T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 1 从来没查出来用过药，竟然靠十几个证人的口述就给搞成这样，明显得罪了什么大佬。 |
N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 2 他自己都怂了，显然心里有鬼
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: 从来没查出来用过药，竟然靠十几个证人的口述就给搞成这样，明显得罪了什么大佬。
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 3
MJ当初也是庭外和解，结果坐实了child abuse的印象，后来到底怎么回事谁也说不清
楚。
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 他自己都怂了，显然心里有鬼
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M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 4 打官司很花钱的，
盘算下来，可能不划算。
这样的官司即使认了，也不用坐牢。
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 他自己都怂了，显然心里有鬼
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y*h
发帖数: 25423 | 5 看来美国人也很善于窝里斗啊。这事要搁在韩国绝对不会发生。 |
h******1
发帖数: 16295 | |
d******r
发帖数: 16947 | 7 我老早就怀疑他用药，一个曾经的癌症患者能连夺7次
环法自行车赛冠军，别人健康的都不如他。不过药
用的太好了，一直没查出来。。。
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: 从来没查出来用过药，竟然靠十几个证人的口述就给搞成这样，明显得罪了什么大佬。
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y*h
发帖数: 25423 | 8
其实运动员都普遍用药，只是多数没被查出来而已
【在 d******r 的大作中提到】
: 我老早就怀疑他用药，一个曾经的癌症患者能连夺7次
: 环法自行车赛冠军，别人健康的都不如他。不过药
: 用的太好了，一直没查出来。。。
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s**********l
发帖数: 8966 | 9 不是查不出来，就是EPO而已，搞自行车的不doping根本没戏。
这也是为啥中国人自行车不行的原因。
【在 d******r 的大作中提到】
: 我老早就怀疑他用药，一个曾经的癌症患者能连夺7次
: 环法自行车赛冠军，别人健康的都不如他。不过药
: 用的太好了，一直没查出来。。。
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 10
他这7个冠军一取消，环法是不是近十五年就没剩下冠军了？
【在 d******r 的大作中提到】
: 我老早就怀疑他用药，一个曾经的癌症患者能连夺7次
: 环法自行车赛冠军，别人健康的都不如他。不过药
: 用的太好了，一直没查出来。。。
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Q*****n
发帖数: 4546 | 11 这个运动干脆别玩了，想起奥运会被黑掉的金牌就来气
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
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: 他这7个冠军一取消，环法是不是近十五年就没剩下冠军了？
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B*********a
发帖数: 6244 | |
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 13 And Now He Is Nothing
Posted by Michael Specter
I moved from Moscow to Rome with my family and two bicycles in 1998, and
spent a lot of that year—and the next—obsessed, I am sorry to admit, with
the bicycles. Italy, after all, was a place where thousands of middle-aged
men felt perfectly comfortable spending many hours a week in brightly
colored spandex. I rode most days, (often, idiotically enough, on the
highways that ringed the city) and by the next summer, when I wasn’t on my
bike I was often parked in front of the television, mesmerized by a man who
hardly seemed human.
Lance Armstrong—could a Hollywood screenwriter come up with a better name
for an American hero?—had returned that year to the world’s most gruelling
test of endurance, the Tour de France. He had spent the previous two years
being treated for testicular cancer—which, at the time, was more often than
not a death sentence. The chemotherapy Armstrong received was so powerful
and so toxic that he suffered burns on his arms from the inside. How could
somebody even ride a bicycle after that, let alone win a race that lasted a
month, scaled the highest peaks in Europe, and covered more than two
thousand miles?
But he not only rode—he won. Again and again and again. Each victory
seemingly more thrilling than the last. Seven Tours in all; a feat unmatched
in sports. Cycling had long been tainted by the abuse of performance-
enhancing drugs, and Armstrong’s achievement was so astounding that many
people simply assumed he relied on them just as others had. The French were
the loudest and most persistent critics (reason alone, in my book, to feel
for the man). But others wondered, too. As I wrote in my lengthy and
adulatory Profile of Armstrong, Greg LeMond, America’s first Tour de France
champion (he won three times), put it well, if somewhat uncharitably, after
Armstrong won his third straight Tour, in 2001: “If Lance is clean, it is
the greatest comeback in the history of sport. If he isn’t, it would be the
greatest fraud.” But who could pull off a fraud like that? Armstrong was,
and remains, one of the only top cyclists never to be caught doping. He
almost certainly received more drug tests than any other athlete: he was
tested whenever he finished among the top three riders in a race (most days)
. In addition, representatives of the World Anti-Doping Agency would
periodically show up at his house in Austin, during the off season, with
vials he was forced to fill. He seemed perfectly justified in making a
famous (now infamous) Nike commercial ridiculing his detractors. (“
Everybody wants to know what I’m on. What am I on? I’m on my bike, busting
my ass six hours a day. What are you on?”)
I have already conceded that I was, perhaps, overly beguiled by Lance’s
excellence. And there is little left to do but lament what we have lost. It
’s worth pointing out that the enormity of his achievement, even with drugs
, can hardly be overstated. There has never been a more visible symbol in
American sports of a man who just won’t quit.
That is why I am so deeply appalled by his announcement yesterday that he
would no longer fight the charges against him. He said he was tired of the
fight. Tired? Really? Armstrong made it clear on several occasions he would
fight to the death. (My favorite Lance quote about pain, clearly applicable
to the accusations, is, “Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, or an
hour, or a day, or a year, but eventually it will subside and something else
will take its place. If I quit, however, it lasts forever.”)
Yes, quitting lasts forever. And he did not even have the decency to admit
his guilt. Oddly, two of my colleagues—both of whom had ridiculed me
mercilessly for supporting Lance—wrote to me today to say that they
actually felt sorry for the guy.
I do not. Lance Armstrong stood for something. He was a man who, despite the
hatred, the envy, and the odds, would never quit, would never concede. He
was the great American—a man of principle who also won. Now, I am afraid,
he is nothing. |
b*w
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 15
他被告说用药都多少年了，调查也多少次了，没完没了总有让人崩溃的时候。
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 他自己都怂了，显然心里有鬼
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 16
He was tested 500 times negative. The only thing showed up at one time was
corticosteroid but below the positive range. So no physical evidence.
"A 1999 urine sample showed traces of corticosteroid in an amount that was
not in the positive range. A medical certificate showed he used an approved
cream for saddle sores which contained the substance."
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
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: 他被告说用药都多少年了，调查也多少次了，没完没了总有让人崩溃的时候。
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s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 17 今天听NPR讲是间接证据，比如血液造假，并要求他对证，然后他自己耸了。 |
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 18
The bottom line is no physical evidence after 500 tests all the years. The
witnesses could say whatever they wanted out of all possible reasons, just
think about all the professionals and french journalists he pissed off by
winning 7 times Tour de France.
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 今天听NPR讲是间接证据，比如血液造假，并要求他对证，然后他自己耸了。
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s**u
发帖数: 1436 | 19 the bottom line是他一直在血液上造假，也就是说制造伪证，而且没有合理的解释。
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
:
: The bottom line is no physical evidence after 500 tests all the years. The
: witnesses could say whatever they wanted out of all possible reasons, just
: think about all the professionals and french journalists he pissed off by
: winning 7 times Tour de France.
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 20
But no one knows that for sure. The test results have been negative
everytime, even the times he was subjected to surprise sampling .
【在 s**u 的大作中提到】
: the bottom line是他一直在血液上造假，也就是说制造伪证，而且没有合理的解释。
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b*******s
发帖数: 3614 | 21 什么没有物证，已经拿到这厮2009和2010服药的证据了。 |
d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 22 Bin Laden 策划９１１有直接证据吗？
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
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: But no one knows that for sure. The test results have been negative
: everytime, even the times he was subjected to surprise sampling .
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C**o
发帖数: 10373 | 23 哪里？
【在 b*******s 的大作中提到】
: 什么没有物证，已经拿到这厮2009和2010服药的证据了。
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 24
USADA alleged it had collected blood samples from Armstrong in 2009 and 2010
that were “fully consistent with blood manipulation including EPO use and/
or blood transfusions.”
That is no proof of substance but their own analysis and conclusion based on
the blood cell patterns they established.
【在 b*******s 的大作中提到】
: 什么没有物证，已经拿到这厮2009和2010服药的证据了。
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 25
For proving doping, one needs proof of substance in the samples.
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: Bin Laden 策划９１１有直接证据吗？
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d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 26 你去替无数因为携带EPO被禁赛的喊冤去吧
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
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: For proving doping, one needs proof of substance in the samples.
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 27
He was not found carrying any thing.
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: 你去替无数因为携带EPO被禁赛的喊冤去吧
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d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 28 his evidence of doping is 100 times stronger than carrying
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
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: He was not found carrying any thing.
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 29
There has been no substance above the range found in his samples either.
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: his evidence of doping is 100 times stronger than carrying
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