表芯。
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x****u
发帖数: 44466 | 18 没意思，直接配重就可以了。反正秀表的时候又不能拆开给人家看吧。
【在 O*******d 的大作中提到】
: 高仿表是机械的。 里边需要齿轮。
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s*****e
发帖数: 16824 | 19 这就跟lv一样，吹上大天去，也就是个包，搞不好还没帆布书包耐用，但是买的人都不
是拿来用的，是拿来装13的。
【在 O*******d 的大作中提到】
: 我绝对不买无石英的机械表。 摆轮表，不管做得多么精致，精确度都赶不上普通石英
: 表。
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x****u
发帖数: 44466 | 20 买菜妇女都人手一个的东西，怎么装啊。
【在 s*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这就跟lv一样，吹上大天去，也就是个包，搞不好还没帆布书包耐用，但是买的人都不
: 是拿来用的，是拿来装13的。
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f******k
发帖数: 5329 | 21 靠，斯沃琪2,3十刀一块的高中生手表，还好意思出来"表示忧虑＂ |
C**o
发帖数: 10373 | 22 你悲愤也没有用
石英
【在 s*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这就跟lv一样，吹上大天去，也就是个包，搞不好还没帆布书包耐用，但是买的人都不
: 是拿来用的，是拿来装13的。
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x****u
发帖数: 44466 | 23 你先本格交
【在 C**o 的大作中提到】
: 你悲愤也没有用
:
: 石英
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w***u
发帖数: 17713 | 24 日本老早就山寨了，比瑞士还牛。可惜奢侈品最容易骗的是亚洲人，我们东亚人又信欧
洲人忽悠。 |
l*****e
发帖数: 82 | 25 WUS 论坛在组织团购海鸥的陀飞轮，大约$800一只
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f461/2012-wus-chinese-tourbillon-p
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: 有一点搞不懂：
: 既然有本事做山寨高仿，为什么不创立自己的品牌呢？
: 你只要价格卖得低，质量又好，总能逐渐被市场接受吧。
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e******e
发帖数: 3472 | 26 陀飞轮不就相当于飞机的发动机吗？原来瑞士只会刷漆 |
d*****l
发帖数: 8441 | 27 那需要时间。
为高精度制造而投入的高成本等不起那么久。
所以初期还是造假回笼资金更快。等第一桶金到手就可以开始洗白了。
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: 有一点搞不懂：
: 既然有本事做山寨高仿，为什么不创立自己的品牌呢？
: 你只要价格卖得低，质量又好，总能逐渐被市场接受吧。
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