x******g 发帖数: 33885 | 1 outsourcing 看来开始out了.
比如说通用汽车公司吧,要从90%的outsourcing 变成90%的insourcing,也就是说,
所有的IT活都要在自己公司里干了。
相对于来自阿三的竞争来说,这个新的潮流对中国的技术猥琐男有好处吗?
Today, about 90% of GM's IT services, from running data centers to writing
applications, are provided by outsourcing companies such as HP/EDS, IBM,
Capgemini, and Wipro, and only 10% are done by GM employees. Mott plans to
flip those percentages in about three years--to 90% GM staff, 10%
outsourcers.
Insourcing IT on that scale will require GM to go on a hiring binge for
software developers, project managers, database experts, business analysts,
and other IT pros over the next three years. As part of that effort, it
plans to create three new software development centers, all of them in the U
.S. IT outsourcers, including GM's one-time captive provider, EDS, face the
loss of contracts once valued at up to $3 billion a year.
This dramatic move away from outsourcing is just one piece of the "IT
transformation" Mott is leading, which includes consolidating data centers
and applications, centralizing IT planning and execution, and getting a
better grip on GM's customer and production data. GM's IT transformation
doesn't emphasize budget cuts but instead centers on delivering more value
from IT, much faster. In many ways, the foundation Mott is laying is similar
to the one Ford started laying four or five years ago as part of its One
Ford/One IT initiative. |
p*********t 发帖数: 2690 | 2 真的?那iphone价格要涨了。
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : outsourcing 看来开始out了. : 比如说通用汽车公司吧,要从90%的outsourcing 变成90%的insourcing,也就是说, : 所有的IT活都要在自己公司里干了。 : 相对于来自阿三的竞争来说,这个新的潮流对中国的技术猥琐男有好处吗? : Today, about 90% of GM's IT services, from running data centers to writing : applications, are provided by outsourcing companies such as HP/EDS, IBM, : Capgemini, and Wipro, and only 10% are done by GM employees. Mott plans to : flip those percentages in about three years--to 90% GM staff, 10% : outsourcers. : Insourcing IT on that scale will require GM to go on a hiring binge for
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x******g 发帖数: 33885 | 4 不是钱或成本的问题,是效率的问题。
【在 x****o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 怎么可能,资本主义,成本说话
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s******8 发帖数: 7105 | 5
中国印度苏联人工成本上来了,而且Outsourcing质量一般要比本土差,多数情况下要
投入更多劳动力了才能达到同样效果,加上交流上出的差错,成本并不低。
【在 x****o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 怎么可能,资本主义,成本说话
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p******u 发帖数: 14642 | 6 一个车企的挨踢部门能烧几个钱?挨踢的外包内包根本不是影响gm销售量的最终因素,
对盈利的贡献也可想而知
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : outsourcing 看来开始out了. : 比如说通用汽车公司吧,要从90%的outsourcing 变成90%的insourcing,也就是说, : 所有的IT活都要在自己公司里干了。 : 相对于来自阿三的竞争来说,这个新的潮流对中国的技术猥琐男有好处吗? : Today, about 90% of GM's IT services, from running data centers to writing : applications, are provided by outsourcing companies such as HP/EDS, IBM, : Capgemini, and Wipro, and only 10% are done by GM employees. Mott plans to : flip those percentages in about three years--to 90% GM staff, 10% : outsourcers. : Insourcing IT on that scale will require GM to go on a hiring binge for
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N*******r 发帖数: 935 | 7 这个好像是真的。 我听说另一美国大公司(不说名字了)在insourcing,
结果是大招特招,把某一地区弄的其他公司招不到IT的了。
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : outsourcing 看来开始out了. : 比如说通用汽车公司吧,要从90%的outsourcing 变成90%的insourcing,也就是说, : 所有的IT活都要在自己公司里干了。 : 相对于来自阿三的竞争来说,这个新的潮流对中国的技术猥琐男有好处吗? : Today, about 90% of GM's IT services, from running data centers to writing : applications, are provided by outsourcing companies such as HP/EDS, IBM, : Capgemini, and Wipro, and only 10% are done by GM employees. Mott plans to : flip those percentages in about three years--to 90% GM staff, 10% : outsourcers. : Insourcing IT on that scale will require GM to go on a hiring binge for
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O*******d 发帖数: 20343 | 8 阿三的效率太低了。 一个人可以完成的活,他们要三个人才能完成,还大大延期。 |
w**s 发帖数: 1911 | 9 outsourcing == money laundry |
s******s 发帖数: 13035 | 10 说的好听,印度人工贵了呗。
印度码工说起来便宜,实际上三五个干活效率也抵不上一个老美,净想着偷懒。
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : outsourcing 看来开始out了. : 比如说通用汽车公司吧,要从90%的outsourcing 变成90%的insourcing,也就是说, : 所有的IT活都要在自己公司里干了。 : 相对于来自阿三的竞争来说,这个新的潮流对中国的技术猥琐男有好处吗? : Today, about 90% of GM's IT services, from running data centers to writing : applications, are provided by outsourcing companies such as HP/EDS, IBM, : Capgemini, and Wipro, and only 10% are done by GM employees. Mott plans to : flip those percentages in about three years--to 90% GM staff, 10% : outsourcers. : Insourcing IT on that scale will require GM to go on a hiring binge for
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s*****n 发帖数: 5488 | 11 车载计算是下一个利润增长点。不是内部写写管理软件的简单问题
【在 p******u 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 一个车企的挨踢部门能烧几个钱?挨踢的外包内包根本不是影响gm销售量的最终因素, : 对盈利的贡献也可想而知
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s*********e 发帖数: 4475 | 12 这些话在理。 看那些人天天在叫当工程师没有前途的, 根本不了解
好的工程师在哪里都是稀缺资源。
外包一点都不省钱。
【在 s******8 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 中国印度苏联人工成本上来了,而且Outsourcing质量一般要比本土差,多数情况下要 : 投入更多劳动力了才能达到同样效果,加上交流上出的差错,成本并不低。
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y****i 发帖数: 72 | 13 我们公司就是这样啊。被阿三公司忽悠了几年,终于明白了,阿三的效率大概只有本地
的1/5,但工钱是1/3。 |
s***q 发帖数: 10585 | 14 只要能忽悠,就正好反过来:本来能解决一个阿三就业,现在能解决三个阿三就业
这三个阿三拿绿卡,挤占老中生存空间,
以后格雷丝.高会越来越多。
【在 O*******d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 阿三的效率太低了。 一个人可以完成的活,他们要三个人才能完成,还大大延期。
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M********g 发帖数: 793 | 15 这个基本可以歇菜。撇开成本问题不谈,资源是个大问题,在美国根本没那么多人写程
序。其结果就是最后不得不把阿三从印度招过来付高工资,那不是吃饱撑的。这个问题
跟美国叫嚣着要把制造业搬回来一样,基本不可能了。 |
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d*****s 发帖数: 5610 | 17 印度人每年占H1B 50%以上,就是很多印度人拿了印度本科学位直接过来的,早就吃饱
撑了,今后会吃的更多。
【在 M********g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个基本可以歇菜。撇开成本问题不谈,资源是个大问题,在美国根本没那么多人写程 : 序。其结果就是最后不得不把阿三从印度招过来付高工资,那不是吃饱撑的。这个问题 : 跟美国叫嚣着要把制造业搬回来一样,基本不可能了。
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M********g 发帖数: 793 | 18 嗯,所以说当下就已经供不应求了。这要是都in-source估计最后就变成import,而且
h1b得搞成九十年代的18万5才行。
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 印度人每年占H1B 50%以上,就是很多印度人拿了印度本科学位直接过来的,早就吃饱 : 撑了,今后会吃的更多。
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g***y 发帖数: 166 | 19 outsource的吊儿郎当。现在倒是被送到美国做短期project的越来越多了 |
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T******g 发帖数: 21328 | 21 玩玩泉泉是这样的,呵呵
【在 y****i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我们公司就是这样啊。被阿三公司忽悠了几年,终于明白了,阿三的效率大概只有本地 : 的1/5,但工钱是1/3。
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st 发帖数: 1685 | 22 我们公司在这边不怎么找人,在波兰要招几十个... |
y*h 发帖数: 25423 | 23
东欧人的数学基础很好,个人感觉比阿三靠谱。
【在 st 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我们公司在这边不怎么找人,在波兰要招几十个...
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st 发帖数: 1685 | 24 确实不错,俄国人也还可以,波兰工资目前也没有涨,据说相当于美国这边员工的1/3
【在 y*h 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 东欧人的数学基础很好,个人感觉比阿三靠谱。
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z***s 发帖数: 3241 | 25 标题可能断章取义了。
strategic shifts like Mott's are rare. Only 4% of the 513 business
technology pros we surveyed in our 2011 State of IT Outsourcing Survey said
their companies plan to decrease their use of IT outsourcing. Seventeen
percent were weighing their options, and the remaining 79% were maintaining
or increasing their outsourcing.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/global-cio/interviews/24000
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : outsourcing 看来开始out了. : 比如说通用汽车公司吧,要从90%的outsourcing 变成90%的insourcing,也就是说, : 所有的IT活都要在自己公司里干了。 : 相对于来自阿三的竞争来说,这个新的潮流对中国的技术猥琐男有好处吗? : Today, about 90% of GM's IT services, from running data centers to writing : applications, are provided by outsourcing companies such as HP/EDS, IBM, : Capgemini, and Wipro, and only 10% are done by GM employees. Mott plans to : flip those percentages in about three years--to 90% GM staff, 10% : outsourcers. : Insourcing IT on that scale will require GM to go on a hiring binge for
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p*********t 发帖数: 2690 | 26 这叫teamwork,strategy.白人买这一套。没办法。老中心眼太实。其实老美需要会忽悠
的印度人,光干活不看路是不行的。
【在 O*******d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 阿三的效率太低了。 一个人可以完成的活,他们要三个人才能完成,还大大延期。
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L******t 发帖数: 1985 | 27 Meaning a higher influx of Indian engineers.
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : outsourcing 看来开始out了. : 比如说通用汽车公司吧,要从90%的outsourcing 变成90%的insourcing,也就是说, : 所有的IT活都要在自己公司里干了。 : 相对于来自阿三的竞争来说,这个新的潮流对中国的技术猥琐男有好处吗? : Today, about 90% of GM's IT services, from running data centers to writing : applications, are provided by outsourcing companies such as HP/EDS, IBM, : Capgemini, and Wipro, and only 10% are done by GM employees. Mott plans to : flip those percentages in about three years--to 90% GM staff, 10% : outsourcers. : Insourcing IT on that scale will require GM to go on a hiring binge for
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